Death, the State of the Dead, and Resurrection according to the Bible.

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Umm think you are wrong about the 1,000 year period - JESUS reigns on earth with people alive for 1000 years then the dragon is loosed one last time or am i just imagining it?
This is going to be a long response to show you the events (not all of them) as written of in the Bible.

Jesus never reigns on earth during the 1000 year period nor is it not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Christians here have told me the same thing but have never been able to show me actual scripture that says Jesus reigned on earth for the 1000 year period.

These are the events as written of in the Bible:

- Jesus returns for all the saved, those asleep in their graves and those that are alive. This is the first resurrection and this resurrection is only for the saved. The saved are given new immortal bodies.

- The saved are then gathered by the angels and they meet the Lord in the air. Jesus' feet never touch the earth when He returns the second time (Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:17).

- Jesus takes the righteous to heaven (John 13:33, 36; 14:2-3).

The Bible tells us how long the saved are in heaven for and what they do there.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years"
(Revelation 20:4). As you can see the saved have thrones, and the scripture tells us they reign with Christ. In what sense can the saved reign in heaven with Christ? They will govern with Christ and that will include judgement of the unsaved and Satan and his angels. And its for 1000 years. All this takes place in heaven not on earth. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is on earth during the millennium.

Satan is bound for 1000 years.

Meanwhile on earth, Satan is bound for the same period of 1000 years. “I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit. ... He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit ... till the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:1-3). I explained above that the word used for “bottomless pit” in the original Greek is “abussos,” or abyss. It is the same word used in Genesis 1:2 which says, "The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." The same word is in Jeremiah 4:23, 25, 28. Bottomless pit when in context with the state of the earth means the earth is "without form, and void,” “no light,” “no man,” and “black”.

And that is indeed the state of the earth after Jesus returns the second time. Why? “There was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. … Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found” (Revelation 16:18, 20). When Jesus comes back the second time the earth is turned upside down and is in a complete mess. Its completely desolate. The unsaved dead are all dead. Those that were dead stay dead, those that are alive are killed by the brightness of Jesus.

So Satan is on his own. Its important to note that Satan being an angel means he is a spirit and cannot be confined with a literal chain. Satan is “tied down” because he has no people to deceive. The unsaved are all dead and the saved are all in heaven. The Lord confines the devil to this earth so he cannot roam the universe hoping to find someone to deceive. Forcing the devil to stay on the earth, alone with his demons for a thousand years with no one to deceive, will be for him the most galling chain ever forged.

The events that happen after the 1000 year period with Christ and the saved.

“I ... saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. ... And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men’ ”
(Revelation 21:2, 3). Christ, the saved, and the New city descend on earth for two purposes. To judge the unsaved and to bring an end to sin by destroying the wicked and sin which will purify this earth.

What will happen to the wicked dead at this time?

The Bible says, “But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" (Revelation 20:5). All the saved are alive and with Christ in heaven during the millennium, so the rest of the dead who did not live until the thousand years were finished are the unsaved dead, the wicked.

Satan is loosed after the 1000 years too.

"Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea"
(Revelation 20:7-8). Satan, loosed from his bonds, will then have an earth full of people to deceive again.

What will Satan and the wicked do then?

"They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them”
(Revelation 20:9). That is how we know the New city, New Jerusalem comes down at the end of the 1000 year period. Satan, true to his nature, lies and convinces the wicked to surround and attack the New Jerusalem.

Satan’s plans to capture and destroy the city New Jerusalem are interrupted.

“Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into ... the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death”
(Revelation 20:9, 10; 21:8). Fire will come down from heaven (not up from hell, as many believe) upon the wicked and all will be turned into ashes, including the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). This fire that destroys sin and sinners is called the second death. There is no resurrection from this death. It is final.

God will cleanse the earth from sin. Satan and his angels, all the unsaved, death and hell will all be burned up in the lake of fire. Sin and suffering will never rise up again, God promised.

What happens after the fire has completed its work?

"Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
(Revelation 21:1-5).

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing, And her people a joy. I will rejoice in Jerusalem, And joy in My people; The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, Nor the voice of crying" (Isaiah 65:17-19).

The earth is now restored to the way it was intended to be before sin. God’s original purpose in the creation of the earth is fulfilled as it is made the eternal home of the redeemed. The Bible makes it clear that the saved will inherit this earth (Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9, 29; 115:16). The New Jerusalem is the capital city of the New earth. God will also dwell with His people always and His tabernacle will be here on earth too as the above verses of Revelation 21 say.

