END TIMES - A thread for all christians

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To be honest I don’t care about eschatology at all, whatever is going to happen is going to and is beyond my control, so why worry about it?
A long time ago I was determined to understand eschatology. I studied and read and prayed and studied and read and prayed even more and still couldn't make sense of it. I would read a book on one theory and think it sounded convincing, then would read another that was totally contradictory and think that made sense also. I tried putting the pieces together myself, but unfortunately it was difficult to lay aside the theories I had already studied and would continually catch myself reading them into the Bible passages I was trying to study. I knew they all couldn't be right. The final conclusion I came to is that they are all most likely wrong.

When you look back at all the prophecy in the OT no one ever used it to predict what would happen in the future. Prophecy is never understood until after it is fulfilled. The whole nation of Israel missed the coming of their Messiah because when he came it didn't look at all like they were expecting it to. When Daniel propehesied about the coming kingdoms, no one beforehand was able to read his prophecies and predict the actual nations that fulfilled his prophecy. In fact the book of Daniel was classified in the lesser writings as non-prophetic until it was proven, after the fact by history, that his prochecies had been fulfilled.

It is important to know what the Bible says about the last days, so as the events unfold we can recognize them for what they are and not be fooled into believing a delusion or follow a false messiah figure. I think that is why pre-tribulation rapture theory is so dangerous (never-mind it is pretty easy to see it's not biblical). What is going to happen to the faith of those who are convinced of the pre-trib rapture and they find themselves in the midst of presectuion and they are considered outlaws for believing the gospel? I have feeling if you surveyed the thoughts of Christians in countries where they are truly presectuted for believing the gospel, very few of them would believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because they are already living in their own tribulation. God help most of the Christians in America if they ever had to experience true persecution. I doubt most of them would last very long, before abandoning their faith.

Knowing what the Bible says about the last days is much different than thinking we can know or predict how it is going to happen. As soon as someone thinks they can predict what is going to happen, that is when I stop listening.

I now consider myself a "Pan-millenialist" I.e. it's all going to pan out in the end.

The only reason I think that the end might be somewhat near is becuase of the pattern that a day is as a thousand years. We are about 6000 years into the history of man as recorded by the Bible. It would make sense that the week of human history might be near the end. Man given six days (6000 years) to prove what he is not capable of and Christ showing up on the last day (last 1000 years) to show what God is capable of (the millenial reign). But even that is just a theory and I could be totally wrong about it.

Christ did say to watch and be ready to read the signs. He also said that, to the unbeliever, his return would come like a thief in the night. So I do believe that when his return is imminent, the expectation amongst the true believers will be something much different than the rampant speculation that is prevelant now. Speculation and a longing for Christ's return is different than the true witness of the Spirit showing us the signs that Christ's return is imminent. Speculation and longing have existed since the first century, so that can't be the true witness of the Spirit.
 





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..Maybe if you make your post a bit less complicated and hard to grasp I can reply..?
Maybe you should take some responsibility. I think the reason what I said was difficult for you to understand was because you really did think you were quoting something from the Bible and this is demonstrated by how you seemed offended by the responses. You really did think the Bible says that there will be protests everywhere so you decided this was evidence of some kind of persecution when someone pointed this out, which means you know just enough of the Bible to be superstitious. This is demonstrated by how you act persecuted for it. I’m sorry but you are not a victim and you are not experiencing anything like what the disciples did in the books of acts. Stop acting like a victim and be a little more disciplined in your bible study.

You did have two ways you could go with what you are trying to say. You could try to defend that what you were saying was supported by scripture or you could post an actual verse that is in the Bible, but you can’t pretend that a verse exists when it doesn’t and then try to act like you are being persecuted for it.

It would probably have been good to look up the verse I quoted from Matthew 24 because that whole chapter is about the end times instead of trying to defend the mistake you made with the first verse you found that you thought was capable of doing this, which was clearly an afterthought.

I do think you confused what you were saying with the verse about wars and rumors of wars which is why you originally put quotations on what you said. It might be good to read this chapter in context because it says that we should not be alarmed by wars and rumors of wars as though they were something strange.

