Do all religions lead us to God?

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The more I learn, the more I see that Christian doctrine is as far from Islamic doctrine, as is the west from the east. Maybe Muhammad was a prophet, but I don't think a prophet of Christian God.
There is only one God. You will find many more similarities if you compared a unitarian Christian's beliefs like Todd or Orwell to Islamic doctrine.

I didn't wrote "Muslim men hit their wives", but that your holy book allows you to hit your wife. It's disturbing to say the least.
Your book says to r*pe per-pubrecent woman. Would you like to get into it? Does the word Taph mean anything to you?

To put it more into context:
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Typical response. Guess you'll have to hear it in person from the man himself.

I'm afraid it's sadly going to be you who will hear similar words from Jesus if don't come back. Or rather something along the lines "why did you left me? Out of love I payed a high price for your salvation, for your sins to be washed away, for your garment to be white as snow. Why did you harden your heart against me?"

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam (3:59)

They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden,
and the Fire will be his abode. (5:72)

I can point out 6 ways till Sunday how none but God the Father are worthy of worship and nothing will change.
You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Think of me, when you're asked on judgement day.. "didn't a warner come to you?"
 






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Your book says to r*pe per-pubrecent woman. Would you like to get into it? Does the word Taph mean anything to you?
I'm done with this topic. I never wanted to address it, but you dragged me into it with a pretty rude comment, just because I dared to like comment of a Hindu, remember? And then few answers later you wondered how you also got to comment on it...

Typical response. Guess you'll have to hear it in person from the man himself.
Can't wait to meet Him, my Lord, my God and my Savior :)
He'll give me white garment of a bride and the crown of righteousness.

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Rev 19:6)

Think of me, when you're asked on judgement day.. "didn't a warner come to you?"
I'll not be present at the last judgement. Hope you'll neither.
 






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but you dragged me into it with a pretty rude comment,
How is saying my book says to beat women, not rude?


I'll not be present at the last judgement. Hope you'll neither.
Every single soul from Adam to the last will stand before the Almighty on the last day. This is unavoidable.
We will be judged on the decisions we make in this life, and that will decide where we go in the next one.

I would like to meet my Lord. It is said God is happy to meet those who wants to meet him and He hates to meet those who hate to meet him. While none hate to meet him but those who know their eternal home is in the fire.

Ask the Almighty to show you the truth. It is the only way you will find it.

Peace.
 






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There is no contest when comparing Islamic knowledge as yours greatly exceeds mine.

Many people i see today (i do live in the US) are fake Muslims. I know some who don't pray, others who don't fast in Ramadan. I have a co-worker who never misses a fard fast and he even does many nafl fasts. However his prayer is very hit and miss.

There are some who drink and so on... Whether men sleeping with men removes one from Islam.. idk as I have no evidence. Yet making it public and advertising it is more haram then a pork sandwich.


However to my knowledge there are many things that can remove one from Islam. Such as mocking the religion, telling lies, not praying, ect.

If a brother is married to a man, is his ibadah accepted? Allahu alim.

Idk, if i actually knew a gay Muslim i would make every effort to show him the error of his ways.
Salam! brother According to scholarly consensus if someone is gay but they do not act on their desires or end up doing it but repent it later and acknowledge it as a sin then they will not be considered out of the circle of islam but if they actively try to justify and promote their actions from Quran and do not even consider this a sin than that would be considered as "innovation and inventing lies against Allah and his book" which is a grave sin and will make them go out of the circle of islam
 






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It is said God is happy to meet those who wants to meet him and He hates to meet those who hate to meet him.
As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?

We will be judged on the decisions we make in this life, and that will decide where we go in the next one.
This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.

What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.

Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
 






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As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?
Pretty much, everyone who disbelieves in the Creator will enter the fire.

Its justifiable when you figure God gives you everything while the disbeliever can't be bothered to say as much as thank you. Its alot like you taking a job and collecting a paycheck week after week, month after month, year after year.. but never showing up for work.

Its not a joke, the least punishment is a pair of shoes that will make the brain boil and its permanent.


This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.
There are different reasons for this. For some people God will extend their life if they do good deeds. For others he will extend the life of evil people so they can increase in sin, which increases their inevitable torment.

