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How do the Anti-American muslim sympathisers explain the fact that the terrorists ADMITTED doing 9/11?..
you dont have to be a fan of muslims or be a muslim sympathizer to know that 9/11 was perpatrated by the US with help from israel.
instead of attacking you for being on a forum dedicated to truth and not knowing about what really happened, i cordially invite you to look into what really occurred.

this is a MUST watch:

if you watch this in its entirety and still believe the official story, you have my word that i will leave you alone about it for the rest of my time on the internet.
 

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- A Brit TV documentary explained with pics and computer simulations why the towers came down after the burning jet fuel melted the supporting "truss" type steel framework; and said there's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss"
This statement alone proved one thing quite conclusively.......you sir are a moron.

If Al-Q didn't do it, why would they say they did and face the subsequent fury of America's military might in the mideast?
The fury of America's military might?

What type of clownish statement is that?
 

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1- A Brit TV documentary explained with pics and computer simulations why the towers came down after the burning jet fuel melted the supporting "truss" type steel framework; and said there's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss".
university of alaska at fairbanks did a study recently concluding the exact opposite. the building was meant to withstand an airplane impact.

2- If Al-Q didn't do it, why would they say they did and face the subsequent fury of America's military might in the mideast?
al-queda is a fabrication of the CIA. have you seen "the power of nightmares" by adam curtis?
 

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The "Bush did it" consp-theory is a joke because America ALREADY HAD enough reason to invade the mideast because of all the muslim terror atrocities that had been going on, so he didn't NEED to fake 9/11 to give him a reason, you'll be telling us next that he hired Mary Poppins to do it..:D
Oh wait, this startling new footage has just emerged!!-
Excellent points. Now learn something.
OBL and 9/11 - nothing adds up, and it never did.

Why do people connect Osama bin Laden and 9/11? Answer: Mainly because the corporate media told, retold and echoed this story, right from when UA Flight 175 hit the South Tower. It was as if the copy had already been prepared to be distributed to the mainstream outlets, ready to be aired as soon as it was apparent that the nation was under some kind of attack. Even more strangely, they attributed the attacks - "this bears the hallmarks of Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda" - even though that obscure group had previous attempted nothing more sophisticated than crude truck bombs. 9/11 was completely different in every aspect to what we would have normally attribute to "al Qaeda". So, we were "informed" about an ongoing event and its alleged perpetrators, regarding a scenario with NO historical precedent or rational expectation, and before any form of inquiry had even gotten under way.

Then on September 14, 2001, as if to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, Osama bin Laden, in his own words and broadcast all over the world media, distances himself from the attacks. (?/!!) This is strange in and of itself. 9/11 was the jackpot of all terrorist operations, and to run rings around the entire US multi-trillion military-industrial-intelligence-law enforcement-security etc etc apparatus without a single shot being fired in return is surely the fevered fantasy of any "jihadist" or group with a grudge against the US. However, instead of bragging, crowing and strutting around proclaiming how he "wounded the Great Satan", he denies involvement on multiple occasions. Furthermore no other alleged member of his organization admitted any responsibility either.

This is just the first of a long list of anomalies and "bizarre goings on" as regards Osama bin Laden in relation to 9/11, in approximate chronological order:

1. There have been close ties between the Bush and Bin Laden families, going back decades.

2. OBL was one of many recipients of US taxpayer funds, funneled to the Afghan Mujahadeen anti-Soviet fighters by US Central Intelligence in the 1980s. He became one of many on the CIA's mujahideen *database*, which gave rise to the CIA's colloquialism for this database "al Qaeda" (meaning 'the base' in Arabic').

3. In 1999 - while OBL was one of the US' most wanted suspect, ABC reporter John Milller was able to sashay into bin Laden's mountain hideout and conduct a series of interviews *on camera*. Miller was treated well. This interview occurred *after* the US Embassy bombings in Africa, while OBL was on the FBI's most wanted list in connection with those attacks. Then make the comparison: for 10 years, the combined might of the US and coalition military, the intelligence community and Interpol failed to locate OBL, let alone capture him.

4. One of the first items on the Bush Administration's agenda in January 2001, shortly after Bush's inauguration was to order the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden's relatives (Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, VA., which is, coincidentally perhaps, right next to CIA headquarters(!).

