DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN IMPEACHED!!! WHAT NOW??

Thunderian

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Well since you don't understand to begin with, those "facts" are not facts. What's wrong with bringing up God in a discussion? Some people say nature is the cause of climate change, you say okay. Some people say man is the cause, you say okay. Some people think there's some demonic things going on, YOU SAY OKAY, but then..."I believe these are signs from God," you say, "WRONGWRONGWRONGWRONGWRONG-" before you say you never told me I was wrong, it's clear you disagree with me especially considering you're an atheist which is fine, to each his own I suppose but please don't talk to your friend about me including God with dark humor involved.

I never said, "Hey believe in God, this and that" all I said was I believe these are signs, and the events from the Bible is true and you know, Gods name alone seems to trigger people in a bad way for obvious reasons. Anyways, you didn't answer my question from my last comment.
I think it’s possible to have these discussions, while acknowledging your point of view, but without forcing people to argue the spiritual aspects of it. If someone doesn’t believe in God, what good will an argument have on them that takes God’s plan into account? It’s better for the sake of discussion if we stick with things we can all grasp. Does that make sense?

There IS a specific forum for spiritual discussions, as you know, and I’m one of those who thinks that’s for the best. I enjoy discussing events without having to wade through someone else’s wacky (to me) spiritual take, and I think it’s only fair that we who have the truth of Jesus Christ do the same for others. Forcing people to listen to the Gospel won’t win anyone over.
 

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Real quick, how is the economy crap?
Instead of playing the tired, old-hat stumbling and bumbling "Wh-wh-whu-what? Where? When and Why?' Dumbdarian routine, why dont you just ask an expert?
 

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As usual you chose to pick and choose which measures of the economy to harp on to support your view instead of the intellectually honest method of taking all measures into account to come up with a more accurate assessment..

Unemployment is down. The stock market is up (generally). True.

Underemployment is way up. Tons of people have entirely dropped out of the workforce which isn’t captured in unemployment numbers. Wages haven’t kept pace with inflation. And costs for basic life necessities are skyrocket, even surpassing inflation. Also all true.

The economy is great for a certain class of people, it absolutely sucks for everyone else.
The stock market is only "up" because of the artificial manipulation the Trump regime's FED is engaged in, such as the repo-scam and etc.

Dont let Dumbdarian float that crap, your arguments are too solid for him to deal with as we see here......
 

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Anecdotal evidence isn't very valuable. All the data shows that the debt problem isn't getting any better, despite a few of your friends' situations. And despite a slight uptick in wages, it's not keeping pace with expenses. The problems pre-dated Trump but he hasn't done much to fix them.

The low unemployment is good, but I can get a little wonky on you. We've been running a stimulus based economy with both expansive fiscal and monetary policy for Trump's entire presidency. When you run an economy with tax cuts, high government spending and keep interest rates low, you should spur economic growth in the short run. It's pretty irresponsible to run that type of economy for 4 straight years. You should have noticed Trump loses his shit everytime the Fed talks about raising interest rates and cutting off the funny money supply.
Those low-unemployment numbers are manipulated. Trump and co. aint smart enough to actually hide anything with those fudged figures, but it gives the MSM enough cover so the can return their "journalistic focus" to garbage like this impeachment trial or what the Royal Bunglers in the UK are up to......
 

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It may happen near the end of this year and plus people are being forced to get IDs which stops October 1rst this year. without this ID you cannot hardly pay your bills, go into certain buildings, and you will in fact have a hard time if you have a job, and there's a 2/10 chance you'd even get a job without this ID. This isn't the mark of the beast but it's a practice I'm sure. But this is probably one of the main things that will cause this, we already have a homeless crisis in America that for some reason isn't helping them when America is like...one of the richest countries.
Excellent post...... dont let anyone put you down due to your age. Your posts are valid and very much appreciated here......
 

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I literally can not believe any human being with even the slightest bit of intelligence or common sense would support this idiotic snipe hunt the Democrats have been on since the day Trump took office. What type of willful ignorance must a human being possess to not see that since literally the day Trump took office, Democrats, and the Mass Media have said specifically that they will impeach him.

