Differences between the Bible and Islam

irrationalNinja

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You really have to think about that because it just doesn’t make any logical sense.
I think we can agree that Islamic logic is different than Western logic. So what might make sense to a Muslim, will not make the same sense to a non-Muslim.
 

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But it's also personal to me because i was born a woman and will die a woman, and will never insult God by "identifying" as anything other than a woman, but i just can't relate to being a woman.
how do you not relate to being a woman? that sounds very odd to me. there are men who are feminine who sort of... can't relate to being men. are you like a female equivalent of that?
 

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You really think the average Christian in Europe at the time of Martin Luther knew how to read?? Widespread literacy is actually largely kind of a new thing. Don't take it as an assumption when we're looking back at history. I seriously doubt the average Christian in Europe at that time knew how to read. It isn't an insult, literacy was not as widespread historically as it is today.



who am I generalizing? yes, I don't think random commoners should be allowed to come up with their own interpretation of scripture

*adjusts monocle*
And they where so stupid they couldn't wipe their own arse LOL look at the buildings look at the tech look at what they are digging up. Our society now is pathetic imho no common sense just saw an articule where 54% of the kids in a county are unable to read. What do you think people did on the plains when homesteading? What was usually the one book they read. No phones to distract etc etc etc....Our tech hasn't made use smarter just the opposite.
 

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Aren’t you an atheist?
atheism = western logic these days lol.

we see Christian conservatives talking defensively about "the West" but... Christianity these days.... the real home of Christianity these days is Africa actually. I was talking to a guy from Pakistan about a discussion I had with a Christian who was serious about his religion and the Pakistani was like "was he from Africa"... it was an Eritrean. the default religion of the west basically is atheism now imo. Christians are sort of a fringe minority group.
 

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And they where so stupid they couldn't wipe their own arse LOL look at the buildings look at the tech look at what they are digging up. Our society now is pathetic imho no common sense just saw an articule where 54% of the kids in a county are unable to read. What do you think people did on the plains when homesteading? What was usually the one book they read. No phones to distract etc etc etc....Our tech hasn't made use smarter just the opposite.
me mentioning that people in the middle ages or in earlier times were illiterate is not me calling them dumb. being illiterate doesn't mean a person is any more or less intelligent.
 

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the nasaara lack science of tafsir. this just illustrate how surah al fatiha is right about the yahud and the nasaara. the yahud definitely have a culture of religious science. it's there, they have it. and they seem to have a better grasp of monotheism. at the same time, the yahud are clearly capable of things that go way too far for the nasaara.

the nasaara have moral behavior (besides their shirk) in a way the yahud don't but they lack a real culture of religious science, their culture of religious science (every random person gets to read the Bible, make up their own interpretation and then attribute it to the holy spirit).... they seriously lack in this area, they don't really have a culture of religious science and the concept itself is foreign and alien to them.... and they have lost the understanding of monotheism, they claim they are monotheists but they worship Allah, Jesus and the holy spirit and don't see how this is polytheism... they claim Allah is three and one at the same time and don't see how this contradicts monotheism.....may Allah guide them to the true monotheism of worshipping Allah alone without any partners....

ya nasaara, who is your Ibn Kathir???
 

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It's not just that Christians believe God rested, it's that the Bible clearly states that God rested on the 7th day.
How can anybody believe that the All-Powerful ever needs to rest?

We are speaking about The Being Who Always Was while there was no me, no you, no Earth, sun, moon, stars, nor any other entity anybody may ever come up with.

He Is Beauty Personified, Unimaginable, Sufficient to Himself, The All-Loving, Unfathomable.

This universe is but a manifestation of His Being, All-Encompassing Love, Will and Power.

He Does whatever He Wills, Elevates whom He Wills, Loves whom He Wills, Subjugates whom He Wills, Makes whomever He Wills endure so that Closeness to Him may be preferred over materialistic ideals and love of anybody other than Him.

Only He Knows His True Worth.

What He Can Do, Only He Truly Knows.

How Wondrous The Being Who Is The Only One Able To Create miracles such as love, beauty, compassion, kindness, justice, and atoms and rainbows and celestial bodies and so many more manifestations of His Glory.

Logical though, since everything is due to Him Alone and nobody else.
 
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I think it was you who said Genesis is believed to have been written by Moses right? Just wanted to make sure. So this is Moses’ account of what God did?

This is hard for me to grasp. I’m trying to be objective here but I don’t see how an all supreme being and creator, who made something as expansive, complicated and vast as the universe, heavens, sky, planets etc needs to ‘rest’.
Would I be right in assuming according to Christianity, God is humanistic in his manner and appearance? What is God to you because I don’t see how a being can create immense things and then rest like He’s tired.

Who is God according to you? Is he a huge man in the sky? Is he a spirit? What is he and makes him distinct from us humans?
Yes, Moses wrote the first books of the Bible.

In the scriptures, nowhere does it say God NEEDS to rest, it simply states that He did.

After 6 days of creating, He did not create on the 7th. Not because He was tired or needed to rest.

No, God is not a huge man in the sky.

