Do you believe secular Jewish state of Israel is prophesied in the Bible?

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Don't forget that Jews do not agree with your religion. They believe Jesus was a criminal and deserved to die. This is in their Talmud. They believe that you worshipping Jesus makes you an idol worshipper and according to their law you would be condemned to death. They believe you do not have a soul and cannot have one, and the most perverse and degenerate Jew has a more righteous soul than you could ever have. They believe you were created to serve as a slave to them, at that when their moshiach comes all gentiles will be slaves of the Jews
And the strangest part about this is that one of the most constant themes of the Old Testament (Tanakh) IS "don't worship idols, it's wrong".

And of course, as my signature says:

“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?"
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20 minutes and not once did they open up the Bible to disprove the biblical claims that are made. Maybe you could tell me why that is...
I mean I've seen the video, and this one was more of an introduction to the group. Apparently they're doing another where they go into detail as to why the HBI are not who they say they are.
 





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Ok let’s start here and with the Ezekiel verse that says before they enter the land all rebels will be purged from their midst. How am I “wrong” concerning that happening BEFORE (not after) them entering the land?
I’m not sure what verse you are talking about here. It seems from reading the above verses Ezekiel 36:1-21 that God talks about scattering them to other nations, which is what happened and then in verse 22 talks about bringing them back, not for them, but for Himself. I don’t see where the problem is.

Let’s not start with me then. Let’s start with Colombo.
You want to talk about this guy?
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Why was he in the Americas looking for Israelites and Israel when it should have been common knowledge (according to you) that Israel is in the Middle East?
I know Colombo was a detective and all, but I never heard of him going to the Americas looking for Israelites...
But you must have had a typo and meant Columbus? Idk why Columbus thought going to the Americas was going to find him the Jewish homeland...maybe he was deceived by the pope or something?

Or if not there then Deuteronomy 28 where it says the curses will lie on the descendants of the Israelites. We could also go thru that and compare that to who I say the Israelites are vs who you say the Israelites are. Doubt you take up the offer but it’s there
We could but it still wouldn’t matter that much since the Jews are back in the land that God gave them and the end times scenario’s are playing out, so then what takes precedence in this case? Curses that I’m not sure of since you didn’t give scripture references, or the fact that Daniel the prophet talks about Israel having sacrifices for 3 1/2 years in the end times? Which for that to happen they have to be in their land, they have to have a temple, they have to have priests and its all going to be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Jerusalem which is God’s city, not any city in America. You don’t really understand the Bible as much as you think you do and because of that you are wrong in what you believe, sorry.
 





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But the establishment of the third temple will be the beginning of the anti-christ's establishment of his kingdom of earth.
The anti christ spirit is already at work in the world..probably because of who the ruler of the world is.

Don't forget that Jews do not agree with your religion. They believe Jesus was a criminal and deserved to die. This is in their Talmud. They believe that you worshipping Jesus makes you an idol worshipper and according to their law you would be condemned to death. They believe you do not have a soul and cannot have one, and the most perverse and degenerate Jew has a more righteous soul than you could ever have. They believe you were created to serve as a slave to them, at that when their moshiach comes all gentiles will be slaves of the Jews
You forget they had Him killed, the religious leaders started it, but it was the crowd shouting Barrabas that sealed it...

They can believe all they want..doesn’t cancel out what God has told us does it? Nothing cancel’s out what God says. And God says a lot..and in the end they will believe in their God again.
Romans‬ ‭11:11, 15, 23-25‬ ‭
I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
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I don't deny that Israel is significant to the end times, but people have different ideas of what will occur.
They are very significant, the bickering and the wars in the M.E. having to do with Israel just existing is end times, so why do we wonder if they are the real Jews? If they weren’t real, no one would care.
 





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I’m not sure what verse you are talking about here.
Don’t worry, I can post it again....


Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

My reading of this verse has God saying that He will gather Israel out of the lands He scattered them to but before they enter the land the rebellious of them will be purged and will not be allowed to enter the land. Yet today we look up and see gay parades,racism, freemasonry symbols/idolatry. In other words, by you saying it’s prophecy fulfilled, you’re calling God a liar as the rebellious HAVE seen the land. So what about my interpretation of Ez. 20 is “wrong”?
But you must have had a typo and meant Columbus? Idk why Columbus thought going to the Americas was going to find him the Jewish homeland...maybe he was deceived by the pope or something?
Sometimes I like to call the guy Colombo. But anyways, No, it’s not that Colombo was deceived but that he had a better understanding than you do. And so did the pope. Just because they choose to fool the world doesn’t mean they don’t actually know the truth. And that’s just Colombo. There were others likeEldad the Danite who claimed that there was an independent Israelite tribe in Africa living amongst each other. I say all that to say that the history you think you know is a lie. Which is why they can’t find any proof of David or Solomon in the Middle East.


