Encouragement for those Souls in female bodies

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The Bible very specifically states that only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-4, Rev. 23:12, Rev. 26:9). Very few find the strait and narrow Way that leads to LIFE (Matt. 7:13-14).

The Bible also tells us that the Souls (spirit-Beings) in male and female bodies should be helping each other on their (hopefully) upward spiritual climb to become enough like Jesus to be released from this prison-reform school for the criminally-insane ("sinners"/law-breakers/criminals), with those in male bodies leading the way in thought, word and by Christ-like example.

So will the 144,000 include Souls that are in female bodies? Christ did state that these days will be "as the days of Noah" (Matt. 24:37-39), when two of every living thing of all flesh (male and female) entered the Ark, and were saved (Gen. 6:19). There are also the following passages which make a compelling case that there will be Souls in female bodies who are among the redeemed.


(Adopted) Sons AND Daughters

Solomon 9:7. Thou hast chosen me to be a king of Thy People, and a judge of Thy (adopted) sons and daughters:

Wisdom 17:22. The alms of a man is as a signet with Him, and He will keep the good deeds of man as the apple of the eye, and give remission to His (adopted) sons and daughters.

Hosea 1:10-11, 2:1-2
1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not My people, [there] it shall be said unto them [that survive], [Ye are] the sons of the Living God.
1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves One head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.
2:1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.
2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not My wife, neither [am] I her Husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

Joel 2:28-29
2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My Spirit.

Isaiah 43:4-12
43:4 Since thou wast precious in My sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
43:5 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the East, and gather thee from the West;
43:6 I will say to the North, Give up; and to the South, Keep not back: bring My sons from far, and My daughters from the ends of the earth;
43:7 [Even] every one that is called by My name: for I have created him for My glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together (Gen. 49:10), and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, [It is] truth.
43:10 Ye [are] My witnesses, saith the "I AM", and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I [am] He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the "I AM"; and beside Me [there is] no Saviour.
43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when [there was] no strange [god] among you: therefore ye [are] My witnesses (Rev. 11), saith the "I AM", that I [am] God.

Isaiah 49:22 Thus saith the Lord "I AM", Behold, I will lift up Mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up My standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.

Isaiah 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at [thy] side.

Ezekiel 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, [both] sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, [even] concerning all that I have brought upon it.

Zepaniah 3:10-14
3:10 From beyond Ethiopia My suppliants, even the daughter of My dispersed, shall bring Mine offering.
3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against Me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of My Holy Mountain (Moriah).
3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an humble and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the "I AM".
3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do inequity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall DO the Will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Acts 2:16-18
2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the Prophet Joel;
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Galatians 3:26-29
3:26 For ye are all the (adopted) children of God (IF ye do His Will) by faith (trust) in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized (with fire) into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 6:17-18
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My [adopted] sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Revelation 24:15 And He gave charge to His servants to walk abroad and to carry the message, so that all may be prepared for the Age that will be as gold, and when all will know their brothers and sisters by the Light of their Being.

Sura 3:195. And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: ye are members, one of another: those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- a reward from the Presence of God, and from His Presence is the best of rewards."

Sura 4:124. If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

Sura 13:22-23
13:22. Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish constant prayer; spend, out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off Evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home,-
13:23. Gardens of perpetual bliss: they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their dads, their spouses, and their offspring: and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation):

Sura 16:96-97
16:96. What is with you must vanish: what is with "I AM" will endure. And We will certainly bestow, on those who patiently persevere, their reward according to the best of their actions.
16:97. Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.

Sura 33:28-36
33:28. O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts: "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner.
33:29. But if ye seek "I AM" and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily "I AM" has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward.
33:30. O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for "I AM".
33:31. But any of you that is devout in the service of "I AM" and His Messenger, and works righteousness,- to her shall We grant her reward twice: and We have prepared for her a generous Sustenance.
33:32. O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear ("I AM"), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger. And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.
33:34. And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes, of the Signs of "I AM" and His Wisdom: for "I AM" understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them).
33:35. For men and women "True in Faith",- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for honest men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in "I AM"'s praise,- for them has "I AM" prepared Forgiveness and great Reward.
33:36. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by "I AM" and His Messenger, to have ANY disagreement about their decision: if any one disobeys "I AM" and His Messenger (or holds an opposing opinion), he is indeed on a clearly WRONG Path.

