Dr. William Campbell destroyed by Dr. Zakir Naik on scientific errors in the Bible MUST WATCH!!

[grateful servant]

Islam is currently growing via higher birthrates.

Is that your opinion or can you back it up? In the mosque I attend we have new converts to Islam almost every week, recently a young boy of about 11 or 12 years old came and declared his shahada. I'm not making this up... if it is happening so often in the one masjid I attend, I imagine it happens often elsewhere as well. More people convert to Islam than any other religion.

 

[manama]

Christianity is dying via birthrates cuz your kids don't like church lol bye

 

[Karlysymon]

Iam reposting this article

Atheism explodes in Saudi Arabia, despite state-enforced ban

https://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/atheism_explodes_in_saudi_arabia_where_just_talking_about_atheism_is_illegal_partner/

and even though it was called out as "hot air", the same trend is seen in the cradle of Judaism. Inotherwords, "non-natives" are filling up the ranks. Abrahamic faiths are facing stiff competition from "more appealing" rivals such as Wicca (2nd fastest growing in America), New ageism, and atheism.

Rise of religious-nones

 

[manama]

Iam reposting this article

Atheism explodes in Saudi Arabia, despite state-enforced ban

https://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/atheism_explodes_in_saudi_arabia_where_just_talking_about_atheism_is_illegal_partner/

and even though it was called out as "hot air", the same trend is seen in the cradle of Judaism. Inotherwords, "non-natives" are filling up the ranks. Abrahamic faiths are facing stiff competition from "more appealing" rivals such as Wicca (2nd fastest growing in America), New ageism, and atheism.

Surprise surprise, Saudi Arabia is made up of multiple ethnicities and religions.

 

[Haich]

I don't know why Saudi Arabia is always mentioned when referencing Islam. There's nothing Islamic about it and having family there, I can tell you most citizens are culture driven.

Also there are mannny different faiths practised there. It's an expat hub.

 

[manama]

I agree scientologists are “just like Muslims.”

The similarities do not end with the origin of their texts. How and by whom they were created is an interesting comparison.

The most apparent similarity between Islam and Scientology is that it appears both L. Ron Hubbard and Mohammed patterned their beliefs after established systems from the ancient world.

While L. Ron Hubbard chose to use science fiction to express his beliefs, Mohammed (with Kadija’s knowledge and resources) appears to have used parts of Catholicism, the Babylonian Talmud (Rabbinic Judaism), and ancient Mystery religion to fabricate a similar fiction.


Islam is nearly as scientific as Scientology.


@manama
Put down the remote and back away from the television.


Probably the laziest engineered Islamic-disconnect witnessed to date. You can do better.



Really, put down the remote...

How about you come back when you have actual arguments alright

 

[Karlysymon]

I don't know why Saudi Arabia is always mentioned when referencing Islam. There's nothing Islamic about it and having family there, I can tell you most citizens are culture driven.

Also there are mannny different faiths practised there. It's an expat hub.

Because its the cradle of Islam, i mean, it hosts the holiest site.
Its as eye-brow raising as atheism exploding in Vatican city. Like i said, the cradle of Judaism, Israel, is contending with the same thing...atheism.

 

[Haich]

Saudi Arabians have proved to be questionable guardians of the city of Mecca. Muslims are critical of their so-called 'Islamic sharia regime'.

Just because the land is blessed, doesn't mean the people automatically become the most devout Muslims. Like I said, modern day Arabia is a lot more cosmopolitan than we think.

 

[Haich]

An article expressing shock at the growth of atheism in Saudi Arabia is just as shocking as the growth of atheism in England. There is a conscious anti-God rhetoric being pumped into every medium possible and due to the increase of abundance in wealth , health and food in Saudi arabia and England, people feel they don't need God and are thus under the assumption they're self sufficient. As generations dwindle in their efforts at worship, you'll end up with the current crisis of faith both nations are experiencing. As a result of this, many from the younger generations grow up without the culture of mosques and churches and eventually abandon their faith altogether.

