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If we are in a spiritual dark age, how come that's not the fault of the church?

I mean I get that you all have a perfect scapegoat in Satan. I just don't get why people can't recognize that they are merely shifting the blame from living people, to a constructed idea. It just seems like there's no need to actually hold people accountable when you lean on your faith so heavily.

BTW I'm not saying hey, it's all the Church's fault. I'm just saying that the logical conclusion to these arguments is that Churches of the world just haven't done a good enough job spreading the word. They aren't reaching out to people and trying to get them interested. And I don't think it has anything to do with their faith.

Faith is not synonymous with maturity. It's simple ego showing through in every Church in America. In such an example a Church is thus transformed into nothing more than a clique of high school level mentalities. Plus Plato's Cave comes to mind here too. People spend so much time in the same church or faith you don't know what else is even out there.
The Church’s refusal to evolve in a modern world and cling to literal interpretation is the main reason for a decline in western Christianity. Followed by abuse and corruption scandals (not just Catholics either) and episodes of hypocrisy ( Ted Haggard ) plus a bullshit political agenda.

Think about it, the only time religion makes the news is for something bad like abuse or corruption, or on the wrong side of a social issue like the Teri Schiavo case.
 





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The Church’s refusal to evolve in a modern world and cling to literal interpretation is the main reason for a decline in western Christianity. Followed by abuse and corruption scandals (not just Catholics either) and episodes of hypocrisy ( Ted Haggard ) plus a bullshit political agenda.

Think about it, the only time religion makes the news is for something bad like abuse or corruption, or on the wrong side of a social issue like the Teri Schiavo case.
Well, that's one way to put it. But what I find most interesting is watching the religious folks basically channeling Socrates. Like all the critiques and observations about people and society are the same things Socrates observed and critiqued over 2,000 years ago.

The difference of course being, Socrates was actually wise. Most of these people out here aren't. In fact, Socrates would roll over in his grave upon hearing people say knowledge is bad. Because for him, knowledge was one of the few good things on Earth. Anything less than being knowledgeable is just straight up ignorance.

Now I'm just trying to imagine a world where Adam and Eve choose ignorance. And its as if the Religious folks would have preferred Eve not take the apple. Well, I love her for digging in on that apple. I would, in fact, love to go back in time and eat that apple with her. With a big ass smile on my face.
 





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Well, that's one way to put it. But what I find most interesting is watching the religious folks basically channeling Socrates. Like all the critiques and observations about people and society are the same things Socrates observed and critiqued over 2,000 years ago.

The difference of course being, Socrates was actually wise. Most of these people out here aren't. In fact, Socrates would roll over in his grave upon hearing people say knowledge is bad. Because for him, knowledge was one of the few good things on Earth. Anything less than being knowledgeable is just straight up ignorance.

Now I'm just trying to imagine a world where Adam and Eve choose ignorance. And its as if the Religious folks would have preferred Eve not take the apple. Well, I love her for digging in on that apple. I would, in fact, love to go back in time and eat that apple with her. With a big ass smile on my face.

Knowledge is an expression of faith. That it is regarded as an evil is a heresy. Nothing in science has disproved “God” just changed our human perceptions of God.

The apple and the subsequent fall of man is just a metaphor for human evolution from the instinctual beast to the self-aware human. The knowledge of Good and evil is that we are basically the only species that can choose not to kill.
 





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Now I'm just trying to imagine a world where Adam and Eve choose ignorance. And its as if the Religious folks would have preferred Eve not take the apple. Well, I love her for digging in on that apple. I would, in fact, love to go back in time and eat that apple with her. With a big ass smile on my face.
She had knowledge but she didn't know good from evil. So don't try to twist this story as if the serpent saved her from a life of ignorance.
 





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She had knowledge but she didn't know good from evil. So don't try to twist this story as if the serpent saved her from a life of ignorance.
As an analogy, it puts me in mind of a low life working away on a recently married friend at a bar and trying to sell the line that he can only really understand faithfulness by having an affair. You can imagine after a few drinks it might seem like a persuasive line, but it is still a bare faced lie.
 





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As an analogy, it puts me in mind of a low life working away on a recently married friend at a bar and trying to sell the line that he can only really understand faithfulness by having an affair. You can imagine after a few drinks it might seem like a persuasive line, but it is still a bare faced lie.
Right it's a lie and that's how sin entered the human line. Innocence lost because of the knowledge of good and evil.

So it's a sin to not do good and a sin to do evil.

And that is why we need and have a Saviour... whom we can trust to help heal guide and save us from ourselves really.
 





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I thought faith was defined as belief despite a lack of knowledge. If you truly know something then you don’t believe it on faith, it’s just a fact.

