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Vixy’s post on the Masons reminded me of something.

We moved to our little town 13 years ago. We started attending the First Baptist Church soon after. I started learning that it was known as a “pastor eating church,” meaning pastors did not stay long. I remember a wall of photos of pastors who had been there. There were many and they had short stints at this church, like 1-3 years. This was the oldest church in this town and had been here since the late 1800s. We stayed there only a short time. After we left there was a church split that was UGLY!! It was because the old guard didn’t like the pastor. Not surprising.

About 10 years ago I was more charismatic than I am now. A friend and I had been learning about researching the spiritual history of a town and praying over it. I went to that church which is in the old downtown area, half a block from the Masonic lodge. As I read the historic plaques, I learned that the Masons used to meet in the basement of that church in the early 1900s and before!! There were also many of the church leaders who were Masons in the past. We were pretty gobsmacked over that, particularly the church allowing the Masons to meet in the basement. I guess people were less informed about the Masons back then. She and I stood there and prayed over that church and over our town and prayed that there would no longer be spiritual ties there being the Masons, that the Lord would break those ties, etc. I can’t remember all we prayed. We prayed much more. I probably wouldn’t pray that same way now.

That church is changed now. There is a pastor who came in within a year after. He has been there and he is loved by the congregation. It has grown and the Word is preached there. I would imagine many people were praying for that church and not just us. But I think that church’s ties to the Masons was spiritually detrimental.
 





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What struck me was that the people were seeing something so terrible that once they had set eyes on it, death would be preferable.

Those who are unsaved will not be protected from Satan and his demons when they are thrown down in "great wrath, knowing their time is short". Mens hearts will fail them with fear over those things coming upon the earth. The worst part is that everyone has "heard it all before" and most will ignore the warnings till it's too late.

I found it hard to watch, good film as it was @Vixy , as I wish I could do more to reach others with the gospel.
Interesting enterpretation, I saw this one but yours sounds more logical bc I could never grasp why her sister reacted that way. That an that the woman in the beginning who ran out of the house ran right into a burning car and sat down. She embraced death!
Another weird thing is that the guy in the house who was a fraud, said it was beautiful and he had already gotten the crazy eyes. So..its beautiful to them? Hmm..



Yeah I feel the same about this world.. I try so hard to warn them but they scoff me and will not listen. Although deep down something IS happening to them bc those who used to say they hated (yes, they actually said they hated) christians, now suddenly donät and even tolerate us. They feel deep inside something's wrong. I think they're scared.
 





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Well, good people would be those who abide the laws of God. And who does it because they know the truth and WANTS to, not those who are forced and theyre hearts arent really into it. Ya kno?
I would call good people, those who have the heart and Spirit of Christ. (Thy kingdom come, thy will be don on earth as it is in heaven) I think immorality and evil are far more prevalent than most people realize.
 





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I would call good people, those who have the heart and Spirit of Christ. (Thy kingdom come, thy will be don on earth as it is in heaven) I think immorality and evil are far more prevalent than most people realize.
Oh, it is! The good people I know already have god in their lives but the bad eggs... So I tried saving and telibg them in mild ways and other ways but nah. At most I raised some questions and planted seeds but it got unbareable for me to always hear "Your God sucks" and constantly have to defend him. One can only take so much.
 





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Vixy’s post on the Masons reminded me of something.

We moved to our little town 13 years ago. We started attending the First Baptist Church soon after. I started learning that it was known as a “pastor eating church,” meaning pastors did not stay long. I remember a wall of photos of pastors who had been there. There were many and they had short stints at this church, like 1-3 years. This was the oldest church in this town and had been here since the late 1800s. We stayed there only a short time. After we left there was a church split that was UGLY!! It was because the old guard didn’t like the pastor. Not surprising.

About 10 years ago I was more charismatic than I am now. A friend and I had been learning about researching the spiritual history of a town and praying over it. I went to that church which is in the old downtown area, half a block from the Masonic lodge. As I read the historic plaques, I learned that the Masons used to meet in the basement of that church in the early 1900s and before!! There were also many of the church leaders who were Masons in the past. We were pretty gobsmacked over that, particularly the church allowing the Masons to meet in the basement. I guess people were less informed about the Masons back then. She and I stood there and prayed over that church and over our town and prayed that there would no longer be spiritual ties there being the Masons, that the Lord would break those ties, etc. I can’t remember all we prayed. We prayed much more. I probably wouldn’t pray that same way now.

That church is changed now. There is a pastor who came in within a year after. He has been there and he is loved by the congregation. It has grown and the Word is preached there. I would imagine many people were praying for that church and not just us. But I think that church’s ties to the Masons was spiritually detrimental.
My friend!

