Did Jesus die ONLY for the Israelites?

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......a cult (culture), and that cult is known as "Christianity" which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the true Teachings of Christ.
....Christ said He was NOT sent but to the "House of Israel", with no ifs, and's or buts. And the House of Israel did NOT reject Christ; the "House of Judah" living among the "Jews" did..

1- Hold on mate, I thought you were a Christian yourself, but now you seem to be saying it's a 'cult'?
I also hear you quote from some book called the "King" something or other, instead of the Bible?

2- Yeah Jesus was sent to Israel but only to use it as a launch pad from where it spread across the whole world.
Israelis are still Jesus-rejecters, that's why they call themselves Jews and not Christians..:p
 






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A Freeman it has become evidently clear that you like other Muslims reject the authority of Pauls apostleship as ordained by Jesus Christ.
Nothing of the sort is true. Only the misinterpretations of Paul's letters by so-called Christians is rejected, along with their placing those misinterpretations of the letters of Paul above the Words directly from Christ.

If someone knows that the Scriptures, when properly interpreted, always agree, it eliminates the confusion.

Those passages of scripture I posted could not be any more transparent, yet you would act like they dont provide your position with any sort of controversy.
Exactly. Because they don't.

You place authority on Jesus as if to somehow imply that the same authority that was ordained to Paul is not the same authority of Jesus Christ as it was him who called him to be an apostle for the dispensation that began after his Crucifixion.
Correct. Except it isn't me placing authority on anyone. God Himself made it crystal clear that there is only ONE Master/Teacher: Christ, exactly as Christ Himself said.

Paul on the other hand, who wasn't even a disciple, was a primary school student OF Christ. He was meant, like all of the disciples and apostles, to go out and share what The Master/Teacher Christ taught. What part of "a student is NEVER above His Master" is difficult to understand please?

Paul was used to reveal mysteries and meanings to the kingdom of God that were still obscure to many during Christs first advent.
Paul's mission was to the Gentiles (Gal. 2:7). That's why Paul spent his time writing the Gentiles. It was his job. Do you know what a "Gentile" is please? It is someone who is a foreigner to the Kingdom of Israel (both houses), i.e. the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth. Paul being sent out to the Gentiles was fulfillment of Christ's prophecy about the wedding invitations being sent out to others, because many of those who had been placed in the Kingdom of Israel rejected the wedding invitation.

The disciples, on the other hand, were COMMANDED to go only to the 10-tribed "House of Israel", which were already scattered among the nations of the world at that time (James 1:1). The reason they were sent there, was to have maximum positive effect, as ALL Gentiles who believed were then to be grafted into Israel.

The disciples knew Christ better than anyone, having spent the most time around Him and learning directly from Him. That's why they needed to be placed in the heart of the "House of Israel".

I pray God would open your eyes to the deception you cling to as you are misleading the church of Christ and would teach Christians even though you yourself hide the fact that while you teach the saints you are in fact a Muslim and judge scripture in light of the Quaran as the ultimate authority.
This is exactly why Christ COMMANDED us NOT to judge others, because humans ALWAYS judge everyone and everything incorrectly, through human eyes. I am NOT a "Muslim", nor a "Christian" nor a "Jew", nor is there any personal affiliation with ANY organized religion, denomination, sect, cult, etc.

There is ONE Master/Teacher on this planet, and that is Christ, Who is here now, like a thief in the night, while most of the world remains asleep and unenlightened.

Please stop judging others for their sake as well as your own.

You may be able to possibly deceive other Christians, but I know my Bible and don't need someone to interpret it for me which we are warned against that scripture is of no private interpretation.
And yet you've displayed you have no idea what the term "Jew" meant then or now, or what the term "Gentile" meant then and now, as evidenced by your posts. All while your "self" admonishes me for striving to reach out to others of all walks of life to direct them to Christ (not to pagan Christianity, but to Christ Himself), exactly as Christ Commands.

The holy spirit bares witness to Jesus and Jesus alone and would not lead anyone to embrace the words of Mohammad as truth.
Says your arrogant and judgmental human "self", which Christ and Paul both told us MUST be crucified DAILY (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) .
 






