Did Jesus Christ give christians license to sin ?

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  1. Faker He-Man

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    So... for those who might find it useful, the absolute most effective way to deal with passive-aggressive behavior is to not let it appear to affect you. You don't even have to completely ignore the person as long as you are simply speaking and not reacting. Usually this behavior stops when the person notices there is no reaction to it.

    I don't enjoy immediately feeling all of these tense emotions whenever I visit this site, so just trying to help lighten the mood. Carry on.
     
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  2. Damien50

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    Out of curiosity, are there verses related to being miserable due to sinning whilst saved?
     
  3. Red Sky at Morning

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    The Prodigal Son was miserable...
     
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  4. Damien50

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    I get that but when I read that parable I wouldn't equate it to salvation and being miserable in sin.
     

  5. Red Sky at Morning

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    Ok then, this one is a bit harder, but I think it has the sense of misery for the one who doesn't abide in Jesus...

    John 14

    4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7

    Mixture of singular and plural here indicate the following interpretation to me...

    He is cast forth as a branch and is withered (sounds like a miserable experience!)

    The fruit of this out of fellowship believers life is gathered up and burned, being worthless.
     
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  6. Daciple

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    I surely do, what is one of the first things it says:

    Luke 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

    He received his inheritance, I believe that is showing this is a saved person. Of course one can interpret it differently if they choose but it says the son received his inheritance. Then it speaks of how he lived afterwards saying:

    there wasted his substance with riotous living.


    So it was wasted in riotous living, sounds like sin to me. And then what does the son realize?

    Luke 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
    18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

    So the son realized that he could go back to the Father tell him He sinned and ask for forgiveness.

    To me this is definitely about someone who was given Salvation, wasted it from Sin, comes to find himself in a pig pen, repents and comes back to the Father...

     
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  7. Red Sky at Morning

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    I remember Superman in the seedy bar drinking his shots. He was still the same person, but living far at a level less than he was born to be (and he wasn't helping anyone!) - once upon a time the Holy Spirit convicted me of this. I took the point (eventually!).
     
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  8. Damien50

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    Luke 15:13-14 KJV
    And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. [14] And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

    I see those two versus and think that the famine represented there being no presence of God not equating it to a born again Christian being miserable in sin. I'm not saying that sinning won't make one miserable but that it isn't exclusive to the saved as if Jesus tickles the uvula whenever someone sins. Everyone is going to sin whether saved or not and it grieves everyone but no one just stops because they are saved.
     
  9. Red Sky at Morning

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    Paul exhorts us to count ourselves dead to sin because if what we have become, i.e. new creations. When we sin, we grieve the Holy Spirit. If we are born again, this in turn will make us sorrowful...
     
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    But it's not exclusive to being saved. That guilt was present in the old Testament, it isn't new and isn't something different due to salvation.
     
  11. Red Sky at Morning

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    I agree that anyone can feel guilty for wrongdoing. If you are born again, you have that conviction from not only from your own conscience, but from the Holy Spirit who you grieve when you live in a way that is contrary to his wishes for you.

    A Christian is this state will soon feel the "heavens are like brass" and if they have experienced peace and joy of close communion with the Lord, the absence of it feels very empty indeed.
     
  12. Damien50

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    I haven't lived long enough so if you wouldn't mind providing verses to help me in my learning. Please.

    Not purposely being adversarial just trying to understand where the root thought stemmed from.
     
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    Was anyone in the Old Testament offered salvation through Jesus Christ? What kind of question is that? Also, are some of you unaware that many in the Bible were heinous sinners? Peter denying Jesus three times would have every Christian in the world today saying he'd be damned, yet is he? Samson committed suicide, pretty much. King David not only committed adultery, but had the husband of the woman he did it with killed in an effort to hide it. His son, King Solomon, a man God loved and bestowed untold riches and wisdom to fell to witchcraft. Was he damned? The answer to all of these is no!

    How many of you would dare put yourselves above these men? Are you somehow better than them? You'd have to be, if you stopped sinning all on your own.
     
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    Beloved, if our heart may not condemn us, we have boldness toward God,
    and whatever we may ask, we receive from Him, because His commands we keep, and the things pleasing before Him we do,
    and this is His command, that we may believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and may love one another, even as He did give command to us, and he who is keeping His commands, in Him he doth remain, and He in him; and in this we know that He doth remain in us, from the Spirit that He gave us.
    Every one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ, of God he hath been begotten, and every one who is loving Him who did beget, doth love also him who is begotten of Him:
    in this we know that we love the children of God, when we may love God, and His commands may keep;
    for this is the love of God, that His commands we may keep, and His commands are not burdensome;
    because every one who is begotten of God doth overcome the world, and this is the victory that did overcome the world -- our faith;
     
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    Floss was of the opinion that King Saul was saved or something....you would have to ask him why. If you move down some in the posts he gives a link to got questions of why he believes this. I didn’t have time yet to look at it.

    Truth is, we don’t know the answer to the questions you pose about Samson, King David or Solomon do we? Is it in the Bible that they all weren’t damned?

    I never implied, and I don’t think the verses that I have shared with people implies that one sin and your done with God. I think the falling away happens over time, well in my mind. However, I think there could be certain situations like the rapture not happening to you before the great trib, that may make people fall away. But, idk for sure about it all.

    I just advocate for Christian’s being able to fall away from the faith because the Bible says that. My belief has nothing to do with thinking I’m better than anyone else or have stopped sinning...2Timothy 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.
    I don’t know how anyone could say that we are once saved always saved after that, honestly...
     
  18. Lisa

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    @floss
    I finally read your link about King Saul, let me ask you, is everyone mentioned in the Bible going to heaven? Do you think some wouldn’t be? Because there are going to be people before the white throne in judgement. The last we see of Saul, his fate did not look good for him....
     
  19. Red Sky at Morning

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    Fortunately for me (when I got lost) my faith was not in a system but in a person. In the end, perhaps the best story is the Parable of the Lost Sheep. They all belonged to the Lord, He left the ninety-nine and went after the one that was lost. When he found it in a sorry state he picked it up,and he carried it home.

    God bless you, Damien
     
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    How could anyone get 2 Timothy 4:1 out of context?
    But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

    Does anyone who falls away from the faith really expect to go to heaven?
     

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