Do you believe secular Jewish state of Israel is prophesied in the Bible?

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No.

But I believe some highly influential Kabbalists have pulled strings to order world events which have assisted in its creation; the goal being to cause many to believe that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled.
Who has that many strings to pull? Come on, that sounds silly.
 





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Who has that many strings to pull? Come on, that sounds silly.
It takes an awful lot of tedious historical research to grasp a full understanding of this and it is therefore incredibly difficult to summarise; I would simply end up making a list of bullet points that seem absurd.

But I can set you off in the right direction with a quote from someone who tinkered with European alliances in Berlin and contributed significantly to the laying of foundations for world war 1, along with the help of Eugenio Pacelli and his 'work' in Serbia. Oh and this individual was working for the individuals in the above video.

“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.” (Benjamin Disraeli)
 





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No. But I believe it's prophesied about and judged in many passages in Ezekiel.

PS: The Zionist state is not secular, unless you are a Zionist. It even attacks Israeli Jews that disagree with them, let alone everyone else
 





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First of all - Ashkenazi Jews are European and never lived in the land of Israel. A person who is 100% ashkenazi has no family members who lived in israel at any time.
Second - Of the 12 tribes of Israel, the Jews were only 1 - the tribe of Judah. They are 1/12th of the tribe of Israel
Third - Of modern day Israel, the tribe of Judah only had their racial heritage in a minute section of modern palestine, basically a couple cities.
Fourth - Philistine is an arabic pronounciation of the word "Palestine", a group that lived in that historical land before the tribe of Judah came, after they left, up until modern day.
Fifth - The Kingdom of Judah lasted 120 years. Judah and Israel hated each other. The Bible is full of stories of them fighting each other. The city of Jerusalem belonged to a kingdom of Judah for only 120years. This kingdom ceased to exist afterwards when the Assyrians conquored them, after they worshipped false gods and lost Jehovahs protection. From 722 BC until 1948 AD there was no political state of Judah in Levant.


40 years after the Jews rejected Jesus and killed him, the Romans did what Jesus predicted and destroyed Jerusalem and drove them out. For the next 2000 years, the Jews that slowly returned, they lived with the Caananites and Philistines. It wasnt until the 1800s that conflict arose when Theodore Hertzl and other non-semitic European Jews, despite having no prior genetic presence in that land, displaced the Semitic arabs in that land.
 





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First of all - Ashkenazi Jews are European and never lived in the land of Israel. A person who is 100% ashkenazi has no family members who lived in israel at any time.
Second - Of the 12 tribes of Israel, the Jews were only 1 - the tribe of Judah. They are 1/12th of the tribe of Israel
Third - Of modern day Israel, the tribe of Judah only had their racial heritage in a minute section of modern palestine, basically a couple cities.
Fourth - Philistine is an arabic pronounciation of the word "Palestine", a group that lived in that historical land before the tribe of Judah came, after they left, up until modern day.
Fifth - The Kingdom of Judah lasted 120 years. Judah and Israel hated each other. The Bible is full of stories of them fighting each other. The city of Jerusalem belonged to a kingdom of Judah for only 120years. This kingdom ceased to exist afterwards when the Assyrians conquored them, after they worshipped false gods and lost Jehovahs protection. From 722 BC until 1948 AD there was no political state of Judah in Levant.


40 years after the Jews rejected Jesus and killed him, the Romans did what Jesus predicted and destroyed Jerusalem and drove them out. For the next 2000 years, the Jews that slowly returned, they lived with the Caananites and Philistines. It wasnt until the 1800s that conflict arose when Theodore Hertzl and other non-semitic European Jews, despite having no prior genetic presence in that land, displaced the Semitic arabs in that land.
1) Judah is the southern kingdom in the Bible, it has 2 tribes, Judah and Benjamin. God put Judah over Benjamin because of the treachery of the tribe of Benjamin.. but Zionists have reversed this. Go read in the Bible what Jacob has to say about Judah vs. Benjamin in the Torah.. or what Samuel says about David (Judah) vs. Saul (Benjamin) In the Book of Samuel.

