Do all religions lead us to God?

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Didn't miss it, I wanted to mention it before he brought it up. I wrote it's not a good idea to have baby before 15, guess you didn't read my explanation why, carefully. I believe child birth and pregnancy before 15 was one of the factors behind high mother and child mortality as well as max 40 years life span. If girl wasn't able to grow well and healthy because she had children even at the age when she herself was still growing, and then had 6 children in a row, I'm not surprised she lacked basic nutrients and worked herself to grave so early.

Actually why would I expect a man to be able to imagine what must woman go through, men only care about how soon they can have a gril, but many arrogantly and selfishly don't care what comes during next 9 months and what consequences it has for the woman. 20 was probably always ideal age, but I'm not going to bore you with medical info you wouldn't read and probably wouldn't even care about. Before flood people lived hundreds of years, and even after flood for a long time people lived pretty long (more than 100) so I guess waiting to 20s wasn't problem for them. The fact that at least in the last 2000 years lifespan was at best 40 years is very sad and I understand why it pushed the age of pregnancy to such a young age. But still, it doesn't mean it's ideal and good for the mother.

Btw, when I see how are women treated in countries with Islam as main religion, an idea to convert to such religion doesn't even cross my mind. Husband has right to beat his wife according to your holy book... no thanks.

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,"
"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."


As much as I know Aisha was 9 yo during marriage consummation, and puberty usually starts around years 10 or 11, so Mary wasn't at the same spot as Aisha, but ok. I admit I'm surprised that even in Jewish traditions girls were married even at age 12. But I'm tired, I'll not comment on this anymore. If you feel urgency to bring up 12 yo Mary again, please read first part of this comment again - I can understand why so young, but it's not a good idea.

I don't know a single reputable Bible scholar or apologist who believe Muhammad was prophet of God. Don't bother with the sources. I've heard Muslims desperately wanted to find prophecy about him in OT, but couldn't, hence one reason to call Bible corrupted.

You once wrote you wanted to save me. I don't "attack" Islam because I'm bored and want to fight with you. My wish is also to save as many as possible from doctrines of devils. I'm sure about my faith, you are sure about yours, I don't see us moving anywhere in discussions, only to call each other names at the end and making a good entertainment for others. Call me coward or however you want, I don't see it fruitful to continue this discussion, and I don't have time for it.

Bye, hope the broken leg will heal well and soon :)
NEVER rely on any muslims to give you the actual doctrines/ quote the relevant passages (like Christians quote the bible). You must search for the source yourself. At the very best they have been misled themselves.
If their own scholars rely on taqiyya during intellectual debates, you will certainly not get any honest responses here.

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Chapter: The marriage of a daughter by her father to a ruler
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Chapter: A Father’s Marriage of His Daughter to the Imam

Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (peace be upon him) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (ie till his death).

Tell us Moalla bin lion, told us the flames from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father, Aisha, the Prophet, peace be upon him, whom he married a girl six years, and built by a girl nine years. He said Hisham Onbit she was with him for nine years.
 






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NEVER rely on any muslims to give you the actual doctrines/ quote the relevant passages (like Christians quote the bible). You must search for the source yourself. At the very best they have been misled themselves.
If their own scholars rely on taqiyya during intellectual debates, you will certainly not get any honest responses here.

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Chapter: The marriage of a daughter by her father to a ruler
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Chapter: A Father’s Marriage of His Daughter to the Imam

Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (peace be upon him) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (ie till his death).

Tell us Moalla bin lion, told us the flames from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father, Aisha, the Prophet, peace be upon him, whom he married a girl six years, and built by a girl nine years. He said Hisham Onbit she was with him for nine years.
The issue has been explained. The Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam consummated the marriage when she reached puberty.

You are trying to understand the issue from an ethnocentric perspective. 9 year olds in Western society are not like 9 year old's in other cultures. In many cultures girls take on responsibilities at a younger age and tend to mature quicker. It is very common in many cultures for girls to be taking care of the whole family etc from a young age.

As I have said to the other guy who posted here. You claim the Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasalalm was a p***phile. A p***phile is someone who has sexual relations with a child. Ayesha was not a child because she had attained puberty.