Oh ok. I was talking about Deuteronomy 28. For reference the 46th verse says that the curses in Deuteronomy would be a SIGN on the descendants of Israel. So what I’m proposing is that we go thru the curses and compare them to who you say the Israelites and who I say.

The convo would go further than you continuously bringing up Ezekiel 36 as if I haven’t already given my stance on that verse.
 





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I mean I've seen the video, and this one was more of an introduction to the group. Apparently they're doing another where they go into detail as to why the HBI are not who they say they are.
I don’t care about the 501c3 controller HBI. A point I’ve made clear to the person who posted the video. The information is more important to me. Let’s not distract away from the topic to talk about controlled opposition.

Like if we’re going to talk about the topic then let’s dive into how slaves were saying Hebrew words like “massa” and “kumbaya”.
 





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Don’t worry, I can post it again....


Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

My reading of this verse has God saying that He will gather Israel out of the lands He scattered them to but before they enter the land the rebellious of them will be purged and will not be allowed to enter the land. Yet today we look up and see gay parades,racism, freemasonry symbols/idolatry. In other words, by you saying it’s prophecy fulfilled, you’re calling God a liar as the rebellious HAVE seen the land. So what about my interpretation of Ez. 20 is “wrong”?


Sometimes I like to call the guy Colombo. But anyways, No, it’s not that Colombo was deceived but that he had a better understanding than you do. And so did the pope. Just because they choose to fool the world doesn’t mean they don’t actually know the truth. And that’s just Colombo. There were others likeEldad the Danite who claimed that there was an independent Israelite tribe in Africa living amongst each other. I say all that to say that the history you think you know is a lie. Which is why they can’t find any proof of David or Solomon in the Middle East.




Oh ok. I was talking about Deuteronomy 28. For reference the 46th verse says that the curses in Deuteronomy would be a SIGN on the descendants of Israel. So what I’m proposing is that we go thru the curses and compare them to who you say the Israelites and who I say.

The convo would go further than you continuously bringing up Ezekiel 36 as if I haven’t already given my stance on that verse.
Looking at the Ezekiel 20 passage, it seems to me that there will be a purging and sifting of Israel before they come into the fullness of what God has for them. This seems to echo Israel going in to the time of Jacob’s Trouble followed later by the return of the Lord, judgement of those on the earth and the righteous going on into the Millennial Kingdom.

But that’s just me @KoncreteMind ;-)
 





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Don’t worry, I can post it again....


Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

My reading of this verse has God saying that He will gather Israel out of the lands He scattered them to but before they enter the land the rebellious of them will be purged and will not be allowed to enter the land. Yet today we look up and see gay parades,racism, freemasonry symbols/idolatry. In other words, by you saying it’s prophecy fulfilled, you’re calling God a liar as the rebellious HAVE seen the land. So what about my interpretation of Ez. 20 is “wrong”?


Sometimes I like to call the guy Colombo. But anyways, No, it’s not that Colombo was deceived but that he had a better understanding than you do. And so did the pope. Just because they choose to fool the world doesn’t mean they don’t actually know the truth. And that’s just Colombo. There were others likeEldad the Danite who claimed that there was an independent Israelite tribe in Africa living amongst each other. I say all that to say that the history you think you know is a lie. Which is why they can’t find any proof of David or Solomon in the Middle East.




Oh ok. I was talking about Deuteronomy 28. For reference the 46th verse says that the curses in Deuteronomy would be a SIGN on the descendants of Israel. So what I’m proposing is that we go thru the curses and compare them to who you say the Israelites and who I say.

The convo would go further than you continuously bringing up Ezekiel 36 as if I haven’t already given my stance on that verse.
Ah...I thought you were talking about the verses before the ones I quoted and was confused...ok.
So, obviously the verses you are talking about hasn’t happened yet, He’s regathered His people and their judgement is at a later time, after the abomination of desolation.