The man could not have committed any crime within his first week or two in office and yet there were the Dems and their Propaganda Arm aka the Mass Media saying instantly they were going to impeach him. Then came the Russian hoax, 2 1/2 years of Dems and their Propaganda Arm telling Americans that Trump is in collusion with Russia to win the election. After 2 1/2 years, after all is said and done what do we actually find?

That if ANYONE was implicit in having the Russians interfere with the 2016 elections, it was the Democrats, Obama and Clinton, and we found out with zero doubts that absolutely no evidence was found that Trump or his Admin, or anyone tied to him, ever once had any dealings with Russia in the hopes to rig or influence the Election. However here we are with stupid people still believing the clearly Bias Democrats, and their clearly Bias Propaganda Arm, the Mass Media, when they tell them to believe that somehow Trump is guilty of Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine.

So we have the Dems and the Mass Media for months and months, in the papers, and on the TV telling America that Trump is guilty of Quid Pro Quo, that Trump tried to essentially exhort Ukraine, pressuring them to investigate Biden and hanging Money over their head in terms of Aid to force them to do it. Well WTF then, why isnt Trump being charged with QPQ in the Impeachment? WTF are you Dems? WTF are you Media, I heard daily all about Trump and QPQ and now you are not even charging him with it? Why?

Because it is all BS, because there is ZERO evidence of him actually doing ANYTHING close to QPQ, and again it baffels my mind how anyone with any type of intelligence can not see thru this insanity. If Trump WAS guilty of QPQ then guess what you idiots, they would have charged him with it, but they didnt, why? Because he is NOT GUILTY of doing it, just like he wasnt guilty of the Russian collusion conspiracies drummed up by the Dems and their Propaganda Arm, the Mass Media.

I am not in any shape or form some gun ho Pro Trump guy. I didnt vote for him in the last election, but you really have to be a complete moron not to realize that nothing the Dems or the Media have said since he took office is true. Just the simple fact that the Dems and the Media are so adamantly against the guy, when imo almost NONE of his actual policies that have been enacted have truly hurt America and us as a People, has taken someone who was literally against elections, and made it so that I will with zero doubts go vote for Trump because the Dems and their Propaganda Arm of the Mass Media have been caught themselves LYING over and over and over about literally everything they have had to say and accuse Trump of..

Here is literally what this BS Impeachment is, it is an outright play of the Nazis, which is to accuse your opposition of the crimes that you are committing. Joe Biden literally says on video, I as Vice President Strong Armed Ukraine, I 100% gave them an ultimatum, this was the literal definition of QUID PRO QUO. He says it, laughs about it, prides himself on it. Trump basically says, hey man we got Sleepy Joe out here saying that he committed a crime by withholding Aid from your previous administration, he is blatantly admitting that he was all about that QUID PRO QUO, you might want to check in on that, cuz it could be affecting your country.

Then the Dems and their Propaganda Arm of the Mass Media accuse Trump of doing WHAT BIDEN ACTUALLY ADMITTED TO DOING!!! Are you f'in kidding me? And you people buy this? Seriously if you even think there is the slightest truth to this impeachment BS from the Dems then you prove to me that your IQ is less than Sleepy Joe who is out here admitting on video to QUID PRO QUO!!!

Straight up, if I can not find you advocating for Sleepy Joe to be strung up, with the same furry and animosity that you idiots are going against Trump for doing NOTHING ILLEGAL, then it is self evident that you are not only and idiot, not only a moron, not only willfully ignorant, but you are the worst kind of hypocrite that exists.

The funniest thing about all of this, is that every single action the Dems and their Propaganda Arm, the Mass Media have done to bring down Trump has blown up in their face. These are literally the dumbest most ignorant group of Politicians I have ever seen in my life, like holy crap dummies, stop shooting yourselves in the foot constantly. Like are you all this retarded not to realize that there is basically ZERO people who were on the fence, who were not already HARD CORE DEMOCRAT LEFTIST SOCIALIST COMMIES, who have landed on your side of the election?

