Death, the State of the Dead, and Resurrection according to the Bible.

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Y it's in the scriptures i can show you like i have with other verses on other discussions but you have your view point on it i have mine obvious i won't change your view & you mine....free will and all. Like i said in the pm as long as we are on the foundation of JESUS like i discussed then where good. Because let me guess your view on it is the A-Millennial View & mine is pre. What i do find funny is that the A view is also the view of the catholic church strange that isn't it? Like they don't have an agenda to not want to see CHRISTs literal reign on earth.
I think you're avoiding showing me actual scripture from the Bible that says Jesus reigns on earth with people alive for 1000 years. If you believe this is the truth, where did you come by it? All you have to do is point me to where the Bible says it and I will admit that I'm wrong when you prove it. I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and I don't know everything that is in it. So maybe I missed this part in my end time prophecy studies.
 






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I think you're avoiding showing me actual scripture from the Bible that says Jesus reigns on earth with people alive for 1000 years. If you believe this is the truth, where did you come by it? All you have to do is point me to where the Bible says it and I will admit that I'm wrong when you prove it. I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and I don't know everything that is in it. So maybe I missed this part in my end time prophecy studies.
@phipps SIGH i have shown you scriptures & you claim dispensationalism even though it's not nor is it calvinist which i think you also said.

anyway here is one of the scriptures. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20 4
 






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@phipps SIGH i have shown you scriptures & you claim dispensationalism even though it's not nor is it calvinist which i think you also said.

anyway here is one of the scriptures. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20 4
None of the scriptures you showed me mention that Jesus reigned on earth for 1000 years and neither does Revelation 20:4 as you well know. In fact nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned directly that Christ reigns for 1000 years on earth, and if its not mentioned that means its not going to happen. So you're believe in something not written of in the Bible, its man made doctrine.
 






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None of the scriptures you showed me mention that Jesus reigned on earth for 1000 years and neither does Revelation 20:4 as you well know. In fact nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned directly that Christ reigns for 1000 years on earth and if its not mentioned that means its not going to happen. So you believe in something not written of in the Bible, its man made doctrine.
The Millennium (also known as the Millennial Kingdom) is the 1,000-year reign of Jesus after the Tribulation and before all the people of the world are sent to either heaven or hell. Jesus will reign as king over Israel as well as all the nations of the world (Isaiah 2:4; 42:1). The world will live in peace (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:18), Satan will be bound (Revelation 20:1–3), and, at the beginning, everyone will worship God (Isaiah 2:2–3). The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill promises God made to the world that cannot be fulfilled while Satan is free and humans have political authority. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. All of these will be fulfilled during Jesus’ 1,000-year reign.

The Palestinian Covenant, also called the Land Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10)
God has already fulfilled the personal aspects of the Abrahamic Covenant; Abraham did go to the Promised Land, he did have many descendants, and he is the forefather of many nations. Several hundred years after Abraham, Joshua led the Israelites to claim ownership of the Promised Land. But Israel has never possessed the specific boundaries that God promised in Genesis 15:18–20 and Numbers 34:1-12. Not even Solomon ruled over this particular area (1 Kings 4:21–24). Although he did reign from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates, he did not hold the area from Mount Hor to Hazarenan (Numbers 34:7–9)—into present-day Lebanon and Syria. In addition, the covenant God made with Abraham was that he and his descendants would have the land forever (Genesis 13:15; 17:8; Ezekiel 16:60). The current Israeli state may be a step in this direction, but they still do not possess the boundaries God laid out.

The Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7)
God’s covenant with David was that his line would never die out and that David’s heir would sit on the throne of Israel forever (2 Samuel 7:16). Biblical scholars agree that Jesus is the fulfillment of this covenant—one of the reasons His genealogy is given for both His adoptive father (Matthew 1:1–17) and His mother (Luke 3:23–38). The Jews understood this when they laid down palm branches and their cloaks as Jesus rode into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:1–17). They expected Him to be a military/political leader that would liberate them from the Romans and make Israel a great nation again. But they didn’t understand the nature of Jesus’ work at the time was for the New Covenant, not the Davidic Covenant. The 1,000-year reign will be the beginning of Jesus’ reign over Israel and the earth (Revelation 20:4, 6).