So, DEFINE child.
Not one poster has been able to define it. Very strange.

 






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Looks like you are really hungry to see comments from triggered people. Are you bored? Documentary An Open Secret could entertain you for an hour and half. Or are you payed to make people here angry?
Your words didn't trigger me, Daze, they made me sad. My guess is that you don't have a daughter nor little sister. Maybe you would see this differently. Btw, why are you pushing me to write about something you yourself don't want to mess with?

I would bet, that if Muhammad didn't marry Aisha, you wouldn't so openly support child marriage that can be a cover for p***philia. He already had 8 wives, why marry 6 year old?
Muslims are trying very hard to make prophet out of God, and make prophet live up to perfect life and morals of God incarnate. But Jesus and Muhammad cannot be compared. It's unfair comparison for Muhammad.
p***philia is to have sexual relations with children. Define child.
 






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I think I should add that even tho I understand historical context and reasons for child marriages in the past, I don't support it and believe it can be very easily cover up for p***philia. Especially at this day and age it's fishy to see people pushing age of consent down and alarming to see sexualization of children with eg Cuties or Desmond. Devil hates innocence and wants to destroy it as soon as possible.
What is the empirical evidence to support the age of consent? Woman mature quicker than men so how is having one number for both sexes even scientific? Answer: its NOT.
 






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So you're saying Israel wants Hamas to attack Israel?
Sorry but as I'm a military forum moderator and wargame champion, that makes no sense to me at all.. :p
How is it possible to be a military forum moderator and wargame champion, and not know what a false flag military operation is?

The reason Israel wants (and pays) Hamas to attack Israel, is so Israel has a ready-made excuse to bomb the Palestinians. Hamas sends over a few harmless bottle rockets over the 24' tall wall that imprisons the Palestinians in the Gaza strip, and the Israelis respond with airstrikes, tanks and heavy artillery, often times bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, market-places, etc., with absolutely no regard for the loss of civilian lives.

To further cover their crimes, the Israelis then attempt to shift the blame, falsely claiming that Hamas was using the civilian Palestinian men, women and children as "human shields", which so-called Christian Zionists swallow hook, line and sinker.

This endless war of terror carried out by the Israelis against the Palestinians is meant to drive the remaining Palestinians out of the areas they still occupy, e.g. the Gaza strip and parts of the West Bank. So the Israelis point their fingers at the Palestinian victims of their relentless terror campaign, and accuse them of being the terrorists, to divert attention from their own crimes, as criminals always do.

The Israelis are NOT "God's Chosen People", and every single one of them who doesn't repent of that evil and start treating their neighbours with the love and respect we're COMMANDED to have for one another, will burn for it on Judgment Day.
 






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How about we let Ayesha radiAlalhu anha speak for herself.

A'isha reported:
Never did I feel jealous of any wife amongst the wives of Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) as I feel in case of Khadija (though I had never seen her), for he praised her very often.


Saheeh Muslim 2425


If Ayesha was abused like many posters here claim then why was she jealous of the Prophet sallahu alaiyhi wasallams other wives?!

SubhaanAllah.
 






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p***philia is to have sexual relations with children. Define child.
Again? You see, I find it interesting how you're looking for all the ways how to make it ok for adult to sleep with kid. If you want to f*ck up someone's life, first 15 formative years are the best for it, and sex has a high potential to mess things in wrong way, in any age.

Taking responsibilities doesn't automatically make you adult, I would praise parents for doing good job for learning the kid to be responsible. But brain has different phases that it goes through as we grow, and responsibility has little to do with being ready for sexual relationship.

If somebody cares about the wellbeing and good mental and social development of the young person, I believe they would rather wait longer just for sure. Especially if you already have spouses and children of your own, so continuation of your lineage is secured.
Whose interests is this about? Well being of the young person or interests of the adult?
 






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Again? You see, I find it interesting how you're looking for all the ways how to make it ok for adult to sleep with kid. If you want to f*ck up someone's life, first 15 formative years are the best for it, and sex has a high potential to mess things in wrong way, in any age.

Taking responsibilities doesn't automatically make you adult, I would praise parents for doing good job for learning the kid to be responsible. But brain has different phases that it goes through as we grow, and responsibility has little to do with being ready for sexual relationship.