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Nothing of the sort is true. Only the misinterpretations of Paul's letters by so-called Christians is rejected, along with their placing those misinterpretations of the letters of Paul above the Words directly from Christ.
2Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All scripture including the epistles from Paul carry the same weight and relevance to that of Christs spoken words through the gospels. There is no differentiating the words of Paul or Jesus in terms of relevance neither is there placing one as having more importance than the other. ALL scripture is breathed by God himself.

Exactly. Because they don't.
Yet they do provide your held position that Jesus only came for the tribes of Israel with much controversy. I will post them again and will ask you to reexamine your stance that Jesus came only for the tribes of Israel. ALL scripture is inspired of God, meaning Paul's epistles have the same weight and authority as any other author in the Bible.

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God is not a respector of persons according to genealogy and God does not inhibit ones salvation by their ethnicity.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

If you still conclude that Jesus only came to save the tribes of Israel then you are practicing cognitive dissonance.

The disciples knew Christ better than anyone, having spent the most time around Him and learning directly from Him. That's why they needed to be placed in the heart of the "House of Israel".
All scripture is God breathed as I have already pointed out, making any attempt to give the disciples epistles more authority than Pauls moot.

2Cor 11:5 Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles.

2Cor 12:11 I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I was not at all inferior to these super-apostles, even though I am nothing.

And yet you've displayed you have no idea what the term "Jew" meant then or now, or what the term "Gentile" meant then and now, as evidenced by your posts. All while your "self" admonishes me for striving to reach out to others of all walks of life to direct them to Christ (not to pagan Christianity, but to Christ Himself), exactly as Christ Commands.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The term jew or gentile carries hardly any meaning in the context of the body of Christ as there is no difference between jew or gentile, all that matters is a new creation in Christ Jesus as all are ONE in HIM without partiality.

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The holy spirit bares witness to Jesus and Jesus alone and would not lead anyone to embrace the words of Mohammad as truth.
Says your arrogant and judgmental human "self", which Christ and Paul both told us MUST be crucified DAILY (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) .
Says Jesus...

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The holy spirit is the spirit of Christ. It is the same spirit behind the inspiration of the scriptures. The same spirit behind the inspiration of the scripture that says...

1Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The doctrine contained within the Quaran is a different altogether, yet you use it as authoritative and regard it as under the inspiration from the same God. This prophet Jesus is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Gods revelation to man was made complete through Christ and at the end of the book of the revelation. There was no further revelation of God to be revealed in the Quaran through Mohammed and this is warned against all throughout scripture. Mohammad cannot lay upon a foundation that was already completed through the Bible and Christ.

1Cor 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 






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No, Christianity isn’t a cult.
It is according to Christ (Matt. 6:5-8, Matt. 7:21-24). And according to the Apostles (Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24).

Why does Jesus ask us to baptize in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit..if there’s no truth to the trinity?
The truth is Christ didn't. The Roman Catholic church was caught red-handed inserting that rubbish, just like they inserted the "Johannine Comma" in 1 John 5:7.

Here is the original text for Matthew 28:19:-

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour),

Besides there being no mention of any trinity in the original text, how do we know with absolute certainty that Christ didn't tell anyone to baptize in "the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? Because every single disciple and apostle would have been guilty of directly disobeying Him if that were true.

Acts 2:38 – Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus (The Saviour) Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus (The Saviour) Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 8:16 – For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (The Saviour).

Acts 10:48 – So Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus (The Saviour) the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for several days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (Saviour).

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest you? arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord (and Saviour).

Romans 6:3 Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul? [Implied]

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ (The Saviour - NOT some pagan "trinity").

If you're interested, here is the original text for 1 John 5:6-8, before the RCC added their trinitarian nonsense sometime around 1522 AD:-

1 John 5:6-8 (original)
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is Truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record,
5:8 The Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Of course Christ repeatedly told us that Father is Greater Than ALL, including Him (Christ), and that Father is His (Christ's) God, whereas the "trinity" depends upon the LIE that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal.

So no, there is no trinity, and in truth, Christ NEVER Commanded anyone to baptize in the name of it.

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall NOT stand:

I know that the Jews, covers it all.
No, you don't, and no, they don't. The 10-tribed "House of Israel" is NEVER referred to as "the Jews" anywhere in Scripture.

