Well this is the first time I've read this thread and I haven't looked at it right from the beginning.
In the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). Granted angels do not marry but then again, that doesn't mean it was impossible for them to - the bible doesn't say that they are incapable of marrying or reproduction. Its silent on that matter. So what are the other theories of who the sons of God are? Powerful human rulers? Or righteous sons of Seth while the women are wicked descendants of Cain? The weakness of those two theories is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were “giants” or “heroes of old, men of renown.” Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain? The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.
Where in the bible does it say that angels do not have sex organs and cannot procreate? Or that the human bodies they can clearly take the form of is not capable of doing these things?
So why the special mention of their origin as opposed to just being included in the population of normal men by normal conception?
Perhaps because those ones have been bound up and reserved for judgement as indicated in Jude?
Well, the prevailing theory with people who believe this is that the spirits of the Nephilim became what is otherwise known as "demons" - Which we can tell from the NT, need bodies to enter into. No one has really suggested that the angels were destroyed in the flood.
I mean in Job, Satan presents himself to God among the "sons of God" .
This is going to be a long response.
In the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). Granted angels do not marry but then again, that doesn't mean it was impossible for them to - the bible doesn't say that they are incapable of marrying or reproduction. Its silent on that matter. So what are the other theories of who the sons of God are? Powerful human rulers? Or righteous sons of Seth while the women are wicked descendants of Cain? The weakness of those two theories is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were “giants” or “heroes of old, men of renown.” Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain?
It is not true that the phrase
“sons of God” or any other suggestion of God's sons always refers to angels in the Old Testament. Here are a few verses I could find from the Old Testament that say different.
Exodus 4:22-23, "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.”
1 Chronicles 17:13, "I will be his Father, and he shall be My son; and I will not take My mercy away from him, as I took it from him who was before you."
Psalm 2:7, “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."
Hosea 1:10, “Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There it shall be said to them, ‘You are sons of the living God.’ "
It is impossible for angels to marry and procreate. That was not an ability God created in them. They have other abilities and powers but marriage and procreation aren't one of them. No creature can develop abilities that God never created in them. Fallen angels did not all of a sudden after sin grow sex organs or genes. They are not above God to do that.
If the Bible is silent on a matter that doesn't mean we make something up. The Bible is silent on many things and that's because God did not reveal certain things to us intentionally. Its best not to add things that aren't in the Word of God and contradict it. This is what brings false doctrine into the Church.
I've already explained to
@Camidria about why God destroyed the earth with the flood. I used God's Word which is not hard to understand in Genesis. God destroyed this earth because of wickedness. The only people He didn't destroy were Noah and His family because they walked with Him. This is the truth of the Bible. The earth was not destroyed because of giants and their genes. Giants existed after the flood too because we read about them in the book of numbers and Samuel.
The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.
This is not true nor is it from the Word of God. The World is going to end because of sin. The Bible is so clear about that its hard to miss from Genesis to Revelation. God will destroy the wicked and sin in hell and sin will never exist ever again.
Where in the bible does it say that angels do not have sex organs and cannot procreate? Or that the human bodies they can clearly take the form of is not capable of doing these things?
Angels are spirits with powers and can take on human form and even possess them, but not their procreative abilities. They were not created to procreate and they cannot marry.
So why the special mention of their origin as opposed to just being included in the population of normal men by normal conception?
Anything that is mentioned in the Bible is mentioned for a reason. Another meaning of
"sons of God" in the Bible refers to human beings who have been recreated by God’s Spirit as Ive shown above. Here are a few verses from the New Testament.
Matthew 5:9, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”
John 1:12, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”
Romans 8:14, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
The term
“daughters of men,” used in Genesis 6, refers to the daughters of the unrighteous children of men, or those human beings who do not call on the name of the Lord. In the context of our Bible passage,
“daughters of men” refers to the offspring of Cain and his wife.
