Did the Illuminati Change the Bible?

[Lyfe]

Did the Illuminati Change the Bible?

 

[AspiringSoul]

Thread title: Did Waldo from Where's Wally book series, write the Bible?

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[KoncreteMind]

Yes by adding the New testament

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Did the Illuminati Change the Bible?

Great information - thanks @Lyfe

It seems crazy to me that what can be clearly represented in a couple of short clips gives more light than thirty pages of windy debate!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thread title: Did Waldo from Where's Wally book series, write the Bible?

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I think there is often a misunderstanding when the word “illuminati” is used, as it is both a short lived (at least in the open) historical group founded by Adam Weishaupt and also the emergence to a system the Bible calls the “Mystery of Iniquity” which runs back to Babel. I think that it is to this latter definition that @Lyfe was referring.

 

[disappointedbish]

yes

 

[Kung Fu]

Most definitely. The academic work on it has been clear in regards to interpolations.

 

[Lyfe]

Yes by adding the New testament

Why didnt God put an end to Jesus if he was a false prophet like he did all the other false prophets? If Jesus isnt the Christ and just a mere false prophet then you could argue that he singlehandedly took down the God of the old testament and Judaism with incredible and effortless results... How was he able to spread his doctrine across the whole world and give us what we now know to be Christianity?

What other false prophets rose from the dead and started a world wide belief system?

 

[Lyfe]

yes

How?

 

[Todd]

How was he able to spread his doctrine across the whole world and give us what we now know to be Christianity?

Jesus did not spread his doctrine across the world and give us Christianity. Jesus' doctrine was carried on by the disciples and apostles in Jerusalem (led by James, Peter and John) who formed a sect of Judaism called "The Way." What we know today as Christianity was created and spread across the world by Paul.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Jesus did not spread his doctrine across the world and give us Christianity. Jesus' doctrine was carried on by the disciples and apostles in Jerusalem (led by James, Peter and John) who formed a sect of Judaism called "The Way." What we know today as Christianity was created and spread across the world by Paul.

So by the minute impact of this “original” Christianity, would you judge the work of the church as a whole to be a failure? Should it have rejected the “Gospel to the Gentiles” preached by Paul? Just wondering how you view it...

 

[Lyfe]

So by the minute impact of this “original” Christianity, would you judge the work of the church as a whole to be a failure? Should it have rejected the “Gospel to the Gentiles” preached by Paul? Just wondering how you view it...

He denies Pauls apostleship and writings.

 

[Todd]

So by the minute impact of this “original” Christianity, would you judge the work of the church as a whole to be a failure? Should it have rejected the “Gospel to the Gentiles” preached by Paul? Just wondering how you view it...

Yes the organization and dogma of what is institutional Christiantiy is a failure. Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.'

Anything that resembles a human orginazation and is comprised of a hierarchial form of leadership cannot be the true Chruch of God.

John 18:
24And the ten having heard, were much displeased with the two brothers, 25and Jesus having called them near, said, ‘Ye have known that the rulers of the nations do exercise lordship over them, and those great do exercise authority over them, 26but not so shall it be among you, but whoever may will among you to become great, let him be your ministrant; 27and whoever may will among you to be first, let him be your servant; 28even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.’

 

[Todd]

He denies Pauls apostleship and writings.

Paul was the greatest evangelist but he was not an apostle. His writings have value, but any doctrine derived from his writings that cannot be derived from the words of Jesus is not from God. Peter warned of this, that mis-interpretation of Paul's writings would bring destruction to many.

 

[Lyfe]

Paul was the greatest evangelist but he was not an apostle. His writings have value, but any doctrine derived from his writings that cannot be derived from the words of Jesus is not from God. Peter warned of this, that mis-interpretation of Paul's writings would bring destruction to many.

Peter actually refers to Paul as a beloved brother.