No...not all Christianity is the blind leading the blind..there are some that are wolves in sheep’s clothing but God still has His church.
God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands, so anyone who believes the exact opposite is the blind leading the blind" exactly as Christ said.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the Most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

You can’t be on your best behavior...you’re a sinner...
You can't stop yourself from stealing? From murdering others? From committing adultery? From coveting your neighbors possessions? From lying? From cheating? of course your wrong again, contradicting Scriptures as usual and proving you don't know Christ, Who told us plainly that WITH God, ALL things are possible, which is why we should be striving to BE PERFECT, just as Father IS Perfect.

1 John 2:3-6
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 5:2-3
5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and KEEP His Commandments.
5:3 For THIS is the love of God, that we KEEP His Commandments: and His Commandments are NOT grievous.

you can’t be saved by your good works..but by the blood of Jesus..you come to the throne of God in grace and faith to be saved and not of yourself.
You come to the throne of God in HUMILITY and OBEDIENCE, following Christ's EXAMPLE.

Ephesians 2:8-10
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (do them - good works).

There is no faith without the doing of GOOD (Godly) works (James 2:17-26). Why else would Christ tell us several times that He WILL judge all of us according to our WORKS (Matt. 16:27, Rev. 20:12-15)?

How am I not Christ like?
Christ keeps The Law. Do you?
Christ teaches that The Law will NEVER go away. So why do you teach the exact opposite?
Christ's is the Truth. So why do you so frequently contradict Him? Why do you instruct others to not take Christ at His Word, incessantly looking for some cherry-picked verse from the letters of Paul that you mistakenly believe somehow supersedes and/or reverses Christ's Teachings?
Why do you believe and promote the pagan trinity, which denies the Father and Son relationship between Father and Christ, and calls Christ a liar (1 John 2:22-23)? Can you really not see how overtly anti-Christ virtually everything you say is?

Please take this not to heart, but to your mind (Soul) and reflect upon these things, while there is still time to repent of all of this evil. If you genuinely wish to serve Christ, then begin by DOING what He says.

‭‭ANYONE who truly loves Christ and believes Him will DO what He says, instead of continuing to do the exact opposite. And those who believe Him WILL be saved.
 






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2Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All scripture including the epistles from Paul carry the same weight and relevance to that of Christs spoken words through the gospels. There is no differentiating the words of Paul or Jesus in terms of relevance neither is there placing one as having more importance than the other. ALL scripture is breathed by God himself.



Yet they do provide your held position that Jesus only came for the tribes of Israel with much controversy. I will post them again and will ask you to reexamine your stance that Jesus came only for the tribes of Israel. ALL scripture is inspired of God, meaning Paul's epistles have the same weight and authority as any other author in the Bible.

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God is not a respector of persons according to genealogy and God does not inhibit ones salvation by their ethnicity.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

If you still conclude that Jesus only came to save the tribes of Israel then you are practicing cognitive dissonance.



All scripture is God breathed as I have already pointed out, making any attempt to give the disciples epistles more authority than Pauls moot.

2Cor 11:5 Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles.

2Cor 12:11 I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I was not at all inferior to these super-apostles, even though I am nothing.



Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The term jew or gentile carries hardly any meaning in the context of the body of Christ as there is no difference between jew or gentile, all that matters is a new creation in Christ Jesus as all are ONE in HIM without partiality.



Says Jesus...

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The holy spirit is the spirit of Christ. It is the same spirit behind the inspiration of the scriptures. The same spirit behind the inspiration of the scripture that says...

1Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The doctrine contained within the Quaran is a different altogether, yet you use it as authoritative and regard it as under the inspiration from the same God. This prophet Jesus is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Gods revelation to man was made complete through Christ and at the end of the book of the revelation. There was no further revelation of God to be revealed in the Quaran through Mohammed and this is warned against all throughout scripture. Mohammad cannot lay upon a foundation that was already completed through the Bible and Christ.

1Cor 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
How can the Truth, directly from Christ cause "much controversy"?

You keep pretending that it's somehow my "held position" that Christ came only for the "lost sheep" of the "HOUSE OF ISRAEL", when those are Christ's own words.

Again, directly from Christ:
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel" (the Ten "Lost" Tribes of Israel).

You can cite passages all you wish that you mistakenly believe say the opposite of what Christ says, but you will ALWAYS be wrong. The problem isn't with the passages themselves, of course. The problem is with those who try to misuse them to contradict Christ.
 