Some of us are tests for others, for example i lost a niece in a car accident when she was 10 years old. This was likely a test for my sister and God knows best.

God knows exactly what every soul will do when he created us. There are no mistakes, everyone dies when they are supposed to. None are taken early. If a man dies as a disbeliever at 20 then he would have never believed even if he lived to be 100.


What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.
A famous figure in Islam once said "those with the worst past can have the best future". This man tried to kill Islams prophet (saw) and eventually became the caliph (Muslim king).

The Almighty is the most forgiving. If you ask for his forgiveness with sincerity odds are high you will receive it.

While all deeds will be weighed, It really only matters what you die on. If you die as a disbeliever you pretty much have no chance. If you lived for 80 years as a disbeliever and believed for the last year of your life, then you have a chance depending on your relationship with the Almighty.


Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
Belief in God is highly important but it doesn't promise heaven. There will be believers in hell depending on their deeds in this life.

It really depends on what you do as this life is a test and everything will be brought to account.

If you're a good man but are not a believer, say a polytheist who often feeds the homeless then you will likely receive your reward in this life. Wealth, extended life, ect. If you're a believer, pure monotheist, but do very little to no good deeds then you will likely end up in hell for a period before you'll be granted heaven.

I can't say where you or your father is going. I myself am not promised Heaven. Only the Almighty knows what me and you will die on and where we will ultimately end up.
 






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Salam! brother According to scholarly consensus if someone is gay but they do not act on their desires or end up doing it but repent it later and acknowledge it as a sin then they will not be considered out of the circle of islam but if they actively try to justify and promote their actions from Quran and do not even consider this a sin than that would be considered as "innovation and inventing lies against Allah and his book" which is a grave sin and will make them go out of the circle of islam
Wa alaykum as salaam.This is essentially what i believe. Whoever has these tendencies must suppress it. If they make it public or openly advocate for it, at the very least they are on the fence.
 






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So I read the entire thread and I would like to add a point which my Muslim brothers and sisters did not mention here about why we believe Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and not God
Firstly the concept of "Tawheed" or oneness of God is the most fundamental principle of islam one part of this Principle is that God is not "begotten" nor does he "beget" Allah says in the Quran:
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Allah when he talks about Christians in the Quran he mentions this point again and again that the Christians say that Allah has taken a "son" that Allah "beget" someone which is a blasphemy against God because God is above all of this he does not need to "beget" someone he does not have a need for a "family" or a "partner" when he wishes to do something he "Commands be and it is"
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this is also a proof that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a mere human and not a divine entity. Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of Mary (peace be upon her) if he was divine as Christians believe why did he need to have a mother? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was dependent on his mother like any other child he ate and drank like any other human do you believe that God the almighty would need to be dependent on a human to be born into this world? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of a human woman, he went through the same 9 month cycle that all children go through would he need to be born in this way if he was divine? Would he need to be dependent on a mother to take care of him in his infancy? Prophet Isa's (peace be upon him) virgin birth was a miracle but he still had a mother. Adam was born without a father or mother why did God not create Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) in the same way? Christians this is a point to ponder on and my brothers and sisters have already talked about the fundamental problems with the triune concept. I am not going to argue with you or try to convince you into becoming Muslims because the Almighty God is the one who gives guidance my sole duty is to provide the message of Allah to you and the rest is between you and God if you stick to your beliefs fine by me I have fulfilled my duty for which I will be questioned on the day of judgement.
 






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As God's go, this one sounds very narcissistic. Insecure even.

Just for clarity, under what circumstances would God be meeting those who hated him? Don't all the unbelievers, atheists etc go straight to hell with the pit of fire and gnashing of teeth and all that business?



This confuses me also. This additional life people get, sounds very much like Pacman or some arcade game.

What happens to somebody who had a really bad start in life?; got badly abused by their parents and as a result turned into a wayward/naughty child as they were not given any boundaries or guidence. But as they mature they manage to rationalise their early life and realise they needed to change. They then turn their lives around and go on to live a life helping others who are going through the same things they did.

Are you claiming that in this instance the deciding factor on where this person spends their next life (which is gonna be much better than this one, honestly) is whether they believed in God or not?

My father was a truly evil man. He believed in God.

I am the total opposite of my father as a rest of my experiences. I don't believe in God.

