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Then the dreams should be about the mark and not what this man is dreaming about? An American election..that anyone can see the outcome of a Trump win is people rioting. They are already rioting before he wins.

There’s nothing in the man’s dream that has anything to do with anything spiritual..or anything about God. I would think that that would be paramount to dreaming dreams. Or at least have a man who could interpret those dreams..like Joseph. And then it would all come back to God anyway..do these dreams about warning us Americans have anything to do with God? Besides God saying brace yourselves..brace yourselves for what and if they are from God shouldn’t it be about trusting God?
They are about trusting God. That’s been a theme the whole way through his dreams. They’re a call to prayer and a warning that tough times are ahead but to stay strong.

I don’t know why you’re getting so wound up with this. It’s obviously not for you, keep walking then.
 






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They are about trusting God. That’s been a theme the whole way through his dreams. They’re a call to prayer and a warning that tough times are ahead but to stay strong.

I don’t know why you’re getting so wound up with this. It’s obviously not for you, keep walking then.
I think we shouldn’t put too much stock in people dreaming dreams when scripture says it’s old men dreaming dreams. That apparently doesn’t matter only that this man is dreaming dreams? Where is anyone’s discernment? Or does that matter?

I feel the need to warn people not to believe everyone who says they dreamt a dream and it’s from God. When maybe it really isn’t. The first thing you do is go back to scripture and say does it line up with scripture and if it doesn’t..then someone should say something shouldn’t they?

What would be the point of God sending dreams to old men? I think that would be a better discussion.
 






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I think we shouldn’t put too much stock in people dreaming dreams when scripture says it’s old men dreaming dreams. That apparently doesn’t matter only that this man is dreaming dreams? Where is anyone’s discernment? Or does that matter?

I feel the need to warn people not to believe everyone who says they dreamt a dream and it’s from God. When maybe it really isn’t. The first thing you do is go back to scripture and say does it line up with scripture and if it doesn’t..then someone should say something shouldn’t they?

What would be the point of God sending dreams to old men? I think that would be a better discussion.
So you think this guy is lying?

In addition to everything else that’s going on, for me this is another confluence that we’re on the end straight...And at the end of the day if he’s fraudulent, all he’s done is cause more people to pray, which is good right?
 






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Then the dreams should be about the mark and not what this man is dreaming about? An American election..that anyone can see the outcome of a Trump win is people rioting. They are already rioting before he wins.

There’s nothing in the man’s dream that has anything to do with anything spiritual..or anything about God. I would think that that would be paramount to dreaming dreams. Or at least have a man who could interpret those dreams..like Joseph. And then it would all come back to God anyway..do these dreams about warning us Americans have anything to do with God? Besides God saying brace yourselves..brace yourselves for what and if they are from God shouldn’t it be about trusting God?
there is, its called the birth pangs.
 






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So you think this guy is lying?

In addition to everything else that’s going on, for me this is another confluence that we’re on the end straight...And at the end of the day if he’s fraudulent, all he’s done is cause more people to pray, which is good right?
I think that despite what he says..he’d like to believe that God is using him.

The ends justifies the means you mean?

If God has given this man dreams, and asked him to share. Do u think its ur job to cast doubt on them?
I think its my job to keep to the faith..not be blinded by what someone thinks God told him. He could be wrong about this...and its not a bad thing to question it...especially when scripture says old men dream dreams. Right? Or is it close enough that he’s a man and he says he’s dreamt these dreams? Do you also believe the things that Rick Warren says? He’s a pastor..God called him? Or how about Joel Osteen..he thinks God called him too..should we question the things he says or just follow along? So..how is this guy any different than that?

there is, its called the birth pangs.
God’s already revealed what those birth pangs are...and I didn’t see America specifically in that.
 






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I think that despite what he says..he’d like to believe that God is using him.

The ends justifies the means you mean?


I think its my job to keep to the faith..not be blinded by what someone thinks God told him. He could be wrong about this...and its not a bad thing to question it...especially when scripture says old men dream dreams. Right? Or is it close enough that he’s a man and he says he’s dreamt these dreams? Do you also believe the things that Rick Warren says? He’s a pastor..God called him? Or how about Joel Osteen..he thinks God called him too..should we question the things he says or just follow along? So..how is this guy any different than that?


God’s already revealed what those birth pangs are...and I didn’t see America specifically in that.
So if the Bible says, there will be famines, pestilences, and nation shall rise against nation. And God says people will have dreams in the last days, and visions.

Then a man, has a dream about these things happening in his nation - apparently thats not in the Bible? because its about America, what ur saying doesnt really make sense.
 






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So if the Bible says, there will be famines, pestilences, and nation shall rise against nation. And God says people will have dreams in the last days, and visions.

Then a man, has a dream about these things happening in his nation - apparently thats not in the Bible? because its about America, what ur saying doesnt really make sense.
No..God actually says old men will dream dreams...not people will have dreams. This man isn’t claiming to have had visions..but its his dreams. I think its ok to question his dreams then don’t you?