2) The Philistines were Europeans who attacked the land from ancient Greece and worshipped weapons over God and the God of Abraham.
'Philistine' means attackers.
Just because Palestinians live in the land of the Philistines (attackers) does not mean they are actual Philistines. Philistines were never Arab.. and they were once again attacked by the West. In fact, Palestinians had no army when Britain and Zionists attacked them. They had the armies. Just like
the Greek, Roman and British crusaders, not the Palestinians.
3) There were Palestinian Jews too, before Zionism. The cheif rabbi of Jerusalem went to the UN to try and stop the WZO (World Zionist Organization) from creating a purely Jewish state, but he was ignored
 





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Nope and its not even in the right area. That land, and the people within it represent this matrix's "chosen people" and not the Creator outlined in the bible. Which is why they had bankers behind them doing all the leg work with God nowhere to be seen. And specifically nowhere to be SEEN because this:

Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty handand an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord

Never happened. And none of the things that were prophesied to happen before Israel's regathering actually happened. And ultimately, they created a secular nation that has gay parades and racism/oppression of foreigners which is completely against what is said to happen in Israel's regathering. Real Israel is somewhere within the place where everybody's attention is nowadays. The Americas.
 





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Nope and its not even in the right area. That land, and the people within it represent this matrix's "chosen people" and not the Creator outlined in the bible. Which is why they had bankers behind them doing all the leg work with God nowhere to be seen. And specifically nowhere to be SEEN because this:

Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty handand an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord

Never happened. And none of the things that were prophesied to happen before Israel's regathering actually happened. And ultimately, they created a secular nation that has gay parades and racism/oppression of foreigners which is completely against what is said to happen in Israel's regathering. Real Israel is somewhere within the place where everybody's attention is nowadays. The Americas.
The real Jews..will have all the nations of the earth gathered against it..we are close to that already. The people’s around her want her gone, she doesn’t have that much support around the world except for the US and that depends on who’s president.
Zechariah‬ ‭12:2-3‬ ‭
Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.​
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Then there are some who want to rebuild a temple and to start sacrifices again to their God. That is total end times prophecy stuff right there. Those people have everything needed but the temple and I believe that a treaty will be made between Israel and Palestine to make that happen and they will have their temple and they will get their sacrifices but in the middle of that treaty, they will be attacked and the antichrist will set up the abomination of desolation. So, honestly, how couldn’t they be the Jews? How could they have been regathered, kept their Jewish identity except for a time like this?
 





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Nope and its not even in the right area. That land, and the people within it represent this matrix's "chosen people" and not the Creator outlined in the bible. Which is why they had bankers behind them doing all the leg work with God nowhere to be seen. And specifically nowhere to be SEEN because this:

Ezekiel 20
34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty handand an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord

Never happened. And none of the things that were prophesied to happen before Israel's regathering actually happened. And ultimately, they created a secular nation that has gay parades and racism/oppression of foreigners which is completely against what is said to happen in Israel's regathering. Real Israel is somewhere within the place where everybody's attention is nowadays. The Americas.
Yes it would be strange for a biblical prophecy to be fulfilled with the most homosexual nation on Earth, the most human trafficking on Earth, the most organ harvesting, and the most pedophiles being harboured. Doesn’t sound like the will of god being fulfilled

And Lisa just because the world hates Israel because of what they do, their worldwide crime syndicates, their sin, their deception and terrorism like on 9/11, it doesn’t mean that the god jehovah is behind them. The fact that everyone hates them for their actions is not confirmation of their being godly. It’s very different than sinless one like Jesus Christ saying the world will hate him and his disciples.
 