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...so then you do ultimately deny Paul's apostleship and in doing so you subsequently infer that Jesus must have made a mistake in choosing a man who would eventually contradict him?

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Acts 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Acts 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
 






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..The problem isn't with the passages themselves, of course. The problem is with those who try to misuse them to contradict Christ.
Jesus told his disciples to buy swords to face the troubles ahead, so perhaps we should take him literally rather than contradict him, and tool up with .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis..:p
 






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...so then you do ultimately deny Paul's apostleship and in doing so you subsequently infer that Jesus must have made a mistake in choosing a man who would eventually contradict him?

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Acts 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Acts 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Why do you keep telling yourself that lie? It's YOU who keep trying to find some sort of justification for your ERRANT belief that the letters of Paul somehow contain messages that are at odds with what Christ teaches, and somehow supersede and/or replace The Master's (Christ's) teachings.

A few examples, provided for your benefit:-

1) Christ plainly teaches that The Law (the National Moral Law given to Israel) will NEVER go away. Paul likewise teaches the same, but "Christians" come along and profess to understand Paul's letters while falsely claiming they do away with The Law, which is not only utterly ridiculous but is satanically calling Christ a liar, which is fatally stupid.

2) Christ plainly teaches that He was sent by God Himself ONLY to the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel" (the 10 "lost" tribes of Israel), which were already scattered abroad at the time of Jesus, exactly as James wrote in James 1:1. Paul was sent to the Gentiles (foreigners, those outside both the "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah") to BRING THEM INTO ISRAEL. And how was he to do that? BY TEACHING THEM THE LAW. Because, as it says in The Law (and throughout the New Covenant/Testament as well), everyone IN Israel (the people Israel, which are the Kingdom of God here on Earth) MUST KEEP THE LAW (i.e. stop sinning against Father, against one another, and against our natural surroundings Father created).

So what do "Christians" do? They falsely claim (as you are trying to do) that Paul's recruiting mission to the Gentiles somehow turns Christ's COMMANDS into lies, supposedly because He really didn't mean He was only sent to the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel", and must have made a mistake by sending His disciples to them as well, and is just joking when He plainly states that only 144,000 from the tribes of Israel (specifically 12,000 from among the 12 named tribes) will be redeemed from the Earth. Again, calling Christ a liar.

3) Christ plainly teaches that we will ALL be judged ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, exactly as Paul does. But "Christians" come along and again falsely claim that the letters attributed to Paul somehow do away with that requirement, as if we can all be one big happy gentile family here on Earth while continuing to stab each other in the back and multiplying our SELFISH/EVIL/SINFUL/LAWLESS and materialistic ways, expecting a big reward at the end of another human life of doing whatever we think we can get away with - again calling Christ a liar.

Are you starting to see how "Christians" twist (wrest) the letters of Paul into whatever they wish so they can continue feeling good about themselves while MULTIPLYING EVIL (sin) here on Earth? Did Christ come to multiply sin? God forbid. CHRIST CAME TO DESTROY SIN, which are the works of the devil, defined simply as breaking The Law.

So why then to "Christians" work so diligently at making Christ out to be a liar, while teaching the exact opposite of Christ and blaming that satanic ritual on Paul?

Look at everything you boldfaced in the above passages. All it says is Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Does that in any way negate or supersede what Christ said? Of course not. Paul was sent to the Gentiles to offer wedding invitations. And anyone accepting said invitation--BY KEEPING THE LAW OF GOD--would be grafted into Israel, thus becoming an Israelite, exactly as it says in The Law.

The word "Israel" means "Champion of God", i..e one who champions God's Cause here on Earth.
The word 'Gentile" means FOREIGNER, which is someone who is ALIEN to the Commonwealth of Israel, and thus intentionally continues to live in sin (i.e. does NOT keep The Law).

THERE WILL NOT BE ONE SINGLE GENTILE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH ACCORDING TO CHRIST.

On Judgment Day, ANYONE who, of their own free will, chooses to remain a Gentile, outside of God's Law and His Kingdom, refusing to DO God's Will, will face The Fire. That's why it's critically important for the "Elect" to wake up, stop being so selfish and stupid and enamored with the ways of the world (organized religions/the traditions of men, which teach people to break God's Law/Commandments), and help build God's Kingdom here on Earth.
 