The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The work of the New Covenant—Jesus’ death and resurrection to reconcile hearts to God—has been accomplished. But we have not yet seen the complete fulfillment. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Ezekiel 36:28 gives more specifics: “You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.” Isaiah 59:20–21 explains that this covenant is possible because of the Redeemer, and the reconciliation He provides will last forever. This covenant does not mean that every Jew will be saved. But it does mean that Israel as a nation will worship their Messiah. The Old Testament prophets who spoke of this covenant, including Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Ezekiel, all wrote that it will be fulfilled in the future. From their time on, Israel has yet to be an independent nation that worshiped its Messiah (Romans 9—11). They will be in the 1,000-year reign of Christ.

Other Promises
Those are the covenants God made with Israel that are to be fulfilled in Jesus’ 1,000-year reign, but the Bible lists other promises that will be fulfilled, too. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 110). God promised the nations of the world that they would live in peace with Jesus as their ruler (Daniel 7:11–14). And He promised creation that the curse would be lifted (Romans 8:18–23), animals and the earth would be restored to peace and prosperity (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:13–15), and people would be freed from disease (Ezekiel 34:16). These, too, will be fulfilled during the 1,000-year reign.

The main purpose of Jesus’ 1,000-year reign is to fulfill the prophecies given to Israel and the promises made to Jesus, the nations, and the whole earth. God’s covenants were voluntary and one-sided. He promised He would bless Israel and restore the world in specific ways, and He will.

SIGH is that what you need a thesis?
 






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The Millennium (also known as the Millennial Kingdom) is the 1,000-year reign of Jesus after the Tribulation and before all the people of the world are sent to either heaven or hell. Jesus will reign as king over Israel as well as all the nations of the world (Isaiah 2:4; 42:1). The world will live in peace (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:18), Satan will be bound (Revelation 20:1–3), and, at the beginning, everyone will worship God (Isaiah 2:2–3). The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill promises God made to the world that cannot be fulfilled while Satan is free and humans have political authority. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. All of these will be fulfilled during Jesus’ 1,000-year reign.

The Palestinian Covenant, also called the Land Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10)
God has already fulfilled the personal aspects of the Abrahamic Covenant; Abraham did go to the Promised Land, he did have many descendants, and he is the forefather of many nations. Several hundred years after Abraham, Joshua led the Israelites to claim ownership of the Promised Land. But Israel has never possessed the specific boundaries that God promised in Genesis 15:18–20 and Numbers 34:1-12. Not even Solomon ruled over this particular area (1 Kings 4:21–24). Although he did reign from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates, he did not hold the area from Mount Hor to Hazarenan (Numbers 34:7–9)—into present-day Lebanon and Syria. In addition, the covenant God made with Abraham was that he and his descendants would have the land forever (Genesis 13:15; 17:8; Ezekiel 16:60). The current Israeli state may be a step in this direction, but they still do not possess the boundaries God laid out.

The Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7)
God’s covenant with David was that his line would never die out and that David’s heir would sit on the throne of Israel forever (2 Samuel 7:16). Biblical scholars agree that Jesus is the fulfillment of this covenant—one of the reasons His genealogy is given for both His adoptive father (Matthew 1:1–17) and His mother (Luke 3:23–38). The Jews understood this when they laid down palm branches and their cloaks as Jesus rode into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:1–17). They expected Him to be a military/political leader that would liberate them from the Romans and make Israel a great nation again. But they didn’t understand the nature of Jesus’ work at the time was for the New Covenant, not the Davidic Covenant. The 1,000-year reign will be the beginning of Jesus’ reign over Israel and the earth (Revelation 20:4, 6).

The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The work of the New Covenant—Jesus’ death and resurrection to reconcile hearts to God—has been accomplished. But we have not yet seen the complete fulfillment. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Ezekiel 36:28 gives more specifics: “You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.” Isaiah 59:20–21 explains that this covenant is possible because of the Redeemer, and the reconciliation He provides will last forever. This covenant does not mean that every Jew will be saved. But it does mean that Israel as a nation will worship their Messiah. The Old Testament prophets who spoke of this covenant, including Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Ezekiel, all wrote that it will be fulfilled in the future. From their time on, Israel has yet to be an independent nation that worshiped its Messiah (Romans 9—11). They will be in the 1,000-year reign of Christ.