So in your enlightened opinion on the matter who is going where? Is my Dad going to heaven or hell when he dies? Where am I off to?

I'm only asking because I really want to avoid the guy, in this life and the next one.

Peace
According to Islam All humans whether they believe in God or not will appear in front of God on the day of judgement it's not as simple as believers will go to heaven and atheists will go to hell we will be judged on our deeds in this life. Even those who believe in God but had done evil deeds in this world will go to hell. Also no believer can say with guarantee that they will go to heaven because it is by God's will that we will be sent to heaven or hell. If you deny his existence and do not even believe in his commands or life after death than on what grounds would you go to heaven? the same heaven you claim does not even exist!! Because you deny God's existence today God will not exist for you on the day of judgement he will not help you in any way on the day of judgement. You may have been the most generous and altruistic person in this life and might have done more charitable or kind acts than a believer but you rejected the existence of your creator and the creator of this world and thus by denying his existence you have shown "ungratefulness" for all the blessings he bestowed upon you. He breathed life into you he created a place (Earth) for you to live on he gave you five senses and a sound mind and bestowed you with many more blessings throughout your life. It is by his will that you even exist in this world so when you deny his existence you are committing a major sin.


Still I am not saying that you will surely be burning in hell because you are an atheist because you still have life God might change your heart and make you a believer before your death. And finally he is the almighty who loves us more than 70 mothers could so if he "Wills" you may be forgiven on the day of judgement but that will not be because of your deeds it will be because my God is more merciful and forgiving than anyone could even imagine but the general rule is that if you are not a believer than you will go to hell but, none of us can say that we will go to heaven because of our deeds because we are flawed creatures we commit sins left and right and even though I am a Muslim I cannot say that I will be going to heaven.

Please I do not mean to offend or downgrade anyone here I am merely explaining my personal beliefs and if you disagree with them than fine by me God gave everyone free will and you have a choice to choose whatever you wish to believe in my sole duty is to deliver the message of God to you after that whether you accept it or deny it it is your choice I cannot force anything on you and God will judge you himself on the day of judgement.
 






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So I read the entire thread and I would like to add a point which my Muslim brothers and sisters did not mention here about why we believe Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and not God
Firstly the concept of "Tawheed" or oneness of God is the most fundamental principle of islam one part of this Principle is that God is not "begotten" nor does he "beget" Allah says in the Quran:
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Allah when he talks about Christians in the Quran he mentions this point again and again that the Christians say that Allah has taken a "son" that Allah "beget" someone which is a blasphemy against God because God is above all of this he does not need to "beget" someone he does not have a need for a "family" or a "partner" when he wishes to do something he "Commands be and it is"
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this is also a proof that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a mere human and not a divine entity. Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of Mary (peace be upon her) if he was divine as Christians believe why did he need to have a mother? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was dependent on his mother like any other child he ate and drank like any other human do you believe that God the almighty would need to be dependent on a human to be born into this world? Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was born from the womb of a human woman, he went through the same 9 month cycle that all children go through would he need to be born in this way if he was divine? Would he need to be dependent on a mother to take care of him in his infancy? Prophet Isa's (peace be upon him) virgin birth was a miracle but he still had a mother. Adam was born without a father or mother why did God not create Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) in the same way? Christians this is a point to ponder on and my brothers and sisters have already talked about the fundamental problems with the triune concept. I am not going to argue with you or try to convince you into becoming Muslims because the Almighty God is the one who gives guidance my sole duty is to provide the message of Allah to you and the rest is between you and God if you stick to your beliefs fine by me I have fulfilled my duty for which I will be questioned on the day of judgement.
There is no doubt that Jesus (Isa), the mortal human son born of the virgin body of Mary, was a Prophet. It says so throughout Scripture, in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and in the Koran (Quran).

Similarly, there is no doubt that Jesus was NOT God, and we have that straight from the mouth of Jesus hundreds of times, throughout the Gospel accounts that quote Him (which are the Gospel of Jesus (Injeel), despite false claims to the contrary). There is no "trinity" (John 14:28, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12, Sura 4:171), as is wrongly taught in Roman Catholicism and most of the protestant denominations/sects to which the RCC gave birth.

Further, there is no doubt that God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) does NOT have a consort (i.e. there is no "queen of heaven" - Jer. 44:17-25) and does NOT beget HUMAN sons.