5. The Bush Administration instructed the FBI to disband their bin Laden unit in summer of 2001. John O'Neill, the former head of the FBI's OBL investigation unit was killed in the World,Trade Center, 9/11/2001.
6. According to an article that appeared in the French newspaper Le Figaro and numerous other reliable print media throughout the world (barring the U.S., oddly), in summer 2001, Osama bin Laden was visited by CIA station chief Larry Mitchell and other US personnel while in hospital in Dubai, where he was apparently undergoing kidney treatment. However, after being with OBL for several hours, his visitors left without him, despite his being on the FBI's "Most Wanted" list for his alleged involvements in the US Embassy and other bombings.

7. Osama bin Laden was last seen on the night of September10, 2001, one day prior to 9/11, at a military hospital in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi where he was probably receiving kidney dialysis treatment. This military hospital is attached to an intelligence facility, jointly staffed by ISI agents and a US military/intelligence unit which reported to Washington DC on a daily basis. This was reported by CBS and many other media outlets.

8. Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, members of the bin Laden family resident in the US were spirited away from US jurisdiction via private jet (despite there being an ongoing ban on all private and commercial flights). This seems illogical: if OBL was truly wanted by the authorities, any immediate members of his family would have *surely* been the first ones brought in for questioning by the FBI: after all, being family members, any one of them might have been able to give law enforcement valuable information leading to his possible arrest. But this possibility was eliminated by the decision to keep OBL's family members away from questioning by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

9. It does not require a massive military operation involving 10s of thousands of troops, air support and the accompanying huge logistical effort, just to capture ONE MAN. There was only person in Afghanistan with a link to 9/11. The plans to invade Afghanistan had been on President Bush's desk prior to 9/11

10. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were instantly blamed for the 9/11 attacks without a single solitary shred of evidence, and for an attack which was totally out of pattern regarding other attacks of which OBL/al Qaeda have been previously accused.

11. September 14, 2001: "I did NOT have anything to do with the attacks on America on September 11." Osama bin Laden in his own words.

12. The "smoking gun" videotape featuring Osama bin Laden, "found by US Marines" in Jalalabad, Afghanistan in October 2001 has been debunked as either faked, or misrepresented, by experts worldwide. The translations provided by the Pentagon for OBLs words have also been debunked as inaccurate.

13. OBL was apparently a most capable horseman, and horseback riding in the rugged mountainous regions on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was his preferred means of transport (little else is possible, there being few paved roads in the region). Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, when the Bush Administration was blaming OBL for it, a plan was presented to senior Pentagon officials to send in a team of expert US military endurance equestrian personnel with accompanying support, and provided with the best intelligence available. This request was flatly turned down by top Pentagon brass, even though it was suggested that this would have been the best way of reaching and capturing OBL.

14. OBL "escaped" from coalition troops in Afghanistan and the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region on no less than four separate occasions, even after having being surrounded and heavily outgunned. For this to happen once would be a major military faux pas in which heads would have surely rolled. Twice would have been an extraordinary coincidence: the US military is highly trained and skilled in these operations. Four times suggests that elements within the chain of command have been compromising operations in order to to protect him. Furthermore, such repeated incompetence within US military units assigned to capture him is extremely unlikely.

15. The FBI did not charge Osama bin Laden in relation to 9/11 because "we have no hard evidence linking him to the crimes of 9/11" (Rex Tomb FBI head of publicity, 2005).

16. The US Department of Justice did NOT INDICT Osama bin Laden for 9/11, because "there is no evidence that would stand up in a court of law that links (OBL) with 9/11".

17. According to the CIA, there was no evidence that Osama bin Laden's considerable personal financial resources were used to fund the attacks.

18. We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". Dick Cheney, WhiteHouse.gov, Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow, March 29, 2006

19. President Bush, on a number of occasions displayed his disinterest regarding Osama bin Laden: "I am not particularly interested in Osama bin Laden", "I am not really worried by Osama bin Laden" and "He doesn't concern me". Unless OBL was in secret custody, or dead, these statements are bizarre, considering that the US presence in Afghanistan was justified to the American people by the famous "smoking gun", (and 100% faked) videotape in which bin Laden confesses prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks.