What you encountered was spiritual warfare. The church was cursed and the devil at play. Sounds like it was your prayers that did the difference since you prayed exactly for what had gone down. The congregation, I'm guessing, didn't know. Did you check the basement out? Did they leave any things or symbols? I'd be down there in a heartbeat checking things out!
 





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Oh, it is! The good people I know already have god in their lives but the bad eggs... So I tried saving and telibg them in mild ways and other ways but nah. At most I raised some questions and planted seeds but it got unbareable for me to always hear "Your God sucks" and constantly have to defend him. One can only take so much.
Don't get discouraged Vixy, Christ went through the same thing...He said the world would hate us as it hated Him. I know it's disheartening for people to reject what we know as a Joy to us. But just remember, you are not alone. In God's Mercy and Grace.
Douglas Summers
 





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Don't get discouraged Vixy, Christ went through the same thing...He said the world would hate us as it hated Him. I know it's disheartening for people to reject what we know as a Joy to us. But just remember, you are not alone. In God's Mercy and Grace.
Douglas Summers
Thanks! Youre absolutely right and I think of what he said many times. Im glad the world hates me bc it means I have light within my soul. :) I feel kinda bad for them.
 





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Thanks! Youre absolutely right and I think of what he said many times. Im glad the world hates me bc it means I have light within my soul. :) I feel kinda bad for them.
The Scriptures make clear that God rewards those of His own, that are called and elected, that make their calling and election sure, that they receive rewards in crowns (crowns are a sign of authority). (The Bible speaks of seven crowns to the Church as for service unto Him) For The Church (body of Christ of born again believers) will share in the judgments and Kingdom as Son's of God as a kingdom of priest and kings (God as our Father and Christ as our brother), (Rom. 8: 1-39; Rev. 1:4-6). And when we receive those crowns, we throw them at the feet of Christ (Rev. 4:10-11). The church is the family of God by inheritance by rebirth. The Church or body of Christ will be complete when the "Fulness of the Gentiles has come in." (Rom. 11:25). The legislative branch of the Kingdom of God (The Church) is small in number compared to the saved during the Tribulation,,,for the Church will be already with Christ when the Trib. begins. (Rom. 7:9-17). There is more, but study these and we will discuss more after you understand these Truths.
 





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Whaaaa? This is possible now?

And yeah, another who doesnt believe in the pre trib here. The bible says we have to count on losing our lifes for christ and consiedering this, I count on being beheaded for my believe because I WILL refuse to give up on my believe (my believe doesnt hurt anyone) and take the chip.

Also you guys know that we're not supposed to have homosexuals amongst us, right? It's like being friends with a criminal and to not tell them what theyre doing is wrong. I refer to Corinthians 5:9 -13

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

So it means its okay to socialize with them in order to tell them about the gospel but not otherwise.

Sorry.. :/ I've hung around sinners myself but it only led to problems for me.
This has to be one of the best comments ever on youtube:

"No, if I miss the rapture, it is no ones fault but my own. If, God wiling, I do not bow down and take the mark then my only chance for eternal salvation at that point, is to be beheaded. But if I could not do what was right when the Spirit of God was prodding and goading me, what makes me think I will do so in the Tribulation. And that is what we are really talking about. When will we quit being false prophets and take our Bibles as Truth. I don't have to make anything up. The Truth glares at us thru Blood stained pages of our Bibles. But yet we cling to this world instead of the old rugged Cross. Let us humble ourselves, bow our knees to a Heavenly Savior, go back to our FIRST LOVE. What is that? It is very clear Rev 2:5 REMEMBER from whence thou art fallen and REPENT and do the first works.... Quit blaming every body for our backslide condition. Remember and admit, I AM A BACKSLIDER..I am guilty..Lord Jesus Save me all over again. Cover me, body soul spirit and will in your precious Blood. Keep me! Let your rod and staff chastise me, correct me, instruct me and protect my walk. Create in me a clean heart. Let me see only my sin. Let me see only my guilt. Show me where I have backed away from you and taken on other lovers. Please help me to know only you and walk by the light of your Word. Instruct me day by day, moment by moment. And my dear Savior, if today be the day of the calling away of your saints, my dear Jesus , open my ears to hear the sound of your trumpet and the shout of the calling of my name. What ever it takes, engrave in my heart a new desire and new zeal and new love to walk in your presence. Fill me with the Fire of the Holy Ghost and let that fire burn with in my being to burn away the wood hay and stubble that fills my heart and blurrs my vision. Wash me in the Waters of your Name. I Thank you I praise you I bless you and I glorify your Name and Your Blood. You are my all in all. Save me inwardly to the uttermost. COME LORD JESUS COME This world is NOT my home nor is it my Kingdom. I am a pilgrim and s sojourner. Clean out my eyes. Wash away the idolatry that blinds my vision for I fear I perish if I can not see only you. SAVE ME KEEP ME Help me to find my refuge in your Blood, Come Lord Jesus Come" - Amen


I don't know how Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture support the idea. Jesus said AFTER the tribulation of those days.. not before it (the tribulation) happens.. So Rapture, yes.. (and it is known as The Reaping of the earth), but just not pre-tribulation:

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew)

The only way that anyone is going to be saved is if they are fighting for God and His Laws (instead of fighting against Him and His Laws). Fighting for the Truth, and speaking the Truth to others is also fighting for God.
 





