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Lurker defends pedos, good to know. Well he tried then when challenged said some garbage about ”wings” and yawned. Braindead
'Cuties': Netflix, Sundance and p***philia- oh my.
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AlcyoneSong
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This has nothing to do with personal morals, but rather an attitude that a film portraying children 11 years old, performing a dance that originated in strip clubs and essentially done to excite and arouse is seen as "progressive" "edgy" art for the sake of art instead of a film about kids who have been influenced by media, culture, and society to think that by behaving in certain ways they are somehow "empowered".
Which is utter bullshit. You say you want a lassez faire set up, where government has little to do with what private companies do. You want a "Wild West" sort of freedom, yet you have absolutely no idea what the real cost of that "freedom" is. AND who pays the price. I find your arguments to be shallow against the truth that wherever money and power are married, people are exploited. I find it humorous that you even dare call out "right wing white trash" with the same breath that you condone material and media that exploits POC, girls, for the pure sake of "representation".
I'm calling bullshit.
I'm calling out Netflix for being absolutely fucked by libertards like yourself to where they are completely blind or willingly blind to the exploitation of young black girls for the sake of "ART".
I'm calling out you for being so calloused that you can't see beyond your self-righteous snobbery to see the inherent wrongness of such a film and media being distributed by a world wide company like Netflix and the deception Netflix has done to it's users by downplaying the MA content of a movie featuring 11 year old girls, simply because the girls are black, the director was black, the movie did well at Sundance, and that we can't dare challenge content based on content without it turning political. Fuck that.
The sister of the victim, whose name The Associated Press is withholding because she is a victim of sexual abuse, read a letter on her sister’s behalf blasting Van Wagenen for lying and being a coward. “I strongly believe the only thing you were actually torn up about is the fact that you got caught,” the sister said. Van Wagenen declined to apologize when he spoke to the victim and her family. “It’s clear that any kind of apology I can make is meaningless at this point,” Van Wagenen said. “So I am not even going to attempt one. I want you all to know I feel the consequences of what I’ve done. I feel them deeply.” He pleaded guilty earlier this year to two counts of sexual abuse of a child, both involving the same victim, as part of a plea deal. Van Wagenen co-founded a Utah film festival that came to be known as Sundance Film Festival with Robert Redford and was the Sundance Institute’s founding executive director, but hasn’t been with the organization for more than 20 years.
SMH...
Which is utter bullshit. You say you want a lassez faire set up, where government has little to do with what private companies do. You want a "Wild West" sort of freedom, yet you have absolutely no idea what the real cost of that "freedom" is. AND who pays the price. I find your arguments to be shallow against the truth that wherever money and power are married, people are exploited. I find it humorous that you even dare call out "right wing white trash" with the same breath that you condone material and media that exploits POC, girls, for the pure sake of "representation".
I'm calling bullshit.
I'm calling out Netflix for being absolutely fucked by libertards like yourself to where they are completely blind or willingly blind to the exploitation of young black girls for the sake of "ART".
I'm calling out you for being so calloused that you can't see beyond your self-righteous snobbery to see the inherent wrongness of such a film and media being distributed by a world wide company like Netflix and the deception Netflix has done to it's users by downplaying the MA content of a movie featuring 11 year old girls, simply because the girls are black, the director was black, the movie did well at Sundance, and that we can't dare challenge content based on content without it turning political. Fuck that.
The sister of the victim, whose name The Associated Press is withholding because she is a victim of sexual abuse, read a letter on her sister’s behalf blasting Van Wagenen for lying and being a coward. “I strongly believe the only thing you were actually torn up about is the fact that you got caught,” the sister said. Van Wagenen declined to apologize when he spoke to the victim and her family. “It’s clear that any kind of apology I can make is meaningless at this point,” Van Wagenen said. “So I am not even going to attempt one. I want you all to know I feel the consequences of what I’ve done. I feel them deeply.” He pleaded guilty earlier this year to two counts of sexual abuse of a child, both involving the same victim, as part of a plea deal. Van Wagenen co-founded a Utah film festival that came to be known as Sundance Film Festival with Robert Redford and was the Sundance Institute’s founding executive director, but hasn’t been with the organization for more than 20 years.
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Thinking that by doing away with all laws you will be left with a "wild west" world is a total fantasy, nothing more. You utterly ignore the special interests and corporate class which control the institutions of the world. This is why the corporate class and anarchists are best friends, they have the same goals as seen this year. Wipe out morality, tradition, law, and leave the population as a deracinated consumer class.
Its no mistake that it was Islamic characters as well. They are the last collective that doesn't allow unGodly morality to be pressed upon them. So the corporate class has begun to work on them.