20. In September 2008, it was widely published in the media that new evidence from former U.S. officials reveals that the Bush administration failed to adopt any plan to block the retreat of Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders from Afghanistan to Pakistan in the first weeks after 9/11. If OBL was the prime suspect in the 9/11 attacks, this seems a most illogical and counterproductive course of inaction.

21. The CIA admits to faking a Bin Laden video.

22. Alec Station, the specialist CIA unit charged with stalking Osama bin Laden since 1996 was disbanded in late 2005. No logical reason has been given for this. Had a change in OBL's status before 2005 rendered the unit redundant?

23. Former FBI translator and whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds, the "most gag-ordered person in US history" has also reported that Osama bin Laden was "working for the United States right up until 9/11".

24. The 2011 OBL "assassination" scenario in Abbottabad, Pakistan is most problematic. It has no support apart from single sourced media pronouncements, and there was no body, no photos, no video, no witnesses, and none of the sailors on board the USS Carl Vinson from which bin Laden's body was allegedly dumped iton the ocean saw anything pertaining to a "burial at sea" that day or night.

25. Nobody in the district in Abbottabad had seen anyone resembling Osama bin Laden, including visitors to the property, gardeners, kids playing in the area, and neighbors walking their dogs.

26. The 'Situation Room' OBL photo-op was clearly a staged PR event, with blatant evidence of photoshopping.

27. The alleged photos of the "dead Bin Laden" are being withheld despite FOIA law suits.

28. Stratfor emails dispute the idea that 'OBL' was secretly buried at sea.

29. For 10 years, there was a $25 million reward for the capture of OBL, dead or alive... and nobody came forward. $25 million buys A LOT, and nobody was interested our money? (Yeah…right!).

30. All pictures at the Abbottabad crime scene have been classified, under a court decision by Justice Boasberg on account of "national security" concerns (!), and thirdly, when we the people inquired "where is his body", the government replied that Osama bin Laden's body was dumped in the ocean, using the convenient - but sanctimonious - that "the United States military had disposed of the body in way respectful of the Islamic tradition".

31. If OBL conformed to the status given to him by his accusers, all efforts would have been taken to capture him alive since the potential intelligence that could have been garnered from interrogation would have been a goldmine of information. Bin Laden was not captured alive for interrogation, and he was unarmed.
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One final thought: We were informed (via an alleged confession from OBL) that a reason for the 9/11 attacks was because of (OBLs') anger towards the United States for stationing troops in Saudi Arabia "the cradle of Islam". He regarded this as the definitive defilement of the birthplace of his belief system. However, within a few short years, all US troops had been removed from Saudi soil, exactly what OBL had demanded. This is probably coincidental; the military resources were needed elsewhere, but it gave the impression that the Bush Administration had conceded to OBL's wishes; this is not exactly appropriate publicity especially as we have been informed over and over that "the United States does not negotiate with terrorists".
 

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.. you dont have to be a fan of muslims or be a muslim sympathizer to know that 9/11 was perpatrated by the US with help from israel.

Like I said, muslim terrorists had already committed enough atrocities BEFORE 9/11 to justify the US going into the mideast to bust their asses; so the US didn't NEED to fake 9/11 like the muslim-sympathising consp-theorists claim.
Heck, terrorists had ALREADY car-bombed the WTC in 1993 and killed 6..:p

1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days.

1982
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.

Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others.

1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed.
 

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Heck, terrorists had ALREADY car-bombed the WTC in 1993 and killed 6..:p


 
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university of alaska at fairbanks did a study recently concluding the exact opposite. the building was meant to withstand an airplane impact.
al-queda is a fabrication of the CIA. have you seen "the power of nightmares" by adam curtis?

1- It wasn't the impact of the planes that brought the towers down, they remained standing for a good while til the burning jet fuel melted the supporting steel truss framework holding up the floor above. then when that floor collapsed it brought down all the rest like a concertina.

2- If Bin Laden was the CIA's boy, why did they hunt him down and kill him?..:p

 
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I can't believe on a conspiracy site that there are still people on here that think the cockamamie OBL theory has validity. There's enough evidence in the threads that can refute this, but I'll just post a video that has probably been deleted by YT considering the content. Christopher Bollyn, a real investigative journalist has a lot of knowledge on this topic:

 

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Well, for one thing he ADMITTED he dun it!
Has Al-Q or any other terror organisation ever said "WE NEVER DUN IT!"?