No Koncrete, you are wrong again..idk why they wanted to search for the Jews in all the wrong places but what you’re basing your theory upon, just isn’t true. The pope wouldn’t have a clue to what is true in the Bible and he didn’t teach the truth either..deceivers deceiving and being deceived.

As for Deuteronomy 28..haven’t the Jews been through all the curses. They’ve had a pretty hard life as a group. They had kings who were for God and not, they had a time period where they did what they thought was right, they were enslaved..what hasn’t been done to these people? God scattered them and they roamed the earth and they were spit upon and derided wherever they went. Then not so long ago they were tortured and killed in concentration camps where God used the horrible in that to bring them back into their land after all that time. Which in the verses that you hate that I keep brining up tells us why He did it. Which is why I bring it up. Otherwise there is no explanation for why they are back in their land, except really if you read anything about the abomination of desolation you will understand that the Jews have to be back in their land and a new temple for that to even happen....so we can also say they have to be back in their land for prophecy to be fulfilled.
 





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Well just as you shouldn’t be looking for “what’s me”, I’m not looking for what’s “you”.
Together BOTH of us should be looking for what he Creator says.

And He CLEARLY AND STRAIGHTFORWARDLY said that the rebels would NOT see the land. Yet your argument is that the land where we can see rebels is proof of prophecy being fulfilled. From where I stand, y’all don’t believe what God says until He’s confirming what you want to believe. When Hes not you’re rearranging His words like here
 





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So, obviously the verses you are talking about hasn’t happened yet
How can you say a prophecy that is said to happen right before the prophecy you says has happened, “hasn’t happened yet”?


No Koncrete, you are wrong again..idk why they wanted to search for the Jews in all the wrong places but what you’re basing your theory upon,
All the wrong places based on who exactly?

And if you don’t know why there, do you know why Egyptian artifacts have been found in Illinois and the Grand Canyon? With the Grand Canyon allegedly have a descendant or someone named “Zaphnath”? How come the only stone tablets of the commandments ever found in the world in were found in America? And in Hebrew?

As for Deuteronomy 28..haven’t the Jews been through all the curses.
Actually that’s what we’re trying to figure out. So let’s go from modern times. What curse does the holocaust for the “Jews” fit and what curse does slavery fit for so called blacks?

God scattered them
They weren’t forcibly scattered to the ends of the earth that’s for sure. The only people that could lay claim to that is “black” people. You can find “black” people in a variety of places like Brazil, Peru, Mexico, Colombia, Europe, there’s Afro Russians, Asians, etc... Nobody can be found in that variety of places other than blacks. And that’s because a certain tribe of black people are the real Israelites. Hopefully you took note of what happened to Egypt once the Israelites left Egypt.

Which in the verses that you hate
No what I hate is when people willingly twist scripture to make it say something it doesn’t. God says that A then B then C will happen and you say B can come first then maybe C twice then A. That’s not how it works. God said the rebels wouldn’t enter the land after He gathered the Israelites, while you say God gathered the rebels and let them into the land. That’s a clear reason why you and the religion you represent are not to believed by anyone wanting anything to do with the Bible.
 





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How can you say a prophecy that is said to happen right before the prophecy you says has happened, “hasn’t happened yet”?
The prophecy is that they will be brought back in their land, and so they have. They also won’t know God still is also true because they will build a temple..so they are back in their land and don’t know God yet. Then what is going to happen in that God will bring them back to Himself..so ya, I can say that God will bring them back into the land, but His bringing them back to Himself hasn’t happened yet.

All the wrong places based on who exactly?
The Bible..why would the Jews be in America when that’s not where their land is located?

And if you don’t know why there, do you know why Egyptian artifacts have been found in Illinois and the Grand Canyon? With the Grand Canyon allegedly have a descendant or someone named “Zaphnath”? How come the only stone tablets of the commandments ever found in the world in were found in America? And in Hebrew?
I have no idea..that doesn’t mean its the Jews homeland though. Is Egypt close to the US, because God brought Israel out of Egypt, or are you gonna say they came out of town that might be named Egypt in the US?

Actually that’s what we’re trying to figure out. So let’s go from modern times. What curse does the holocaust for the “Jews” fit and what curse does slavery fit for so called blacks?
Well, the Jews have been scattered and have been a by word everywhere they’ve gone. They are still looked down upon to this day...seems Biblical to me. Idk, what black slavery has to do with this convo.

They weren’t forcibly scattered to the ends of the earth that’s for sure.
They sure weren’t living in the land God gave them anymore, so ya, they were scattered everywhere, even to America...