Other Promises
Those are the covenants God made with Israel that are to be fulfilled in Jesus’ 1,000-year reign, but the Bible lists other promises that will be fulfilled, too. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 110). God promised the nations of the world that they would live in peace with Jesus as their ruler (Daniel 7:11–14). And He promised creation that the curse would be lifted (Romans 8:18–23), animals and the earth would be restored to peace and prosperity (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:13–15), and people would be freed from disease (Ezekiel 34:16). These, too, will be fulfilled during the 1,000-year reign.

The main purpose of Jesus’ 1,000-year reign is to fulfill the prophecies given to Israel and the promises made to Jesus, the nations, and the whole earth. God’s covenants were voluntary and one-sided. He promised He would bless Israel and restore the world in specific ways, and He will.

SIGH is that what you need a thesis?
I need God's Word to agree with a doctrine and it doesn't with yours I'm afraid. Not with a millennial earthly kingdom and not about Israel. The Bible in your doctrine contradicts itself all over the place. The Bible is harmonious and is not nor will ever be contradictory.

The Holy City, New Jerusalem comes down from heaven, "I ... saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. ... And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men’ ” (Revelation 21:2, 3). Why would the city come down from heaven if Jesus is reigning on earth? When did He go back to heaven?

We are all Israel as long as we accept Christ according to the Bible:

“Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest on the law, and makest thy boast of God ... For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision [Gentiles] keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? ... For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God”
(Romans 2:17, 25, 26, 28, 29). Did you catch that? The implications are staggering! Someone who is “called a Jew” because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, “is not a Jew”—at least, not in God’s eyes. His “circumcision is made uncircumcision.” It is revoked. Thus to God, he is a Gentile. And a believing Gentile, who through faith keeps “the righteousness of the law,” his uncircumcision is counted for circumcision. Thus to God, he is a Jew.

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

Jews have to come to Christ like we all do. They are NOT going to be saved because of their genes/DNA. No one is. They will be saved based on their choices spiritually. And as I posted in my thread, "Dispensationalism is not Biblical, it is a man-made doctrine", no one, not even the Jews are going to be saved without believing, having faith in Christ. The apostle Peter made it clear when he said, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). That is all men, not just Gentiles.

If any Christian speaks against these truths, they are a liar, intended or not.
 






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I need God's Word to agree with a doctrine and it doesn't with yours I'm afraid. Not with a millennial earthly kingdom and not about Israel. The Bible in your doctrine contradicts itself all over the place. The Bible is harmonious and is not nor will ever be contradictory.

The Holy City, New Jerusalem comes down from heaven, "I ... saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. ... And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men’ ” (Revelation 21:2, 3). Why would the city come down from heaven if Jesus is reigning on earth? When did He go back to heaven?

We are all Israel as long as we accept Christ according to the Bible:

“Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest on the law, and makest thy boast of God ... For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision [Gentiles] keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? ... For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God”
(Romans 2:17, 25, 26, 28, 29). Did you catch that? The implications are staggering! Someone who is “called a Jew” because he is a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet who lives as a lawbreaker, “is not a Jew”—at least, not in God’s eyes. His “circumcision is made uncircumcision.” It is revoked. Thus to God, he is a Gentile. And a believing Gentile, who through faith keeps “the righteousness of the law,” his uncircumcision is counted for circumcision. Thus to God, he is a Jew.

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

Jews have to come to Christ like we all do. They are NOT going to be saved because of their genes/DNA. No one is. They will be saved based on their choices spiritually. And as I posted in my thread, "Dispensationalism is not Biblical, it is a man-made doctrine", no one, not even the Jews are going to be saved without believing, having faith in Christ. The apostle Peter made it clear when he said, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). That is all men, not just Gentiles.

If any Christian speak against these truths, they are a liar, intended or not.
BTW i don't believe in dispensationalism your now putting me into a box. Dusting off my shoes with you. Your view point is wrong. you go to the if christian speak...serious ok...well your wrong on your view also intended or not. GOD BLESS!

 






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@Maldarker,

Plus the Bible says, "I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit. ... He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit ... till the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:1-3).