2Pet 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Its as I stated in an earlier thread with you that Peter must be false too if he is in league and fellowship with the likes of false apostle Paul? Not to mention the writer of the book of acts must have a distorted and unreliable account as well when he wrote of Jesus commissioning of Paul? Your thesis brings up too many discrepancies to properly reconcile. Why were the disciple convening with Paul on matters of doctrine in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 and why did they ALL agree on theologies that Paul essentially writes about? Was Paul's call to apostleship of Jesus a false witness? Logically you would have to throw out the book of Acts and renounce Peters position as an apostle too if he considers Paul to be a brother...

 

[KoncreteMind]

Why didnt God put an end to Jesus if he was a false prophet like he did all the other false prophets? If Jesus isnt the Christ and just a mere false prophet then you could argue that he singlehandedly took down the God of the old testament and Judaism with incredible and effortless results... How was he able to spread his doctrine across the whole world and give us what we now know to be Christianity?

What other false prophets rose from the dead and started a world wide belief system?

But dont you believe Mohammed is a false prophet? Isnt his religion worldwide? How did God put an end to him? Also, wasnt Jesus hung on a tree like God said cursed men are? Would God curse His messenger who didnt deviate ONCE from God's will (according to you)?

The story doesnt make any sense and pointing to signs that came to pass (death and rebirth) isnt really relevant because God said He would send false prophets who would do signs and wonders in Deut 13. If you actually read the OT (and the apocrypha) you'd see that Gentiles CONTINUOUSLY looked for ways to get Israel to disobey God. Introducing this "Jesus" character (which was introduced under threat if you go thru the law books)was their way of doing that...

 

[Lyfe]

But dont you believe Mohammed is a false prophet? Isnt his religion worldwide? How did God put an end to him? Also, wasnt Jesus hung on a tree like God said cursed men are? Would God curse His messenger who didnt deviate ONCE from God's will (according to you)?

There is difference between Jesus and Muhammad though. Jesus and Christianity came directly out of Israel during the time of the patriarchs and prophets, when God was still active and reigning over the nation through the priesthood and law of Moses governance system. Not only that, but the sect of Christianity spread on the sole basis of the eye witness accounts of the resurrection and demonstrations of power through the holy spirit. If Jesus wasnt resurrected and there were not witnesses and signs and wonders nobody would have risked their life or left their homes to spread such a message on behalf of a dead man to the ends of the earth. God put an end to him you say and yet still he and his doctrine rose from the dead against the will of the God you say he opposed. He did it right in the heart of Israel and then managed to assemble a sect even after his own death that spread his message all over the world. Do you know how impossible the odds are against such a thing happening especially if Jesus was an enemy of God? Does God not have power over life and death and yet if he was enemies with Christ he somehow let him arise from the dead? The truth is that there is no belief strong enough to oppose such odds or even a legit driving motive to cosign your own death sentence in guarantied persecutions apart from the resurrection... There is no belief strong enough for men to die for such a cause in the beginning apart from signs and wonders performed in Jesus name.

What other false prophet came out of Israel during the days of the old covenant and started the premier belief system of the entire world?

Islam on the other hand didnt face such odds in its inception. It has hardly spread its messages and mosques past its middle east origins whereas churches and everything Christian related can be found throughout the whole world. Mohammed did not come out of Israel and begin to spread his message against all odds like you would suggest Jesus has. I dont know of a single mosque near where I live, nor a temple and Israel and the middle east is thousands of miles away from me where it originated...

 

[KoncreteMind]

There is difference between Jesus and Muhammad though. Jesus and Christianity came directly out of Israel during the time of the patriarchs and prophets, when God was still active and reigning over the nation through the priesthood and law of Moses governance system. Not only that, but the sect of Christianity spread on the sole basis of the eye witness accounts of the resurrection and demonstrations of power through the holy spirit. If Jesus wasnt resurrected and there were not witnesses and signs and wonders nobody would have risked their life or left their homes to spread such a message on behalf of a dead man to the ends of the earth. God put an end to him you say and yet still he and his doctrine rose from the dead against the will of the God you say he opposed. He did it right in the heart of Israel and then managed to assemble a sect even after his own death that spread his message all over the world. Do you know how impossible the odds are against such a thing happening especially if Jesus was an enemy of God? Does God not have power over life and death and yet if he was enemies with Christ he somehow let him arise from the dead? The truth is that there is no belief strong enough to oppose such odds or even a legit driving motive to cosign your own death sentence in guarantied persecutions apart from the resurrection... There is no belief strong enough for men to die for such a cause in the beginning apart from signs and wonders performed in Jesus name.