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This has to be one of the best comments ever on youtube:

"No, if I miss the rapture, it is no ones fault but my own. If, God wiling, I do not bow down and take the mark then my only chance for eternal salvation at that point, is to be beheaded. But if I could not do what was right when the Spirit of God was prodding and goading me, what makes me think I will do so in the Tribulation. And that is what we are really talking about. When will we quit being false prophets and take our Bibles as Truth. I don't have to make anything up. The Truth glares at us thru Blood stained pages of our Bibles. But yet we cling to this world instead of the old rugged Cross. Let us humble ourselves, bow our knees to a Heavenly Savior, go back to our FIRST LOVE. What is that? It is very clear Rev 2:5 REMEMBER from whence thou art fallen and REPENT and do the first works.... Quit blaming every body for our backslide condition. Remember and admit, I AM A BACKSLIDER..I am guilty..Lord Jesus Save me all over again. Cover me, body soul spirit and will in your precious Blood. Keep me! Let your rod and staff chastise me, correct me, instruct me and protect my walk. Create in me a clean heart. Let me see only my sin. Let me see only my guilt. Show me where I have backed away from you and taken on other lovers. Please help me to know only you and walk by the light of your Word. Instruct me day by day, moment by moment. And my dear Savior, if today be the day of the calling away of your saints, my dear Jesus , open my ears to hear the sound of your trumpet and the shout of the calling of my name. What ever it takes, engrave in my heart a new desire and new zeal and new love to walk in your presence. Fill me with the Fire of the Holy Ghost and let that fire burn with in my being to burn away the wood hay and stubble that fills my heart and blurrs my vision. Wash me in the Waters of your Name. I Thank you I praise you I bless you and I glorify your Name and Your Blood. You are my all in all. Save me inwardly to the uttermost. COME LORD JESUS COME This world is NOT my home nor is it my Kingdom. I am a pilgrim and s sojourner. Clean out my eyes. Wash away the idolatry that blinds my vision for I fear I perish if I can not see only you. SAVE ME KEEP ME Help me to find my refuge in your Blood, Come Lord Jesus Come" - Amen


I don't know how Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture support the idea. Jesus said AFTER the tribulation of those days.. not before it (the tribulation) happens.. So Rapture, yes.. (and it is known as The Reaping of the earth), but just not pre-tribulation:

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew)

The only way that anyone is going to be saved is if they are fighting for God and His Laws (instead of fighting against Him and His Laws). Fighting for the Truth, and speaking the Truth to others is also fighting for God.
"There is a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come - the readiness is all."
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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​
http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
 





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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
I have visiond the same thing many times.
 





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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
 





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So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again. It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance. And when we call upon the name of the Lord, he regenerates us with the Holy Spirit. Going to Church, tithing, giving to the poor has nothing to do to do to be acceptable to God, but rather, regeneration causes us to do those things through His Spirit that pleases God. Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. It is the only true peace in this life that is in Christ Jesus.
 





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That is because many people are "almost Christians". https://www.truthaccordingtoscriptu.../whitefield-almost-christian.php#.XGCtlxJ_VxA
In modern talk: think like, act like, behave like, even feel like they are Christians- but true transforming heart change through faith in Jesus Christ has not occurred.
God knows our heart.
So most good church going people don't have enough faith in Jesus Christ and that's why they will be left behind ?

And only God knows who has passed that threshold of enough faith for being worthy of rapture ?
 





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If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again.

I'm asking because i want to know your position on this topic.

It was said that good church going people will be left behind... and so i wanted to know who you think will go up.

And one answer was faith in Jesus Christ... but isn't that why people go to church... because they have faith in Jesus Christ ?

Therefore there is no reason based on that answer to exclude good church going people from the rapture.

Perhaps they just didn't have strong enough faith... some almost but not enough ?


It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance.
Repentance is turning from evil towards good... it's regretting the wrong we've done.


Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins?
I am the Lord's spokesperson.

How about that Dawg ?
 





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"There is a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come - the readiness is all."
~Hamlet
Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture:

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
 





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Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture.

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken: - Jesus
I'm fairly familiar with Shakespeare and Bacon (New Atlantis etc) -

What always struck me about the particular quote was the "readiness" aspect...

Are we ready if we were to die tomorrow or should the Rapture were to take place one day soon?

And are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus if we suddenly face tribulation and have to choose?