Do Christians who commit suicide go to hell?

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If people go to hell for commuting suicide then God is pretty evil. People don't commit suicide on a whim or because they are in the right mind, most are desperate, lonely, lost, and at complete crisis. What loving God would punish a person for that? Surely he would wrap his arms around them and say it's ok I'm here for you, your safe now, your pain is gone, not set them up for eternal damnation.
 






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If people go to hell for commuting suicide then God is pretty evil. People don't commit suicide on a whim or because they are in the right mind, most are desperate, lonely, lost, and at complete crisis. What loving God would punish a person for that? Surely he would wrap his arms around them and say it's ok I'm here for you, your safe now, your pain is gone, not set them up for eternal damnation.
Life is a test. If you had some exam and got up and left when it was only 25, 50% complete. Would you ever expect to pass?

Atheists like appeals to logic, so what professor would pass that effort? Not a single one upon the planet to my knowledge.
 






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Life is a test. If you had some exam and got up and left when it was only 25, 50% complete. Would you ever expect to pass?

Atheists like appeals to logic, so what professor would pass that effort? Not a single one upon the planet to my knowledge.
I think that's what reincarnation is for.
 






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I think that's what reincarnation is for.
None of the Abrahamic religions believe in reincarnation.

From a logical stand point what would be the point of reincarnation anyway? If you lived here over and over there's not much use for heaven or hell. Is there?
 






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None of the Abrahamic religions believe in reincarnation.

From a logical stand point what would be the point of reincarnation anyway? If you lived here over and over there's not much use for heaven or hell. Is there?
You're right, "they" don't. Do you always believe what your religion believes? The Eastern religions see it as a fact of life. As for the logic, it makes more sense that thinking you only have one chance to learn all of Life's lessons. I feel the concepts of heaven & hell are...out-dated.
 






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You're right, "they" don't. Do you always believe what your religion believes? The Eastern religions see it as a fact of life. As for the logic, it makes more sense that thinking you only have one chance to learn all of Life's lessons. I feel the concepts of heaven & hell are...out-dated.
I'm not here to learn life's lessons. I'm here to please the Designer.

Islam has proof after proof after proof. There is no reason for me to doubt it.

Over and over in the Quran it says to think, reflect, ponder. Islam is the thinking man's religion.

I'm not trying to sell Islam to you. After all every believer of every faith thinks they have the one and only truth.

Of course if anyone thought they could actually go to hell they would do things differently. But everyone thinks they're heaven bound regardless of belief.

No body wants eternal torment but sadly for the majority it is coming. As the Bible and Quran both mention. They have eyes and ears. But they do not understand.
 






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I'm not here to learn life's lessons. I'm here to please the Designer.

Islam has proof after proof after proof. There is no reason for me to doubt it.

Over and over in the Quran it says to think, reflect, ponder. Islam is the thinking man's religion.

I'm not trying to sell Islam to you. After all every believer of every faith thinks they have the one and only truth.

Of course if anyone thought they could actually go to hell they would do things differently. But everyone thinks they're heaven bound regardless of belief.

No body wants eternal torment but sadly for the majority it is coming. As the Bible and Quran both mention. They have eyes and ears. But they do not understand.
That sounds like a parent/child relation. You may be happy being an eternal child of God, I'd rather be an adult. Belief in an eternal happy place is the goal of a crackhead. As for hell, a place where we'll be punished forever for some human mistake; or even for not thinking your "god" is credible...What purpose does Hell serve? That's just sick, sorry. Who'd WANT to believe that????
 






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please discuss.
If one is brought to life by the Spirit of God they will never see eternal damnation. No work man can do can undo the work of Christ's blood. Nothing.

Read the Roman epistle on the doctrine of election. God bless.
 






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That sounds like a parent/child relation. You may be happy being an eternal child of God, I'd rather be an adult. Belief in an eternal happy place is the goal of a crackhead. As for hell, a place where we'll be punished forever for some human mistake; or even for not thinking your "god" is credible...What purpose does Hell serve? That's just sick, sorry. Who'd WANT to believe that????
I forget the name of it but there's a video of a full grown, 30ish year old woman torturing a 3, 4 month old baby with pliers and other various tools for several hours on video. I remember flagging reaction videos to it on youtube about 5 years back.