Is America in the Bible? I’ll wait while you get the verses that talk about America...and they will need the word America in them wouldn’t they? Or is God more interested in the apple of His eye, Israel? After all they hold His city, Jerusalem.

It’s only our fears that say this election is something special in the eyes of God and in prophecy. What if its not all that pertinent in the great scheme of things?
 






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No..God actually says old men will dream dreams...not people will have dreams. This man isn’t claiming to have had visions..but its his dreams. I think its ok to question his dreams then don’t you?

Is America in the Bible? I’ll wait while you get the verses that talk about America...and they will need the word America in them wouldn’t they? Or is God more interested in the apple of His eye, Israel? After all they hold His city, Jerusalem.

It’s only our fears that say this election is something special in the eyes of God and in prophecy. What if its not all that pertinent in the great scheme of things?
america could be mystery babylon, plus not every kingdom is mentioned by name, plus hes pretty old, bald and grey. I think ur reaching with why to doubt, think u probably just dont like his message.
 






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america could be mystery babylon, plus not every kingdom is mentioned by name, plus hes pretty old, bald and grey. I think ur reaching with why to doubt, think u probably just dont like his message.
No man he’s not old at all..middle aged. This is old..

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Anyone’s message needs to stand up to scrutiny don’t ya think and if it can’t..
 






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No man he’s not old at all..middle aged. This is old..

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Anyone’s message needs to stand up to scrutiny don’t ya think and if it can’t..
what is it about his message that is unbiblical, he should only be dreaming about israel?, thats zionism on steroids.

Old is subjective just as time is. U couldnt say he was young could u? this is pedantic, I dont think God was being so scrupulous in the phrasing. He says the old and young, does that mean he left out middle aged, or does he mean those who fall on one side of the other because we all do.

Im 29, im classed as young to an oap.

old men
πρεσβύτεροι (presbyteroi)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural - Comparative
Strong's Greek 4245: Comparative of presbus; older; as noun, a senior; specially, an Israelite Sanhedrist or Christian 'presbyter'.

Your literalism is getting in the way, and I dont think thats from the holy spirit tbh.

We are literally debating the word old, because u dont like the guys message, u really dont have much to stand on here do you?
 






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Just to add to this, this isnt a singular dream of his either, there are MANY other people having similar dreams. its kinda crazy almost like the truth is running through the true believers so u know its from God because hes not sending conflicting messages to these individuals more evidence of truth.
 






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what is it about his message that is unbiblical, he should only be dreaming about israel?, thats zionism on steroids.

Old is subjective just as time is. U couldnt say he was young could u? this is pedantic, I dont think God was being so scrupulous in the phrasing. He says the old and young, does that mean he left out middle aged, or does he mean those who fall on one side of the other because we all do.

Im 29, im classed as young to an oap.

old men
πρεσβύτεροι (presbyteroi)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural - Comparative
Strong's Greek 4245: Comparative of presbus; older; as noun, a senior; specially, an Israelite Sanhedrist or Christian 'presbyter'.

Your literalism is getting in the way, and I dont think thats from the holy spirit tbh.

We are literally debating the word old, because u dont like the guys message, u really dont have much to stand on here do you?
Satan can do all sorts of signs and wonders too.

That’s just the thing...God didn’t tell us what those dreams are gonna be about and I don’t think it’s bad to question what they could be about and if someone is really dreaming a dream or not.

I suppose at 29 he does looks ancient haha! But he’s not whatsoever...and I would argue that he doesn’t look old to me. The young have visions..of he said he had visions possibly. Men can go gray at a young age and bald and flabby then too. He definitely doesn’t count as old to me.

Pedantic? God said your old men will dream dreams..why should I think it would be a younger man then? Was God lying about the old man thing do ya think?

Wouldn’t the Holy Spirit want you to be in the truth? Does God want you to believe in lies? What is wrong with being discerning? What’s wrong with questioning and holding up the Bible as the plumb line for truth. God inspired the Word and if he says old men then He must mean old men.
 






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We have to be careful as Christians and know how God communicates with prophets, what kind of messages God gives them to share with His people and if those messages harmonise with the Bible. Why do we have to be careful? Because there are false prophets out there and the Bible warns us about them.

Matthew 24:24, "For false christs and false prophets will rise and will show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

1 John 4:1, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."


False prophets claim to have dreams and to see visions, so the Bible must provide criteria whereby the authenticity of the prophets' statements may be tested.

1Thessalonians 5:20-21, "Do not despise prophecies, test all things; hold fast what is good."

The Bible lists a series of tests that can be applied to prophets to determine whether they are genuine or not. Many of these tests can be individually counterfeited, but collectively, they provide an impassable barrier to false prophets. False prophets can quote Scripture or have some of their prophecies come true, but they can still be false prophets—subtly using every opportunity to lead God's people astray.