Sura 33:73. (With the result) that "I AM" has to punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Unbelievers, men and women, and "I AM" turns in Mercy to the Believers, men and women: for "I AM" is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 40:40. "He that works evil will not be requited except by the like thereof: and he that works a righteous deed - whether man or woman - and is a Believer- such will enter the Garden (of Bliss): therein will they have abundance beyond measure.

Sura 48:5. That He may admit the men and women who believe, to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever, and remove their ills from them;- and that is, in the sight of "I AM", the highest achievement (for man),-

Sura 57:12, 18
57:12. One Day shalt thou see the believing men and the believing women- how their Light runs forward before them and by their right hands: (their greeting will be): "Good News for you this Day! Gardens beneath which flow rivers! To dwell therein for ever! This is indeed the Highest Achievement!"

57:18. For those who give in Charity, men and women, and loan to "I AM" a Beautiful Loan, it shall be increased manifold (to their credit), and they shall have (besides) a liberal reward.
 






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The Bible very specifically states that only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-4, Rev. 23:12, Rev. 26:9). Very few find the strait and narrow Way that leads to LIFE (Matt. 7:13-14).
FALSE!

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 






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FALSE!

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
It's not worth trying to critique their interpretation of the bible, @floss. All that will get you is accusation of being Satan's pawn because you dare point out problematic elements in their reading of scripture.
 






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John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
TRUTH: According to God, there will only be 144,000 who believe Christ and don't perish. Period.

TRUTH: Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.

TRUTH: Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

TRUTH: Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

TRUTH: 2 Esdras 9:15 I have said before, and now do speak, and will speak it also hereafter, that there be many more of them which perish, than of them which shall be saved:
9:16 Like as a wave is greater than a drop.

TRUTH
: Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it.

TRUTH: Revelation 7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

TRUTH: Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

TRUTH: Revelation 23:12 And the priests of the Earth will come forth and call The Book evil and make pain of the 144,000 who are of the Light. But The Priest will read of The Book and the Word will turn the stomach sour, but in the mouth it will be as sweet as honey.

TRUTH: Revelation 26:9 "They are of the 144,000 children, the first born and are of every tongue and of every nation. For the risen Christ is in their heart, that the Word (Matt. 8:10-12) may be fulfilled".
 






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Do you know what WHOSOEVER mean?
Do you know what the word BELIEVETH means?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find Faith on the Earth?
 






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The Bible very specifically states that only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-4, Rev. 23:12, Rev. 26:9).
So false. There are only 22 chapters in Revelation. The 144,000 are not presented as the only ones redeemed.

Revelation 7:


9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 ¶ And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 






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Stop doing this. You mix the Word of God in a pot of false religions that are not of God and come up with complete nonsense. This is what the devil does. He mixes truth and lies to confuse people, to divert their minds so they can be lost eternally. How can you believe in Christianity and paganism at the same time? They contradict each other. They can't be mixed either!

The problem with you is you have no clear stance. You take a little bit from Christianity, from Islam and other religions that are not of God and come up with confusing doctrines. That in itself is against God and His Word.

Matthew 6:24, “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

Matthew 12:30, "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad."
 






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It's not worth trying to critique their interpretation of the bible, @floss. All that will get you is accusation of being Satan's pawn because you dare point out problematic elements in their reading of scripture.
Someone should point out its wrong, anyway.
 






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Regarding the 8 missing chapters of Revelation (the third book of Revelation), which were wrongfully removed from the Bible by the churches to hide the Second Coming of Christ:-


Of course the missing chapters are in perfect agreement with the rest of Revelation and the rest of the Bible.

Case-in-point: There are three references/witnesses (according to The Law - Deut. 17:6) to the 144,000 in the first two books of Revelation. They are as follows:

Revelation 7:4-9
7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. - #1
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. - #2
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth. - #3
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

Please note well:
a) John is TOLD the number of them that were sealed in Rev. 7:4, and the number that he HEARD was 144,000.
b) John was then SHOWN the 144,000, describing them at a glance as "a great multitude, which no man could count".
c) John is SHOWN the same group of 144,000 AGAIN in Rev. 14:1, standing with "a Lamb (Christ)
d) John reports 144,000 for a third time in Rev. 14:3, where he states that no man could learn the New Song "except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth".
e) There is NO MENTION of any group or "multitude" other than the 144,000 in either Rev. 14:1 or in Rev. 14:3.

These final two witnesses prove that the "multitude" John was shown in Rev. 7:9 was the 144,000, so that ALL THREE WITNESSES ARE IN AGREEMENT.

