What are you still going on about?
FYI—if you are going to quote the Bible to me use the KJB if you expect me to address it.
From your rant about Genesis 32, if you bothered reading Genesis 31 you would know that Jacob was not afraid because he already knew & expected the angel because he saw the angel prior to that in his dream.
Daniel 6:
20 And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
21 Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
22 My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
It doesn’t tell us the actual, verbatim dialogue between Daniel & the angel when it first appeared so this passage doesn’t support your argument.
However...
—-Notice it says the angel shut the lion’s mouth to protect him?
That is another reason how I know it wasn’t Gabriel who appeared unto Muhammad:
Angels sent by God to His TRUE prophets do not hurt them. They bring messages & guidance, protect and rescue.
So why then, in Muhammad’s encounter, did the entity (depending on the Quran version) squeeze/press/grab Muhammad?
If Muhammad was being used as a prophet of God, why would the entity behave in such a fierce manner and injure him?
"What are you still going on about?"
I'm making light of your theological ineptitude. no matter what you say you cannot backtrack from the fact that originally your point was largely about Mohammad's reaction.
ie 'he was scared' 'trembled' etc and therefore you concluded it was clearly a demon.
So after I pointed out that this reaction was common in the bible, you have since shamelessly altered your argument to "but the angel reassured people"
aww
but what difference would that make to Mohammad if he had no clue who Gabriel was? that was my response.
I mean if the angel reassured him you would still say "it's a demon pretending to be nice"
In the narration, Mohammad SAW told his wife "i fear something may happen to me" and his wife said "you are good to people, God wouldn't do that to you" (faith/trust in God even before they had a theology) and then he visited Khadijah's uncle, a christian to enquire about his experience.
The uncle confirmed who Gabriel was.
This is the right way to act.
Also your points need to be wholly consistent. This is why i regularly say
"funnel vision not tunnel vision" (driving instruction btw) but it applies here
you need to consider all angles when making your points otherwise you'll fail as miserably as you have with this.
Jesus said satan's kingdom is not divided. In the post here
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/dr-william-campbell-destroyed-by-dr-zakir-naik-on-scientific-errors-in-the-bible-must-watch.4167/post-144941
ive quoted a few hadith mentioning Gabriel.
So already my perspective is larger than yours and i can draw conclusions from more than one hadith.
There are many quotes there that show why Gabriel clearly isn't a demon.
Furthermore ALL of the above has to also ultimately deal with the core subject, islam and it's position in light of christianity and judaism esp the scripture.
Soyour position naturally is that islam is evil or a false religion.
Yet Isaiah 42 from verse 10 talks about things that have only been fulfilled by islam.
So again your point about Gabriel has to be made in light of a wide variety of other arguments in favour of islam.
so not only did this same religion go onto eradicate idolatory in the region and replace it with the most clear form of monothiesm.
it was also powerful enough to take the holy land and hold it longer than any of the religions before it.
All of this and much more has to be considered each time you try to attack islam.
if you were theologically honest, with yourself, you would have natural questions ie
'if islam is evil then why did it......'
over the time ive been here ive made many points about islam in this way and not once have i been answered.
Jesus said he would send the holy spirit to bring all the truth and tell us what is yet to come. He would 'only speak what he hears' etc. these things the holy spirit has brought, through prophet Mohammad.
Also you originally claimed islam doesnt believe in the indwelling holy spirit and i proved you wrong on that too.
there are many arguments you guys can make but each one fails.
So now you ask
If Muhammad was being used as a prophet of God, why would the entity behave in such a fierce manner and injure him?
the hadith in question
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely.
ok so clearly he wasn't injured, you've been caught out again.
He pressed him forcefully. I suppose that isnt quite the field of daffodils you expect.
but wait...
Genesis 32
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.
THIS is an injury.
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
claire...............
FYI—if you are going to quote the Bible to me use the KJB if you expect me to address it.
FYI King James was the first masonic king.
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