However, God did CREATE the Angels, aka "the Sons of God" (Job 1:6, 2:1), who are likewise immortal spiritual-Beings, just as God is a Spiritual-Being. The very first spirit-Being that God created is (Prince) Michael (Dan. 10:21, 12:1, Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:12-15, Rev. 3:14) , known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ. It is through Prince Michael/Christ that God (Father, the "I AM", Allah) created the everything and everyone else.

John 1:10 He (Christ) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world (humans) knew him not (could not SEE him inside the body of Jesus).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance (being the firstborn/first-created Son of God) obtained a more excellent name than they.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son (Prince Michael/Christ):
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood (Jesus, Whom Christ incarnated/"strengthened"), [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The virgin birth is confirmed in the Koran/Quran [Sura 19 (Mary)], as is the fact that Isa (Jesus), the mortal human son of Mary, was "strengthened" (incarnated by) the immortal Spirit-Being Prince Michael/Christ (the Holy Spirit/Comforter).

Sura 2:87. We gave Moses The Book (The Torah – The Law) and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRISTJohn 14:15-19). Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay (Matt. 21:33-46)!

Sura 2:253. Those Apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), AND RE-INFORCED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THE SPIRIT-BEING CHRISTJohn 16:7-16). If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God fulfilleth His Plan.

Sura 5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I STRENGTHENED THEE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee The Book (The Torah and Prophets – John 7:15-17, Sura 7:157-158) and Wisdom (John 5:20), The Law (The Torah – John 5:46-47) and The Gospel (Mark 1:14-15) and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it (Gen. 2:7), and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind (John 9), and the lepers (Luke 7:22), by My leave (John 3:35). And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave (John 5:21). And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs (Luke 4:16-30), and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery' (Mark 6:1-6).

It is blasphemously taught in most sects of "Islam" that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the Holy Spirit/Comforter, which is not true.

IF “Muslims” actually did God's Will (Islam), and read the Bible as He has COMMANDED them to do, they would see for themselves Who the Comforter/Holy Spirit really is: CHRIST (John 14:15-19, 16:7-16), Who is mentioned directly or indirectly over 300 times in the Koran.

John 16:7, 13-16
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will GUIDE you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me (3 days and 3 nights): and AGAIN, a little while (after the Ascension), and ye SHALL see me, BECAUSE I go to the Father.

John 14:17-18
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.


These passages alone, if carefully studied, asking for God's Holy Spirit for guidance, prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that the world's two largest organized religions -- "Christianity" and "Islam" both have it wrong. It should also clear up the common misconception in "Islam" about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, which could not possibly have killed the immortal Spirit-Being Christ incarnated inside of Jesus, exactly as it says in Sura 4:157-159.
 






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According to Islam All humans whether they believe in God or not will appear in front of God on the day of judgement it's not as simple as believers will go to heaven and atheists will go to hell we will be judged on our deeds in this life. Even those who believe in God but had done evil deeds in this world will go to hell. Also no believer can say with guarantee that they will go to heaven because it is by God's will that we will be sent to heaven or hell. If you deny his existence and do not even believe in his commands or life after death than on what grounds would you go to heaven? the same heaven you claim does not even exist!! Because you deny God's existence today God will not exist for you on the day of judgement he will not help you in any way on the day of judgement. You may have been the most generous and altruistic person in this life and might have done more charitable or kind acts than a believer but you rejected the existence of your creator and the creator of this world and thus by denying his existence you have shown "ungratefulness" for all the blessings he bestowed upon you. He breathed life into you he created a place (Earth) for you to live on he gave you five senses and a sound mind and bestowed you with many more blessings throughout your life. It is by his will that you even exist in this world so when you deny his existence you are committing a major sin.


Still I am not saying that you will surely be burning in hell because you are an atheist because you still have life God might change your heart and make you a believer before your death. And finally he is the almighty who loves us more than 70 mothers could so if he "Wills" you may be forgiven on the day of judgement but that will not be because of your deeds it will be because my God is more merciful and forgiving than anyone could even imagine but the general rule is that if you are not a believer than you will go to hell but, none of us can say that we will go to heaven because of our deeds because we are flawed creatures we commit sins left and right and even though I am a Muslim I cannot say that I will be going to heaven.