At first Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain murdered Abel, so God gave Adam and Eve another son, Seth. He began to have children of his own, and they
“began to call on the name of the LORD” (
Genesis 4:25-26). And from what we’ve seen in the Bible, those who call on the name of the Lord are called the sons of God.
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (
Acts 2:21).
Cain had been banished from God’s presence after he murdered his brother. He settled
“in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch” (
Genesis 4:16–18).
So before the Flood, we have the descendants of Cain living in cities and the descendants of Seth living in the country. As long as they remained separate, the sons of God remained pure in their religious beliefs and practices.
However, eventually they began to intermingle. Maybe the sons of God needed supplies that could be more easily obtained in the cities where the daughters of men resided. The sons of God and daughters of men became familiar with each other, even friendly. Whatever the case, soon the godly sons of Seth, or sons of God, captivated by the beautiful daughters of Cain, began to marry these
“daughters of men,” the descendants of Cain.
In other words, the sons of God chose to take wives as they desired—women who were pleasing to the flesh—without regard to their moral character. They ignored good advice and likely did not receive the consent of their parents, nor did they consult with God and consider His will in the matter.
All throughout the Bible, God told His people not to marry unbelievers (
2 Corinthians 6:14–18). God does not want us to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers even if they have a pretty face and the nicest disposition. God says that relationship will have problems.
So the results of these intermarriages between the sons of God and daughter of men were not only giants, but sorrow. Instead of the sons of God influencing the daughters of men, the daughters of men influenced the sons of God.
Deuteronomy 7:3-4, "Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the Lord will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly."
The Bible is filled with stories about the sons of God mingling with the daughters of men and the disasters that follow as a result.
Samson, chosen by God, was derailed by the Philistine women. His parents pled with him to avoid marrying a pagan bride, but he insisted on having what he wanted.
“Then his father and mother said to him, ‘Is there no woman among the daughters of your brethren, or among all my people, that you must go and get a wife from the uncircumcised Philistines?’ And Samson said to his father, ‘Get her for me, for she pleases me well’ ” (
Judges 14:3).
Likewise, king Solomon no doubt believed that he could marry the daughters from pagan nations and, with his unsurpassed wisdom, convert them. However, those pagan daughters drew away Solomon’s heart. This is why God is so adamant about His children not marrying unbelievers. It is almost always the case that the believer is gradually transformed by the unbeliever, not the other way around.
Jesus likewise has a warning for us in these end-times:
"But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark," (
Matthew 24:37-38).
Jesus here is referring to the mixed marriages of Genesis 6 that brought on the universal wickedness leading to the Flood.
As in Noah’s day, before the Flood, things that led to the destruction of the world with a deluge by water are going to happen again. The pre-Flood events are a preview of what’s going to happen before the destruction of the world by a flood of fire when Jesus comes again. History is going to repeat itself, but we don’t have to be among the repeat offenders.
The moral of the story in Genesis 6 is not to marry unbelievers.
Perhaps because those ones have been bound up and reserved for judgement as indicated in Jude?
No one is being bound up now, not fallen angels, not any people. Jude is telling us the fate of those who left their first estate and no longer sons of God. Come what may, their doom is sealed.
Well, the prevailing theory with people who believe this is that the spirits of the Nephilim became what is otherwise known as "demons" - Which we can tell from the NT, need bodies to enter into. No one has really suggested that the angels were destroyed in the flood.
A theory of people doesn't make it truth. God's Word makes it truth. In the Bible demons are fallen angels.
I mean in Job, Satan presents himself to God among the "sons of God" .
Yes, but Satan is not called a son of God is he?
Job 1:6, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."
Job 2:1, "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."
Satan is being separated from the sons of God in those verses. Only those who are of God are His sons NOT Satan and his demons.
This is the last time I am going to respond on this subject here. I choose to believe in the Word of God. I believe in the sacred canon of the Bible. God inspired all scripture and controls what goes in it. If a book is not in the Bible it wasn't meant to be. We shouldn't then treat unbiblical scripture as the Word of God. Bye.