I am a prime example, while I may have never voted for a Dem, I was definitely a person who didnt want to vote, which would only help Dems, but now because of how the Dems and the Media have acted since day one of Trumps announcement to run, you have caused me to actually get up and vote against your lunacy. And I know I am not the only one who has reacted to this constant nonsense by being pushed to vote for Trump, if for anything to vote against these stupid moronic Dems.

I also can not grasp how on Earth anyone on this site would be so stupid to vote FOR the Dems. I am not saying vote FOR Trump, but if it is a known fact of this site that the Mass Media is the arm and tool of the Elite to further their Agenda towards a NWO or whatever ideology you want to stick in there for the Elite getting their way, and all day long on every station and paper, it is insanely clearly obvious that they are 100% bias against Trump, then how in the everloving crap can you possibly go along with ANYTHING they tell you to think, believe or vote? The Left is without a doubt the Elite Agenda having NWO end game, the Media, 99% of it, is 100% Left. They all hate Trump, they have been trying their literally damnedest to keep him out and then to drag him out of the Presidency. That alone OUGHT to tell you something, especially to those on this site that are "supposed" to be "woke"...

If you support the Left, if you support the impeachment, you need to actually wake up. As much as you would love to view yourself as so, you are not woke, you're fast asleep supporting the Political Agenda of the Elite you say you hate and are rebelling against so very much. In actuality you have simply been following along with their plan, you are nothing less than an useful idiot, as they themselves describe you...
So are you saying they should have impeached him for his actual crimes instead of this partisan, political theater?
 

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like people with Down Syndrome and other illnesses too!! x
Down Syndrome, mental retardation and etc...... I dont care what is said about those people. I believe they are the children of heaven, because they have never known sin and they only hate/dislike that which is wrong and/or hurtful. I think we have a LOT to learn from them, if we would open our hearts and minds.
 
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I think it’s possible to have these discussions, while acknowledging your point of view, but without forcing people to argue the spiritual aspects of it. If someone doesn’t believe in God, what good will an argument have on them that takes God’s plan into account? It’s better for the sake of discussion if we stick with things we can all grasp. Does that make sense?

There IS a specific forum for spiritual discussions, as you know, and I’m one of those who thinks that’s for the best. I enjoy discussing events without having to wade through someone else’s wacky (to me) spiritual take, and I think it’s only fair that we who have the truth of Jesus Christ do the same for others. Forcing people to listen to the Gospel won’t win anyone over.
Did you see any post of mine on this thread where I told people to believe in God? No, because I didn't. I didn't force anyone to do anything, I said I believe these are signs from God and that was it.
 

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Pompeo seems like the kind of guy who would cuss at a pushy liberal journalist. This doesn’t mean anything.
This is what happens when you run State like CIA. Pompeo is a fake Christian and a total dickhead. Do you think that a real Christian would even head the CIA, a job usually done by the banker class? A place where, in his own words, they were taught to "lie, cheat, and steal" as part of their training? I would think not. God has a place to send these hypocrites and deceivers. Also interesting that he states that "Americans don't care about Ukraine." If that's the case, then why are they giving them billions in taxpayer money. If the "American people don't care about Ukraine" and can't find it on a map why is the tax money going there for then. How does that benefit the American citizen? It doesn't. NO quid pro quo in that matter. It's just neocons raiding the US treasury again to keep up with their aims of Ukraine being "Israel east" via enabler ziocons...
 
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This is what happens when you run State like CIA. Pompeo is a fake Christian and a total dickhead. Do you think that a real Christian would even head the CIA, a job usually done by the banker class? A place where, in his own words, they were taught to "lie, cheat, and steal" as part of their training? I would think not. God has a place to send these hypocrites and deceivers. Also interesting that he states that "Americans don't care about Ukraine." If that's the case, then why are they giving them billions in taxpayer money. If the "American people don't care about Ukraine" and can't find it on a map why is the tax money going there for then. How does that benefit the American citizen? It doesn't. NO quid pro quo in that matter. It's just neocons raiding the US treasury again to keep up with their aims of Ukraine being "Israel east" via enabler ziocons...
 