No what I hate is when people willingly twist scripture to make it say something it doesn’t.
I thought that’s what you’ve been doing..Israel in America and all?
 





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The prophecy is that they will be brought back in their land
A. I will gather israel
B. I will meet Israel in the wilderness face to face
C. I will purge the rebels from their midst
D. The rest of Israel will enter the land

Maybe if I put it like this you’ll explain how you can skip over B and C when God said it would happen in the order of ABCD...

The Bible..
Prove it then.
I have no idea..
Exactly. You don’t know history beyond what you were spoonfed by liars in school.

Idk, what black slavery has to do with this convo.
Being taken to a place on ships to be enslaved is a Deuteronomy curse. One that blacks fit but the ashkenazi japhetites do not

I thought that’s what you’ve been doing..Israel in America and all?
What you think is irrelevant. What matters is what you can prove. And you haven’t brought much to support your narrative on Israel being in the Middle East.
 





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A. I will gather israel
B. I will meet Israel in the wilderness face to face
C. I will purge the rebels from their midst
D. The rest of Israel will enter the land
Thanks for putting it like that..that was what happened in Genesis with Moses...can’t you see it?

Is Egypt and Damascus close to the US?

You don’t know history beyond what you were spoonfed by liars in school.
How do you know that you aren’t the one who’s deceived?

Being taken to a place on ships to be enslaved is a Deuteronomy curse.
O good God! Really? I think that’s a human curse of sin...

What you think is irrelevant. What matters is what you can prove. And you haven’t brought much to support your narrative on Israel being in the Middle East.
Not really irrelevant, just trying to help you out.

Only the Bible that centers around countries and cities in the ME..
 





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Thanks for putting it like that..that was what happened in Genesis with Moses...can’t you see it?
Moses was dead when Ezekiel was alive. So God saying to Ezekiel that:

A. I will gather israel
B. I will meet Israel in the wilderness face to face
C. I will purge the rebels from their midst
D. The rest of Israel will enter the land

Was all future tense not past tense. So again I ask how you can skip over B and C and say A/D were fulfilled when God (not KM) said it would happen in order from A to BCD?


Is Egypt and Damascus close to the US?
I asked you to prove or bring support for what you said

How do you know that you aren’t the one who’s deceived?
That’s the thing. I’m on a journey to the truth. I’m not there yet. I don’t pretend to have all the answers because I have a book in front of me.

The difference between me and you is I can point out WHY I believe what I believe. You can’t. Which is why when I ask you to prove something you bring no information. I can bring you verifiable information of reasons why I believe what I do. Why is the Bible set in the Middle East? Using the Bible can you show why the people you say are Israelites are? Bring information and not your words if you’re really trying to “help”.

O good God! Really? I think that’s a human curse of sin...
It’s not a human curse to sin then be transported to another nation to be oppressed for 400 years. That’s a Deuteronomy curse that is specifically in regards to the descendants of the Israelites. If I’m wrong point out two other groups who went thru something similar since everyone sins according to your belief system

Not really irrelevant, just trying to help you out.

Only the Bible that centers around countries and cities in the ME..
The only way you’re going to help is if you bring something other than your words. What’s the proof that the Bible happened where you say it did? What’s the biblical proof of the people you say are Jews actually are? Again if you’re really trying to “help” bring me information and not your words
 





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Moses was dead when Ezekiel was alive. So God saying to Ezekiel that:

A. I will gather israel
B. I will meet Israel in the wilderness face to face
C. I will purge the rebels from their midst
D. The rest of Israel will enter the land

Was all future tense not past tense. So again I ask how you can skip over B and C and say A/D were fulfilled when God (not KM) said it would happen in order from A to BCD?
That is what happened in Genesis when God sent Moses...and God even goes back through what He did for Israel with Moses to say that He is going to do that again. I think He’s done that with them multiple times so its not strange that He would do that again, however, I think Ezekiel 36 speaks more towards that then the verses in chapter 20. Because God says He will regather them not for their sakes God was about to act but for His. They profane His name and He knows it. That’s why I think that Ezekiel 36 is more in line than Ezekiel 20 is for this day and age.

I asked you to prove or bring support for what you said
I am, is Egypt or Damascus close to the US?

That’s the thing. I’m on a journey to the truth. I’m not there yet. I don’t pretend to have all the answers because I have a book in front of me.