What exempts Islam from the vast decline Christianity has experienced in England, is it appeals to the desperate, destitute sinner. Christianity seems on the surface, a faith based on the arrogant notion of guaranteed salvation. Islam is based on logic, reason, belief but also, humility and sacrifice. In my city, we have had a huge influx of poor Eastern European workers and a vast majority of their female populace have converted to Islam. I'm talking about polish, Lithuanian, Romania, Bulgarian act... nations which have never really encountered a black or brown person, let alone a woman with a hijab and a man in a thobe. So where there's a decline, there's a rise in the West as people grow tired of this secular and oppressive way of living.

Before anyone starts spewing: GO BACK TO YA COUNTRY!! I was born and bred in the UK and love many aspects of it. Do i agree with its hypocritical politicians and Etonian rhetoric? Nope!

These Arabian were dirt poor not too long ago and were being sent resources from the horn of Africa. Ironically, this is when their faith was a little firmer as they saw a need for belief. Due to the oil boom and various international business ventures, the once poor nomads and shepherd are now living in palaces.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

We are recommended to fast twice a week, it's not just a holiday. And by fast, I don't mean drinking water and abstaining from food. Sorry, who notifies others when fasting in Islam? The month of Ramadan is announced and that's it.

Forgive me, Haich...I did not mean to insinuate that you (or Muslims in general) fast in order to be seen of men.

I was only trying to explain why Christians fast, and why it is not readily apparent that we do. It is kept secret for the most part.

Peace.

 

[irrationalNinja]

How about you come back when you have actual arguments alright

SJWs always project.

 

[Haich]

Forgive me, Haich...I did not mean to insinuate that you (or Muslims in general) fast in order to be seen of men.

I was only trying to explain why Christians fast, and why it is not readily apparent that we do. It is kept secret for the most part.

Peace.

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.

Peace be upon you.

 

[LostCoin]

Yusuf Estes is a good guy to listen to, especially if you're viewing God from a Christian/Catholic lens.

He recommends people read the Koine Greek words of the bible and discover for themselves, the root words of wholy debated terms. You'll see for yourselves how corrupted your book is.

Every Muslim learns the Arabic in the Qur'an to enable them to read the direct word of God. You can recite any verse and you'll find people from all over the globe, with absolutely no cultural, lingual or geographical commonalities, reciting the word of God with absolute accuracy.

Please bring forth a Christian who can recite the bible in Aramaic or Koine Greek. Do yourselves a favour and stop reading it in English because the meaning has not only been distorted, it's been incredibly misconstrued.

Hello Haich,

Please know that it is entirely possible for Christians to read the Bible in Aramaic and Koine Greek. I have used a concordance to study the Bible for over 20 years. You can research: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible. It literally cross-references every single word in the Bible (except incidental words like "the", "a", "and", etc) and you can review the original text in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.

 

[LostCoin]

Genuine question to the Christians- Why do you study the bible in English if Jesus spoke Aramaic? Surely the language of revelation should be taught?

I'm not well versed on the history of the bible but I've always found it odd that only the English copies were studied.

Well, because Aramaic is a "dead" language, no one in modern times speaks it, so there is no one to "teach" it (however, there are plenty of scholars of ancient languages who actually can read and understand Aramaic). You are able to learn Arabic, as it is very much a live language, therefore, it is easy to obtain and read a copy of the Quran written in its native language.

There are actually fully Hebrew translations of the Bible (again, because Hebrew is not a dead language), as there are fully Greek translations of the Bible....the Bible has been translated in every living language on Earth, not just English!!