For doubters, please read the verses EXACTLY as they were recorded, taking note that nowhere in any of the verses does John say that he saw 144,000 AND a multitude. It only says 144,000 THREE TIMES for the number which were redeemed from the Earth.

Before any of you claim without thinking about it that you can count to 144,000, please stop and consider what that would actually be like.

There are collegiate level football stadiums (NCAA, Division 1) in the U.S. that seat in excess of 100,000 fans, e.g. Michigan's "big house" in Ann Arbor, the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA, Ohio State in Columbus, OH, Tennessee in Knoxville, and Texas A&M in College Station, Texas. Here are views of the Rose Bowl and Michigan's stadium.

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The Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California - Capacity: 106,869

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The "Big House" in Ann Arbor, Michigan - Capacity: 115,109

Regardless of the vantage point, it should be self-evident why no one could count a multitude of this size. If you're far enough away to see the entire multitude, then they're too small to count. Get closer, and some of them are blocked from view. Lose count at any time during the process, and you're starting over, which would itself happen over, and over until conceding it simply isn't possible.

That's why they announce the "official attendance" for the day during the game, which is based on the numbers tallied at the turnstiles. Just as the actual count of the multitude was announced to John, BECAUSE NO MAN COULD COUNT SUCH A MULTITUDE.
 






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Regarding the 8 missing chapters of Revelation (the third book of Revelation), which were wrongfully removed from the Bible by the churches to hide the Second Coming of Christ:-


Of course the missing chapters are in perfect agreement with the rest of Revelation and the rest of the Bible.

Case-in-point: There are three references/witnesses (according to The Law - Deut. 17:6) to the 144,000 in the first two books of Revelation. They are as follows:

Revelation 7:4-9
7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. - #1
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. - #2
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth. - #3
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

Please note well:
a) John is TOLD the number of them that were sealed in Rev. 7:4, and the number that he HEARD was 144,000.
b) John was then SHOWN the 144,000, describing them at a glance as "a great multitude, which no man could count".
c) John is SHOWN the same group of 144,000 AGAIN in Rev. 14:1, standing with "a Lamb (Christ)
d) John reports 144,000 for a third time in Rev. 14:3, where he states that no man could learn the New Song "except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth".
e) There is NO MENTION of any group or "multitude" other than the 144,000 in either Rev. 14:1 or in Rev. 14:3.

These final two witnesses prove that the "multitude" John was shown in Rev. 7:9 was the 144,000, so that ALL THREE WITNESSES ARE IN AGREEMENT.

For doubters, please read the verses EXACTLY as they were recorded, taking note that nowhere in any of the verses does John say that he saw 144,000 AND a multitude. It only says 144,000 THREE TIMES for the number which were redeemed from the Earth.

Before any of you claim without thinking about it that you can count to 144,000, please stop and consider what that would actually be like.

There are collegiate level football stadiums (NCAA, Division 1) in the U.S. that seat in excess of 100,000 fans, e.g. Michigan's "big house" in Ann Arbor, the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA, Ohio State in Columbus, OH, Tennessee in Knoxville, and Texas A&M in College Station, Texas. Here are views of the Rose Bowl and Michigan's stadium.

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The Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California - Capacity: 106,869

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The "Big House" in Ann Arbor, Michigan - Capacity: 115,109

Regardless of the vantage point, it should be self-evident why no one could count a multitude of this size. If you're far enough away to see the entire multitude, then they're too small to count. Get closer, and some of them are blocked from view. Lose count at any time during the process, and you're starting over, which would itself happen over, and over until conceding it simply isn't possible.

That's why they announce the "official attendance" for the day during the game, which is based on the numbers tallied at the turnstiles. Just as the actual count of the multitude was announced to John, BECAUSE NO MAN COULD COUNT SUCH A MULTITUDE.
No. If you have to make up books of the Bible, and then say that it’s impossible to count to 144,000, you’re just being a fool.
 






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No. If you have to make up books of the Bible, and then say that it’s impossible to count to 144,000, you’re just being a fool.
No one has made up any books of the Bible. The King of kings' Bible merely restores those books which the church WRONGFULLY removed in direct violation of the Scripture itself. And clearly you aren't being honest with yourself about the 144,000 either.

Proverbs 1:6-7
1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their hidden meanings.
1:7 The fear of the "I AM" [is] the beginning of Knowledge: [but] fools despise Wisdom and instruction.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.

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Stop doing this. You mix the Word of God in a pot of false religions that are not of God and come up with complete nonsense. This is what the devil does. He mixes truth and lies to confuse people, to divert their minds so they can be lost eternally. How can you believe in Christianity and paganism at the same time? They contradict each other. They can't be mixed either!