Revelation 22:3-5 says the same thing too. "And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever."

All these events take place after the 1000 years and sin and sinners have been destroyed forever.

The only time the Bible says God reigns on earth with the saved is when there is a new earth and a new heaven. Not during the 1000 year period. Can you please show me actual scripture that says Jesus reigns on this earth during the 1000 year period specifically? Thanks.
 






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Ok thank you. Like i said not sure if imagined it or not...will do some looking back in all my notes.
 






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Revelation is heavily laced with metaphor and analogy, people have been trying to analyse it for centuries and drawn a blank, but fortunately we've always got plain-speaking simple verses elsewhere to fall back on.
For example, death is a temporary "sleep"-
"Don't grieve for those asleep, for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14)

Then on judgment day we ALL get a wake-up call-
Jesus said:- "All in the graves shall come out.."(John 5:28/29)

And sentence is pronounced-
Jesus said "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)

In modern sci-fi film terms, death is therefore like "cryo-sleep" where spaceship crews are frozen for months or years, then wake up as if only seconds or minutes have passed.
Interestingly, Jesus said to the repentant thief dying on the cross next to him- "Today you'll be with me in paradise" which here again confirms heaven follows in the blink of an eye shortly after death.

"In the twinkling of an eye the dead shall be raised imperishable and we shall be changed" (1 Cor 15:52)
 






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More on the "sleep theme"; Jesus raises the dead child-
Jesus said:-“Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” (Mark 5:39)

 






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Here is my questions if JESUS doesn't reign for that thousand year period after his second coming then some of the OT prophetic messages referring to the second time HE returns to sit on the throne of David won't be full filled nor will some of the covenants or feasts. CHRIST is the full embodiment of this & it needs to still happen. IDK can't find notes atm still lookin. :)
 






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Here is my questions if JESUS doesn't reign for that thousand year period after his second coming then some of the OT prophetic messages referring to the second time HE returns to sit on the throne of David won't be full filled nor will some of the covenants or feasts. CHRIST is the full embodiment of this & it needs to still happen. IDK can't find notes atm still lookin. :)
The Bible never contradicts itself in both the Old and New Testaments. Its harmonises perfectly. If the the New Testament does not even hint at Jesus reigning on earth for the 1000 year period, it won't have mentioned it in the Old Testament either.

The prophetic messages of David's throne will be fulfilled through Jesus but not in this sinful earth. The earth will still be sinful during the 1000 year period and Satan will be bound here.

Isaiah 9:6-7 is a prophecy about Jesus' birth. "For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this." So the Child that was born, the Son that was given, is the Lord Jesus. The time is coming when He will be the “Prince of Peace.” He will sit “upon the throne of David” and rule with “judgment” and “justice.” Then we have the assurance that “the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” This identifies Jesus as King.

The angel who spoke to Mary about the birth of Jesus, said: “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end” (Luke 1:32-33). In the New covenant all Christians are part if Israel. They are Jews too according to the Bible:

“That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed” (Romans 9:8).

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God” (Romans 2:28-29)

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham” (Galatians 3:7).

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29).

So when Luke 1:32-33 says, "and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David" and "He will reign over the house of Jacob forever", it means He will rule over all His people, His Church, Israel. I could explain more but that will be too long winded.

Romans 1:3 says, "concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh." Jesus was born of the line of David according to Matthew 1 that tells the genealogy of Jesus.

In fact the Bible calls Jesus the Son of David or the seed of David, (Matthew 9:27, 12:23, Luke 18:35-39, 2 Timothy 2:7-8, Revelation 3:7, 5:5-6).

Revelation 22:16 says, “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

When Jesus was on this earth He clearly taught that His Kingdom was not of this world. "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here” (John 18:36). If Jesus were to rule in this sinful earth for 1000 years before sin and sinners were eradicated forever, He would have been lying. As scripture clearly shows sin, sinners and the consequences of sin will be completely destroyed after the 1000 years then a new earth and new heaven will be re-created and then Jesus will reign on earth with His people.
 






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Umm think you are wrong about the 1,000 year period - JESUS reigns on earth with people alive for 1000 years then the dragon is loosed one last time or am i just imagining it?
There are a number of competing hypotheses about the 1000 year period that Lucifer/Satan/the devil/(red) dragon was bound and the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth, which many wrongly believe are concurrent. They aren't.

The 1000 year period that Satan was bound (restricted in power), so that he was unable to deceive the NATIONS in addition to being able to deceive each of us individually, has ended.