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1- Hold on mate, I thought you were a Christian yourself,
We are COMMANDED by Christ to make DISCIPLES of all nations, NOT "Christians".

but now you seem to be saying it's a 'cult'?
Isn't that what Christ Himself said? What do you think "the traditions of men" are? And what do ALL religions/cults/cultures/the traditions of men do? THEY MAKE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD OF NO EFFECT.

I also hear you quote from some book called the "King" something or other, instead of the Bible?
It's the King of kings' BIBLE.

2- Yeah Jesus was sent to Israel but
There are no "ifs", "ands" or "buts", which do nothing more than a vain attempt to make Christ into a liar.

only to use it as a launch pad from where it spread across the whole world.
Which is where the "House of Israel" already was at the time of Jesus.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Christ Jesus (and Jesus half-brother), to the twelve tribes (of Israel) WHICH ARE SCATTERED ABROAD: Greetings.

Israelis are still Jesus-rejecters, that's why they call themselves Jews and not Christians..:p
We are NOT talking about Talmud-worshipping Israelis (over 95% of which are Ashkenazis and Idumean Edomites), which are them which call themselves Jews but are NOT.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE (Idumeans); behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

We are talking about TRUE ISRAELITES, and specifically "the Elect". Most of the 12 tribes of Israel converted to Christianity long ago, accepting Christ in name, but unfortunately not His True Teachings.

Jesus told his disciples to buy swords to face the troubles ahead, so perhaps we should take him literally rather than contradict him, and tool up with .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis..:p
Why do you say such ridiculous things? Were .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis available during the times when Jesus walked the Earth? No. Swords were. What are swords? WEAPONS, to be used to enforce God's Law which would PREVENT tyranny.

Under The Law it is a capital offense to be a bankster, a lawyer, a politician or a war-monger. And carrying out the rightful penalty for said crimes could be by stoning, by sword or by any means available, including bullets or shells.
 






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Tidal said- Jesus told his disciples to buy swords to face the troubles ahead, so perhaps we should take him literally rather than contradict him, and tool up with .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis..:p

Why do you say such ridiculous things? Were .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis available during the times when Jesus walked the Earth? No. Swords were. What are swords? WEAPONS, to be used to enforce God's Law which would PREVENT tyranny.

I'm not sure I understand you mate, you seem to be a Bible literalist so are we to take this verse literally and buy swords off the internet?
"Jesus said to them “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
(Luke 22:36)
 






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Why do you keep telling yourself that lie? It's YOU who keep trying to find some sort of justification for your ERRANT belief that the letters of Paul somehow contain messages that are at odds with what Christ teaches, and somehow supersede and/or replace The Master's (Christ's) teachings.

A few examples, provided for your benefit:-

1) Christ plainly teaches that The Law (the National Moral Law given to Israel) will NEVER go away. Paul likewise teaches the same, but "Christians" come along and profess to understand Paul's letters while falsely claiming they do away with The Law, which is not only utterly ridiculous but is satanically calling Christ a liar, which is fatally stupid.

2) Christ plainly teaches that He was sent by God Himself ONLY to the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel" (the 10 "lost" tribes of Israel), which were already scattered abroad at the time of Jesus, exactly as James wrote in James 1:1. Paul was sent to the Gentiles (foreigners, those outside both the "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah") to BRING THEM INTO ISRAEL. And how was he to do that? BY TEACHING THEM THE LAW. Because, as it says in The Law (and throughout the New Covenant/Testament as well), everyone IN Israel (the people Israel, which are the Kingdom of God here on Earth) MUST KEEP THE LAW (i.e. stop sinning against Father, against one another, and against our natural surroundings Father created).

So what do "Christians" do? They falsely claim (as you are trying to do) that Paul's recruiting mission to the Gentiles somehow turns Christ's COMMANDS into lies, supposedly because He really didn't mean He was only sent to the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel", and must have made a mistake by sending His disciples to them as well, and is just joking when He plainly states that only 144,000 from the tribes of Israel (specifically 12,000 from among the 12 named tribes) will be redeemed from the Earth. Again, calling Christ a liar.