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Yes it would be strange for a biblical prophecy to be fulfilled with the most homosexual nation on Earth, the most human trafficking on Earth, the most organ harvesting, and the most pedophiles being harboured. Doesn’t sound like the will of god being fulfilled

And Lisa just because the world hates Israel because of what they do, their worldwide crime syndicates, their sin, their deception and terrorism like on 9/11, it doesn’t mean that the god jehovah is behind them. The fact that everyone hates them for their actions is not confirmation of their being godly. It’s very different than sinless one like Jesus Christ saying the world will hate him and his disciples.
It’s funny with a prophecy like that that the world thinks the worst of that tiny nation, isn’t it? Or is it prophecy at work? I think its prophecy at work and continuing to work. The Bible doesn’t say they are believers who live there, but unbelievers since they want to build a temple, we Christian's know that you don’t need a temple and sacrifice anymore, but they who rejected Jesus don’t know that and won’t accept what we know. When that treaty is formed with Israel allowing the rebuilding of the temple..watch out! That’s when the clock starts ticking...
 





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It’s funny with a prophecy like that that the world thinks the worst of that tiny nation, isn’t it? Or is it prophecy at work? I think its prophecy at work and continuing to work. The Bible doesn’t say they are believers who live there, but unbelievers since they want to build a temple, we Christian's know that you don’t need a temple and sacrifice anymore, but they who rejected Jesus don’t know that and won’t accept what we know. When that treaty is formed with Israel allowing the rebuilding of the temple..watch out! That’s when the clock starts ticking...
So what do you think is the purpose of Israel? Do you believe they are bringing in the anti-Christ, the Abomination of Desolation who will rule for 7 years before the end times? That’s the only way I could see that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled with a nation created, sustain and predicated on sin
 





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It’s funny with a prophecy like that that the world thinks the worst of that tiny nation, isn’t it? Or is it prophecy at work? I think its prophecy at work and continuing to work. The Bible doesn’t say they are believers who live there, but unbelievers since they want to build a temple, we Christian's know that you don’t need a temple and sacrifice anymore, but they who rejected Jesus don’t know that and won’t accept what we know. When that treaty is formed with Israel allowing the rebuilding of the temple..watch out! That’s when the clock starts ticking...
While I can't take credit for asking the question as @Serveto has asked it here, why support a nation that clearly has REJECTED Jesus? It reads a bit like schizophrenia for Christian zionists to support the coming of something diabolical as the anti-Christ.

Oh yeah, and in before "God hasn't forgotten about them", which makes no sense, anyway.
 





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So what do you think is the purpose of Israel? Do you believe they are bringing in the anti-Christ, the Abomination of Desolation who will rule for 7 years before the end times? That’s the only way I could see that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled with a nation created, sustain and predicated on sin
Obviously, God hasn’t got to the second part yet..that’s to come. But He brought them back into their land for His purposes.

Ezekiel 36:22-28
Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD," declares the Lord GOD, "when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight. For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.
People also seem to forget this important part of it..they are enemies for our sakes, so God can show us mercy.

Romans 11:28-32
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
 





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While I can't take credit for asking the question as @Serveto has asked it here, why support a nation that clearly has REJECTED Jesus? It reads a bit like schizophrenia for Christian zionists to support the coming of something diabolical as the anti-Christ.

Oh yeah, and in before "God hasn't forgotten about them", which makes no sense, anyway.
Romans 11:28-32
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
I don’t support the coming of the antichrist but the antichrist comes before Jesus returns...so like the fig tree...
Luke‬ ‭21:29-31‬ ‭
Then He told them a parable: “Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near.”
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Their law condemned Jesus to death, and it condemns all followers of Jesus to death for idolatry.
Zechariah 12:10
I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.​
 





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Romans 11:28-32​

From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

I don’t support the coming of the antichrist but the antichrist comes before Jesus returns...so like the fig tree...
Luke‬ ‭21:29-31‬ ‭​

Then He told them a parable: “Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near.”
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But you do, if you support the nation that outright rejects Him. Now, explain to me how supporting Israel is different than supporting Satan worshipers.