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First off, the story of the adulteress woman is an interpolation and is not in your two oldest and most complete Bibles. But let's say it wasn't an interpolation did she then go and never sin again? Did she become perfect all of a sudden because she was "born again"?No worries.
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Answer: I sin no more.
In the Paul thread, you said you'll take Jesus' words any day. So here's His statement to the woman caught in adultery (John 8)
And Jesus said to her,
“Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
And how is it any different from what @rainerann said?
Rainerann said:You cannot be born again and continue to sin. There is not such thing as a person who continue committing adultery after becoming saved. It would make you miserable. If is like having an allergic reaction to sin when you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I'll answer your question after you answer mine which I have been asking forever but all of you seem to be beating around the bush and not giving me a clear answer.@Kung Fu -
Here is an interesting one - does the Bible teach that all believers are sinless and without fault the moment they believe and from then on? What do the Book of Acts and the letters of Paul indicate?
Once you become "born again" do you still continue to sin or do you sin no more?Rainerann said:You cannot be born again and continue to sin. There is not such thing as a person who continue committing adultery after becoming saved. It would make you miserable. If is like having an allergic reaction to sin when you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Read the verses again...I believe Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about a person that is very close to being saved. They are enlightened to the truth, everything make sense, the power of God is there, the Holy Ghost is working through them, all they got to do is accept the free gift and received eternal life right that moment. BUT they walk away and straight up denied the free gift from Jesus Christ which put Him to open shame. This person instantly became a reprobate, thus un-repentable, thus impossible to be saved.
He desired all to be saved right? If we can lose it, why not teach those who are saved to kill themself now [instant heaven] rather than living and risking fallen away, becoming a reprobate, fallen from grace, taking the beast mark...etc
Once someone received the Gospel, next put a bullet in their head is probably the best choice IF they can lose it.
Yes, well falling away doesn’t happen on one thing does it? It’s a gradual disbelief in the truth of God’s word, the going the wrong path, taking that broader way, of you will, instead of staying on the narrow way...@Lisa
What do you make of the Corinthian believer who is put out of the church for his sexual immorality with his mother in Law, given over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, (surely "fallen away"), and yet restored to repentance in 2 Corinthians 2
"4For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
5But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. 6Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. 7So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. 8Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.9For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things. 10To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; 11Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."
This restoration is the experience of many a "prodigal son" and argues against the loss of salvation interpretation of the passage from Hebrews 6:4-6.
I am reminded of the words of a Keith Green song I heard years ago.
Think about this verse....Would God saved somebody and knew full well down the road they would lose it?
I was using death as an extreme example to seal salvation since that is probably a lot easier than to maintaining salvation. There are many way one can die without killing themself.
When an unbeliever attend a spirit filled church and see amazing healing. Wouldn’t you consider them partaker of the Holy Spirit?
I believe it make way more sense that those who fallen away never placed 100% faith in Jesus. Not all Christians are saved. Not all Pastors are saved. But they are very close, like a few here that rely on faith + wonderful works.
- spare not and cut off here could just mean physical death like King SaulThink about this verse....
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:20-22
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. John 14:16-17About the Holy Spirit, the Helper...
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. John 14:16-17
What did it mean for Israel to be cut off? They lost their place temporarily and are now in unbelief. Which happens to be a good thing for us Gentiles..but still.- spare not and cut off here could just mean physical death like King Saul
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. John 14:16-17
How can one fallen away if the Holy Spirit be with them Forever?
There are many unsaved Christians that are partaker of the Holy Spirits. They seen miracles in churches, seen the hand of God working in the church but does this mean they are saved? Not necessarily, these unsaved Christians can be considered partaker of the Holy Spirits and still fallen away because they have not placed 100% in Jesus.
I still do.I'll answer your question after you answer mine which I have been asking forever but all of you seem to be beating around the bush and not giving me a clear answer.
Once you become "born again" do you still continue to sin or do you sin no more?
If I lie before I become "born again" would I stop lying after I become "born again" or would I still lie?
Me too...I still do.
Oh I know you do my sock account.Me too...
Well, I was asking Floss that question. For, me, I think that if it gets that bad that God has to take you out, you’ve got to be pretty bad, don’t you? Here they were making a mockery of God and thought they were going to get away with it. Do you think anyone sitting there that day thinks that God took them out but they are still believers and they will be with God? I find it highly doubtful myself.@Lisa
"Do you think Ananias and Sapphira were cut off as you term it?"
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/sin-unto-death.html
I don't see that IF condition anywhere here. Unless forever does not mean forever. Please don't add to scriptures.Ya, He will be with you forever, IF you reman in His kindness,
It was in the Romans verse I gave to you earlier. I was going by that as well.I don't see that IF condition anywhere here. Unless forever does not mean forever. Please don't add to scriptures.
The Holy Spirits indwell you now and [forever] right? If you can lose it, then that make God a liar because it was NOT forever.
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. John 14:16-17
Exactly. Thank you for your response.I still do.
Thank you for your response, Todd.Me too...
LOL! Are you equating yourself to Jesus after you were born again? I can guarantee you sinned plenty of times more after you became "born again". You might not have wanted too but you did.No worries.
*****
Answer: I sin no more.
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith.Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:20-22