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I’m surprised to see any level of support for trump or anyone else coming from you disciple. Hegelian dialect and all that. To believe he became president and a billionaire and isn’t also implicated in all the same bullshit as every other powerful person is a bit out of character for you... perhaps the media is successfully playing on YOUR emotions.
So as I stated I didnt support him, or vote for him. In the last election I couldnt fathom the idea that anyone other than Clinton could possibly win. She without a doubt IS the Elitist choice, she 100% supports the exact agenda that is being pushed and accepted thru out the rest of the World. She IS a Globalist, she backs all the issues that remove Society from Morals, Individuality, and a Countries Sovereignty. And I was and still am shocked that Trump became President, it has caused me to re evaluate some things Politically.

In that I mean, it has been and is obvious to anyone with half a brain that isnt brainwashed in Leftist Ideologies that Trump was HATED 100% by every Politician in the Game. He had literally zero support from the Political World. I watched as his campaign started (which I honestly believe was started partly in spite of D-bag Obama, and partly just as a thing to do, I dont think he really was invested or thought even he had a chance) and the ENTIRE Media, Left and Fox, all rallied against him. I watched as every Republican tried as hard as they could to dissuade him, to attack him, to downplay him and watched as they all literally united against him.

In my perspective absolutely no one wanted him as President, and THAT fact alone ought to make people, especially those who are into the Conspiracy aspect of the spectrum, take notice. And that is exactly what happened to me, it is telling when literally both sides of the aisle are united to reject a person. It was the same thing that happened with Ron Paul, the Media, Left and Fox, all the pundits, all the Politicians did everything they could to reduce his message, laugh off his ideas and shut down his exposure even tho in every single debate he was owning the stage.

The biggest difference between Trump and Paul is that Trump never once needed any backing from others, he is a Billionare, he spent millions and millions of his own money to support his run. If Paul had that kind of pockets then it would have been much more difficult to stop him. Regardless, I saw Trump with a Platform that was surrounded around Anti Globalist, Pro National Sovereignty, and Pro Morals, hated on by everyone in the Political World and everyone in the Media. Never thought he had a chance, but then he won, and I was stunned.

I dont think that Trump was arranged to BE in this position at all, he is so opposing to everything that the Globalist Agenda is, he was so hated by both sides, he still is absolutely lambasted daily by the Media (even tho he has hardly done anything deserving the attacks he has sustained, especially in light of the horrible BS Bush and Obama did) that there is no way this was some planned out thing. However I 100% believe that the Elite who control the Media ect, are using him to move their agenda forward via the Hegelian Dialectic.

They have made up so much BS via the Media and stupid people who believe the Media, that they have painted a False Portrait of who he is, and they have then used THAT False Portrait with all the lies they are pinning on him, liked him being a Nazi, White Nationalist, Racists, Homophobe, Xenophobe ect ect ect to be the opposite side of the Dialectic. Trump to anyone with sense, is NOT any of those things, 5-10 years ago everyone had zero problem with the man. It wasnt until he started upsetting the apple cart and screwing up the Elite Agenda that all the sudden all of these BS accusations started being launched against him.

I dont think he is by any means perfect, I am sure he is a Jackhole in many situations, but the fact is, the man isnt what the Media portrays him as. Beyond that his actual policies have done nothing but move America FORWARD in terms of the ideals he ran on, which IMO a President of a Country OUGHT to want for his Country to ascertain. The President of any Nation ought to want to defend the borders of their Country, only an ignorant Leader of a Country would want open borders. The President of any Nation ought to want to change the dynamics of their Countries Economy to make it stronger, to take it out of Trade Accords that are weakening it or that isnt benefiting it.

It is ONLY the ploy of Globalists to cause countries to enter into deals that weaken certain countries in hopes of proping up other countries. The fact is ALL Nations OUGHT to be out here trying to hustle for the deal that makes THEIR Country the strongest, that benefits their Country the most. The President of any Nation OUGHT to defend its Nation when they are attacked, it is only weak backed Presidents that allow ambassadors of their country to be murdered by another Nation and do nothing about it.