The argument that the Bible cannot be trusted due to translation is not valid. The translations happened through scholars, and have been EXHAUSTIVELY researched, and documented for centuries. It's not like one man or even group of men conspired together, century after century to purposefully mis-translate it. The original texts and manuscripts still exist, and can be reviewed and verified by experts who still study dead languages. You can read a Bible written 300 years ago, and it will say the SAME EXACT thing that today's Bibles do; while the vernacular may get rearrranged, it does not damage the inherent meaning contained in the passage. For instance, perhaps it was common 200 years ago to say "To the mercantile I will go", and today we would say "I am going to the store." The inherent message is the same, just a different idiom to say it. Bottom line is that it's actually not that hard to verify the meaning of English translated words from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek - it is called a "Bible concordance" and they have been in use for centuries. Mine is about 3" thick, and contains over 1800 pages of words and definitions as they are written in their native language. Pastors and teachers use them all the time to drill down on original words to help modern day audiences understand the nuances of ancient wording in the Bible. For example, in English, we have only one word to say "love", but the ancient Greek "phileo" (to love) had subtle differences depending on the context used.

Interestingly enough, it is only "lay people" who are not language experts that loudly protest the accuracy of the Bible through translation. No RECOGNIZED EXPERTS are on record as having significant concerns or doubts about the accuracy of the translations - and you can be assured that they comprise a huge cross-section of people over years and years of work, from Jewish scholars (who reject the Christian doctrines, so they have no interest in a Christian agenda) to fully atheist or agnostic folks who are simply language experts with no religious agenda whatsoever.

Finally, using your argument, I could never actually trust an English translation of the Quran, so I would only be able to profit from it if I could become fluent in Arabic and then read it in its original language.

 

[LostCoin]

"What exempts Islam from the vast decline Christianity has experienced in England, is it appeals to the desperate, destitute sinner. Christianity seems on the surface, a faith based on the arrogant notion of guaranteed salvation. Islam is based on logic, reason, belief but also, humility and sacrifice. In my city, we have had a huge influx of poor Eastern European workers and a vast majority of their female populace have converted to Islam. I'm talking about polish, Lithuanian, Romania, Bulgarian act... nations which have never really encountered a black or brown person, let alone a woman with a hijab and a man in a thobe. So where there's a decline, there's a rise in the West as people grow tired of this secular and oppressive way of living."

 

[LostCoin]

I read your comment here - and it actually brings me to a genuine question (and literally the MOST IMPORTANT ONE): What is Islam's answer to my sin? I.e., what do I do about all my sin and its consequences when I stand before a Holy and perfect God?? I know Christianity's answer, but I would like to understand how Islam deals with this problem. You state above that Islam is based on "logic, reason and belief" (all shared traits with Christianity), "but also, humility and sacrifice". What is the specific doctrine regarding cancellation of my sin so that I may come into the prescence of a Holy God?? Do I point to my humility and sacrifice as being enough for total forgiveness?? Genuinely curious. All other topics are really moot until we establish the answer to this question.

PS, I would never tell you or anyone else to "GO BACK TO YA COUNTRY", as that is disrespectful and hateful, two things that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would advise against.

PPS - I am new to the forums, but not VC site. Your post caught my eye, so I hopped on here to check it out. I am a respectful and humble person, and will treat you accordingly (full disclosure, I am a Christian). Also, please know, I am really super busy, not a lot of spare time, so it could take me a day or two to see your responses (if any). Please try to keep them fairly bite-sized, lol, without paragraph after paragraph and multiple links, since like I said, I have a day job and not much spare time, lol. Thanks!

 

[Karlysymon]

An article expressing shock at the growth of atheism in Saudi Arabia is just as shocking as the growth of atheism in England. There is a conscious anti-God rhetoric being pumped into every medium possible and due to the increase of abundance in wealth , health and food in Saudi arabia and England, people feel they don't need God and are thus under the assumption they're self sufficient. As generations dwindle in their efforts at worship, you'll end up with the current crisis of faith both nations are experiencing. As a result of this, many from the younger generations grow up without the culture of mosques and churches and eventually abandon their faith altogether.

I agree

What exempts Islam from the vast decline Christianity has experienced in England, is it appeals to the desperate, destitute sinner. Christianity seems on the surface, a faith based on the arrogant notion of guaranteed salvation. Islam is based on logic, reason, belief but also, humility and sacrifice.