It might be hard for you to believe @Lurker, but people outside of the United States haven't been brainwashed into the left/right paradigm used to divide your country into two. People elsewhere have stances based on morality, not duality. See if you can use that great American education, google a few words in the thread to learn the definitions, look up where France is on a map, and think up a response
Its no mistake that it was Islamic characters as well. They are the last collective that doesn't allow unGodly morality to be pressed upon them. So the corporate class has begun to work on them.
It might be hard for you to believe @Lurker, but people outside of the United States haven't been brainwashed into the left/right paradigm used to divide your country into two. People elsewhere have stances based on morality, not duality. See if you can use that great American education, google a few words in the thread to learn the definitions, look up where France is on a map, and think up a response
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YES Thank you! You are absolutely right about the target being a Muslim family. In particular a conservative one. I'm not a total fan of Islam, I feel like there are things that need to change, HOWEVER, I think Netflix is asking for a war which it will not win by testing the Nation of Islam. Excuse me but I'm going to sit this one out.
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Isn't the Sundance film festival where Harvey Weinstein raped a bunch of girls? Kind of an odd place to feature a coming of age story about little kids. So what I'm wondering is, are people upset at the idea of coming of age stories, or the lens by which this one is seen through?
Certainly, any coming of age story can be controversial. I remember when that movie "Kids" came out, and people were freaking out over some of the themes. Basically I remember more about how people were freaking out, and like nothing about the actual movie. Of course, at 14 I was watching that show on HBO called "Oz". So no coming of age story will ever shock me.
Certainly, any coming of age story can be controversial. I remember when that movie "Kids" came out, and people were freaking out over some of the themes. Basically I remember more about how people were freaking out, and like nothing about the actual movie. Of course, at 14 I was watching that show on HBO called "Oz". So no coming of age story will ever shock me.
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WOW so ironic that you bring up the 1995 film "Kids" which was distributed by Disney under a pseudo company and hold on...
It was the 52 year-old Clark’s first movie. It was Harmony Korine’s first anything. Chloe Sevigny had previously been a shopgirl; Rosario Dawson had previously been in junior high. Some of the actors became stars. Others went back to the streets. Some, like Spirit Award winner Justin Pierce and skate legend Harold Hunter, are no longer here at all. (They committed suicide)
Chloe Sevigny (Actor, “Jennie”): I moved to New York from Connecticut in the summer of ’93, the year I graduated from high school. I was working at Liquid Sky [a downtown rave retailer], living in Brooklyn Heights with five other kids who all worked for [nightclub impresario] Peter Gatien at different clubs. So you can only imagine what my life was like — having a free pass, entry into all of the clubs in NYC, working at rave central. I never really thought I was a club girl, but I was really into going out and being in a scene. I couldn’t get enough of the weirdos and freaks. (Pay attention to this)
Fitzpatrick: Larry was always lurking around. Nobody really knew what his deal was, because he was 50 at the time, and always had a camera. Now, kids don’t trust adults, especially adults with cameras. But he would hang out with this young photographer named Tobin Yelland, who said no, he’s okay, he’s with me. Larry was hanging out with the best skateboarders, like Mark Gonzales and Julien Stranger and John Cardiel — all these amazing guys I idolized. So I broke my skateboard, we all go back to his house and he gives me a board. Like, here you go kid. I was like, that guy is cool. _Larry is a professional groomer (pay attention)
Marketing, Miramax & Sundance
Woods: I had a friend who worked at New York Magazine. And she begged me to see the movie. I said look, here’s the deal: if you see it and don’t like it, it’s just me and you and that’s it. But if you like it and want to do something on it, let’s talk about it. Then she lost her mind for it, and it ended up on the cover of New York even though no one had seen the fucking movie yet. It was fantastic. Then Harvey Weinstein wanted to see it, and because we’re good friends I showed it to him before anybody else.
Harvey Weinstein (Co-Founder of Miramax): I sat and watched it in our screening room in Tribeca and, honestly, there’s no simple, concise way to describe how I felt. Dumbstruck? Awestruck? Impassioned? All I knew was that we had to somehow put it out, whatever it took, because this was something raw and real on the level of the cinema of the Seventies, when filmmakers all of a sudden took a turn towards capturing our dark underbellies.
Woods: He goes, “That’s quite a movie you got there. What do you think I should do?” He wasn’t negotiating — we’re friends. I said you should probably just pass because Michael Eisner is going to rip your balls off if you buy this movie. I mean, [Miramax] was owned by Disney. And he said, “Well then, what are you going to do?” I said I’m going to open it at Sundance and sell it for a ton of money to whoever’s going to be the next Miramax. He goes, “Be at my office at three o’clock.” He wanted it, and typical Harvey, he’d figure out how to make it work.