Revelation 20:1-3
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the Bottomless Pit and a great chain in his hand.
20:2 And he laid hold on the (red) dragon, that old serpent (Lucifer), which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20:3 And cast him into the Bottomless Pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan has very obviously been "loosed", and has recently (within the past couple of hundred years or so) conned us into creating and accepting corporate fictional governments, which make it much easier for Satan to control, manipulate, deceive and have us murder one another on an unprecedented scale.

Evidence of this is irrefutable: it has resulted in financial and legal systems that are intentionally designed to steal as much as possible from people, and cause endless wars and poverty through debt slavery, which in turn have brought about two world wars that killed hundreds of millions. Add to this the government propaganda mouthpiece mainstream media, an educational system tailored by the largest corporate fictions (big business) and the international banking cartel, and a medical industrial complex that murders millions every year under the guise of "healing" and the picture should hopefully become crystal clear.

There's no way we would be experiencing the unprecedented evil that we are today, if Satan didn't have full control over both individuals and the nations. The current medical tyranny that's been established to collapse the economies of every nation and bring about WW3 is but the latest in-our-face evidence of how satanically-controlled the beast system really is.

All of this culminates in WW3 and Armageddon, followed by Judgment Day and The Fire, when all of us will be judged according to our works, i.e. whether we worked with God against all of this evil (the sheep) or whether we went along with it (the goats).

It is after Judgment Day and The Fire that Christ will physically reign for 1000 years here on Earth (the Sabbath millenia, aka "Summer", after 6000 years of misrule under Satan) over "the Elect", in a world free from satanic influence. It will be free from satanic infliuence because Lucifer/Satan/the devil/red dragon has already been judged and will be the first to go into The Fire on Judgment Day, followed immediately thereafter by the priests, politicians and attorneys, etc., who have been misleading us through their corporate institutions.

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Immortality of the soul.

There are some Christians who believe in the immortality of the soul. And they use the story of how Samuel appeared to king Saul after he died (1 Samuel 28:7-19) as a reason for believing in the immortality of the soul. But nowhere in the Bible including in this story is immortality of the soul taught.

The Scripture account of Saul’s visit to the witch of Endor confuses many Christians. There are some who believe that Samuel was actually present at the seance with Saul, but the Bible itself gives us enough proof for a contrary conclusion. Lets see what the Bible says.

1- The witch of Endor is described in the KJV as one having "a familiar spirit" (1 Samuel 28:7). This is a person who claims to foretell the future through alleged communication with the dead; a conjurer, wizard, sorcerer etc. God had specifically commanded that such evil spirit mediums should be put to death in Israel. Any one consulting spirit mediums was to be cut off from Israel (Leviticus 19:31; 20:6, 27; Deuteronomy 18:10-11). Saul had previously obeyed the divine commands in this respect by expelling spirit mediums: "And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land" (1 Samuel 28:3).

Are we now to believe that God would speak to Saul through a witch, the very kind of person that He had commanded should not be permitted to live? Such an idea is unthinkable!

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Saul went to the witch of Endor because "the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets" (1 Samuel 28:6). Because he had disobeyed and rebelled against God, God withdrew from Saul and left him to the control of evil demons. While in conversation with the spirit that the witch called up for him, Saul admitted: "God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do" (1 Samuel 28:15).

Had Saul repented of his sin, God would have heard his prayers and delivered him from his enemies. A later Bible writer explained why God allowed Saul's life to be taken: "So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse" (1 Chronicles 10:13-14).

Since God had departed from Saul and would not answer his prayers, and since God later condemned Saul for going to the witch of Endor, it is inconceivable that God would use the witch to give Saul an inspired message. Since Samuel was a prophet of God during his lifetime, we can assume that the being which appeared to the witch of Endor was not Samuel, but an evil spirit impersonating Samuel.
God was not speaking to Saul, and He never speaks at the request of mediums controlled by evil spirits.

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In response to the witch's incantations, "Samuel" came up from the earth, not down (1 Samuel 28:11, 13, 14-15). If the appearance had been truly Samuel's immortal soul, it would have come down from heaven, not up from the depths of the earth. The evil spirit impersonating Samuel was called Samuel by the Bible writer only because the story is told as the events were perceived by those present.

4- Saul did not see the spirit being. He only had the word of the witch (verses 13-14) "perceived" (verse 14) it was Samuel, even though he did not see the manifestation. Are we to believe the word of a condemned practising witch that Samuel was actually present?

