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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
I have visiond the same thing many times.
 





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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
 





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So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again. It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance. And when we call upon the name of the Lord, he regenerates us with the Holy Spirit. Going to Church, tithing, giving to the poor has nothing to do to do to be acceptable to God, but rather, regeneration causes us to do those things through His Spirit that pleases God. Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. It is the only true peace in this life that is in Christ Jesus.
 





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That is because many people are "almost Christians". https://www.truthaccordingtoscriptu.../whitefield-almost-christian.php#.XGCtlxJ_VxA
In modern talk: think like, act like, behave like, even feel like they are Christians- but true transforming heart change through faith in Jesus Christ has not occurred.
God knows our heart.
So most good church going people don't have enough faith in Jesus Christ and that's why they will be left behind ?

And only God knows who has passed that threshold of enough faith for being worthy of rapture ?
 





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If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again.

I'm asking because i want to know your position on this topic.

It was said that good church going people will be left behind... and so i wanted to know who you think will go up.

And one answer was faith in Jesus Christ... but isn't that why people go to church... because they have faith in Jesus Christ ?

Therefore there is no reason based on that answer to exclude good church going people from the rapture.

Perhaps they just didn't have strong enough faith... some almost but not enough ?


It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance.
Repentance is turning from evil towards good... it's regretting the wrong we've done.


Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins?
I am the Lord's spokesperson.

How about that Dawg ?
 





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"There is a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come - the readiness is all."
~Hamlet
Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture:

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
 





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Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture.

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken: - Jesus
I'm fairly familiar with Shakespeare and Bacon (New Atlantis etc) -

What always struck me about the particular quote was the "readiness" aspect...

Are we ready if we were to die tomorrow or should the Rapture were to take place one day soon?

And are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus if we suddenly face tribulation and have to choose?
 





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I'm fairly familiar with Shakespeare and Bacon (New Atlantis etc) -

What always struck me about the particular quote was the "readiness" aspect...

Are we ready if we were to die tomorrow or should the Rapture were to take place one day soon?

And are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus if we suddenly face tribulation and have to choose?
Understood and agreed.
 





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She was given a vision by either God or the Devil.

If she was a true Christian she was given the vision by God... which would mean the vision must come to pass.

Now God promised nuclear war in Zechariah 5.
Zechariah 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
 





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Zechariah 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
The dimensions of a submarine launched ballistic missile.


3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
This nuclear war is a curse from God to cut off thieves and perjurers.


4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
God will see to it that the nuclear war will happen.

And it will consume both timber and stone and leave a residue (read radioactivity) of the houses of thieves and perjurers.


5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
From the ballistic missile a nuclear warhead goes forth... it's a container measuring about 10 gallons. And they are all like this throughout the earth.


7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
A circle or sphere of lead read uranium/plutonium is shown within this container and this is not ish/woman but esh/fire... wicked fire !


9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
The two stages of a ballistic missile rising into the sky with fire lifting up the nuclear warhead.


10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
The prophet saw the launch of a ballistic missile and asked where was it going ? And the prophetic angelic answer was that a base will be built for it in Babylon.
 





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Why am i not surprised that nobody can read and understand Zechariah 5 ?
If you took it within the context of Scripture and stopped placing your own interpretation onto it, maybe others would think as you do. Or not. Everything seems to be a matter of interpretation these days.
 





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If you took it within the context of Scripture and stopped placing your own interpretation onto it, maybe others would think as you do. Or not. Everything seems to be a matter of interpretation these days.
Yes the Pharisees know best of course.

They are all in agreement.

Jesus was just one... He never stood a chance.L0L
 





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My dear TokiEl, you are reading stuff (nuclear missiles) into a Hebrew text before said missiles were even invented. Could it be nuclear missiles? Is there any evidence for such in the whole entire context of the book of Zechariah? Does it even matter?

I once attended a book group with a man who said Ezekiel chapters 1-3 was about a UFO visitation and that he himself was God. His nickname was Goatman. So I asked him, "Goatman, what if i wanted to be God, too?" He then said everyone was God. I think spending so much time with goats affected his brain.

Please accurately handle the Bible.

Sincerely,

Dalit
 





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My dear TokiEl, you are reading stuff (nuclear missiles) into a Hebrew text before said missiles were even invented.
But the Bible is a prophetic book... prophets being shown visions and given words to speak on behalf of God... who might have known about nuclear missiles before they were even invented.


Please accurately handle the Bible.
What if i am ?