The difference between me and you is I can point out WHY I believe what I believe. You can’t. Which is why when I ask you to prove something you bring no information. I can bring you verifiable information of reasons why I believe what I do. Why is the Bible set in the Middle East? Using the Bible can you show why the people you say are Israelites are? Bring information and not your words if you’re really trying to “help”.
I am pointing things out to you, but you only want to believe what you believe and aren’t interested in anything else. I’ll help you even more..the US isn’t close to Egypt or Damascus, but Israel is. In the New Testament, God brought Israel out of Egypt and had them walking from Egypt to where God showed them the promised land. Can one walk from Egypt to the US? No, one can’t. Can you see how you twist scripture to suit what you believe? Can one walk from the US to Damascus? That’s where Paul was when He met Jesus. He went from Israel to Damascus..is that close to the US? How about any of the cities on Paul’s missionary journey’s..are they close to the US? You’re reasoning doesn’t add up to geography.

It’s not a human curse to sin then be transported to another nation to be oppressed for 400 years. That’s a Deuteronomy curse that is specifically in regards to the descendants of the Israelites. If I’m wrong point out two other groups who went thru something similar since everyone sins according to your belief system
Lots of nations have conquered other nations and have enslaved people. The black man being sold into slavery is nothing new, I’m sorry. I’m not going to try to look through history to find other claims of slavery, but know that slavery has existed all through history. Biblically, God talks about the slaves that the Israelites could have, knowing that other people had slaves as well. There is nothing new under the sun. We could see that slavery is still going strong today. We have sex slavery and the like. Lots of people are being trafficked and exploited.

Everyone does sin and its not my belief system, its Biblical.
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For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.​
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That is what happened in Genesis 1
You're just repeating yourself to avoid addressing,not what I say, but what God said. The events in genesis were long and gone when Ezekiel came around so I'm asking you to address how God, in Ezekiel, said it would happen from A to B to C to D while you say A and D happened in 1948 and B and C will happen another time. There's a discrepancy that you're trying to avoid addressing. I'll keep bringing it up tho because YOURE the one that claims to believe the whole bible

I am, is Egypt or Damascus close to the US?
Why don't you bring proof of where you say it is like I'm asking? The land you're referring to as Egypt was in America and not the Middle East. You say no? Ok bring proof to support your position and I can do the same if you ask me to. I don't want to read "I think" unless it's in regard to some type of support you have brought for your position.

I am pointing things out to you, but you only want to believe what you believe and aren’t interested in anything else. I’ll help you even more..the US isn’t close to Egypt or Damascus, but Israel is. In the New Testament, God brought Israel out of Egypt and had them walking from Egypt to where God showed them the promised land. Can one walk from Egypt to the US? No, one can’t. Can you see how you twist scripture to suit what you believe? Can one walk from the US to Damascus? That’s where Paul was when He met Jesus. He went from Israel to Damascus..is that close to the US? How about any of the cities on Paul’s missionary journey’s..are they close to the US? You’re reasoning doesn’t add up to geography
You point out your words yes. I'm asking for support. Go to the Bible and prove it happened in the Middle East. Bring up archaeology that supports your position. Bring up historians that support your position. Really, ANYTHING BUT your words.

The contention is that "Egypt" (which wasn't called Egypt in biblical times) wasn't in Africa but in America. So could Israel walk from Egypt to their land? Yes. Because I already said the biblical events happened in the Americas. From Abraham leaving the land where he was born to Moses being on Mount Nebo and seeing the land that was promised to Abrahams descendants before he died. It ALL happened in America. You say no? Ok bring support for what YOU say. Don't just say it bring something people can verify.

And pointing to modern day titles of lands isn't proof of anything. There are jerusalems all around the world. There's a mount nebo in Utah and Israel. There's a Goshen in Israel, Utah, and somewhere on the east coast. Heck this is an old map of Africa that says there was a Judah in modern day Nigeria/Niger:



So if you disagree that's fine. Bring some type of support for your beliefs other than your words. You can't though which is why you keep coming back remixing what you've said from the beginning. It's okay though because you're just a platform so that others who might not even be posting can research what's being said in this thread and come to their own conclusions. Or in other words, this back and forth is bigger than you...

Lots of nations have conquered other nations and have enslaved people. The black man being sold into slavery is nothing new, I’m sorry.
Nope. You can't find two other nations that have been conquered and transported on ships to be enslaved/oppressed for 400+ yearslike black people have. The reason for that is because ONLY the descendants of Israel would punished in that manner.