Please I do not mean to offend or downgrade anyone here I am merely explaining my personal beliefs and if you disagree with them than fine by me God gave everyone free will and you have a choice to choose whatever you wish to believe in my sole duty is to deliver the message of God to you after that whether you accept it or deny it it is your choice I cannot force anything on you and God will judge you himself on the day of judgement.
Thank-you and agreed that we will all stand in Judgment on the Last Day. If I may share this please, it will be before Christ, to Whom God has committed all judgment.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch/Idris 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

This is why it's so critically important for us to read and digest all of the Holy Scriptures, so that we can overcome the misunderstandings of them that are so commonly taught throughout the organized religions.

Peace be upon you.

P.S. There should be nothing offensive about sharing the truth with others, particularly given that everyone's true, eternal (spiritual) lives are at stake.
 






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Pretty much, everyone who disbelieves in the Creator will enter the fire
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Don't you think this is pretty harsh on disbelievers who turned out to be genuine, sincere and kind people?

Its not a joke, the least punishment is a pair of shoes that will make the brain boil and its permanent
Gee, he's one sadistic son of a bitch isn't he? Brain boiling shoes??!?! That should be in the next Saw film!

There are different reasons for this. For some people God will extend their life if they do good deeds. For others he will extend the life of evil people so they can increase in sin, which increases their inevitable torment.
Isn't that again just a little bit sadistic? Extending the life of evil people who inevitably go on to kill or rob or harm good people who believe in him. I don't see any logic whatsoever in this statement, sorry.

Some of us are tests for others, for example i lost a niece in a car accident when she was 10 years old. This was likely a test for my sister and God knows
Yes I lost my mum at 5. I could also see this as a test, because it was, but it also could just be an unfortunate set of circumstances, which it was. My mum was very religious...prayed every day....dead at 27 leaving her children with a womanising alcoholic. Did God answer my mums prayers there then?

I will leave it there for now I know you have a very strong set of beliefs, but so do I. Your's come from a book....mine cones from my life.
 






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Don't you think this is pretty harsh on disbelievers who turned out to be genuine, sincere and kind people?
If you made over $25,000,000 at this job that you never showed up for, do you think you deserved a dime?
If i worked for you for 100 years and never worked a second, wouldn't you like that money back?

When i say everything comes from God i mean literally everything. From the air you breath to the hands you type with. Whens the last time you said thanks? How can you thank someone who you don't believe even exists?
Yet you continue to receive.

It is said if this world had an ounce of value the Almighty would not give a single disbeliever a sip of water. Yet you eat your fill day in and day out, yes? You benefit every second of every day from this "harsh" Lord.

End of the day its about gratitude and how can a disbeliever be grateful?

Gee, he's one sadistic son of a bitch isn't he? Brain boiling shoes??!?! That should be in the next Saw film!
Feel free to mock it, it is the reality.

Isn't that again just a little bit sadistic? Extending the life of evil people who inevitably go on to kill or rob or harm good people who believe in him. I don't see any logic whatsoever in this statement, sorry.
Isn't this what they want? Do you see Bill Gates or any Rockefeller wishing for death? Yet most of these people live near 100. Look at Kissinger, this man is little more then a walking corpse yet he continues to draw breath even with the blood of millions on his hands.

Any soul has a chance to renounce evil, these people do not. They only wish for more for themselves and less for us. When a billion go to bed hungry should a guy be drinking a $10,000 bottle of wine?

Why not give them a longer leash so when they finally reach the end running at full speed its that much more violent of a jerk.

Every soul will reap what is sows, so why not give people what they are asking for?

Don't worry, those who escape justice in this life will find the full brunt of it in the next one. One that is never ending.


Yes I lost my mum at 5. I could also see this as a test, because it was, but it also could just be an unfortunate set of circumstances, which it was. My mum was very religious...prayed every day....dead at 27 leaving her children with a womanising alcoholic. Did God answer my mums prayers there then?

I will leave it there for now I know you have a very strong set of beliefs, but so do I. Your's come from a book....mine cones from my life.
We all have difficulties in life. Some are worse then others. There is not a soul upon the planet that is not in a trial.

If your mother was a believer and now resides in heaven then God gave her the greatest mercy for what is this life but a prison for a believer and paradise for the disbeliever.
 