The Bible says God is a spirit.
John 4
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

He is distinct from us because we are not God.

You guys use the word father, was it in the original Greek manuscripts? Is there any way of knowing what the original Aramaic words were
Yes, the word father is used in the greek.
No, i don't know what words were spoken in aramaic, but the gospels and epistles were written in greek.


Nothing you posted was clear. ‘I AM’ doesn’t make any sense, how did they make sense of that meaning he created mankind? Or is God? Was Enoch, Adam and Noah also before Abraham? Did Jesus create them? The problem is nothing is clear cut and you’re drawing to conclusions which you’re so certain of but there’s absolutely nothing concrete supporting your claims.
- "I AM" is what God told Moses His name was, in Exodus 3, as i mentioned previously

Exodus 3

13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you

The pharisees certainly had a strong reaction to Jesus saying that. Why else would they have wanted to stone Him? He was claiming to be God.

John 8
56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by


Yes, Adam, Enoch, Noah were before Abraham, but Jesus was claiming to have existed since before Abraham. He did not appear to be a 1000+ year old man, hence vs 57 above.


- Yes, the Bible says "the Word" of God created along with God.

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made


The Word is identified as Jesus in this verse.

Revelation 19
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS



Other verses point to the fact that Jesus was there at the beginning. Not in his human body, yet, but present nonetheless.

1Corinthians 8
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Hebrews 1
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10And, Thou, Lord,
in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands


If i may speculate, i think the issue is that when reading these verses they are being seen with a skeptic eye, much as how an atheist would read them. How to prove the Bible wrong.

Whereas when i read them, i read them believing them to be true. How to reconcile them and put them all in context.

If that is "blind faith" then i must thank God for giving me the gift of faith.
 
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how do you not relate to being a woman? that sounds very odd to me. there are men who are feminine who sort of... can't relate to being men. are you like a female equivalent of that?
Maybe... i would have to know what those men in particular are feeling about their inability to relate to being men.

As a Christian i just try my hardest to live a life according to what God wants. To be a good mother and wife.
Feel like im role playing much of the time, but it is what it is.
 

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Maybe... i would have to know what those men in particular are feeling about their inability to relate to being men.

As a Christian i just try my hardest to live a life according to what God wants. To be a good mother and wife.
Feel like im role playing much of the time, but it is what it is.
 

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actually yeah...I can read the mind enough to know what ever i said won't matter to you just like what you say at this point won't matter to me.
ok well you have zero evidence or justification to allege that I consider illiterate ppl as unintelligent and I would never insult illiterate people.
 

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Are you saying i should be a better housewife?
Nah, all I am saying is that just as he fell on his face and prayed, so should everybody.

All of nature prostrate to God, from the fish in the sea to the branches of trees to the foetus in the womb, everything bows down to God, even the birds and the sun, moon, and stars in one way or another, so why shouldn't everybody?

I mean, I was lucky to be born Muslim, but I like to believe I would have made the connection between those who pray regularly daily and the words that ring with truth and those that spell out perverse notions too.

Bottom line, the human being is not worthy of worship. Love, yes, if s/he is good at heart and submissive to the voice of reason, but not worship.

Death awaits every human being, the Prophets included whereas The Omniscient Never dies.

To give you an idea, this constantly expanding universe is just as big as a grain of sand in His Eyes, a grain of sand which one can picture constantly being pushed away By His Will, so to speak.

How insignificant we are in His Eyes. There are many Prophets, akin to each other, whereas GOD, The One Unequalled, Is Truly Something Completely More Beautiful, More Loving 70 times more than a mother can love her child.
 

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Yes, Moses wrote the first books of the Bible.

In the scriptures, nowhere does it say God NEEDS to rest, it simply states that He did.

After 6 days of creating, He did not create on the 7th. Not because He was tired or needed to rest.

No, God is not a huge man in the sky.

The Bible says God is a spirit.
John 4
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

He is distinct from us because we are not God.
The fact that it states he rested implies he needed to otherwise it wouldn’t have been referenced. Another reading could be, although I’m a total layman in terms of the Bible so this would be my logical conclusion, is that he didn’t create anything on the 7th day because he didn’t want to. So the issue I have is the use of the word ‘rest’ as it gives the implication that God was tired or fatigued. No one just chooses to rest, you do it to take a break. I think God simply doing nothing with regards to creation on the 7th day would be more plausible.

If he is distinct then why did he rest? You don’t see that as an issue?
 

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How can anybody believe that the All-Powerful ever needs to rest?
Genesis 2 2And by the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested (ceased)* on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.


*7673. shabath
Strong's Concordance
shabath: to
Original Word: שָׁבַת
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shabath
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-bath')
Definition: to cease, desist, rest





The Scriptures clearly state that God ceased/rested from His work on the 7th day.


Who are you to contradict the Scriptures ?

Are u an irreverent idiot ? L0L
 

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.... and they have lost the understanding of monotheism, they claim they are monotheists but they worship Allah, Jesus and the holy spirit and don't see how this is polytheism...
Man is body soul and spirit... so is man one or three ?

One of course... with a threefold nature.


So is God.
 
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