3) Christ plainly teaches that we will ALL be judged ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, exactly as Paul does. But "Christians" come along and again falsely claim that the letters attributed to Paul somehow do away with that requirement, as if we can all be one big happy gentile family here on Earth while continuing to stab each other in the back and multiplying our SELFISH/EVIL/SINFUL/LAWLESS and materialistic ways, expecting a big reward at the end of another human life of doing whatever we think we can get away with - again calling Christ a liar.

Are you starting to see how "Christians" twist (wrest) the letters of Paul into whatever they wish so they can continue feeling good about themselves while MULTIPLYING EVIL (sin) here on Earth? Did Christ come to multiply sin? God forbid. CHRIST CAME TO DESTROY SIN, which are the works of the devil, defined simply as breaking The Law.

So why then to "Christians" work so diligently at making Christ out to be a liar, while teaching the exact opposite of Christ and blaming that satanic ritual on Paul?

Look at everything you boldfaced in the above passages. All it says is Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Does that in any way negate or supersede what Christ said? Of course not. Paul was sent to the Gentiles to offer wedding invitations. And anyone accepting said invitation--BY KEEPING THE LAW OF GOD--would be grafted into Israel, thus becoming an Israelite, exactly as it says in The Law.

The word "Israel" means "Champion of God", i..e one who champions God's Cause here on Earth.
The word 'Gentile" means FOREIGNER, which is someone who is ALIEN to the Commonwealth of Israel, and thus intentionally continues to live in sin (i.e. does NOT keep The Law).

THERE WILL NOT BE ONE SINGLE GENTILE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH ACCORDING TO CHRIST.

On Judgment Day, ANYONE who, of their own free will, chooses to remain a Gentile, outside of God's Law and His Kingdom, refusing to DO God's Will, will face The Fire. That's why it's critically important for the "Elect" to wake up, stop being so selfish and stupid and enamored with the ways of the world (organized religions/the traditions of men, which teach people to break God's Law/Commandments), and help build God's Kingdom here on Earth.
Nobody is grafted into Israel and saved by the works of the law. It is purely by faith and belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if [it be] yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

The holy ghost is the earnest and seal of salvation. One does not receive the holy ghost by first observing the law of Moses, they receive it upon confession and belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now I see you falsely teach as well that God calls his people to set up a kingdom here on earth along with other things when God gives his people the ministry of reconciliation to reconcile to himself a people on earth for the aim that they may be partakers of a kingdom not of this world as Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. You are deceiving and being deceived yourself and nobody who knows the full counsel of God and is able to rightly divide will hearken to your sayings. I have nothing more to debate with you as it was warned that false teachers would arise speaking perverse things. I pray the holy spirit of God would shine a light of truth over the deceptions you cling to and that you would become familiar with his influence and leading, because lord knows the spirit of Christ will not lead to finding truth in the Quaran. Gods spirit of freedom and liberty also does not lead one to become perfected in the flesh through the law as one who has been born again is made free from sin. I have no desire to sin and live in sin, because God has done in me supernaturally through the spirit what the law could not do, which was perfect the conscience of the believer and give him a new heart fashioned in the likeness and image of Gods. I dont think you understand this, because if you did you would point to the new testament and ministration of the holy spirit and not back to the oldness of the letter within the law of Moses. The law is useful for those without who do not know God , but not for someone who has already been born again of his spirit.

1Tim 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Tim 1:8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I have no desire to live a life dictated by lawlessness or flesh and this is a work of Gods spirit. I am made free from the law, yet you preach bondage.
 






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Tidal said- Jesus told his disciples to buy swords to face the troubles ahead, so perhaps we should take him literally rather than contradict him, and tool up with .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis..:p




I'm not sure I understand you mate, you seem to be a Bible literalist so are we to take this verse literally and buy swords off the internet?
"Jesus said to them “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
(Luke 22:36)
Man I always found that verse a really difficult one, never quite grasped what the proper interpretation might be. Obviously he's not suggesting violence, being "The Prince of Peace". Sometimes the sword is used in conjurations to drive away tenebrous forces. It's also in the Tarot, which I assume Christ would have been familiar with as it came from Egypt and seemingly was known to the Hebrews, considering how neatly it fits with the Kabbalah. The Sword is associated in it with the element of Air, which is associated with Intellect, and in Buddhist symbolism as well the sword is associated with Intelligence or "discriminating wisdom". So I guess it could be an injunction to inquire, study and develop wisdom through cultivating the intellect.

