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Jun 26, 2019
A Giant Problem

It’s a simple law of genetics in play called “genetic vitality.”

First, giants have always been around.

For example, take Robert Wadlow, born in Alton, Illinois, in 1918. At birth he weighed a normal eight pounds, six ounces. At six months, he weighed 30 pounds. A year later, at 18 months, he weighed 62 pounds. He wasn’t fat; he was tall. He continued to grow at an astounding rate, reaching 6 feet, 2 inches and 195 pounds by the time he was eight. When he was 13, he became the world’s tallest Boy Scout. At 13, he was 7 feet, 4 inches tall. Eventually, Robert reached a height of nearly 9 feet! (In comparison, Goliath was about 9 feet, 6 inches.) Robert’s height actually qualified him as the tallest person in modern history.

But this oversize fame wasn’t always easy for him. His clothing required three times the normal amount of cloth, and his size 37 shoes cost thousands of dollars a pair—and that was back during the Great Depression. When Robert turned 20, the International Shoe Company provided his shoes for free and hired him to promote the company. That’s all he did for an income. He visited more than 800 towns in 41 states and travelled 300,000 miles on his goodwill tour. The shoe company had to modify a car so he could get in, removing the front seat so he could sit in the back and stretch out his long legs.

Even though he was of enormous size, he was very good natured, intelligent, and gentle. People were always giving him shocked stares. They would ask him, “Does it bother you when everyone stares at you?” He would reply, “Oh, I just look above it all.” He tried to maintain a normal life, enjoying stamp collecting and photography. He’d even take pictures of people taking pictures of him.

Robert was a modern-day giant, with no need of fallen angels nor aliens to produce him or explain his existence. The giant offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men likely resulted from genetic vitality. When a people group is isolated for years and only intermarry with one another, like some Pacific Islanders do, the gene pool becomes restricted and more prone to birth defects and genetic abnormalities. After several generations of this kind of isolation, when they finally marry outside their island or tribe, the children of those unions tend to be more healthy, robust, and, yes, even bigger. The biggest cats in the world are ligers, a hybrid between tigers and lions.

Problem 1: The Nephilim were giants with physical superiority and therefore established themselves as men of renown. Not just giants. Ever wonder where all the mythology and folklore of superpowered human beings and demigods might have originated from? Legends of supermen?There had to be have been some kind of inspiration right?

Problem 2: You still can't prove that the daughters of men are specifically daughters of Cain's line. It just says:
"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose."

It doesn't specify that it was the line of Cain specifically to whom these daughters were born. And again, why not the other way around. Did the ungodly men not find the godly women attractive enough?


Dec 13, 2017
Robert was a modern-day giant, with no need of fallen angels nor aliens to produce him or explain his existence. The giant offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men likely resulted from genetic vitality.

Amos 2 9Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, though his height was like that of the cedars, and he was as strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit above and his roots below.

Cedar of Lebanon is a species of cedar native to the mountains of the Eastern Mediterranean basin. It is an evergreen conifer that can reach 40 m (130 ft) in height.


Dec 27, 2017
Noah’s Days

Jesus’ second coming will be a surprise and will not be a surprise. Some people will be completely shocked when Christ comes back to our world and some will be waiting expectantly—it depends upon whether you are watching for His appearing or living life as if Jesus will never come. The Saviour explained:

“As the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (Matthew 24:37-39).

The people of Noah’s day “did not know” because they were unprepared. God gave them warnings, but they were intent on living life without the Lord. The same will be true today. People will be utterly caught off guard by Jesus’ return, even though the signs of Christ’s second coming are shouting at us from every corner of the globe.

We see wars and rumours of wars on every hand (Matthew 24:6-7). People’s hearts are trembling with fear over the woes of this world (Luke 21:26). Times are perilous and the moral decay of society continues to plunge to new depths (2 Timothy 3:1–4). Natural disasters are increasingly striking the earth.

God’s final message to humanity indicates a judgment is coming. The Bible sounds the cry, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come” (Revelation 14:6). Let us also study the Bible and believe Christ’s words: “So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!” (Matthew 24:33).


Jun 4, 2017
I'm posting this for posterity, regarding Angels v. Sons & Daughters of Seth and Cain, respectively.
From the Book of Jude (BEREAN LITERAL, LINKED; YLT, BELOW):​
... messengers (ANGELOUS, translit. of AGGELOS) also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling*... (SEE ALSO 2 PETER 2:4-6 ESV)​
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kay-tay'-ree-on)​
Definition: a habitation
Usage: a dwelling-place, habitation, abode.​
a dwelling-place, habitation: Jude 1:6; of the body as the dwelling-place of the spirit...​
*This word is used only twice in the bible. The other place is 2 Corinthians 5:2, regarding *our* supernatural body...
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven... (again--> oikétérion)​

Meaning, the Angels abandoned their supernatural body. So we can dispense with the "... angels can't marry" quotes. We know they abandoned their angelic form for the express purpose of marriage (procreation) with human women-- the text tells us this, multiple times.

Back to Jude, though, regarding the offense in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah...

... to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept, as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before — an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering. YLT
Gone after other flesh... or, as most of us have heard it said: Strange Flesh .. it is very specific.

2087. heteros
Transliteration: heteros​
Phonetic Spelling: (het'-er-os)​
Definition: other

to quality; another i. e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind; different
4561. sarx
Transliteration: sarx​
Phonetic Spelling: (sarx)​
Definition: flesh
Signifying the material or substance of the living body​
In other words... not human.​
The last example, from the ESV, which is a bit easier to understand, is HERE (JUDE 1:6-7).

There is no biblical support for Daughters of Cain or Sons of Seth, so I cannot post for comparison. There is no Truth in it.


Dec 27, 2017
Common sense has to be graphically called upon to ask the question. Would God call fallen angels the "sons of God"?

Who are the "sons of God" according to your Bibles?

John 1:12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

Romans 8:14, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

Romans 8:19, "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God."

Philippians 2:15, "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;"

1 John 3:1, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

Does this series of passages describe fallen angels? Or is it describing the followers of God? The Sons of God were, and still are the people of God. The Sons of God sinned in that they took women who were not of God to be their wives that God specifically commanded against. It's that simple.


Dec 27, 2017
The truth of God is never with the majority. This false doctrine of fallen angels procreating with women is so false and is not of the Word of God no matter how many here believe it.

Every available source of information reveals that in religious matters, at least, the majority has always been wrong. Jesus Himself said, “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man” (Luke 17:26). Only eight people went into the ark to be saved from the flood. Christ taught that only a comparable few would be saved at the end of the world. Said He, “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” (Matthew 7:13, 14).