That's where you're wrong and and its not biblical either. As long as we have free will we can always choose to walk away just as king Saul, Balaam and Judas did. So not based on works still is it? In fact we can learn through the examples of Saul, Balaam and Judas about how their works proved they were no longer saved. They chose Satan and grieved away the Holy spirit and their works sadly prove it.If you think you can lose your salvation, then you believe in a works based salvation.
Not biblical as I told you before since God made it clear we rob Him if we don't return tithe.What does the Bible say about Christian tithing?
Question: "What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?"
Answer: Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.
After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.
The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
Good boy not trusting that man andy.Andy Stanley, son of renowned Charles Stanley, tells of speaking to a group of teens at camp one year. He wanted to impress them with the wisdom in obeying and following God. He put $325 into his pocket before his sermon that night. He talked about trusting God. Then he asked if there was anyone in the audience who had all their money with them that night. One young man did.
He invited the teen to the front. But before he continued, he wanted to make two things clear. One, did the young man trust Andy? "Yes," the fellow said he did. And two, Andy assured him that he would leave the stage better off than when he came. The young man held $226 in his hand. Andy asked him to give him all his money in return for what was in his pockets. Ultimately the boy refused the deal.
Like Andy, God has many good things to give us, but first He wants us to trust Him and hand over the things we're putting before Him. God loves us and wants the best for us. That is why He teaches us truth. Every truth He brings our way is for our good. He knows that a time of economic chaos and trouble is coming, so He asks us to follow Him. If we want to survive the coming economic abyss, then we must make God number one in our lives and recognize His ownership of everything by returning a faithful tithe and offerings.
Many Christians do not pay tithes because many pastors become very rich from the gospel and seemingly ask for more and more money from Church members every opportunity they get. In my country of origin in Africa, its seen as a business for many "pastors". Its big business.Collect is important in churches so pastors can buy big mansions and private jets.
This is not tithing but fleecing the flock. And the flock is fine with being fleeced.
After all it's springtime every sunday in church.
Who is he? I don't know anything about him.Good boy not trusting that man andy.
Andy is that preacher in your post above who tried to trick money from a teen.L0LWho is he? I don't know anything about him.
Lol I thought you meant something else. You missed the point completely. The intention was not to trick money from the teen, he just used the analogy to make a point. He would have returned the teen's money if the teen had trusted and given it to him.Andy is that preacher in your post above who tried to trick money from a teen.L0L
That's what he made you think... but if he had gotten the money from the teen he would have a good excuse waiting why the teen could not get the money back.L0LLol I thought you meant something else. You missed the point completely. The intention was not to trick money from the teen, he just used the analogy to make a point. He would have returned the teen's money if the teen had trusted and given it to him.
Tithe is a tenth of everything we earn. In Bible times maybe most people didn't earn money, they would give crops and other things. Maybe before some sold their crops they gave a tenth of the harvest. Now people earn money mostly and so its a tenth of that they should return to God.There is no monetary tithe anywhere in scripture....period..
There is no scriptural basis for its invention...
This is tithing...Tithe is a tenth of everything we earn. In Bible times maybe most people didn't earn money, they would give crops and other things. Maybe before some sold their crops they gave a tenth of the harvest. Now people earn money mostly and so its a tenth of that they should return to God.
There is evidence of money given as offerings in the Bible which we are asked to give too as we see fit. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7.
"Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans. So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”" Mark 12:41-44. This story is written of in the Gospel of Luke in Chapter 21:1-4. If some gave money as offerings that means they probably gave money as tithes as well.
Its no invention as I've proven through scripture and if we don't pay tithe we are robbing God. Its quite clear actually.
And in the New Testament the tithe is spoken of and it was something they clearly continued in the early Christian Church and should be continued till Jesus returns.
Paul wrote, “Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel” (1 Corinthians 9:13-14).
Paul wrote again, “Here mortal men receive tithes, but there He [Jesus] receives them” (Hebrews 7:8). Jesus is the one the really receives our tithes. So you're not speaking according to the Bible are you?
It doesn't matter when the Levites got their tithes, the point is God's people gave 10% of their income as tithes. There was a system of how the tithes were handled and shared but the Israelites gave 10% and we are admonished to continue doing the same in the New Testament.This is tithing...
Deut.14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shall lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat, and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Tithes were handed to Levites every 3 years.. The Levites gave a tithe of the tithes to the temple...
The temple recieved no tithes directly.. It was financed by temple tax..
Num.18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a TENTH part of the tithe. 28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes which ye receive of the children of Israel, and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering unto Aaron the priest.
The tithes were eaten by the tithers on the yearly journey to Jerusalem..
Deut.14:23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which He shall choose to place His name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
If it was too far to carry the tithes they were to be sold..
Deut.14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set His name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee; 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household.
The money was used for a family celebration on Gods orders...
Where does your false doctrine sit with these commands of scripture...
Here is how Jesus said to give..
Mat 6.3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth.