Sadly, theres lots of content like this on the dark web because there's plenty of sick people that get off on it and have obscene amounts of money to pay for it. Many of them occupy government today. These people won't suffer in this life, in fact many of them are flown into Israel and given immunity.

Hell has multiple purposes and every soul will reap what it's hands have earned.


God exists Alan, sign after sign after sign and every one is clear as the nose on your face. But you're free to believe as you like, such is the gift, "free will"
 






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I forget the name of it but there's a video of a full grown, 30ish year old woman torturing a 3, 4 month old baby with pliers and other various tools for several hours on video. I remember flagging reaction videos to it on youtube about 5 years back.

Sadly, theres lots of content like this on the dark web because there's plenty of sick people that get off on it and have obscene amounts of money to pay for it. Many of them occupy government today. These people won't suffer in this life, in fact many of them are flown into Israel and given immunity.

Hell has multiple purposes and every soul will reap what it's hands have earned.


God exists Alan, sign after sign after sign and every one is clear as the nose on your face. But you're free to believe as you like, such is the gift, "free will"
There's no need for a heaven or hell. This world provides both, but it's all an illusion, created for the soul's education. The lessons must be learned, in this life or the next. The evolution of the soul is Eternal, not some Eternal agony/ecstasy.

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
 






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There's no need for a heaven or hell. This world provides both, but it's all an illusion, created for the soul's education. The lessons must be learned, in this life or the next. The evolution of the soul is Eternal, not some Eternal agony/ecstasy.

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
You're correct in that this life is an illusion. I guess you could call it a dream, one everyone is bound to wake from, the second death finds them. Then all will see the reality. What have your hands put forth? What evil did you partake in, what good did you put forward?

How long do we need to derail this thread Alan? I'm a believer, that's never gonna change God willing. While you're free to take whatever path you like. I'm not responsible for decisions you make so in the end it doesn't matter to me what path you take. No soul will carry the burdens of another.

In the end God guides whom he wills.

Feel free to take the last word here.

Peace.
 






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You're correct in that this life is an illusion. I guess you could call it a dream, one everyone is bound to wake from, the second death finds them. Then all will see the reality. What have your hands put forth? What evil did you partake in, what good did you put forward?

How long do we need to derail this thread Alan? I'm a believer, that's never gonna change God willing. While you're free to take whatever path you like. I'm not responsible for decisions you make so in the end it doesn't matter to me what path you take. No soul will carry the burdens of another.

In the end God guides whom he wills.

Feel free to take the last word here.

Peace.
Actually, that was well said. Deep down we all know Truth; we're all One. We all live lives of pretension.

"You cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~ Navajo Proverb
"What is sought remains hidden from the seeker by already being everything." -- Tony Parsons
"What is the difference between the enlightened and the unenlightened? The unenlightened see a difference." -- Ramana Maharshi
 






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There's no need for a heaven or hell. This world provides both, but it's all an illusion, created for the soul's education. The lessons must be learned, in this life or the next. The evolution of the soul is Eternal, not some Eternal agony/ecstasy.

"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
1) How do you know that to be true.
2.) How do you know that standard you claim to be true can be trusted?
 






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1) How do you know that to be true.
2.) How do you know that standard you claim to be true can be trusted?
I know it from personal experience. The first of which was when I was 4 years old. I "woke up" for a few moments.
 






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I know it from personal experience. The first of which was when I was 4 years old. I "woke up" for a few moments.
So you, one man, know from personal experience the deepest questions on the eternal nature of the human soul in contrast to several millenia-old philosophical doctrines that have endured the test of time... of which Christianity has faced down nearly every empire of the past 2,000 years.

K.
 






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So you, one man, know from personal experience the deepest questions on the eternal nature of the human soul in contrast to several millenia-old philosophical doctrines that have endured the test of time... of which Christianity has faced down nearly every empire of the past 2,000 years.