If somebody cares about the wellbeing and good mental and social development of the young person, I believe they would rather wait longer just for sure. Especially if you already have spouses and children of your own, so continuation of your lineage is secured.
Whose interests is this about? Well being of the young person or interests of the adult?
I reiterate. p***philia is prohibited in Islaam.

r*pe has a bad effect on woman at any age.

Key word - r*pe.

Consensual sex with adults and raping little kids are too entirely different matters.
 






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Again? You see, I find it interesting how you're looking for all the ways how to make it ok for adult to sleep with kid. If you want to f*ck up someone's life, first 15 formative years are the best for it, and sex has a high potential to mess things in wrong way, in any age.

Taking responsibilities doesn't automatically make you adult, I would praise parents for doing good job for learning the kid to be responsible. But brain has different phases that it goes through as we grow, and responsibility has little to do with being ready for sexual relationship.

If somebody cares about the wellbeing and good mental and social development of the young person, I believe they would rather wait longer just for sure. Especially if you already have spouses and children of your own, so continuation of your lineage is secured.
Whose interests is this about? Well being of the young person or interests of the adult?
I consider sex outside marriage to be immoral. If a woman says she wants to be married then it she is likely ready. Parents should not stop them. Preventing them from marriage exposes them to temptations which can lead to bigger problems. Marriage protects young people from adultery and all the harms that come with it.
 






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1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1]
2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,
“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2]
3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,
“Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3]
4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,
“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4]
5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd,
“By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20.
But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A.
And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5]
6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,
“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory r*pe- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6]
7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,
“…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]
8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes,
“These early laws specified that a girl consenting to sex had to be at least 10 to 12 years old in most states, with a few specifying ages as old as 14 or 16. In Delaware, the age of consent was seven, based on ancient English laws setting the age squire.” [8]
9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times,
“Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.
Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. Social and resulting legal attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19the century, the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing.
I believe that a lot of our current mores come from reluctance to let our children mature mentally as quickly as our bodies do. Keep in mind that not all societies share Western mores. And to my surprise, until the latter part of the 19th Century, Children in the Western nations were engaged and married at a much earlier age. The trend to give children more time to mature is relatively new.
In his book, The Emphatic civilization, (Penguin, NY, 200) Jeremy Rifkin points out that the concept of adolescence only emerged during the last decade of the nineteenth century and the first three decades of the twentieth century. Society started to think of childhood as extending beyond puberty, into the later teenage years. Before that, children were considered to graduate into adulthood with the onset of puberty.” [9]
10. The ’American Bar Association’ Journal [August 1996]:
“1275 English common law criminalizes statutory r*pe- sex between a man and a woman below the age of consent, which was first set at 12 years.
1576 Common Law age of consent lowered to 10 years.
1700s-1800s Statutory r*pe at common law adopted in the united states. States set the age of consent at 10 or 12 years.” [10]
11. Sinikka Elliott
“The statutes governing the minimum age under which sex cannot be legally consensual, and laws concerning marriage and workers rights, were modified to reflect these changing discourses around childhood. Age of sexual consent, for example, rose from 7 during colonial times to 10, 12, and eventually as high as 14 during the eighteenth centuries. By the late 1800s, the average age of consent in the United States was 14. Across the nation, however the age of consent was raised slowly, unevenly, and with great reluctance.” [11]
12. Susan M. Ross
“According to British common law during the colonial period, the age of consent was seven. Today we are astounded that girls of this age were assumed to know enough about sex (or about sin) to make such a decision competently.” [12]
13. Carolyn Cocca:
“At what age is a person capable of making and informed decision about whether or not to engage in sex? Would it be7,10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, or 21? Over the last 300 years, all the ages listed above were thought to be that magic age at which one could make such a decision, and all the ages listed above have, at various times, been inscribed into law as the age of consent to sex.” [13]
14. Merril D. Smith says that the age which a girl could marry was 10 to 13 in most societies,