The problem with you is you have no clear stance. You take a little bit from Christianity, from Islam and other religions that are not of God and come up with confusing doctrines. That in itself is against God and His Word.

Matthew 6:24, “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

Matthew 12:30, "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad."
The false organized religion known as "Christianity" IS paganism, with its pagan 3=1 deity, its pagan Babylonian sun-worship on Sun-days, its pagan Easter/Ishtar easter bunnies and its pagan gluttonous red-coated Santa/Satan Claus. In fact, it's so obviously pagan it's absolutely amazing that it's fooled so many. But, as Christ said, it is the broad path that leads to DESTRUCTION that many are on.

Unless people COME OUT of Christianity, and Islam, and Talmudic Judaism, and every other organized religion on the planet -- ALL of which are false and pagan -- they will NOT be among the 144,000 as God has been warning us for thousands of years in His HOLY Scriptures, which include the Old Covenant, New Covenant AND Koran.

The ONLY Way to be among the 144,000 is to REMEMBER and return to obeying Father (God) and His Law ONLY, as we have likewise been COMMANDED to do for our own benefit for thousands of years (Mal. 4).

Everyone who doesn't do EXACTLY that is NOT with Christ and WILL burn. It can't be made any clearer than that.
 






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The Bible very specifically states that only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-4, Rev. 23:12, Rev. 26:9). Very few find the strait and narrow Way that leads to LIFE (Matt. 7:13-14).

The Bible also tells us that the Souls (spirit-Beings) in male and female bodies should be helping each other on their (hopefully) upward spiritual climb to become enough like Jesus to be released from this prison-reform school for the criminally-insane ("sinners"/law-breakers/criminals), with those in male bodies leading the way in thought, word and by Christ-like example.

So will the 144,000 include Souls that are in female bodies? Christ did state that these days will be "as the days of Noah" (Matt. 24:37-39), when two of every living thing of all flesh (male and female) entered the Ark, and were saved (Gen. 6:19). There are also the following passages which make a compelling case that there will be Souls in female bodies who are among the redeemed.


(Adopted) Sons AND Daughters

Solomon 9:7. Thou hast chosen me to be a king of Thy People, and a judge of Thy (adopted) sons and daughters:

Wisdom 17:22. The alms of a man is as a signet with Him, and He will keep the good deeds of man as the apple of the eye, and give remission to His (adopted) sons and daughters.

Hosea 1:10-11, 2:1-2
1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not My people, [there] it shall be said unto them [that survive], [Ye are] the sons of the Living God.
1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves One head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.
2:1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.
2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not My wife, neither [am] I her Husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

Joel 2:28-29
2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My Spirit.

Isaiah 43:4-12
43:4 Since thou wast precious in My sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
43:5 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the East, and gather thee from the West;
43:6 I will say to the North, Give up; and to the South, Keep not back: bring My sons from far, and My daughters from the ends of the earth;
43:7 [Even] every one that is called by My name: for I have created him for My glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together (Gen. 49:10), and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, [It is] truth.
43:10 Ye [are] My witnesses, saith the "I AM", and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I [am] He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the "I AM"; and beside Me [there is] no Saviour.
43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when [there was] no strange [god] among you: therefore ye [are] My witnesses (Rev. 11), saith the "I AM", that I [am] God.

Isaiah 49:22 Thus saith the Lord "I AM", Behold, I will lift up Mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up My standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.

Isaiah 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at [thy] side.

Ezekiel 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, [both] sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, [even] concerning all that I have brought upon it.

Zepaniah 3:10-14
3:10 From beyond Ethiopia My suppliants, even the daughter of My dispersed, shall bring Mine offering.
3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against Me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of My Holy Mountain (Moriah).
3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an humble and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the "I AM".
3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do inequity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall DO the Will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Acts 2:16-18
2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the Prophet Joel;
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Galatians 3:26-29
3:26 For ye are all the (adopted) children of God (IF ye do His Will) by faith (trust) in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized (with fire) into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 6:17-18
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My [adopted] sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Revelation 24:15 And He gave charge to His servants to walk abroad and to carry the message, so that all may be prepared for the Age that will be as gold, and when all will know their brothers and sisters by the Light of their Being.

Sura 3:195. And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: ye are members, one of another: those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- a reward from the Presence of God, and from His Presence is the best of rewards."