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"Samuel" appeared as an old man bowed with his face to the ground. Do immortal souls retain the bodily appearance they had in old age on earth?

6- "Samuel" told Saul: ". . . and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me" (verse 19). The next day Saul committed suicide (1 Samuel 31:4). If he went to be with Samuel's immortal soul, surely he would have gone to heaven. Do wicked men who are rejected by God and who commit suicide go to heaven when they die?

Saul turned away from God and consulted a medium of evil demons. Because Saul's life was in the devil's hands, the devil could predict what would happen the next day. When the evil one is in charge of a life he can destroy it at will. An evil demon impersonating Samuel predicted Saul's eternal doom.

The Bible tells us that the dead do not have consciousness of any kind, they know nothing and feel nothing. People who die do not go to heaven or hell where they live on in a state of consciousness. They go to the grave where their bodies disintegrate because the life principle has been removed. They are sleeping, without any awareness of what is happening on earth or in heaven. The Bible clearly tells that the righteous dead are not in heaven, and the wicked dead are not in a place of burning. They are in the dust of the earth waiting for the resurrection day. That day for the righteous will be the second coming of Christ. For the wicked it will be at the end of the millennium, at which time they will be raised for judgment and put to sleep for eternity.
 






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Other Scripture that is used to argue immortality of the soul is 1 Peter 3:18-20 where Peter wrote that Christ preached to the "spirits in prison."

Those who believe in the immortality of the soul interpret this passage to mean that when Christ died He went down to hell and preached to the wicked souls who had been destroyed in the flood. Why would Christ do that? To give them another chance? Then they must have been in a place like purgatory and not irrevocably lost at all!

Unfortunately for this view, the Bible never teaches that those who die lost are given another chance. Compare what else Peter has to say about the people who were lost in the flood, "For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment" (2 Peter 2:4-9).

Why would Christ preach only to those who were lost in Noah's day? Why didn't He preach to the rest of the lost? The truth is that the passage is not talking about Christ descending to a place of immortal lost spirits when He died. There is no such place described in Scripture. Death is a sleep, and when Jesus died He slept in the grave until the moment of His resurrection. When the wicked were destroyed in the flood, they were put to sleep, reserved "unto the day of judgment to be punished" (2 Peter 2:9).

The Holy Spirit used Noah as a preacher of righteousness for 120 years. The "spirits" to whom Noah and Jesus preached were living human beings, in prison spiritually because they had forsaken the only true God (Isaiah 42:7; 61:1; Luke 4:18-21). The Scriptures a number of times speak of living humans on this earth as "spirits" (Hebrews 12:23; Numbers 16:22; 27:16). Never in the Bible is a "spirit" (pneuma) the disembodied, immortal spirit of a human being in heaven or hell. The word pneuma means "wind,""breath,""spirit." It was used often in the sense of "person," or in reference to an aspect of personality inseparable from the person. (1 Corinthians 16:18; Galatians 6:18; 2 Timothy 4:22; Philippians 4:23). Just as the Holy Spirit plead with people before the flood, so He pleads with us today to be reconciled to Christ (1 Peter 3:18).
 






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I have a thread that I started on death in 2018 but unfortunately that thread veered off the subject I intended for it. I intend to post more on what the Bible says on these very important subjects.

Most people have wondered at some point in their life about death, the afterlife, and where they will end up. As humans we know that one day we will die. No one on this earth lives forever.

It’s not something we really like to think about. It may even feel like an uncomfortable subject. But the question remains.

The good news is, we do have a reliable source that tells us how to navigate this tough subject. The Bible.
The better news is we've got scriptures from every religion on earth that does the same thing, and many make more sense. Yeah, I know, that's just crazy talk...
 






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No One Deserves To Die, seeing sin as the root of death isnt making any sense. The story line in the bible isnt complete. This is why i see the bible as an archive filed with lies, yet! The only means for finding the truth.
 






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The better news is we've got scriptures from every religion on earth that does the same thing, and many make more sense. Yeah, I know, that's just crazy talk...
I disagree, but you didn't have to tell me that. You can just ignore my posts and go read those scriptures that make better sense. God bless.
 






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Umm think you are wrong about the 1,000 year period - JESUS reigns on earth with people alive for 1000 years then the dragon is loosed one last time or am i just imagining it?
Do you remember I asked you where the Bible says that? It is not enough to tell me I'm wrong, you've got to prove it from the Word of God.
 