“To that end, from ancient times to the present, many societies have acted to try to safeguard children from r*pe and other forms of sexual degradation, though they might define sexual degradation differently from era to era and from place to place. One way societies have tried to protect young girls is through laws that designate a statutory age of consent. Such laws prohibit men from having sexual relations with females under a specified age on legal theory that they are too young and immature to make informed decision and, therefore, are incapable of giving a legal consent. Historically, the age of consent was set at 10 or 13 years, depending on the era and the culture, and tended to coincide with female puberty, which was also the age at which a female could marry without parental permission.” [14]
15. Melissa Hope Ditmore
“United States, the age of consent was much lower. For example, in New York, the age of consent was ten years until 1885. After 1885, age of consent laws changed around the country, reaching 16 in New York in 1889 and 18 in 1895. Prior to these changes the age of consent in most places in the United States was 10 or 12 years.” [15]
16. Caryn Neumann
“Historically the age of consent was set somewhere between 10 and 13 years, depending on the Era and the culture, and tending to coincide with female puberty. In modern United States, the age of consent ranges from 14 – 18 years with 16 years as the standard.” [16]
17. Martha Rosenthal:
“During colonial times in the United States, the age of consent was 10 (except in Delaware, where the age of consent was 7).” [17]
18. Paula S. Fass
“Age of consent laws rose from as low as ten to between thirteen (France 1863) AND SIXTEEN (England and Wales 1885).” [18]
19. Edward J. Wood says that Thomas Lord Berkley was contracted to a girl who was at the time 7 years old and were to consummate the marriage 4 years later, but due to illness the marriage was consummated the following year,
“Thomas, Lord Berkeley, was contracted to Margaret, daughter of Gerald Warren, Lord Lisle, in the forty-first year of Edward III.; and by reason of her tender age- she was then only about seven years old- it was arranged that she should remain with her father for four years; but sickness happening in the family, they were married in the November following.” [19]
The following Table below shows most of the European countries and American States, ‘Age of Consent.’
I would like to thank ‘chnm.gnm.edu’ for all the information they have provided on age of consent in 1880. I retrieved the information from this website: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

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It is important to remember that norms have changed throughout the world and that marriage even in those times in Islam was dependent on puberty and mental maturity/sound judgement and consent. If people did not follow those rules they were wrong.
Quran 4:6
And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.
 






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1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge

2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,

3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,

4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,

5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd,


6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,

7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,

8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes,

9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times,


10. The ’American Bar Association’ Journal [August 1996]:

11. Sinikka Elliott

12. Susan M. Ross

13. Carolyn Cocca:

14. Merril D. Smith says that the age which a girl could marry was 10 to 13 in most societies,


15. Melissa Hope Ditmore

16. Caryn Neumann

17. Martha Rosenthal:

18. Paula S. Fass

19. Edward J. Wood says that Thomas Lord Berkley was contracted to a girl who was at the time 7 years old and were to consummate the marriage 4 years later, but due to illness the marriage was consummated the following year,

The following Table below shows most of the European countries and American States, ‘Age of Consent.’
I would like to thank ‘chnm.gnm.edu’ for all the information they have provided on age of consent in 1880. I retrieved the information from this website: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

Source
It is important to remember that norms have changed throughout the world and that marriage even in those times was dependent on puberty and mental maturity/sound judgement and consent. If people did not follow those rules they were wrong.
Quran 4:6
And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.
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Many posters here who say that it is p***philia to marry young woman likely have great, great, great grandmothers who gave birth at a young age. Hence they would not even be here if a woman in their ancestry did not get married young. Delaying marriage was not wise in the past for many reasons.
 






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1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge

2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,

3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,

4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,

5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd,


6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,

7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,

8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes,

9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times,


10. The ’American Bar Association’ Journal [August 1996]:

11. Sinikka Elliott

12. Susan M. Ross

13. Carolyn Cocca:

14. Merril D. Smith says that the age which a girl could marry was 10 to 13 in most societies,


15. Melissa Hope Ditmore

16. Caryn Neumann

17. Martha Rosenthal:

18. Paula S. Fass

19. Edward J. Wood says that Thomas Lord Berkley was contracted to a girl who was at the time 7 years old and were to consummate the marriage 4 years later, but due to illness the marriage was consummated the following year,

The following Table below shows most of the European countries and American States, ‘Age of Consent.’
I would like to thank ‘chnm.gnm.edu’ for all the information they have provided on age of consent in 1880. I retrieved the information from this website: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

Source
It is important to remember that norms have changed throughout the world and that marriage even in those times in Islam was dependent on puberty and mental maturity/sound judgement and consent. If people did not follow those rules they were wrong.
Quran 4:6
And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.
Another thing is these statutes DID allow p***philia because they put a number on it. Even some countries today allow p***philia. Some countries set the age of consent as 15 and there are some woman who don't have their menstrual cycle until 16. Hence they have allowed p***philia due to rigidly sticking to a subjective number instead of biological signs.
 