If you want to try to present the impression that you study the Bible, you’re going to have to demonstrate making a little effort. I don’t really find the verses you used to justify your mistake very convincing especially since they are not specific.

Are the protestors without self control and brutal or the cause they are protesting? You need to be more specific, which will require time and patience. So next time, take some responsibility and check what you said for errors first before you go trying to make another false claim that you are being rejected for preaching the “gospel truth” That isn’t actually in the gospel.
 





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Yeah I agree with you there, many have thought it was the end before. During my 41 years of life though, I have never seen a world as it is now and spiralling downwards so fast either. I'm not scared . I long for the end, it'll be a liberation I have been waiting on for decades.

Did you see the french riots btw? I feel bad for them bc they set their own territory on fire when they should have directed it towards the ones behind it; the globalists. But finding them in their bunkers is an impossible task so one understands them. The anger needs to come out somewhere.
I mean idk, the world sucks but is it really worse than living during the Middle Ages with rampant disease and constant war? Even in Europe during the World Wars I’m sure it felt like the end. People like to glamorize the past but to be honest it wasn’t better and in many ways we have progressed. Just a few hundred years ago Vixy you as a woman would be considered property. Think about it.


Yeah I’m following the riots, I’ve made some replies in Red Sky’s thread.

Anyway I hope you feel better and what not.
 





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A long time ago I was determined to understand eschatology. I studied and read and prayed and studied and read and prayed even more and still couldn't make sense of it. I would read a book on one theory and think it sounded convincing, then would read another that was totally contradictory and think that made sense also. I tried putting the pieces together myself, but unfortunately it was difficult to lay aside the theories I had already studied and would continually catch myself reading them into the Bible passages I was trying to study. I knew they all couldn't be right. The final conclusion I came to is that they are all most likely wrong.

When you look back at all the prophecy in the OT no one ever used it to predict what would happen in the future. Prophecy is never understood until after it is fulfilled. The whole nation of Israel missed the coming of their Messiah because when he came it didn't look at all like they were expecting it to. When Daniel propehesied about the coming kingdoms, no one beforehand was able to read his prophecies and predict the actual nations that fulfilled his prophecy. In fact the book of Daniel was classified in the lesser writings as non-prophetic until it was proven, after the fact by history, that his prochecies had been fulfilled.

It is important to know what the Bible says about the last days, so as the events unfold we can recognize them for what they are and not be fooled into believing a delusion or follow a false messiah figure. I think that is why pre-tribulation rapture theory is so dangerous (never-mind it is pretty easy to see it's not biblical). What is going to happen to the faith of those who are convinced of the pre-trib rapture and they find themselves in the midst of presectuion and they are considered outlaws for believing the gospel? I have feeling if you surveyed the thoughts of Christians in countries where they are truly presectuted for believing the gospel, very few of them would believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because they are already living in their own tribulation. God help most of the Christians in America if they ever had to experience true persecution. I doubt most of them would last very long, before abandoning their faith.

Knowing what the Bible says about the last days is much different than thinking we can know or predict how it is going to happen. As soon as someone thinks they can predict what is going to happen, that is when I stop listening.

I now consider myself a "Pan-millenialist" I.e. it's all going to pan out in the end.

The only reason I think that the end might be somewhat near is becuase of the pattern that a day is as a thousand years. We are about 6000 years into the history of man as recorded by the Bible. It would make sense that the week of human history might be near the end. Man given six days (6000 years) to prove what he is not capable of and Christ showing up on the last day (last 1000 years) to show what God is capable of (the millenial reign). But even that is just a theory and I could be totally wrong about it.

Christ did say to watch and be ready to read the signs. He also said that, to the unbeliever, his return would come like a thief in the night. So I do believe that when his return is imminent, the expectation amongst the true believers will be something much different than the rampant speculation that is prevelant now. Speculation and a longing for Christ's return is different than the true witness of the Spirit showing us the signs that Christ's return is imminent. Speculation and longing have existed since the first century, so that can't be the true witness of the Spirit.