1. A true prophet's message will be in complete harmony with the word of God and the law of God.

Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


Most modern-day prophets would fail this test. A prophet cannot negate what God has revealed in His Word, and all the precepts of the law are binding (James 2:10). When the law is not observed, the gift of prophecy is withdrawn (Lamentations 2:9).

2. Biblically God speaks to prophets in three different ways. He speaks to them in visions, dreams, or face to face.

Numbers 12:6, 8 says, “If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. ... I speak with him face to face”

3. Prophets do not express their own private opinions in spiritual matters.
Their thoughts come from Jesus, through the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 1:21 says, “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

4. Prophecies must come to pass.


Deuteronomy 18:22, "...when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him"

Jeremiah 28:9, “As for the prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one whom the LORD has truly sent.”

A word of warning: A prophet's predictions may occur, and may even be accompanied by miracles. But if they do not pass the other tests, the prophet is still false.

5. When a prophet is in vision they will exhibit physical signs.

In vision, the prophet's eyes will be open.

Numbers 24:4, "The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open."

Daniel 10 describes the physical state of the prophet Daniel while in vision.

Daniel 10:7-9, "And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me; for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words; and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face to the ground."


Daniel had "no strength," and he must have fallen to the ground as he lay with his "face to the ground." The prophet does not, however, remain in this helpless state on the ground, but he is lifted up by God, and while still in vision, stands up on his feet (Daniel 10:10-11).

In vision, the prophet will have no breath in him, and no strength.

Daniel 10:16-17, "And suddenly one having the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, My Lord, because of the vision, my sorrows have overwhelmed me, and I have retained no strength. For how can this servant of my Lord talk with you my Lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me. Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me."


No mention is made of the restoration of breathing while in vision. The prophet is sustained by God while in vision. In summary, a prophet in vision shows these signs:

i) Falls down weak

ii) Is raised up and strengthened by God

iii) Has the eyes wide open during the vision

iv) Does not breath, even when speaking

6. A true prophet’s main purpose is to serve the church.

1 Corinthians 14:22, "Prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.”

Although a prophet’s message may sometimes edify the public, the primary purpose of prophecy is to serve the church. They will exhort the church to a higher standard, and will exemplify God's principles in their own lives. False prophets, such as 16th-century seer Nostradamus, do not live according to God's Word and do not build up the Church with their prophecies.

7. The true prophet will bear good fruit.

Matthew 7:20, "Therefore by their fruits you will know them."


This test is compelling. Does the prophet live a life in harmony with the will of God and are the lives of those touched transformed so that they too live godly lives? Once again, a word of warning: No one is without sin, and all fall short of the glory of God.

James 5:17, "Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months."

Although Elijah had faults and passions just like us, he strove to live a godly life and the fruits of his labor testify that he was truly a prophet of God.

8. A true prophet will exalt Christ as the Son of God and the Saviour of humankind.

1 John 4:12,15, "No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us...Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God."


After His resurrection, Jesus expounded the Scriptures to His disciples, revealing to them the prophetic proclamations regarding Himself (Luke 24:27).

Again a word of warning regarding this test. Many false prophets will say to Jesus in the last judgment, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works" (Matthew 7:22)?

The Lord will not recognize them as His, as they practised iniquity. They seem to pass the test, but fail in regard to the law.

9. The true prophet will speak with authority (Matthew 7:29).

Jesus is the supreme example, and He spoke those things which He had seen and heard from the Father (John 8:26,28,38). A prophet will likewise reveal those things with authority that have been revealed to him by God.


These signs cannot be readily counterfeited. In fact, modern so-called visionaries tend to fall down with their eyes closed, and they have breath in them, because only God can sustain life without breath.
 






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"Don't get attached to what I say, don't get attached to any doctrine, to what I preach; don't get attached to my personality. These are all just fingers pointing to the moon. Forget me, don't start worshiping me; just look at the moon. And once you have looked at the moon, I don't matter at all." -- Buddha
 






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"Don't get attached to what I say, don't get attached to any doctrine, to what I preach; don't get attached to my personality. These are all just fingers pointing to the moon. Forget me, don't start worshiping me; just look at the moon. And once you have looked at the moon, I don't matter at all." -- Buddha
What does that have to do with end time Biblical prophecy?

Maybe you are looking for this thread?
 






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What does that have to do with end time Biblical prophecy?

Maybe you are looking for this thread?
These aren't just the "end times"; it's the end of Time itself. You are God Dreaming This. No need to fear Oneness. It's inevitable.
 






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"Don't get attached to what I say, don't get attached to any doctrine, to what I preach; don't get attached to my personality. These are all just fingers pointing to the moon. Forget me, don't start worshiping me; just look at the moon. And once you have looked at the moon, I don't matter at all." -- Buddha
such wisdom for these troubled times, really gives me hope, i can look at the moon and all my troubles just go away!
 






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