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Thank-you and agreed that we will all stand in Judgment on the Last Day. If I may share this please, it will be before Christ, to Whom God has committed all judgment.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch/Idris 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

This is why it's so critically important for us to read and digest all of the Holy Scriptures, so that we can overcome the misunderstandings of them that are so commonly taught throughout the organized religions.

Peace be upon you.

P.S. There should be nothing offensive about sharing the truth with others, particularly given that everyone's true, eternal (spiritual) lives are at stake.
I don't know what your sets of belief are and how you came to the conclusion that Angel Michael (peace be upon him) is the Christ but I respectfully choose to disagree with this opinion because there is nothing in the Quran that proves this. The angel who brings "Wahi" or "Revelation" to all Prophets (peace be upon them) is Gabriel (peace be upon him) he was the Angel sent to Mary to inform her of the glad tidings (gospel) that she will give birth to the Messiah Prophet Isa (jesus) (Peace be upon him) he is called "ruh-ul-ameen" the holy spirit. according to Quran Prophet Isa A.S was the promised Messiah sent to the Children of Israel who were at that time the "chosen people" but they did not believe in him and tried to crucify him because of which they are no longer God's favored people
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Prophet Isa A.S did not die on the cross he was raised alive to the heavens and he will come again in the final days to fight the Antichrist but he will not come as a Prophet this time but only as a member of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) Ummah He has been called the "word of God" because Allah said "be and he was" he was also because Quran was sent to Confirm what was in the previous Holy Books and to correct any information that was lost or twisted so God has used these terms to mention Prophet Isa A.S to "Confirm" that indeed the Gospels, Torah, Psalms and The Quran are from the Same God Also I don't know where you got this information but Muslims do not say that Prophet Muhammad is the Holy spirit/comforter we say he is "Rehmat-al-lil-aalameen" which means he was sent as "mercy" for all the creation in this universe because his message is the salvation which will save mankind from the punishment of "Hell Fire".

P.S I am trying my best to be respectful towards non-muslims/Athiests here its because I believe it is best to be kind and gentle towards people when delivering God's message (Dawah) Allah said to Moses A.S and Aaron A.S in the Quran when they were going to confront Pharoah
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Instead of criticizing the Bible calling it Corrupted or harshly criticizing them for their beliefs I think it is better to speak in a courteous and polite manner first answering all their questions with logic we don't know maybe some of these people became atheists because they had bad experiences with religious people so I think we should be kind to them and try to understand them after this they have their choice they can choose to reject or accept these beliefs we cannot force them upon anyone because true faith comes from the heart our duty is to only deliver the message for which we will be held accountable on the day of judgement
but if after I have been respectful to them they speak ill of my beliefs deliberately try to mock my religion and show no respect towards me and my beliefs than I will be more harsh and straightforward towards them and respond to them in the same manner.
 






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Pretty much, everyone who disbelieves in the Creator will enter the fire.
Brother Daze there are those who are excused because the message did not reach them and they will have their own test in the next life.
The ruling is for those whom the message has reached and who chose disbelief over Islam.
Gee, he's one sadistic son of a bitch isn't he? Brain boiling shoes??!?! That should be in the next Saw film!
You remind me of Lisa.
Our religion forbids us from that kind of speech against the deities of others lest they respond in kind.
"Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance..."(al-An'am, 6/108)
 






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Watched the whole interview and didn't learn anything new about why this anglican priest with one world religion agenda thinks Muhammad was prophet of the Biblical God. Only reason he gave was "because I and my colleagues think so". Nice. Elaborate please. But sadly he didn't get any more specific. No scripture quoting, nothing. For one hour he denigrated religion he claims to belong to, only to stroke ego of Muslims for 15 minutes.
I don't know, but I don't think anybody should call such a man "Christian scholar". As he correctly stated, many Christians would disagree with him, and rightly so.

The Propher Muhammad is also mentioned in your Bible. I'd source it but we both know you'll ignore it, just like you have ignored that 7 minute video.
Let's see, I'm curious what you have.
 






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For one hour he denigrated religion he claims to belong to, only to stroke ego of Muslims for 15 minutes.
How do you get 75 minutes from a 7 minute video?