It is notable how the modern tithe teachers expect the ordinary working man to fork over 10% of his every paycheck before his bills or his taxes are paid. While on the other hand, if there is some rich man in the church that owns a large and flourishing business, that rich man is allowed to pretend that a large portion of his total income is not subject to the same law. Let me point out to you how ridiculous is this distinction: The business owner puts his company truck in the company name, and makes his payments with a company check. He has his gasoline credit cards in the company name, and pays those bills with a company check. So also with his insurance. After all these major operational expenses are paid for, he then pays himself whatever he will in a payroll check made out to himself. He is only expected to pay tithes on that check.Second, tithe your increase. "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year" (Deuteronomy 14:22). Most people choose to tithe before taxes because God comes before the government. If you are in business for yourself, subtract your business expenses and then pay tithe
When the israelites rejected Gods rule for an earthly king...
1Sam.8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
King Saul is the origin of your 10% of everything you have(or get)
1Sam.8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.
It is notable how the modern tithe teachers expect the ordinary working man to fork over 10% of his every paycheck before his bills or his taxes are paid. While on the other hand, if there is some rich man in the church that owns a large and flourishing business, that rich man is allowed to pretend that a large portion of his total income is not subject to the same law. Let me point out to you how ridiculous is this distinction: The business owner puts his company truck in the company name, and makes his payments with a company check. He has his gasoline credit cards in the company name, and pays those bills with a company check. So also with his insurance. After all these major operational expenses are paid for, he then pays himself whatever he will in a payroll check made out to himself. He is only expected to pay tithes on that check.
The ordinary working man who must have a car to drive to work has all these same expenses to meet, but he is expected to pay tithes on his total income BEFORE he pays for his car, his gas, and his insurance!
The lie of tithing
Does this sound like a just God...
You obviously did not read my Op and are not aware that Abraham and Jacob paid tithe. Saul lived long after Abraham and Jacob. I'll re-post the part about it.1Sam.8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
King Saul is the origin of your 10% of everything you have(or get)
Its not the modern teachers that expect everyone (its everyone not just the ordinary working man) to pay tithe, its God and I've shown you scripture after scripture especially Hebrews 7:8 which tells us God is the one that receives the tithes. The preachers are only teaching what God asked. God will know who truly gives faithfully and who doesn't. Don't concern yourself with what people are giving or not giving to God. As long as they know that they are supposed to pay tithe, its between them and God.It is notable how the modern tithe teachers expect the ordinary working man to fork over 10% of his every paycheck before his bills or his taxes are paid. While on the other hand, if there is some rich man in the church that owns a large and flourishing business, that rich man is allowed to pretend that a large portion of his total income is not subject to the same law. Let me point out to you how ridiculous is this distinction: The business owner puts his company truck in the company name, and makes his payments with a company check. He has his gasoline credit cards in the company name, and pays those bills with a company check. So also with his insurance. After all these major operational expenses are paid for, he then pays himself whatever he will in a payroll check made out to himself. He is only expected to pay tithes on that check.
The ordinary working man who must have a car to drive to work has all these same expenses to meet, but he is expected to pay tithes on his total income BEFORE he pays for his car, his gas, and his insurance!
The lie of tithing
Yes, it sounds exactly like a just God. This is the level of committent we have to have with God. That is why the path that leads to heaven is a hard, long and narrow road.Does this sound like a just God...
Abraham paid tithe once in his life...
Jacob made a vow..
Israelites under law once every 3 years, the rest they ate themselves
Pharisees..
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself: God, I thank Thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican: 12 I fast twice in the week, I GIVE TITHES OF ALL THAT I POSSESS.
Jewish rabbis do not collect tithes, they are not levites, there is no temple, they are not authorized under torah..
"Thankfully, Jewish theologians know better than their Christian counterparts. They are well aware that only Levites have the right to receive tithe of the people. After all, the Jewish leaders have the Old Testament as their Scripture and that’s what it commands. And since there is no Temple in existence (and consequently no ordained Levites or Priests serving in a Temple), then a major factor in fulfilling the laws of tithing does not exist in our modern world."
http://www.askelm.com/tithing/thi003.htm
You're wrong. Jacob made a vow to pay God a tenth of everything He earns for life. Genesis 28:22, “Of all that You give me I will surely give a tenth to You.” Everything we all earn is given to us by God anyway.Abraham paid tithe once in his life...
Jacob made a vow..
You really are fighting the tithe aren't you? Those days are not nowadays? Nowadays people's income is different to those days. We are to give 10% of what we earn.Israelites under law once every 3 years, the rest they ate themselves
You're reaching here and have entirely missed the point that Jesus was making from the parable of the Pharisee and tax collector. Lets remind ourselves of the story first.Pharisees..
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself: God, I thank Thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican: 12 I fast twice in the week, I GIVE TITHES OF ALL THAT I POSSESS.
The Jews do many things wrong. They deny and have denied for thousands of years that Jesus Christ is Messiah and God and have even banned parts of the Old Testament that clearly show that Jesus is the Messiah and God. They are no longer God's people as Jesus told them in Matthew 21:33-43, Matthew 23:37-39.Jewish rabbis do not collect tithes, they are not levites, there is no temple, they are not authorized under torah..