As always Todd I appreciate your replies and posts here.

However, personally I do not believe the earth is 6k years old and I lean towards Revelation being a coded symbolic letter written in times of persecution. ( 666 being Nero Caesar for example) However I do agree with you that it’s good to know the different theories, just in case.

We should definitely pray for Christians who do face genuine persecution in Africa and the Middle East, and I always get a little upset when Western Christians complain about how they are being persecuted. We should pray for all oppressed peoples and not just Christians too.
 





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As always Todd I appreciate your replies and posts here.
Be careful, you might be accused of being my sock account!

However, personally I do not believe the earth is 6k years old and I lean towards Revelation being a coded symbolic letter written in times of persecution. ( 666 being Nero Caesar for example) However I do agree with you that it’s good to know the different theories, just in case.
Just to clarify, I don't believe the earth is 6K years old. I simply stated that recorded history of man in the bible is about 6000 years. I have not subscribed to young earth creation for many years now.

We should definitely pray for Christians who do face genuine persecution in Africa and the Middle East, and I always get a little upset when Western Christians complain about how they are being persecuted. We should pray for all oppressed peoples and not just Christians too.
Agreed!
 





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Do you guys know why I think it's the end times? Because of Geoengineering! The number of earthquakes, floods, droughts and other natural disasters have never in the history of man beeen as now. Its so obviously unnatural and manmade and its also obvious the ones doing it dont care about the planet or other humans at all. Theyre using us as guinea pigs, giving us all kinds of diseases due to the aluminum and other chemicals in the chemtrails and are wathcing us get sick in everything from alzheimers, autism, ADHD and what not..

Theres a passage in the bible about "those who destroys the planet" and what god will do to them. Wont wanna be in their shoes when it happens.
 





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One thought I have entertained though is that Red Algae blooms could be



Revelation 16:3-5 (NIV)

“3 The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died

The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5 Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
you who are and who were;”
 





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Thats God's wrath we won't see any of that.
Even the elect or chosen 12 000 from all the tribes of Israel who are the only ones sealed and protected by God will be around and watch God's wrath.

The saints or those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and obey the commandments of God will be persecuted.

And that might offend you and make you fall away from the faith.


God is not going to snatch anybody out of here and have a marriage supper in Heaven while His wrath is poured upon the earth. That is prescribed to the last trump.

This man made preacher talk about a rapture of Christians before the great tribulation is just the excuse the authorities will use when Christians are rounded up and put in unfun camps when the grid goes down.

Where are the Christians ? They were raptured... not really they are in concentration camps.
 





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This man made preacher talk about a rapture of Christians before the great tribulation is just the excuse the authorities will use when Christians are rounded up and put in unfun camps when the grid goes down.

Where are the Christians ? They were raptured... not really they are in concentration camps.
LOL!
I agree that pre-trib rapture is not biblical, but that has to be one of the stupidest theories I have heard.
 





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Even the elect or chosen 12 000 from all the tribes of Israel who are the only ones sealed and protected by God will be around and watch God's wrath.

The saints or those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and obey the commandments of God will be persecuted.

And that might offend you and make you fall away from the faith.


God is not going to snatch anybody out of here and have a marriage supper in Heaven while His wrath is poured upon the earth. That is prescribed to the last trump.

This man made preacher talk about a rapture of Christians before the great tribulation is just the excuse the authorities will use when Christians are rounded up and put in unfun camps when the grid goes down.

Where are the Christians ? They were raptured... not really they are in concentration camps.
So we have pretrib, mid trib, pre wrath theories...And tokiel theory :D Delusion of grandeur
 





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When the BBC starts promoting RFID bio-hacking, you know we're pretty close...

Wow. The Utah man is bat crazy. He should go enjoy the mountains and natural parks and not mess with himself. Permanent earphones?

Keto. Ugh. It doesn't allow for enough healthy carbohydrates like vegetables. 20g of carbs a day is not much. No fruit whatsoever or very sparingly. I thought about trying it though, but it sounds dangerously unhealthy.

Wow. Everyone is bat crazy in this video.