Islam has been around for the last 1400yrs, where was the appeal to the desperate, destitute Westerner in centuries past, enough to register the exponential growth that we've witnessed in the last 50-80yrs? Its not like the West was completely closed off from the Arab world.

In my city, we have had a huge influx of poor Eastern European workers and a vast majority of their female populace have converted to Islam. I'm talking about polish, Lithuanian, Romania, Bulgarian act... nations which have never really encountered a black or brown person, let alone a woman with a hijab and a man in a thobe. So where there's a decline, there's a rise in the West as people grow tired of this secular and oppressive way of living.

Yes, stats do show that more women than men are converting to Islam. Iam still trying to figure out why that is.

Christianity's decline is attributable to a myriad of factors. Like you said, affluence and religion/spirituality have an inverse relationship

What I found interesting was the partial placing of blame for the decline, by the former AfD party member who converted to Islam, on "structural changes" such as women ordination and gay ministers (evidently hot-button issues) in Protestantism. I totally agree with him and those are changes that Islam is seemingly immune to but have turned out to be subversive to Christendom.

Edit: His grievance in a nutshell;

"The murder of God is precisely what the feminist has in mind. Feminist Naomi Goldenberg has stated: “[T]he feminist movement in Western culture is engaged in the slow execution of Christ and Jehovah. Yet very few of the women and men now working for sexual equality within Christianity and Judaism realize the extent of their heresy” Synopsizing the feminist objective of deicide, Goldenberg declares: “We women are going to bring an end to God”

 

[Haich]

Islam has been around for the last 1400yrs, where was the appeal to the desperate, destitute Westerner in centuries past, enough to register the exponential growth that we've witnessed in the last 50-80yrs? Its not like the West was completely closed off from the Arab world.

The westerner and the West have orientalised Islam. It's an ideology which challenges concepts such as capitalism, democracy and gives rights the the people. Islam would completely lame and destabilise 'The free world' so it has only been embraced (by) and appealed to people who are seeking an alternative and moral path to God.

That a not to say Christianity lacks morality, I just think your faith has been hijacked and used by many a corrupt individuals and Islam is only going through that process now. However, it's thriving despite the media bias and islamaphobia propagated via global media.

Westerners have always battled with the Muslims. Over spices, over land, over lesdership and over faith. This tension between east and west predates islam and during islam's existence, many components both politcal and historical have and still prevent it from dominating the west. Those who control the narrative have always swayed western perspectives and indoctrinated them into believing Islam was and still is a threat.

 

[Karlysymon]

The westerner and the West have orientalised Islam. It's an ideology which challenges concepts such as capitalism, democracy and gives rights the the people. Islam would completely lame and destabilise 'The free world' so it has only been embraced (by) and appealed to people who are seeking an alternative and moral path to God.

That a not to say Christianity lacks morality, I just think your faith has been hijacked and used by many a corrupt individuals and Islam is only going through that process now. However, it's thriving despite the media bias and islamaphobia propagated via global media.

Westerners have always battled with the Muslims. Over spices, over land, over lesdership and over faith. This tension between east and west predates islam and during islam's existence, many components both politcal and historical have and still prevent it from dominating the west. Those who control the narrative have always swayed western perspectives and indoctrinated them into believing Islam was and still is a threat.

I think the current growth rate will reach a crescendo and taper off, despite the fall out from 9/11, Islam has greatly benefitted from the bias, numbers-wise.

 

[Haich]

The arabization of Islam is the issue. Statistically speaking, the largest Muslim populace is Indonesia (I think!) and if we evaluate the reliability of collecting global data via such research methods, any researcher would tell you, accuracy is unachievable. There are remote nations for instance or people living in regions where data collection would be considered unreliable due to the rampancy of corruption. So whilst Christianity is considered to be the faith which has the greatest following, that fact could be contested.

Point is, there could be many dormant Muslims around the globe and the West for a long time now, hasn't been a God fearing region. So we should consider why God has been forgotten in the very civilisation which prides itself on advancement and yet is incredibly corrupt and morally destitute.