Let's see, I'm curious what you have.
I think we both know it would be a waste of time. I'm pretty sure its Ahmed that appears but if the word Muhammad did appear in your book you'd still reject it. Just like you reject the fact that Jesus claimed to be powerless without the aid of the Father.

I think you said it best several posts back. There is no fruit to bear here. If you think 2 billion people openly beat their wives and r*pe children.. i mean what are we doing here?

When you follow hate preachers like David Wood you begin to see the world through their eyes. Just hate for everyone.

Go ahead and look up "Muhammad in the Bible". It is not hard to find.

Peace.
 






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How do you get 75 minutes from a 7 minute video?
In the 7 minute video Paul Williams only refers to an interview with Anglican reverend Keith Ward (the man I guess you meant as Bible scholar) that has 75 minutes. While claims about Muhammad in the 7 minute video were not supported by a single reason why, I hoped it would be more deeply explained in the the 75 minute interview. As I mentioned, it was not.

I think we both know it would be a waste of time. I'm pretty sure its Ahmed that appears but if the word Muhammad did appear in your book you'd still reject it. Just like you reject the fact that Jesus claimed to be powerless without the aid of the Father.
So far I came across probably 10 attempts, all fully refuted.

To mention at least two, someone said Muhammad was described in Isaiah 42:13, and the verse was quoted this way:
"...go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."

It would maybe fit, even tho it's so unspecific it could be about any mighty warrior.
However, if you look at the start of the verse, you'll have no doubt it's about God of Israel.
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About the name of the prophet found in Bible - this I've heard mentioned only about Song of Solomon, where adjective in original language sounds similar to Muhammad's name. But since it's story about two lovers, Solomon and an unknown woman, it would be weird if she cried after her loved one when she couldn't find him, and called him by a name of another man... while she really didn't even drop a name, she was describing to people of a town how her beloved one looks.

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I used to think new age "Christians" and Word of Faith movement were champions in taking Bible out of context and in twisting interpretation, but this is in league of it's own.

Bible and it's oldest copies were publicly studied and critiqued for millennia (unlike with Quran) and the Dead Sea Scrolls (between 1800 to 2000 years old) are just one of many proofs Bible did not change as Muslims like to say while on a mission to prove Muhammad is there somewhere.

When you follow hate preachers like David Wood you begin to see the world through their eyes. Just hate for everyone.
As a matter of fact I left our beloved hammer time some time ago, simply mowed to different sources.
And I don't hate you, nor your religion. Maybe I'm ignorant in some aspects, but I don't hate.
 






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I don't know what your sets of belief are and how you came to the conclusion that Angel Michael (peace be upon him) is the Christ but I respectfully choose to disagree with this opinion because there is nothing in the Quran that proves this. The angel who brings "Wahi" or "Revelation" to all Prophets (peace be upon them) is Gabriel (peace be upon him) he was the Angel sent to Mary to inform her of the glad tidings (gospel) that she will give birth to the Messiah Prophet Isa (jesus) (Peace be upon him) he is called "ruh-ul-ameen" the holy spirit. according to Quran Prophet Isa A.S was the promised Messiah sent to the Children of Israel who were at that time the "chosen people" but they did not believe in him and tried to crucify him because of which they are no longer God's favored people
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Prophet Isa A.S did not die on the cross he was raised alive to the heavens and he will come again in the final days to fight the Antichrist but he will not come as a Prophet this time but only as a member of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) Ummah He has been called the "word of God" because Allah said "be and he was" he was also because Quran was sent to Confirm what was in the previous Holy Books and to correct any information that was lost or twisted so God has used these terms to mention Prophet Isa A.S to "Confirm" that indeed the Gospels, Torah, Psalms and The Quran are from the Same God Also I don't know where you got this information but Muslims do not say that Prophet Muhammad is the Holy spirit/comforter we say he is "Rehmat-al-lil-aalameen" which means he was sent as "mercy" for all the creation in this universe because his message is the salvation which will save mankind from the punishment of "Hell Fire".

