- Mar 15, 2017
NEVER rely on any muslims to give you the actual doctrines/ quote the relevant passages (like Christians quote the bible). You must search for the source yourself. At the very best they have been misled themselves.Didn't miss it, I wanted to mention it before he brought it up. I wrote it's not a good idea to have baby before 15, guess you didn't read my explanation why, carefully. I believe child birth and pregnancy before 15 was one of the factors behind high mother and child mortality as well as max 40 years life span. If girl wasn't able to grow well and healthy because she had children even at the age when she herself was still growing, and then had 6 children in a row, I'm not surprised she lacked basic nutrients and worked herself to grave so early.
Actually why would I expect a man to be able to imagine what must woman go through, men only care about how soon they can have a gril, but many arrogantly and selfishly don't care what comes during next 9 months and what consequences it has for the woman. 20 was probably always ideal age, but I'm not going to bore you with medical info you wouldn't read and probably wouldn't even care about. Before flood people lived hundreds of years, and even after flood for a long time people lived pretty long (more than 100) so I guess waiting to 20s wasn't problem for them. The fact that at least in the last 2000 years lifespan was at best 40 years is very sad and I understand why it pushed the age of pregnancy to such a young age. But still, it doesn't mean it's ideal and good for the mother.
Btw, when I see how are women treated in countries with Islam as main religion, an idea to convert to such religion doesn't even cross my mind. Husband has right to beat his wife according to your holy book... no thanks.
"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,"
"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
As much as I know Aisha was 9 yo during marriage consummation, and puberty usually starts around years 10 or 11, so Mary wasn't at the same spot as Aisha, but ok. I admit I'm surprised that even in Jewish traditions girls were married even at age 12. But I'm tired, I'll not comment on this anymore. If you feel urgency to bring up 12 yo Mary again, please read first part of this comment again - I can understand why so young, but it's not a good idea.
I don't know a single reputable Bible scholar or apologist who believe Muhammad was prophet of God. Don't bother with the sources. I've heard Muslims desperately wanted to find prophecy about him in OT, but couldn't, hence one reason to call Bible corrupted.
You once wrote you wanted to save me. I don't "attack" Islam because I'm bored and want to fight with you. My wish is also to save as many as possible from doctrines of devils. I'm sure about my faith, you are sure about yours, I don't see us moving anywhere in discussions, only to call each other names at the end and making a good entertainment for others. Call me coward or however you want, I don't see it fruitful to continue this discussion, and I don't have time for it.
Bye, hope the broken leg will heal well and soon
If their own scholars rely on taqiyya during intellectual debates, you will certainly not get any honest responses here.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 - Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah) - كتاب النكاح - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
Chapter: The marriage of a daughter by her father to a ruler
Chapter: A Father’s Marriage of His Daughter to the Imam
that the Prophet (peace be upon him) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (ie till his death).
Tell us Moalla bin lion, told us the flames from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father, Aisha, the Prophet, peace be upon him, whom he married a girl six years, and built by a girl nine years. He said Hisham Onbit she was with him for nine years.