Weinstein: We weren’t naïve about it. But I thought it was such an important film that maybe people would make exceptions. Obviously, I was wrong, and we had to go through that incredibly complicated method of distribution.
Weinstein: We started a distribution company strictly for the purpose of putting Kidsout and called it Shining Excalibur Pictures.
Bowles: Harvey wanted to call it Excalibur. In the back of my head, I have an association with that name for some reason, and it’s not a positive one. We did a title search and realized that Excalibur Films was one of the big porno companies. So then it was Shining Excalibur. It was like, you know, throw a gerund on there. We set up an office in the Tribeca building. Six or seven people worked there, but obviously Miramax publicity was very much involved throughout — it was all done to steer clear of Disney. We did try to get an R rating; in fact, when the R was rejected, I remembering going out to L.A. with [lawyer] Alan Dershowitz, who was doing the appeal at the MPAA. There was no actual nudity in the film. But at every juncture, and I have to emphasize this strongly, every strategic thing we did we had vetted by a whole team of lawyers, including the preeminent child pornography lawyer in the country.
Woods: There was some law that you cannot show a nipple if [the actress] is under 18, and if you did it was like a criminal offense. So we had to have some special effects house smooth it over. It was more expensive than anything else we did on the movie.
Weinstein: Not only were we threatened on a censorship level, we were threatened on a criminal level. (Prophetic Weinstein)
Fitzpatrick: After the film came out, immediately I didn’t like the association with it. I played the biggest fucking villain of the summer. So if wasn’t getting laid before, how do you think I was doing now? I’d have other skaters come up to me and go, “You know why I wasn’t in Kids? Because I ain’t no kid!” I still get vibed at bars because of that shit. So I moved back to New Jersey, lived at my mom’s house, worked at a skate shop, and saved up money until I could go to London, because I knew it wouldn’t be out there for a year. I wanted to get away from it as much as possible. Now I can appreciate it, but back then I was like what the fuck?
Sevigny: I had gotten my job back at Liquid Sky and I was working there when the movie came out, when it was playing at the Angelika. And then people started calling me at the store about being in movies.
Fitzpatrick: I thought was kind of fucked up was that Miramax never helped us make a transition into anything. Hollywood people scared me — I thought they were all creeps. It wasn’t until I was in my 20s that I was comfortable really acting again.
Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/kids-the-oral-history-of-the-most-controversial-film-of-the-nineties-105069/
So we have Sundance, Weinstein, Disney... underage sex...porn association (legal loopholes to get around it) God this shit writes itself
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...not entirely sure that this is the correct/best discussion thread to place this into....
...but it just landed in my newsfeed.... and I thought the VC folks might wanna see it....
...I have no knowledge of this young female actress..... but I'm sure some/most of you do....
Natalie Portman Bears Scars Of Being Sexualized By Hollywood At 12 – ‘I’m Conservative…Don’t Look At Me That Way’
Natalie Portman opened up to Dax Shepard about how being "sexualized as a child" by Hollywood and the media nearly destroyed her.
...excerpts... all at link.... if interested....
Natalie Portman is one of the few child stars who managed to stay on a good path and transition to a successful acting career as an adult. Being sexualized by Hollywood at a tender age, however, left the Oscar-winning Best Actress with scars according to a candid chat with Dax Shepard of “Parenthood” fame.
In a new interview, the Black Swan actress reveals how coming of age in Hollywood – and coming out healthy on the other side – was far from easy for her. Natalie Portman says that being “sexualized as a child” actress by the media took a major toll on her.
...but it just landed in my newsfeed.... and I thought the VC folks might wanna see it....
...I have no knowledge of this young female actress..... but I'm sure some/most of you do....
Natalie Portman Bears Scars Of Being Sexualized By Hollywood At 12 – ‘I’m Conservative…Don’t Look At Me That Way’
Natalie Portman opened up to Dax Shepard about how being "sexualized as a child" by Hollywood and the media nearly destroyed her.
...excerpts... all at link.... if interested....
Natalie Portman is one of the few child stars who managed to stay on a good path and transition to a successful acting career as an adult. Being sexualized by Hollywood at a tender age, however, left the Oscar-winning Best Actress with scars according to a candid chat with Dax Shepard of “Parenthood” fame.
In a new interview, the Black Swan actress reveals how coming of age in Hollywood – and coming out healthy on the other side – was far from easy for her. Natalie Portman says that being “sexualized as a child” actress by the media took a major toll on her.
Natalie Portman Bares Scars Of Being Sexualized By Hollywood At 12 - 'I’m Conservative...Don't Look At Me That Way'
Natalie Portman opened up to Dax Shepard about how being "sexualized as a child" by Hollywood and the media nearly destroyed her.
www.themix.net