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Another point too. Western society tends to always go from one extreme to another while Islaam is always in the middle.

Don't be surprised if eventually it becomes perfectly fine to have sexual relations with children even if they haven't reached the age of puberty. There is a push for this already. As I said, Islaam prohibits p***philia. Marriage is for adults who have reached the age of puberty and are ready for marriage.

Western society are likely going to go to the other extreme and everyone will slowly start saying that p***philia is normal as long as there is consent and who are you to discriminate against pedophiles? Give it time...They're getting there...
 






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So, DEFINE child. Not one poster has been able to define it. Very strange.
Maybe you could define 'child', then everyone can move on instead of this tedious to-ing and fro-ing?

Anyways, currently, under the convention of the child a child is any human being under the age of 18.

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Afghanistan27 Sep 199028 Mar 1994
Albania26 Jan 199027 Feb 1992
Algeria26 Jan 199016 Apr 1993
Andorra 2 Oct 1995 2 Jan 1996
Angola14 Feb 1990 5 Dec 1990
Antigua and Barbuda12 Mar 1991 5 Oct 1993
Argentina29 Jun 1990 4 Dec 1990
Armenia 23 Jun 1993 a
Australia22 Aug 199017 Dec 1990
Austria 326 Jan 1990 6 Aug 1992
Azerbaijan 13 Aug 1992 a
Bahamas30 Oct 199020 Feb 1991
Bahrain 13 Feb 1992 a
Bangladesh26 Jan 1990 3 Aug 1990
Barbados19 Apr 1990 9 Oct 1990
Belarus26 Jan 1990 1 Oct 1990
Belgium26 Jan 199016 Dec 1991
Belize 2 Mar 1990 2 May 1990
Benin25 Apr 1990 3 Aug 1990
Bhutan 4 Jun 1990 1 Aug 1990
Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 8 Mar 199026 Jun 1990
Bosnia and Herzegovina 4 1 Sep 1993 d
Botswana 14 Mar 1995 a
Brazil26 Jan 199024 Sep 1990
Brunei Darussalam 27 Dec 1995 a
Bulgaria31 May 1990 3 Jun 1991
Burkina Faso26 Jan 199031 Aug 1990
Burundi 8 May 199019 Oct 1990
Cabo Verde 4 Jun 1992 a
Cambodia 15 Oct 1992 a
Cameroon25 Sep 199011 Jan 1993
Canada28 May 199013 Dec 1991
Central African Republic30 Jul 199023 Apr 1992
Chad30 Sep 1990 2 Oct 1990
Chile26 Jan 199013 Aug 1990
China 5, 629 Aug 1990 2 Mar 1992
Colombia26 Jan 199028 Jan 1991
Comoros30 Sep 199022 Jun 1993
Congo 14 Oct 1993 a
Cook Islands 6 Jun 1997 a
Costa Rica26 Jan 199021 Aug 1990