Or maybe it has something to do with causing division in the correct manner, Swords in the Tarot can also symbolize division. After all Christ said "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law". Intelligent or correct division is to say breaking the unity between the dark forces and the people, an improper kind of unity which is imposed upon the people by false consciousness. Because there should be a division between the people and the dark forces which rule over them, if they are not in a state of rebellion then the situation is not as it should be.

Well, that's just my thoughts. Maybe others have some thoughts on the proper interpretation?
 






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Tidal said- Jesus told his disciples to buy swords to face the troubles ahead, so perhaps we should take him literally rather than contradict him, and tool up with .44 Magnums, AK-47's and Uzis..:p




I'm not sure I understand you mate, you seem to be a Bible literalist so are we to take this verse literally and buy swords off the internet?
"Jesus said to them “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
(Luke 22:36)
Please use your God-given common-sense.

- If God says He is ONE God, He means He is ONE, NOT 3=1, or 1=3, or 1 in 3, or 3 in 1 or anything other than exactly one.

- If God COMMANDS us not to steal, lie, commit adultery or murder others, He means exactly what He says. He doesn't mean it's okay under some circumstances and not okay under others. There are no caveats.

- If Christ says He was not sent but for the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel", He doesn't mean He really came for them and another group, or anything other than exactly what He said.

- If Christ says Father (God) will ONLY seal and redeem 144,000 from the children of Israel, He doesn't mean any more or any less. He means exactly what He says.

- If, on the other hand, Christ tells us a story in parable form, then it is a parable, i.e. a lesson presented in story form.

- How could Christ 2000 years ago tell the simple-minded people of that time about guns, helicopter gunships, rockets, spaceships, etc.? They already thought He was crazy, which is why He told His Disciples He had many other things to tell them that they were not ready to hear.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them NOW.

And on the subject of swords, don't you think it would still be a good idea today, with everything going on in the world, to have both knives and a sword or swords, in case there comes a time when bullets are not readily available? A gun without bullets is little more than a club, isn't it? And how would what Christ said preclude other weapons?

Do you even know why you ask such questions, or who it is who motivates you to do so please?
 






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Please use your God-given common-sense.

- If God says He is ONE God, He means He is ONE, NOT 3=1, or 1=3, or 1 in 3, or 3 in 1 or anything other than exactly one.

- If God COMMANDS us not to steal, lie, commit adultery or murder others, He means exactly what He says. He doesn't mean it's okay under some circumstances and not okay under others. There are no caveats.

- If Christ says He was not sent but for the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel", He doesn't mean He really came for them and another group, or anything other than exactly what He said.

- If Christ says Father (God) will ONLY seal and redeem 144,000 from the children of Israel, He doesn't mean any more or any less. He means exactly what He says.

- If, on the other hand, Christ tells us a story in parable form, then it is a parable, i.e. a lesson presented in story form.

- How could Christ 2000 years ago tell the simple-minded people of that time about guns, helicopter gunships, rockets, spaceships, etc.? They already thought He was crazy, which is why He told His Disciples He had many other things to tell them that they were not ready to hear.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them NOW.

And on the subject of swords, don't you think it would still be a good idea today, with everything going on in the world, to have both knives and a sword or swords, in case there comes a time when bullets are not readily available? A gun without bullets is little more than a club, isn't it? And how would what Christ said preclude other weapons?

Do you even know why you ask such questions, or who it is who motivates you to do so please?
I don't think it's possible to understand numbers in the Bible without having some knowledge of Kabbalah. It's all encoded so that only the esotericists can grasp it. Of course that unfortunately means that the dark forces who have esoteric knowledge understand things which the exoteric interpreters don't, and this gives them some power.

Literalism is a degeneration, look at all these crazy yanqui evangelicals, they are about the most spiritually toxic people it's possible to encounter. And it's in large part because they are the most literalist of all the sects.
 






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Tidal said-
"Jesus said to them “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
(Luke 22:36)

Man I always found that verse a really difficult one, never quite grasped what the proper interpretation might be..