Read the article and learn something. It refers to your propaganda piece.
Did Osama bin Laden Confess to the 9/11 Attacks, and Did He Die, in 2001?
 
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Like I said, muslim terrorists had already committed enough atrocities BEFORE 9/11 to justify the US going into the mideast to bust their asses; so the US didn't NEED to fake 9/11 like the muslim-sympathising consp-theorists claim.
Heck, terrorists had ALREADY car-bombed the WTC in 1993 and killed 6..:p

1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days.

1982
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.

Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others.

1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed.
you want to justify US war in the middle east region when the US CIA has been there causing problems for decades? more importantly, why shouldnt the US have bombed saudi arabia into oblivion since most of the hijackers were saudis? it wasnt too long ago that rumsfeld himself was shaking hands with saddam in iraq... yet the US went in there with zero evidence that iraq was involved.
this is basic false flag 101. even IF all of these middle east attacks were legit, each one is a separate country! lumping them all together is crazy. thats like having a radical extremist latino blow up YT headquarters (we could only hope) and then having the US retaliate on guatamala even though the guy was from mexico.
 

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Well, for one thing he ADMITTED he dun it!
Has Al-Q or any other terror organisation ever said "WE NEVER DUN IT!"?
if you think that the MSM media is total bullocks when it comes to leftist, progressive pap but they are completely credible when it comes to every other news source.... well, you have a lot of homework to do.
 

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1- It wasn't the impact of the planes that brought the towers down, they remained standing for a good while til the burning jet fuel melted the supporting steel truss framework holding up the floor above. then when that floor collapsed it brought down all the rest like a concertina.

2- If Bin Laden was the CIA's boy, why did they hunt him down and kill him?..
oh man. this is basic stuff.
the jet fuel ignited and then was exhausted in minutes. it couldnt have gotten hot enough to melt those beams. everyone who has looked deeply into that-- architects, engineers, etc. knows this. even IF the beams melted (which they couldnt with the limited jet fuel), that wouldnt explain the building collapse below it or its freefall speed collapse OR how the buiilding amazingly fell within its own footprint. with your theory, the building shouldve had melted beams on one side of the building and keeled over on the weak side.

bin laden was dead before 9-11. the hunt for him was justification for the occupation of opium fields and lithium mines. you dont believe that ridiculous photoshopped picture of the dead bin laden, do you?


bin laden was already dead. bhutto turned up dead shortly after this interview.
 

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..even IF all of these middle east attacks were legit, each one is a separate country! lumping them all together is crazy..

But mate, ALL muslims hate our guts because their Koran tells them to!-
"O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard against evil" (Koran 9.123)

We saw them dancing in the streets all across the mideast at the news that their "brothers" had just murdered 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11, so they're ALL our sworn enemies no matter what countries they're in..:p
 

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..you dont believe that ridiculous photoshopped picture of the dead bin laden, do you?

Nah, I never have, because in reality his head was blown clean off.
Anyway who cares about fake photos, he's dead as a dodo and good riddance..:)
 
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But mate, ALL muslims hate our guts because their Koran tells them to!-
"O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard against evil" (Koran 9.123)
extreme muslims might have motive, but that doesnt mean they did 9/11. thats why they call it a false flag, tidal.
 

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But mate, ALL muslims hate our guts because their Koran tells them to!-
"O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard against evil" (Koran 9.123)

We saw them dancing in the streets all across the mideast at the news that their "brothers" had just murdered 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11, so they're ALL our sworn enemies no matter what countries they're in..:p
You realize Allah is God right? Abrahamic religions worship the same monotheistic God. Elites want to secularize and divide the world so Christians, Muslims, and Jews (not the elites that run the religious and government institutions) can’t get together to realize we are brothers and sisters. Divide and conquer so the luciferian elites can bring in the NWO for the anti-christ (what they believe) in New Jerusalem. They aren’t waiting for Jesus (Issa).
CIA has been destabilizing the region for decades for this exact purpose. Osama bin Laden is Tim Osman (CIA code name).
 
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