The word for “bottomless pit” in the original Greek is “abussos,” or abyss. It is the same word that is used to describe the state of the earth before creation in Genesis 1:2 in the Greek version of the Old Testament . But it is translated “deep" in the English Bibles. “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.” The words “deep,” “bottomless pit,” and “abyss” here refer to the earth in its totally dark, disorganised form before God made order of it during creation.

Jeremiah saw in vision the earth just after the second coming of Jesus. He saw dead bodies covering the earth, none were being buried and no one was crying. The reason for that is there is no one left to bury the dead because the righteous are in heaven (they were caught up in the air with Christ (Jesus stays in the air) and went to heaven 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:5-53) and the wicked all died. So Jeremiah was describing the state of the earth during the 1,000 years and he used the same terms as those in Genesis 1:2: “without form, and void,” “no light,” “no man,” and “black” (Jeremiah 4:23, 25, 28).

So the battered, dark earth with no people alive will be called the bottomless pit, or abyss, during the 1,000 years, just as it was in the beginning before Creation was completed. Also, Isaiah 24:22 speaks of Satan and his angels during the 1,000 years as “gathered in the pit” and “shut up in the prison.”

Why will the the earth be in such a shape? Because when Jesus returns the second time, the earth will be in a state of complete and total destruction (bottomless pit).

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There will be huge hailstones and a devastating earthquake like the earth will never have seen, "the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell", "every island fled away, and the mountains were not found" (Revelation 16:18-21),

- graves will be opened all around the world when the righteous are raised from the dead,

- “I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the Lord” (Jeremiah 4:26),

- “The Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste. … The land shall be entirely emptied” (Isaiah 24:1, 3).


The scenes you posted about from Revelation 20:4 will be in heaven where the saints will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years. They will not be in this devastated earth where Satan will be bound for the same 1000 years.

The Bible then tells us that the wicked that were dead are raised to life, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection" (Revelation 20:5). We know all the saved are alive in heaven living and reigning with Christ in the Holy City, so the rest of the dead are the unrighteous. Verse 6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." The first resurrection is the righteous who are now with Christ, the unrighteous are in the second resurrection after 1000 years.

Satan is then loosed from his prison (Revelation 20:7), he goes out to deceive to the nations, the wicked who are now alive (Revelation 20:8) and they try to capture the Holy City when fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them (verse 9).


Now what confuses many Christians and used to confuse me is that some information is missing in Revelation 20 about where the Holy city comes from. The Bible is written in such a way that it gives us information in one chapter and enlarges on it in the next. Sometimes it does so in the same chapter. Revelation 20:9 tells us that fire comes down from heaven and devours Satan and the wicked after they attack the Holy city. In Revelation 20:11-12 we are told about the great white throne judgement. This cannot take place after the fire comes and devours the wicked. It happens before but is written of after we are told Satan and the wicked are devoured by fire.

Revelation 21:2-3 tells us where the Holy City comes down from (heaven) after we are told of the events that happen after the Holy City is attacked. That is why its important to study what other parts of the Bible have to say on this subject so we can know how the events are going to happen chronologically. We have always got to keep in mind that the Bible never talks about a subject in one place. We have got to compare scripture with scripture. This subject is written in both the Old and New Testaments.

Christ reigning on this earth for 1000 years is not even hinted at in the Bible that is why you can't find any scripture on it.
 






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I am sure you didn't watch the video either. For one the bible isn't for you a gentile its for the descendants of Israel the only disciple that went to preach to them was Paul the others where preaching the "GOOD NEWS" to who? The descendants of Israel at the time. They where hoping for a revival a NATIONAL REPENTANCE but alas they didn't repent and ROME devoured them, the church age begins and now is at its close repent for redemption draws near. Thats for all of us we need repentance & prayer its close....
 






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I disagree, but you didn't have to tell me that. You can just ignore my posts and go read those scriptures that make better sense. God bless.
Wait! Aren't you supposed to save me from my delusion? You're obviously comfortable with yours...
 






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How do we explain the Bible statements that refer to the "everlasting destruction" of the wicked?

A number of times in the New Testament the destruction of the wicked is said to be "everlasting" or "eternal." For that reason some interpreters of the Bible have assumed that the wicked will burn in hellfire for eternity.