What other false prophet came out of Israel during the days of the old covenant and started the premier belief system of the entire world?

Islam on the other hand didnt face such odds in its inception. It has hardly spread its messages and mosques past its middle east origins whereas churches and everything Christian related can be found throughout the whole world. Mohammed did not come out of Israel and begin to spread his message against all odds like you would suggest Jesus has. I dont know of a single mosque near where I live, nor a temple and Israel and the middle east is thousands of miles away from me where it originated...

No Jesus and Christianity didnt come out of Israel. Thats why its written in Greek and not Hebrew. Its really this simple:

Deut 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

And by "other gods" its meant:

Deut 32:17
They sacrificed to demons, not to God, To gods they did not know, To new gods, new arrivals That your fathers did not fear.

"Jesus" is a new god nobody in the old testament knew. Yet in the NT he all of a sudden appears and becomes a central figure to their faith? Of course not. Its a test to see whether they would follow the new god, or stay steadfast to the God of Moses. If you cant show Abraham leaning on him like you do, why would you follow him?

When you take into account what I posted above, it doesnt matter what signs/wonders he did. It doesnt matter what type of following he had/has or how many people die(d) in his name. All that matters is if you can show Abraham having him as a central figure of his faith like Jesus is in yours. And not just Abraham, go all the way down and show anyone in the OT having some character named Jesus (or whatever name you want to use)as a central figure in their faith. We can show God, or YHWH or whatever you choose to refer to Him as being a central figure in everyone's faith. But His "son" who would later come to die for our sins? Not a peep about him.. And its because he's not a part of the Israelite faith. Thats just with Jesus. I didnt even get into the beliefs you hold that arent supported in the OT like human/god sacrifice or someone dying for your sins

As far as Muhammad,well, there are mosques all around the world, not just the middle east. Its a global religion, just not to the extent christianity is.

 

[Lyfe]

No Jesus and Christianity didnt come out of Israel. Thats why its written in Greek and not Hebrew. Its really this simple:

Deut 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

And by "other gods" its meant:

Deut 32:17
They sacrificed to demons, not to God, To gods they did not know, To new gods, new arrivals That your fathers did not fear.

"Jesus" is a new god nobody in the old testament knew. Yet in the NT he all of a sudden appears and becomes a central figure to their faith? Of course not. Its a test to see whether they would follow the new god, or stay steadfast to the God of Moses. If you cant show Abraham leaning on him like you do, why would you follow him?

When you take into account what I posted above, it doesnt matter what signs/wonders he did. It doesnt matter what type of following he had/has or how many people die(d) in his name. All that matters is if you can show Abraham having him as a central figure of his faith like Jesus is in yours. And not just Abraham, go all the way down and show anyone in the OT having some character named Jesus (or whatever name you want to use)as a central figure in their faith. We can show God, or YHWH or whatever you choose to refer to Him as being a central figure in everyone's faith. But His "son" who would later come to die for our sins? Not a peep about him.. And its because he's not a part of the Israelite faith. Thats just with Jesus. I didnt even get into the beliefs you hold that arent supported in the OT like human/god sacrifice or someone dying for your sins

As far as Muhammad,well, there are mosques all around the world, not just the middle east. Its a global religion, just not to the extent christianity is.

Jesus fulfilled the OT prophecies mate.

Not once did God allow his people go more than 70 years into dispersal and captivity in the OT. He never ingored his people that long and yet its been 2000 years since the last temple or priesthood to offer sacrifice. God is done with that system since the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. He destroyed the temple and Jerusalem in 70AD as final judgment toward them for denying his son and there has been nothing to even hint at a revival since... I pray God would open your eyes...

 

[Stephania]

Did the Illuminati Change the Bible?

No.