You are correct and I should have stated that the pursuit of knowledge is an expression of faith or that to seek God is to seek knowledge. A faith system demanding ignorance is not a faith but spiritual slavery.
 





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The parable of the Wheat and the Tares is an End Times allegory...

Both types of people will exist right up till harvest time. Sometimes it will be hard to distinguish between the two. Sometimes people who are "Tares" will pretend to be "Wheat".

Matthew 13:24-30 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

Here is the test:-

At harvest time, the Wheat bows down, and the Tares stand up straight and proud. Given the parable above, I think it's clear our choices matter.

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She had knowledge but she didn't know good from evil. So don't try to twist this story as if the serpent saved her from a life of ignorance.
I was listening to Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel today and he said that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents "what's in it for me?" In other words, knowledge to better oneself or to be self-centered, even lustful. Found that to be an interesting take on it.

Also, when Adam and Eve saw that they were naked, shame entered in. They felt shame. Before, when everything was fine and peaceful, they didn't care that they were naked. They didn't even know what naked was. That's another part of the story that shame was now introduced to God's first two people. He didn't want them to know shame. Wouldn't the world be better off without shame? Just a thought.
 





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Amongst all the talk, events on the world stage continue mirror the state the world would be in before the time of "Jacob's Trouble"*


*for those who open their eyes...
 





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I was listening to Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel today and he said that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents "what's in it for me?" In other words, knowledge to better oneself or to be self-centered, even lustful. Found that to be an interesting take on it.

Also, when Adam and Eve saw that they were naked, shame entered in. They felt shame. Before, when everything was fine and peaceful, they didn't care that they were naked. They didn't even know what naked was. That's another part of the story that shame was now introduced to God's first two people. He didn't want them to know shame. Wouldn't the world be better off without shame? Just a thought.
That is an interesting take on it
My belief is that humans weren’t meant to have the consciousness we have and that’s all down to defying god and eating the fruit of the tree of good and evil.
Now we are locked in a constant struggle between the primal knowledge we were meant to have and the advanced intelligence we weren’t.
So now because we know what’s right and wrong we are accountable for it, and thus need to restrain from acts that feel so natural to us (lusting etc) and discipline ourselves to follow the word of God and refrain from acting apon it so we can eternally live and not surely die in other words damned
 





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I was listening to Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel today and he said that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents "what's in it for me?" In other words, knowledge to better oneself or to be self-centered, even lustful. Found that to be an interesting take on it.

Also, when Adam and Eve saw that they were naked, shame entered in. They felt shame. Before, when everything was fine and peaceful, they didn't care that they were naked. They didn't even know what naked was. That's another part of the story that shame was now introduced to God's first two people. He didn't want them to know shame. Wouldn't the world be better off without shame? Just a thought.
I imagine Adam and Eve as two grown ups with the innocence of little children who suddenly grew up.
 





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Christian blog which helps me to be up to date with current events spending just few minutes per day, awesome work she is doing. Mainly focused on US and Israel.

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This is good, @Vytas . Thanks! Like the article linked mentioning Isaiah 30 (The Great Apostasy one). Heard a friend speak on Isaiah 30 in my late-20s and it woke me up to all the stuff I was doing, thinking I had God's blessing on it, but it was really to make me feel significant and not really looking to the source of significance, God/YHVH. It woke me up or started a process of waking me up and convicted another friend, but my friend appeared to do nothing about it. There's a lot we can do in our own strength and power, but if it's not in His power, then what good really is it?
 





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Great article it has a sense of urgency to it. Some things makes as feeling uncomfortable, force us to examine our motivations. That can be so unpleasant. Price to achieve spiritual maturity is high.
In my own strength and power I can't do shit, can't even resist sin. Either we do it His way leaning humbleness and trust in process and building relationship with Him. Or we are going to the wrong direction, that simple.
 





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Great article it has a sense of urgency to it. Some things makes as feeling uncomfortable, force us to examine our motivations. That can be so unpleasant. Price to achieve spiritual maturity is high.
In my own strength and power I can't do shit, can't even resist sin. Either we do it His way leaning humbleness and trust in process and building relationship with Him. Or we are going to the wrong direction, that simple.
So true. Yet in my competence and perfectionism, I give myself way too much credit sometimes. Like competence isn't also from Him. Oh, how He loves us. He knows how stubborn we can be and loves us in spite of us. :)
 





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Something just struck me though: What if when Macron gets to back down (there are rumours of a reelection now) they put in the antichrist? He is said to bring peace at first so if these protests spread worldwide, and he is put in and it stops.. He'll look like the greatest guy ever. Thats one hell of a start.