Côte d'Ivoire26 Jan 1990 4 Feb 1991
Croatia 4 12 Oct 1992 d
Cuba26 Jan 199021 Aug 1991
Cyprus 5 Oct 1990 7 Feb 1991
Czech Republic 7 22 Feb 1993 d
Democratic People's Republic of Korea23 Aug 199021 Sep 1990
Democratic Republic of the Congo20 Mar 199027 Sep 1990
Denmark 826 Jan 199019 Jul 1991
Djibouti30 Sep 1990 6 Dec 1990
Dominica26 Jan 199013 Mar 1991
Dominican Republic 8 Aug 199011 Jun 1991
Ecuador26 Jan 199023 Mar 1990
Egypt 9 5 Feb 1990 6 Jul 1990
El Salvador26 Jan 199010 Jul 1990
Equatorial Guinea 15 Jun 1992 a
Eritrea20 Dec 1993 3 Aug 1994
Estonia 21 Oct 1991 a
Eswatini22 Aug 1990 7 Sep 1995
Ethiopia 14 May 1991 a
Fiji 2 Jul 199313 Aug 1993
Finland26 Jan 199020 Jun 1991
France26 Jan 1990 7 Aug 1990
Gabon26 Jan 1990 9 Feb 1994
Gambia 5 Feb 1990 8 Aug 1990
Georgia 2 Jun 1994 a
Germany 1026 Jan 1990 6 Mar 1992
Ghana29 Jan 1990 5 Feb 1990
Greece26 Jan 199011 May 1993
Grenada21 Feb 1990 5 Nov 1990
Guatemala26 Jan 1990 6 Jun 1990
Guinea 13 Jul 1990 a
Guinea-Bissau26 Jan 199020 Aug 1990
Guyana30 Sep 199014 Jan 1991
Haiti26 Jan 1990 8 Jun 1995
Holy See20 Apr 199020 Apr 1990
Honduras31 May 199010 Aug 1990
Hungary14 Mar 1990 7 Oct 1991
Iceland26 Jan 199028 Oct 1992
India 11 Dec 1992 a
Indonesia26 Jan 1990 5 Sep 1990
Iran (Islamic Republic of) 11 5 Sep 199113 Jul 1994
Iraq 15 Jun 1994 a
Ireland30 Sep 199028 Sep 1992
Israel 3 Jul 1990 3 Oct 1991
Italy26 Jan 1990 5 Sep 1991
Jamaica26 Jan 199014 May 1991
Japan21 Sep 199022 Apr 1994
Jordan29 Aug 199024 May 1991
Kazakhstan16 Feb 199412 Aug 1994
Kenya26 Jan 199030 Jul 1990
Kiribati 11 Dec 1995 a
Kuwait 7 Jun 199021 Oct 1991
Kyrgyzstan 7 Oct 1994 a
Lao People's Democratic Republic 8 May 1991 a
Latvia 14 Apr 1992 a
Lebanon26 Jan 199014 May 1991
Lesotho21 Aug 199010 Mar 1992
Liberia26 Apr 1990 4 Jun 1993
Libya 15 Apr 1993 a
Liechtenstein 1230 Sep 199022 Dec 1995
Lithuania 31 Jan 1992 a
Luxembourg21 Mar 1990 7 Mar 1994
Madagascar19 Apr 199019 Mar 1991
Malawi 2 Jan 1991 a
Malaysia 17 Feb 1995 a
Maldives21 Aug 199011 Feb 1991
Mali26 Jan 199020 Sep 1990
Malta26 Jan 199030 Sep 1990
Marshall Islands14 Apr 1993 4 Oct 1993
Mauritania26 Jan 199016 May 1991
Mauritius 26 Jul 1990 a
Mexico26 Jan 199021 Sep 1990
Micronesia (Federated States of) 5 May 1993 a
Monaco 21 Jun 1993 a
Mongolia26 Jan 1990 5 Jul 1990
Montenegro 13 23 Oct 2006 d
Morocco26 Jan 199021 Jun 1993
Mozambique30 Sep 199026 Apr 1994
Myanmar 15 Jul 1991 a
Namibia26 Sep 199030 Sep 1990