Speaking of the destruction of the wicked, Jesus said: "The chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12).

"Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41).

"And these [the lost] go away into eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46).

Paul wrote of the kind of destruction that will be meted out upon unbelievers: "These will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes to be glorified by his saints" (2 Thessalonians 1:9- 10).

Do these statements of Jesus and Paul imply that the wicked will burn eternally?
According to the Bible the fire will go out. We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 1:7), and that fire turned them “into ashes” as a warning to “those who afterward would live ungodly” (2 Peter 2:6). These cities are not burning today. The fire went out after everything was burned up. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself.

This earth will be the final home for the righteous. Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek: For they shall inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5). Peter, after describing this earth exploding and burning with a great noise, saw a new earth filled with righteousness. "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness" (2 Peter 3:13).

Why does the Bible say that the wicked will be destroyed with unquenchable fire?
Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out, but which goes out when it has turned everything to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city “to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah” and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today.

Doesn’t the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke16:19-31 teach an eternal hell of torment?
No! It is a parable that Jesus used to emphasize a certain spiritual lesson. The point of the story is found in verse 31. Parables should not be taken literally—otherwise, we would believe that trees talk! (see Judges 9:8-15.) Here are some facts making it clear that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable:

A. Abraham’s bosom is not heaven (Hebrews 11:8-10, 16).

B. People in hell can’t talk to those in heaven (Isaiah 65:17).

C. The dead are in their graves (Job 17:13; John 5:28, 29). The rich man was in bodily form with eyes, a tongue, etc., yet we know that the body does not go to hell at death but remains in the grave, as the Bible says.

D. People are rewarded at Christ’s second coming, not at death (Revelation 22:12).

E. The lost are cast into hell at the end of the world, not when they die (Matthew 13:40-42).

But the Bible speaks of the wicked being tormented "forever," doesn't it?

The term forever is used 56 times in the King James Bible in connection with things that have already ended.* It is like the word “tall,” which means something different in describing men, trees, or mountains. In Jonah 2:6, “forever” means “three days and nights.” In Deuteronomy 23:3, it means 10 generations. In the case of mankind, it means “as long as he lives” or “until death.” (1 Samuel 1:22, 28; Exodus 21:6; Psalm 48:14). So the wicked will burn in the fire as long as they live, or until death. This fiery punishment for sin will vary according to the degree of sins for each individual, but after the punishment, the fire will go out.

What is the end result of sin?
“The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”
(Romans 6:23).

“Sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death” (James 1:15).

“God … gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

The wages for (or the result of) sin is death, not everlasting life in hellfire. The wicked will “perish,” or receive “death.” The righteous receive “everlasting life.” Eternal life was promised only to the righteous not the wicked.

The unbiblical teaching of eternal torment has done more to drive people to atheism than any other invention of the devil. It is slander upon the loving character of a gracious heavenly Father and has done untold harm to the Christian cause.
 






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How do we explain the Bible statements that refer to the "everlasting destruction" of the wicked?

A number of times in the New Testament the destruction of the wicked is said to be "everlasting" or "eternal." For that reason some interpreters of the Bible have assumed that the wicked will burn in hellfire for eternity.

Speaking of the destruction of the wicked, Jesus said: "The chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12).

"Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41).

"And these [the lost] go away into eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46).

Paul wrote of the kind of destruction that will be meted out upon unbelievers: "These will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes to be glorified by his saints" (2 Thessalonians 1:9- 10).

Do these statements of Jesus and Paul imply that the wicked will burn eternally?
According to the Bible the fire will go out. We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 1:7), and that fire turned them “into ashes” as a warning to “those who afterward would live ungodly” (2 Peter 2:6). These cities are not burning today. The fire went out after everything was burned up. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself.

This earth will be the final home for the righteous. Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek: For they shall inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5). Peter, after describing this earth exploding and burning with a great noise, saw a new earth filled with righteousness. "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness" (2 Peter 3:13).

Why does the Bible say that the wicked will be destroyed with unquenchable fire?
Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out, but which goes out when it has turned everything to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city “to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah” and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today.