Everyone does sin
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Yet everyone is NOT getting sent to other nations to be enslaved/oppressed for 400 years like blacks have. Unless you think that will happen in the future.
 





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You're just repeating yourself to avoid addressing,not what I say, but what God said. The events in genesis were long and gone when Ezekiel came around so I'm asking you to address how God, in Ezekiel, said it would happen from A to B to C to D while you say A and D happened in 1948 and B and C will happen another time. There's a discrepancy that you're trying to avoid addressing. I'll keep bringing it up tho because YOURE the one that claims to believe the whole bible
I went back to the verse that I believe is about what we are seeing in this time period which is in chapter 36.
I already addressed what I think happened in chapter 20, God is talking about Moses and bringing the Jews back like that again, obviously that’s not what’s happening now so I moved back to chapter 36.

Why don't you bring proof of where you say it is like I'm asking? The land you're referring to as Egypt was in America and not the Middle East. You say no? Ok bring proof to support your position and I can do the same if you ask me to. I don't want to read "I think" unless it's in regard to some type of support you have brought for your position.
You’re joking right?

And pointing to modern day titles of lands isn't proof of anything. There are jerusalems all around the world. There's a mount nebo in Utah and Israel. There's a Goshen in Israel, Utah, and somewhere on the east coast. Heck this is an old map of Africa that says there was a Judah in modern day Nigeria/Niger:
You are out there, no question about that.

Or in other words, this back and forth is bigger than you...
Well I hope others can see your foolishness that’s for sure! Wow!

The reason for that is because ONLY the descendants of Israel would punished in that manner
There have been lots of slaves and there are still lots of slaves, you are deceived.

Yet everyone is NOT getting sent to other nations to be enslaved/oppressed for 400 years like blacks have. Unless you think that will happen in the future.
You’re a black person trying to find meaning in your ancestors suffering?
 





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obviously that’s not what’s happening now
Ding ding ding!!!!

It's not happening and hasn't happened. Yet God said it would happen in between Israel being gathered and entering the land. So unless what God said wasn't true, He hasn't gathered the Israelites and let them into their land without FIRST meeting them face to face in the wilderness and purging the rebels from their midst. Since deep down you don't believe in the God of Israel you disregard what He says will happen for what you want to believe will happen. But this is the answer I was looking for. It's not happening and hasn't happened. Therefore their occupation, according to the Old Testament, is null in void. That's without going into the same OT saying that their repentance and obedience to the Torah would be the thing that started the whole process. Something that never happened before or aft r WW2

You’re joking right?
Well this whole conversation is a joke. As I'm jokingly having an "intellectual" conversation with someone who doesn't think at a high enough level on this subject to have one. I bring information and you bring emotional rants with no information. But keep it going because as I said the convo is bigger than you...

You are out there, no question about that.
I'm supposed to be "out there" since I'm supposed to be different than you and other nations like the one you come from. Nations who worship idols and don't care about the God of Israels word UNLESS it confirms what they already want to believe. When it doesn't, the excuses come out.

Well I hope others can see your foolishness that’s for sure! Wow!
Your hope is based on nothing though. I asked you to support your beliefs and you can't bring anything but repeats and no passive aggressive digs. And it's all because you don't believe based on study and research. So what people will really is you not knowing enough about what you believe to support it. Some may even think I'm bullying you...

There have been lots of slaves and there are still lots of slaves, you are deceived.
There haven't been "lots of slaves" who have been conquered, sent and/or went elsewhere in ships to be enslaved/oppressed for 400+ years tho. But you knew that already which is why you cut it out the post

You’re a black person trying to find meaning in your ancestors suffering?
That's what life is about Lisa. When you fall,figuring out why you fell, and getting back up. My ancestors suffered because of their disobedience to God. So as a result God brought someone into their place to make them jealous. Someone who would take the Israelites role on earth for themselves. And that's why the bankers who themselves identify as Jewish, went so hard to establish a homeland for themselves to which they now throw gay parades and put up idolatry symbols throughout the land. It's because they're playing a role. A role given to them by the Creator.