P.S I am trying my best to be respectful towards non-muslims/Athiests here its because I believe it is best to be kind and gentle towards people when delivering God's message (Dawah) Allah said to Moses A.S and Aaron A.S in the Quran when they were going to confront Pharoah
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Instead of criticizing the Bible calling it Corrupted or harshly criticizing them for their beliefs I think it is better to speak in a courteous and polite manner first answering all their questions with logic we don't know maybe some of these people became atheists because they had bad experiences with religious people so I think we should be kind to them and try to understand them after this they have their choice they can choose to reject or accept these beliefs we cannot force them upon anyone because true faith comes from the heart our duty is to only deliver the message for which we will be held accountable on the day of judgement
but if after I have been respectful to them they speak ill of my beliefs deliberately try to mock my religion and show no respect towards me and my beliefs than I will be more harsh and straightforward towards them and respond to them in the same manner.
Thank-you, however everything you've claimed about the crucifixion and resurrection is man-made doctrine, which includes the totally and illogical mistaken belief that Jesus wasn't crucified and raised again from the dead, as it says repeatedly throughout the Koran (Quran) and the Bible, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM.

Sharing this truth with you is not disrespectful; on the contrary, it is being shared out of the utmost respect, knowing exactly what is at stake.

Please consider the fact that the Koran (Quran) tells us numerous times that it was sent to CONFIRM The Law and the Gospel, which is why it COMMANDS us to read, carefully study and apply their teachings. The Koran (Quran) also tells us NOT TO BE IN DOUBT of the true Law and Gospel reaching us, which is why anyone who falsely claims that the Bible has been corrupted is very foolishly calling God a liar.

We have it straight from the mouth of Jesus (Isa) that he did, in fact die, before being raised up to life again, proving those who believe Jesus didn't die and was raised alive don't actually believe the truth that Prophet Isa (Jesus) spoke, even after such clear signs being given, including the virgin birth, the only one that the Koran (Quran) that it says was strengthened by the Holy Spirit, that Jesus+Christ will be held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God.

Sura 19:29-34
19:29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the crib?"
19:30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of "I AM": He hath given me revelation and made me a Prophet;
19:31. And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Compassion as long as I live;
19:32. (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
19:33. So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"
19:34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

Clearly no one in Islam has correctly understood Sura 4:157-159, or they would never claim or repeat the false teaching that it contradicts the Bible and the rest of the Koran (Quran). The Koran (Quran) also warns against denying God and His Apostles, or picking and choosing which Apostles they will believe and which they will reject.

Sura 4:150-152

4:150. Those who deny God and His Apostles, and (those who) wish to separate God from His Apostles, saying: "We believe in some but reject others": and (those who) wish to take a course midway,-
4:151. They are in truth (equally) Unbelievers; and we have prepared for Unbelievers a humiliating punishment.
4:152. To those who believe in God and His Apostles and make no distinction between any of the Apostles, We shall soon give their (due) rewards: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Please take the time to review what's already been shared before jumping to any conclusions. God's Word, found in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran) is TRUTH, and requires no organized religion or its spiritually blind guides to interpret it.

Peace be upon you.

Sura 2:98. Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and Apostles, to Gabriel and Michael (Daniel 12:1; Rev. 12:7),- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith."

Sura 3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
 






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@AmazingGrace

Here is a wiki page discussing numerous verses about Muhammad in the Bible. .

Heres another page.

And another..


I've already told you there is no benefit in this discussion with me and you because before i even speak a word your mind is already closed...
So far I came across probably 10 attempts, all fully refuted.
Interesting how you went to refutations because you don't want to believe it to begin with.

Lets face facts. You believe Muslims beat their wives and r*pe children because you think Islamic doctrine teaches this.

While i can show verses in the Bible that say its ok to beat kids and r*pe per-pubescent woman
Pretending that i am sold on those beliefs, ok now you can convince me of the good in your book.

Had i not been a Christian for 30 years i wouldn't go near your faith because of the many verses that can be taken out of context. After all Christians have historically slaughtered millions based on verses from the Bible. These are Facts. The Bible is absolutely full of violence. Especially for someone with an agenda.

Lets be honest, there can literally be a verse in the Bible that says "GRACE, MUHAMMAD IS A PROPHET OF GOD" and you would search for and reference voices who say that's a fabrication.

There are links above, entertain them or not because at the end of the day, i won't burn for your rejection of the truth.


TLDR : you are bias and already looking to refute simple truths before they are even brought. I mean what is the point???

Peace.
 






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