Doesn’t the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke16:19-31 teach an eternal hell of torment?
No! It is a parable that Jesus used to emphasize a certain spiritual lesson. The point of the story is found in verse 31. Parables should not be taken literally—otherwise, we would believe that trees talk! (see Judges 9:8-15.) Here are some facts making it clear that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable:

A. Abraham’s bosom is not heaven (Hebrews 11:8-10, 16).

B. People in hell can’t talk to those in heaven (Isaiah 65:17).

C. The dead are in their graves (Job 17:13; John 5:28, 29). The rich man was in bodily form with eyes, a tongue, etc., yet we know that the body does not go to hell at death but remains in the grave, as the Bible says.

D. People are rewarded at Christ’s second coming, not at death (Revelation 22:12).

E. The lost are cast into hell at the end of the world, not when they die (Matthew 13:40-42).

But the Bible speaks of the wicked being tormented "forever," doesn't it?

The term forever is used 56 times in the King James Bible in connection with things that have already ended.* It is like the word “tall,” which means something different in describing men, trees, or mountains. In Jonah 2:6, “forever” means “three days and nights.” In Deuteronomy 23:3, it means 10 generations. In the case of mankind, it means “as long as he lives” or “until death.” (1 Samuel 1:22, 28; Exodus 21:6; Psalm 48:14). So the wicked will burn in the fire as long as they live, or until death. This fiery punishment for sin will vary according to the degree of sins for each individual, but after the punishment, the fire will go out.

What is the end result of sin?
“The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”
(Romans 6:23).

“Sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death” (James 1:15).

“God … gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

The wages for (or the result of) sin is death, not everlasting life in hellfire. The wicked will “perish,” or receive “death.” The righteous receive “everlasting life.” Eternal life was promised only to the righteous not the wicked.

The unbiblical teaching of eternal torment has done more to drive people to atheism than any other invention of the devil. It is slander upon the loving character of a gracious heavenly Father and has done untold harm to the Christian cause.
Your god is sick & twisted.
"Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine
 






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Your god is sick & twisted.
"Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man." -- Thomas Paine
Psalm 14:1, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

Proverbs 1:7, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

1 Corinthians 1:18, "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."


I pray that God convicts you of His truth and makes you receptive to it through the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
 






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Psalm 14:1, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

Proverbs 1:7, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

1 Corinthians 1:18, "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."


I pray that God convicts you of His truth and makes you receptive to it through the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
I said YOUR god is sick and twisted. Mine's fine.
 






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If scoffers had any substance at all they would just go about doing their own thing, minding their own business.

Instead of striking out on their own, saying “hey this is what I believe in this is what I‘m about,” they get their rocks off by detracting and attacking other people’s deal. They don’t have an identity without something to hate.
It’s less than useless.
 






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If scoffers had any substance at all they would just go about doing their own thing, minding their own business.

Instead of striking out on their own, saying “hey this is what I believe in this is what I‘m about,” they get their rocks off by detracting and attacking other people’s deal. They don’t have an identity without something to hate.
It’s less than useless.
They're just free birds coaxing you out of your gilded cage; trying to get you to try the red pill.

"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out into the rain, wind and snow, it will soon dissolve. Our religion IS the rain, wind and snow." -- Native American medicine woman.
 






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They're just free birds coaxing you out of your gilded cage; trying to get you to try the red pill.

"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out into the rain, wind and snow, it will soon dissolve. Our religion IS the rain, wind and snow." -- Native American medicine woman.
If that’s you pulling that fake surprised face you don’t look free. You look addicted to processed foods and in need of sunshine. Take care of yourself before “red pilling” the rest of us.
 






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If that’s you pulling that fake surprised face you don’t look free. You look addicted to processed foods and in need of sunshine. Take care of yourself before “red pilling” the rest of us.
Actually, i lost over 140 lbs since that picture. Must be all that processed food I quit eating. What have you done lately? You'd probably be dead walking in my shoes...
 






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Life after death.

The Bible tells us that there is life after death for those who die in Christ: "But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-14).
 






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Life after death.

The Bible tells us that there is life after death for those who die in Christ: "But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-14).
"Let us pray in this hour that nothing can divide us, and that God will help us against the Devil! Almighty Lord, bless our fight!" -- Adolph Hitler to the SA in 1930.
 






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