Trumps actions in office have shown 2 things clearly, one that he is FOR American Sovereignty, independence and to become the Worlds most powerful Economy and Military might, beyond the shadow of a doubt. That is something every President and Leader of a Nation OUGHT to be trying to do. Two is that Trump is without a doubt is not being endorsed by the Global Elitists, if he was then we wouldnt be in the middle of an Impeachment that has been toted as coming since the day he took office. If Trump was truly sanctioned and wanted by the Globalist Elite, then he would be free to commit actual crimes non stop unfettered like both Bush and Obama were allowed. The 2 most corrupt Presidents probably in the History of America, with bodies and scandals all over the place, with concrete evidence of their illegality, and yet even now when Obamas crimes are coming to light, they get away scott free, they are not even spoken of by the Media as being corrupt.

Yet here we have Trump who is NOT doing anything illegal, being brought up on BS charges because he stands in the way of the Globalist Elites. So the only way Trump is fitting into the Dialectic is that they have used him to create a living Strawman, to pin BS on that he either hasnt done or doesnt exist, so they can use that as the Anti Thesis in hopes of continuing their Agenda. To be honest as I said before, their plans are only shooting them in the foot. Their only hope at this point is that they will continue to poision the minds of the youth and America so that in 2024 the brainwashed idiots on the Left will have enough numbers to vote in whatever Communist AntiChrist Leader that will be so far Left, they will be able to bring America to its knees and back on track with their Globalist Agenda.

As for Biden, string him up too. If he gets the nomination I’ll be just as upset as if trump wins again. I am under no delusion that he is innocent. But we have our own intelligence system that should have been used to investigate that if it was truly a matter of protecting the nation.
So who exactly do you think is less guilty of Political Treason than Trump that is in the race? Pence? You gonna be ok with him in office and winning it in 2020? Warren and Sanders literally have spent their entire lives in Politics and they have done absolutely nothing to change the status quo. Trump has actually delievered on what he ran on, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with what he ran on, he did something pretty much no other President in my lifetime has done. Run on a platform with concrete solutions and plans and then get them done, and he has done it with literally the entire Media against him and a Congress that is constantly more worried about making up BS to get him out of office than trying to fix the problems we have in our Nation. Just think of what Trump could accomplish if the Media was on his jock like they were with Obama and Congress wasnt on a 24/7 witch hunt to bring him down...

As for your statement about what Trump has done, I too am under no delusion about the situation, Trump did NOTHING WRONG. I would take your statement serious, your supposed concern serious if I saw you for the past 8 years railing to have Obama investigated and impeached for doing LITERALLY THE SAME THING, which he did MULTIPLE TIMES or worse. Literally every single President in our lifetimes have done similar or the exact same thing Trump actually did, which is simply speak to a Foreign Leader about possible corruption in their or a previous Administration that could have caused an issue with America.

You are being willfully ignorant if you think one Trump did something wrong and two that Trump did something that every other President hasnt done at somepoint in their Administration. This is literally a non issue, which would of course stay a non issue if the Globalist Elite didnt have a hard on to get him out because he wont get down with their Agenda. I have read many of your posts on this site for the better part of a decade and no where did I notice you calling for the impeachment of Obama, even tho it is clear that he committed literal actual crimes while in office. I dont take you seriously in your attempts to talk about Trump because you didnt care in the least when Obama was out here actually committing High Crimes and Treason.

If there was someone else on this site, who I saw for years crying for Obama to be impeached, and then they try and make a case about us having "our own intelligence system that should have been used to investigate that if it was truly a matter of protecting the nation" then I maybe, or might take them serious, but you are a Leftist and never once did I see you call for Obama to be impeached or thrown in Jail. Please quote me you wanting to see him and his Admin in Jail and link me to which crime he committed that you believe he needs to be jailed for now...

Trump himself has not denied the allegations against him
Really? Why would someone care about denying things that are LEGAL to do? Jess I want to put you in Jail for going thru a green light, would you deny that you did that, or would you deny that going thru the green light is illegal?