Sura 4:124. If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

Sura 13:22-23
13:22. Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish constant prayer; spend, out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off Evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home,-
13:23. Gardens of perpetual bliss: they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their dads, their spouses, and their offspring: and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation):

Sura 16:96-97
16:96. What is with you must vanish: what is with "I AM" will endure. And We will certainly bestow, on those who patiently persevere, their reward according to the best of their actions.
16:97. Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.

Sura 33:28-36
33:28. O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts: "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner.
33:29. But if ye seek "I AM" and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily "I AM" has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward.
33:30. O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for "I AM".
33:31. But any of you that is devout in the service of "I AM" and His Messenger, and works righteousness,- to her shall We grant her reward twice: and We have prepared for her a generous Sustenance.
33:32. O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear ("I AM"), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger. And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.
33:34. And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes, of the Signs of "I AM" and His Wisdom: for "I AM" understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them).
33:35. For men and women "True in Faith",- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for honest men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in "I AM"'s praise,- for them has "I AM" prepared Forgiveness and great Reward.
33:36. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by "I AM" and His Messenger, to have ANY disagreement about their decision: if any one disobeys "I AM" and His Messenger (or holds an opposing opinion), he is indeed on a clearly WRONG Path.

Sura 33:73. (With the result) that "I AM" has to punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Unbelievers, men and women, and "I AM" turns in Mercy to the Believers, men and women: for "I AM" is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 40:40. "He that works evil will not be requited except by the like thereof: and he that works a righteous deed - whether man or woman - and is a Believer- such will enter the Garden (of Bliss): therein will they have abundance beyond measure.

Sura 48:5. That He may admit the men and women who believe, to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever, and remove their ills from them;- and that is, in the sight of "I AM", the highest achievement (for man),-

Sura 57:12, 18
57:12. One Day shalt thou see the believing men and the believing women- how their Light runs forward before them and by their right hands: (their greeting will be): "Good News for you this Day! Gardens beneath which flow rivers! To dwell therein for ever! This is indeed the Highest Achievement!"

57:18. For those who give in Charity, men and women, and loan to "I AM" a Beautiful Loan, it shall be increased manifold (to their credit), and they shall have (besides) a liberal reward.
I don’t understand the point of this post. Can someone tell me in realistic/layman terms what this is saying? How is this helping me? I’m going to be redeemed how and when? Is this physical or after death?
 






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TRUTH: According to God, there will only be 144,000 who believe Christ and don't perish. Period.

TRUTH: Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall DIE.

TRUTH: Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

TRUTH: Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

TRUTH: 2 Esdras 9:15 I have said before, and now do speak, and will speak it also hereafter, that there be many more of them which perish, than of them which shall be saved:
9:16 Like as a wave is greater than a drop.

TRUTH
: Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it.

TRUTH: Revelation 7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

TRUTH: Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

TRUTH: Revelation 23:12 And the priests of the Earth will come forth and call The Book evil and make pain of the 144,000 who are of the Light. But The Priest will read of The Book and the Word will turn the stomach sour, but in the mouth it will be as sweet as honey.

TRUTH: Revelation 26:9 "They are of the 144,000 children, the first born and are of every tongue and of every nation. For the risen Christ is in their heart, that the Word (Matt. 8:10-12) may be fulfilled".
If you believe the passage literally, you should realise if you have ever been sexually active then you cannot be one of the 144 000 children.

Revelation 14: 4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).
 






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I don’t understand the point of this post. Can someone tell me in realistic/layman terms what this is saying? How is this helping me? I’m going to be redeemed how and when? Is this physical or after death?
The Bible verses quoted are the Word of God.

In realistic, laymen's terms what this means is that whosoever genuinely loves the Truth with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength, is willing to give their lives for others, to reinstate our Creator's Law to make this world what it always should have been -- Heaven on Earth -- and remains FAITHFUL to the Truth to the end, will survive.
 






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I don’t understand the point of this post. Can someone tell me in realistic/layman terms what this is saying? How is this helping me? I’m going to be redeemed how and when? Is this physical or after death?
Common dude, you been under the rock? It's real plain and simple. To be redeemed, you need to profess John Anthony Hill aka JAH (Jesus's reincarnation) as the Last and Final Prophet for human kind. Most importantly, you need to be REVERTED quickly as each day the JAH Crew are approaching its maximum seat of salvation. Please please DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT be the 144,001 Revert. Once the counter hit 144k, you're shits outta luck buddy. There are about 3 redeemed at the moment so you need to act quick, do not wait, today is the day of salvation! Make sure to order your copy of The King of Kings Bible once it's available:


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