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No One Deserves To Die, seeing sin as the root of death isnt making any sense. The story line in the bible isnt complete. This is why i see the bible as an archive filed with lies, yet! The only means for finding the truth.
You're wrong about the Bible. No one deserves to die and God did not create anyone to die. We were meant to live forever but sadly sin came into this world via Satan and completely devastated it. We've all been tainted by sin and all its consequences. Sin cannot continue forever. It must come to an end. God has shown us through His Word, prophets, patriarchs, apostles and through His Son how to live a life in Him. We have a choice whether to obey Him or not. However He has made it clear if we don't follow Him and His precepts we will die eternally, and if we do His will we live forever with Him. The choice is up to us. We all have free will. That makes sense.
 






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You're wrong about the Bible. No one deserves to die and God did not create anyone to die. We were meant to live forever but sadly sin came into this world via Satan and completely devastated it. We've all been tainted by sin and all its consequences. Sin cannot continue forever. It must come to an end. God has shown us through His Word, prophets, patriarchs, apostles and through His Son how to live a life in Him. We have a choice whether to obey Him or not. However He has made it clear if we don't follow Him and His precepts we will die eternally, and if we do His will we live forever with Him. The choice is up to us. We all have free will. That makes sense.
You dont know that, you only say what you were taught via the bible. Telling me i need saving is dellusional. Also, Free will is never free. You is just a puppet like me with different purpose trying to please your creator in your own way.
 






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You dont know that, you only say what you were taught via the bible. Telling me i need saving is dellusional. Also, Free will is never free. You is just a puppet like me with different purpose trying to please your creator in your own way.
You dont know that, you only say what you were taught via the bible.
Wow , you're so angry. And please don't tell me what I know or don't know because you don't know me, okay? Thank you!

There is more to the Bible than just reading or studying it. There is a spiritual side to it. You won't understand that until you let God into your heart.

Telling me i need saving is dellusional.
We all need saving and its you that is delusional but you don't know it sadly .

Also, Free will is never free.
Says you and you're wrong. God created us all with free will which is always free will. We have a choice to accept or reject Him.

You is just a puppet like me with different purpose trying to please your creator in your own way.
I'm no puppet so therefore I'm not like you. I want to please God (I fail a lot) because I choose to. Its my choice. You like telling people what they are and what they know as if you know them don't you? Stop that!

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Wow , you're so angry. And please don't tell me what I know or don't know because you don't know me, okay? Thank you!

There is more to the Bible than just reading or studying it. There is a spiritual side to it. You won't understand that until you let God into your heart.


We all need saving and its you that is delusional but you don't know it sadly .


Says you and you're wrong. God created us all with free will which is always free will. We have a choice to accept or reject Him.


I'm no puppet so therefore I'm not like you. I want to please God (I fail a lot) because I choose to. Its my choice. You like telling people what they are and what they know as if you know them don't you? Stop that!

Goodbye.
Like I Said, You Dont Know That.
 






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Did Jesus tell the dying thief that he would be in paradise that day?

Luke 23:43 says, "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

The immortal-soul advocates argue that Jesus preached to the spirits in hell after His death. But, on the basis of Luke 23:43, they assert that Jesus went to paradise when He died? Exactly where was Jesus after death?

Paradise is heaven biblically (2 Corinthians 12:2, 4; Revelation 2:7; 22:1-2). Jesus did not go to paradise that Friday afternoon of the crucifixion. On the next Sunday morning, after He had risen from the dead, He said to Mary Magdalene: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father" (John 20:17).

The punctuation of Luke 23:43 in English and in modern Greek Bibles does not represent the punctuation of the original author. There was no such punctuation in the ancient Greek manuscripts. The correct punctuation of the text is as follows: "Verily I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise." Jesus promised this dying believer that he would be in heaven with Him on the resurrection morning at His second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

Praise the Lord, every believer in Christ can claim the promise made to the dying thief. Even though we should die, we will be raised to be with Christ in paradise.
 






Maldarker

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Do you remember I asked you where the Bible says that? It is not enough to tell me I'm wrong, you've got to prove it from the Word of God.
Y it's in the scriptures i can show you like i have with other verses on other discussions but you have your view point on it i have mine obvious i won't change your view & you mine....free will and all. Like i said in the pm as long as we are on the foundation of JESUS like i discussed then where good. Because let me guess your view on it is the A-Millennial View & mine is pre. What i do find funny is that the A view is also the view of the catholic church strange that isn't it? Like they don't have an agenda to not want to see CHRISTs literal reign on earth.
 






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