Jesus was JOKING in a cynical way, that's all.. :)
A parallel nowadays would be if a dad was watching the riots and stuff on TV and jokingly said to his wife and kids- "Okay everybody, there'll be rough times ahead so I suppose we'd better get down the gun shop tomorrow to tool up" , without really meaning it.
Right Rock?

 






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Tidal said-
"Jesus said to them “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
(Luke 22:36)




Jesus was JOKING in a cynical way, that's all.. :)
A parallel nowadays would be if a dad was watching the riots and stuff on TV and jokingly said to his wife and kids- "Okay everybody, there'll be rough times ahead so I suppose we'd better get down the gun shop tomorrow to tool up" , without really meaning it.
Right Rock?

Hmm ok... I don't think that Yeshua would joke like that. Especially given that if He were to do so a lot of people might not think it's a joke and go and do silly things.
 






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Please use your God-given common-sense.
- If God says He is ONE God, He means He is ONE, NOT 3=1, or 1=3, or 1 in 3, or 3 in 1 or anything other than exactly one.

What the heck's that supposed to mean? Are we supposed to send your posts to the Bletchley Park codebreakers to fathom out for us?..:p
Anyway, seeing as you're into numbers, perhaps you could interpret for us what '666 the number of the beast' means, as nobody seems to have done so and there are dozens of theories flying around.
 






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Nobody is grafted into Israel and saved by the works of the law. It is purely by faith and belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
There is no such thing as faith without works.

James 2:8, 12, 17-26 (read the entire chapter and book of James, Jesus' Disciple and Half-Brother)
2:8 If ye fulfil the Royal Law [of God] according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, YE DO WELL:

2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the (Royal) Law of Liberty (God's Laws).

2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example - Sura 16:123; 60:4)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.


The "works of The Law" that Paul referred to in Galatians, which so-called Christians misuse to justify their evil/sinful/criminal behavior, were the animal sacrifices that people made to atone for their sins before the crucifixion and resurrection, to foreshadow "self" sacrifice. Animal sacrifice was replaced with "self" sacrifice at the cross.

Read: The Galatian Citation
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-galatian-citation.7069/

Clearly God wants us to do GOOD works, because that's what He created us to do (Eph. 2:10).

I have no desire to live a life dictated by lawlessness or flesh and this is a work of Gods spirit.
And yet that's exactly what you are doing and teaching to others, in direct opposition to Christ's TRUE Teachings.

Christ said not to think He came to destroy The Law, because The Law (Commandments of God) will NEVER go away, and anyone who breaks the Commandments and teaches others to do so is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-19). So why are you doing the exact opposite of what Christ COMMANDS? And who do you think it serves to disobey God?

I am made free from the law, yet you preach bondage.
You have it exactly backwards again. It's YOU who teach and preach bondage TO SIN. Sin is breaking The Law, so logically, the only way one can be FREE from the bondage of sin is to KEEP THE LAW (the Commandments of God).

1 John 2:1-7
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old Commandment which ye had from the Beginning. The old Commandment is The Word which ye have heard from the Beginning.

THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW AND LOVE CHRIST IS TO KEEP THE LAW/COMMANDMENTS OF GOD (John 14:15, 21-24).
 






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Hmm ok... I don't think that Yeshua would joke like that. Especially given that if He were to do so a lot of people might not think it's a joke and go and do silly things.

Yes, Bible literalists regard every word as inflexible, for example the Waco Cult used the "buy swords" verse and others like it as an excuse to turn their place into an armed fortress.
The trick of course is NOT to take every word literally, but to take it in context with surrounding verses and see the big picture..:)
 






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What the heck's that supposed to mean? Are we supposed to send your posts to the Bletchley Park codebreakers to fathom out for us?..
From the King of kings' Bible John 8:34-38 (John 8:43-47 KJV)
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

8:37 Which of you convicteth me of sin? And if I say the Truth, why do ye not believe me?
8:38 He that is of God heareth God's Words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.


:p
Anyway, seeing as you're into numbers, perhaps you could interpret for us what '666 the number of the beast' means, as nobody seems to have done so and there are dozens of theories flying around.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man (created 6th. day); and its number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six (man, man, man*).

*Always thinking about the human animal/beast, rather than about the spiritual, as we MUST do to even be able to "see" the Kingdom of God, much less be able to enter it..

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
 






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