And sorry but when they made PINPOINT allegations against him, the whole QUID PRO QUO, he 100% denied it and then gave evidence that NO ONE in the actual conversation believed that QUID PRO QUO was in play or took place. So they changed the narrative and charges, to some stupid vague non descript charge so they could have a better chance of getting it thru the House. You are again willfully ignorant if you think Trump didnt deny that he was in the midst of Quid Pro Quo...

Abuse of power IS quid pro quo, it’s the legal term that covers it. You shouldn’t be surprised that it isn’t written that way since quid pro quo isn’t legal terminology.
Then why Jess did they originally TRY and start the Impeachment proceedings with that exact terminology? Why Jess was it in the MIDDLE of the impeachment in the House investigation that they SWITCHED the charges, terminology and narrative. Again I would believe you IF they didnt spend months trying to pin that EXACT CHARGE on Trump and then SWITCHED it in the middle of the proceedings, why? Because they literally CAN NOT support and bring legit evidence that Quid Pro Quo actually happened, so they changed it to an absurdly broad charge in hopes of finding something that will fit and stick.

Regardless everyone knows this was BS and all it has done is destroyed any chance the Dems had to win the Presidency in 2020, and more than likely will cause them to lose the House as well. If I was on the Left like you are, I would be so incredibly pissed at this Congress for how they have screwed everything up. There is a good chance they have ruined your chance to see a Democrat in office for the next decade....
 

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Trump is owned by Rothschild, inc. Who do you think bailed him out? Why do you think he flashed the same hand-sign that Merkel does? That's why Wilbur Ross is COMMERCE Secretary. He's Rothschild's man in the machine.

He's also beholden to Adelson, Singer, and Marcus which has translated into Adelson getting just about everything he wanted out of Trump, Singer the vulture capitalist now exporting our technology abroad, and Marcus, Home Depot founder who referred to Iran in an interview as "the Devil." He's bought and paid for from top to bottom by zionista billionaires. Beyond dispute.

https://lobelog.com/trump-has-a-259-million-reason-to-bomb-iran/ via @lobelog ok
I'm surprised more people didn't foresee him winning. I had him a 2-1 favorite 3 months out and 3-1 a month out. It wasn't hard to see. I knew Hillary wouldn't get elected. All her baggage, saying she would puta no-fly zone over Syria (guaranteeing friction with Russia), and saying she would go to war with Iran (after what she did in Libya) did her in. The most troubling part about her whole campaign, what with all the aforementioned things along with all the primary and debate rigging is that her predominately female followers didn't care about any of it. Like some kind of cult. Who knew that the liberal left would so mindlessly follow a confirmed warmonger promising more war? Times a changin'...
 
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Daciple... that is a whole lot of writing that I don’t have the will to go through point by point. You are, as always, entitled to your opinion but after knowing you for ten-ish years I will say I’m a bit surprised that you of all people have been caught up in his game/con/whatever u want to call it..

Trump is playing a role. For as much as republicans claim to hate him they sure as hell stand behind him on everything. It’s not real, it’s for the benefit of people like you and me who are fed up with politicians and they know it so they gave us someone who said the right things to impress but is doing exactly what they want anyway. He is a billionaire businessman with business interests all over the globe.. that is the definition of a globalist.

I’m not sure why you think he financed his own campaign. That is demonstrably false.. just google his donors. @UnderAlienControl just led you in the right direction.

As for obama.. I did not vote for him. Not once. I was convinced he was the antichrist for a while. The time period from 2008-2016 I was a bit busy to follow politics so closely, sorry. Whatever obama did that was so horrible wasn’t exactly in your face either. Trump makes things hard to ignore.

The first and only time I voted was in 2016. And that was spurred by voting against trump. Not because the media told me to. How you said no one cared or had a problem with him 5 or 10 years ago.. that isn’t true. Tons of people in the NY/NJ area have had a serious problem with him for a very long time, we are the ones who have had to “live with” him. I’ve had a serious problem with him for a very long time.

Sanders has been in politics his whole life. Hard to get things done when you are all alone, the way our government works. He’s still been legislatively busy despite that. Warren on the other hand has only been in “politics” since 2012. In 2008 she set up a consumer protection agency which has successfully returned billions of dollars to Americans. Not sure the “do nothing” accusation actually fits for either of them.
 
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