K.
Yes. And, I am not one man. Millions have experience "Gnosis".
When I was 4 years old, I was walking down the street and I found myself, saying out loud, "I'm really here! I'm really HERE!!" Why I thought that was so profound, I don't know. But, suddenly I experienced Life as a Dream, a Lucid Dream, and I was the Dreamer. It was like I went from being an actor on a stage lost in the part, to being in the audience. I thought about telling my parents but I knew it would be a waste of time. They thought Life was REAL." -- My first experience of Truth

"Just as when you are half awake and can see a dream, and know you are dreaming, and yet are apart from it, that is how God feels this universe. On one side he is awake, and on another side he is dreaming this universe. And that is how you should look upon this world. Then you will know why he created it, and will not ascribe these dream conditions to your soul. If you pass through a nightmare, you know that is no more than a bad dream. If you can live in the world in that consciousness, you will not suffer.
You won't mind then, because you will know you are dreaming. Do not pay undue attention to the passing scenes of life. You are the immortal Self (Consciousness) living only temporarily in a dream that is sometimes (imagined) to be a nightmare. That is the higher philosophy (and truth) of the mystics." -- Yogananda
 






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Life is a test. If you had some exam and got up and left when it was only 25, 50% complete. Would you ever expect to pass?

Atheists like appeals to logic, so what professor would pass that effort? Not a single one upon the planet to my knowledge.
So your saying depressed and suicidal people failed a test? Wow please don't ever try and council mentally ill people.
The fact is mental illness is complicated and in many cases people are not in control of their actions, they cannot help being depressed or suicidal, they aren't failures for being at crisis point. Suicidal people need love, support and non judgement not lectures about how they failed life and now must be punished by a pretty cruel god.

If God truely had a plan for everyone, he made a person with a set out plan. He also created them. Then when that person can't cope with what he or she has been given that would surely be the fault of that god, not the person. But then to go on and punish them for not coping that's sick.

If a child was learning to ride a bike alone, you stood and watched them, you saw them fall over, fail, get upset and not cope. You then instead of helping them, offering advice, giving them a shoulder to lean on. You punish them for failing your a bad person and a bad parent. Same goes for a god that places a person in crisis and then punishes them for being that way.
 






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Ok Ok lol & the lighting? you promised lighting!
You're funny. But that's a bit ambiguous.

If I targeted you with lightning, that's like trauma bonding. So that's typically not what I try to do. Like that's far too direct, and dangerous. But it's still better having me do it than anyone else.

For further detail, you need to have some knowledge of a game called "chess". I target a chessboard, and the lightning moves the pieces around. That way, nobody's brain gets fried, and they are none the wiser.

On that note. Keep your eyes open.
 






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If people go to hell for commuting suicide then God is pretty evil. People don't commit suicide on a whim or because they are in the right mind, most are desperate, lonely, lost, and at complete crisis. What loving God would punish a person for that? Surely he would wrap his arms around them and say it's ok I'm here for you, your safe now, your pain is gone, not set them up for eternal damnation.
God will judge all of us individually including those who committed suicide. He knows us better than we know ourselves. He knows our hearts better than us. Yes people who commit suicide are in crisis for whatever reasons but some of them put themselves in that position because of their sins. A good example is of Judas who betrayed Jesus. He became so tangled up in his sin but yet was not truly repentant. He felt guilty that he even went to give back the 30 pieces of silver he'd betrayed Jesus for, but it was too late. The consequences of his actions led Jesus to be crucified. He felt hopeless and killed himself.

Another example is that of the first king of Israel, Saul. He was humble in the beginning of his reign. At first he was willing to do what God told him to do. Later he didn't care to fully obey God. He sidetracked around what God asked him to do. Saul began to make excuses and say things like, "Oh God isn't so particular. I know I shouldn't have done what I did, but what else could I do? He tried to cover up his sins by saying God isn't particular. God finally refused to talk with Saul and cut Himself off. Saul became desperate to hear from God that he went to a medium to sermon up Samuel who'd died to ask what he should do with the Philistines in battle because God no longer communicated with him. Its important to note Saul had banned all mediums in Israel because they are false prophets. God doesn't communicate through mediums, witches and the like. The false Samuel told Saul he was going to lose the battle because of his disobedience. Saul came to the place where he decided there was nothing he could do to get out of his troubles. He had seen his son, Jonathan slain in battle, so when he couldn't bare it any more, he threw himself upon his own sword and killed himself. He had thought that little sins didn't make any difference. That he didn't have to obey God completely. He got to the point where he felt hopeless (because one can't have hope when God abandons them), that suicide seemed the easiest escape for him.

These stories are in the Bible to warn us not to go down that route because its not a good ending. Both Saul and Judas took their own lives because of the choices they'd made. Any of us can end up like them if we don't surrender completely to God.
 






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