Nauru 27 Jul 1994 a
Nepal26 Jan 199014 Sep 1990
Netherlands 1426 Jan 1990 6 Feb 1995 A
New Zealand 15 1 Oct 1990 6 Apr 1993
Nicaragua 6 Feb 1990 5 Oct 1990
Niger26 Jan 199030 Sep 1990
Nigeria26 Jan 199019 Apr 1991
Niue 20 Dec 1995 a
North Macedonia 4, 16 2 Dec 1993 d
Norway26 Jan 1990 8 Jan 1991
Oman 9 Dec 1996 a
Pakistan20 Sep 199012 Nov 1990
Palau 4 Aug 1995 a
Panama26 Jan 199012 Dec 1990
Papua New Guinea30 Sep 1990 2 Mar 1993
Paraguay 4 Apr 199025 Sep 1990
Peru26 Jan 1990 4 Sep 1990
Philippines26 Jan 199021 Aug 1990
Poland26 Jan 1990 7 Jun 1991
Portugal 526 Jan 199021 Sep 1990
Qatar 8 Dec 1992 3 Apr 1995
Republic of Korea 1725 Sep 199020 Nov 1991
Republic of Moldova 26 Jan 1993 a
Romania26 Jan 199028 Sep 1990
Russian Federation26 Jan 199016 Aug 1990
Rwanda26 Jan 199024 Jan 1991
Samoa30 Sep 199029 Nov 1994
San Marino 25 Nov 1991 a
Sao Tome and Principe 14 May 1991 a
Saudi Arabia 26 Jan 1996 a
Senegal26 Jan 199031 Jul 1990
Serbia 4 12 Mar 2001 d
Seychelles 7 Sep 1990 a
Sierra Leone13 Feb 199018 Jun 1990
Singapore 5 Oct 1995 a
Slovakia 7 28 May 1993 d
Slovenia 4 6 Jul 1992 d
Solomon Islands 10 Apr 1995 a
Somalia 9 May 2002 1 Oct 2015
South Africa29 Jan 199316 Jun 1995
South Sudan 23 Jan 2015 a
Spain26 Jan 1990 6 Dec 1990
Sri Lanka26 Jan 199012 Jul 1991
St. Kitts and Nevis26 Jan 199024 Jul 1990
St. Lucia30 Sep 199016 Jun 1993
St. Vincent and the Grenadines20 Sep 199326 Oct 1993
State of Palestine 2 Apr 2014 a
Sudan24 Jul 1990 3 Aug 1990
Suriname26 Jan 1990 1 Mar 1993
Sweden26 Jan 199029 Jun 1990
Switzerland 1 May 199124 Feb 1997
Syrian Arab Republic18 Sep 199015 Jul 1993
Tajikistan 26 Oct 1993 a
Thailand 27 Mar 1992 a
Timor-Leste 16 Apr 2003 a
Togo26 Jan 1990 1 Aug 1990
Tonga 6 Nov 1995 a
Trinidad and Tobago30 Sep 1990 5 Dec 1991
Tunisia26 Feb 199030 Jan 1992
Turkey14 Sep 1990 4 Apr 1995
Turkmenistan 20 Sep 1993 a
Tuvalu 22 Sep 1995 a
Uganda17 Aug 199017 Aug 1990
Ukraine21 Feb 199028 Aug 1991
United Arab Emirates 3 Jan 1997 a
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 6, 18, 19, 2019 Apr 199016 Dec 1991
United Republic of Tanzania 1 Jun 199010 Jun 1991
United States of America16 Feb 1995
Uruguay26 Jan 199020 Nov 1990
Uzbekistan 29 Jun 1994 a
Vanuatu30 Sep 1990 7 Jul 1993
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)26 Jan 199013 Sep 1990
Viet Nam26 Jan 199028 Feb 1990
Yemen 2113 Feb 1990 1 May 1991
Zambia30 Sep 1990 6 Dec 1991
Zimbabwe 8 Mar 199011 Sep 1990