And another thing, I'm not black. The people I'm referencing aren't black. Of course you and people like you want to keep them "black" because if they take back their heritage and leave the nations they're in captivity in (*cough*cough* dum diversas *cough) then it's over for those nations like it was for Egypt when the Israelites left the first time. That's why your guy Trump is really trying to build the wall and it's also why they made the "black identity extremist label. Because a lot of "black" people are waking up and saying I'm not black im (insert tribal affiliation) and that's a threat to their and YOUR society. But scratch all that, let me let Zondervan bible (Jewish publication) explain


But If black Americans(that includes "blacks" in North AND South) are from Africa, shouldn't they be of Ham too? Yet instead they're differentiated? Lol You do the math. But to be clear Lisa, by you, I don't literally mean you because again, this conversation is bigger than you. ;)
 





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It's not happening and hasn't happened. Yet God said it would happen in between Israel being gathered and entering the land. So unless what God said wasn't true, He hasn't gathered the Israelites and let them into their land without FIRST meeting them face to face in the wilderness and purging the rebels from their midst. Since deep down you don't believe in the God of Israel you disregard what He says will happen for what you want to believe will happen. But this is the answer I was looking for. It's not happening and hasn't happened. Therefore their occupation, according to the Old Testament, is null in void. That's without going into the same OT saying that their repentance and obedience to the Torah would be the thing that started the whole process. Something that never happened before or aft r WW2
Move on to the correct scripture...

Lol, you can say that their occupation is null and void, but it isn’t is it? They are still there and they aren’t occupying anything, they were given that land to settle in by the allies in WWII. And they have been there for over 70 years which is amazing since before that they were out wandering the world, scattered when God brings them all back to the one place He said was their land forever..and you’d like to say that means nothing...you are clueless.

Well this whole conversation is a joke
You’re starting to make it a joke..prove that Egypt is in the Middle East? If you seriously don’t know where Egypt is...and you think I’m the intellectual letdown in this conversation..lol!


I asked you to support your beliefs and you can't bring anything but repeats and no passive aggressive digs.
I’m not going to go all out on someone who thinks Egypt is in America...

There haven't been "lots of slaves" who have been conquered, sent and/or went elsewhere in ships to be enslaved/oppressed for 400+ years tho. But you knew that already which is why you cut it out the post
No, I just know that there’s been lots of slaves in the world, and black people haven’t been the only ones and there are still slaves, so to obsess over the black slaves who were set free btw is really unhealthy. They aren’t the only ones.

And another thing, I'm not black. The people I'm referencing aren't black.
You are confusing and confused or as the Bible puts it being deceived and deceiving..

this conversation is bigger than you. ;)
I don’t see how, you don’t seem to be living in reality.
 





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Move on to the correct scripture...
There’s no need to move on. You finally told the truth. It’s not happening and hasn’t happened. Appreciate the honesty

Lol, you can say that their occupation is null and void,
Of course I can because it is. Till the things God said would happen happen in the order He said it would its null and void
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I’m not going to go all out on someone who thinks Egypt is in America...
Well one, Egypt isn't the name of the biblical place Israel was held captive in. And two, the land of bondage the Israelites were held captive in was somewhere in America. Which is why “Egyptian” artifacts were found in Illinois and the Grand Canyon.

Which brings up... Do you know where the cities of gold were found? The Americas. Do you know where people came, conquered, enslaved and shipped out people? The Americas. Do you know where Columbus brought a Hebrew interpreter with him? The Americas.

And you saying you’re not going all out is like you saying you’re not going to the moon. It’s not because you don’t want to but because you cant
No, I just know that there’s been lots of slaves in the world, and black people haven’t been the only ones and there are still slaves, so to obsess over the black slaves who were set free btw is really unhealthy. They aren’t the only ones.
If I said slavery and walked off you'd have a point. But since I said conquered then sent elsewhere on ships to be enslaved/oppressed for 400 years that narrows it down to one group of people. It's bigger than just "slavery" just as this convo is bigger than you...

Oh and dum diversas says that they're in PERPETUAL servitude. And then there’s the 14th (or 13th) amendment which allows for slavery when it comes to prisons which are built to be FOR PROFIT. In other words, slavery didn’t go anywhere but behind the scenes in places that go over your head.

You are confusing
*Einstein explains physics to 3 year old*

3 year old: "You're confusing"

;)
I don’t see how, you don’t seem to be living in reality.
Your reality is this matrix. That’s where you get your basis of reality. When I pop that bubble like I’ve done here you don’t know what to do. So you lash out and start repeating yourself over and over because you can’t even show why you believe in your version of “reality”.
 





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