Many countries on that list have set the 'age of consent' at below 18 years meaning that they are, in fact, promoting paedophillia. Allthough to be perfectly fair, a lot of those countries had already set the 'age of consent' before they became signatories. But again, in fairness, upon becoming signatories they should have reset the 'age of consent' to 18.
 






Stucky

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If you teach the children Hebrew, it provides the perfect cover for Israeli operatives to move in and out of Hamas undetected. All under the guise of "learning the language of the enemy", which is how it's being packaged and sold to the Palestinians and the rest of the world.
Thanks for the civil reply. However i must disagree and say that it's illogical to teach Hebrew for the reasons you stated. Surely it makes more sense for 'the enemy' to speak Arabic?

It's also worth mentioning that Palestinian schools taught Hebrew up until the mid 90s'...long before Hamas came to 'power'
 






A Freeman

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Thanks for the civil reply. However i must disagree and say that it's illogical to teach Hebrew for the reasons you stated. Surely it makes more sense for 'the enemy' to speak Arabic?

It's also worth mentioning that Palestinian schools taught Hebrew up until the mid 90s'...long before Hamas came to 'power'
You're welcome. It obviously isn't illogical to teach Hebrew to the enemy you wish to control from within if you want to blend in with them and need an excuse as to why you're speaking Hebrew instead of Arabic.

It seems worth noting that Hamas began in the late 80s and thus was growing during the 90s. Whether their "power" is measured by their actions or by their political standing, is a matter for others to decide. Regardless, the Israelis started, funded and armed Hamas, just as they did with ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

They're also a controlling factor in both the U.S. and U.K. with organizations like AIPAC and "friends of Israel", using taxpayer money from those countries to do it, which is given to the counterfeit Jewish state so they can then use it to further lobby/bribe congressional and parliamentary members in the U.S. and U.K. And that's before going into the influence they wield through the international banking cartel.
 






Daze

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If girl wasn't able to grow well and healthy because she had children even at the age when she herself was still growing, and then had 6 children in a row, I'm not surprised she lacked basic nutrients and worked herself to grave so early.
Yes, i read it. So you have more knowledge then the Creator is what you're basically saying.

Seems kinda obvious to me that if it was harmful teenagers would not be able to have children. I'm gonna side with the source of knowledge on this one.

Actually why would I expect a man to be able to imagine what must woman go through, men only care about..
What is it with Christians and the victim card?

. 20 was probably always ideal age, But still, it doesn't mean it's ideal and good for the mother.
Once again, why does a teenager menstruate? Ya know its funny. In Islam smoking cigarettes is haram, drinking alcohol. Even gambling is forbidden. Why? Because these things all bring harm. Yet even today me and you both (claim) to worship a deity who gives 13 and 14 year old girls the ability to produce children. Why is that?

I don't know how i even got into this conversation, i am hardly an advocate for child marriage, however men and woman were DESIGNED to start families at 12, 13 years old. If God wanted people to wait for 18, puberty would not start until 18. Period (no pun intended).

Btw, when I see how are women treated in countries with Islam as main religion, an idea to convert to such religion doesn't even cross my mind. Husband has right to beat his wife according to your holy book... no thanks.
Spoken like a true Islamaphob. There are actually multiple Muslim woman here Grace. Why don't you ask them how oppressed they are?

Funny, i just mentioned you are only harping on this age thing as a window to attack Islam, exactly like that comment you just made. Whats the fastest growing religion on the planet Grace? Go ahead, look it up, we will wait.....

And are the convents mostly men, or women?
Haters gotta hate, right Grace?

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,"
"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. (Timothy 2:12)
Crazy how contradictory your book is.

I don't know a single reputable Bible scholar or apologist who believe Muhammad was prophet of God. Don't bother with the sources. I've heard Muslims desperately wanted to find prophecy about him in OT, but couldn't, hence one reason to call Bible corrupted.
Why don't you want sources Grace? Does it make it difficult to shove those fingers into those ears? Here, you can hear it from the horses mouths.


The Propher Muhammad is also mentioned in your Bible. I'd source it but we both know you'll ignore it, just like you have ignored that 7 minute video.

You once wrote you wanted to save me. I don't "attack" Islam because I'm bored and want to fight with you. My wish is also to save as many as possible from doctrines of devils. I'm sure about my faith, you are sure about yours, I don't see us moving anywhere in discussions, only to call each other names at the end and making a good entertainment for others. Call me coward or however you want, I don't see it fruitful to continue this discussion, and I don't have time for it.
So saying Muslim men hit their wives is not an attack at Islam? Would you like to see some videos on abusive Christian men?

The prophet of Islam (saw) said the best of men are those who are best to their wives. But this doesn't fit your narrative, does it?

The truth is 999 humans out of every 1000 will end up in hell. Hell is crated for a purpose and many are most deserving, such as those who harm children. However the greatest sin, far beyond r*pe and murder is worshiping anything or anyone other then God. What is the 1st commandment Grace?

Sadly many won't realize this until judgement day, when Jesus says, "get away from me you workers of lawlessness".


Bye, hope the broken leg will heal well and soon :)
thanks.
 






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