Could the Antichrist actually be the "Good Guy?"

Thunderian

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Jesus means "Hail Zeus" in ancient Greek. That's the god you're following...

If you research the NT thoroughly, you will find that the Gospells were all originally anonymous. They were given names 100 years later and their author's are highly contested by even Christian "scholars."

Mark and Luke never walked with Jesus either and Mark even changes one of the apostle's name from Judas to Thaddaeus (Mark 3:18). That's a pretty big goof...

Shalom :)
I really hope this is just a teaser, and not your big proof. Be a shame if you threw away your salvation because of ignorance.

Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek name Iésous, which is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Joshua, which is what Jesus' name was. I know that you probably have some argument that the name Jesus still means "hail Zeus", but none of that changes the original name of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. Unless you have something that says Yeshua also means "hail Zeus," you've really got nothing but a failing argument.

We believe it was God inspired the Bible. The individual scribes were never an issue to believers. It's only those who don't believe in the Bible who attack it this way, and I honestly don't know what difference it makes. Can you prove who wrote each book of the Old Testament? Does that affect your faith in them?

We know Jesus had a disciple called Matthew. We know that the book of Matthew was already considered scripture by the end of the first century, and that tradition even then held that it was written by Jesus' disciple Matthew. There is no reason to doubt that he could have written the book that bears his name.

Mark is the John Mark mentioned in Acts 12:12. His uncle was Barnabas, and they both traveled with Paul on his first missionary journey. Again, there is no reason to doubt he could very well be the author of the book that bears his name, and he would have been a first-hand witness to many or all of the events depicted in the gospels, and certainly would have known Jesus personally.

Luke is the "beloved physician" Paul wrote of in Colossians 4:14. He would have known many of Jesus' disciples and others who knew Jesus personally. No reason to doubt this any more than there is to doubt anyone else who interviewed eyewitnesses and wrote a historical account.

The author of the gospel of John (as well as John I, II, III and Revelation) is John Zebedee, the brother of James. He identifies himself in his gospel five times (13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 20) as "the disciple whom Jesus loved", and again, there is no reason to doubt he is the author of the books ascribed to him.

Also remember that Jesus had another disciple who wrote scripture, Peter, who vouched for the gospels, and Paul's writings, saying, For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

As for disciples names changing, you know that people often had two names they were called by, right? Judas was also called Thaddeus, Peter was also called Simon, Bartholomew was known as Nathanael. This is first day stuff, really, and something most people learn in Sunday School. I am surprised you fell for it.

Like I said, it would be a shame if you traded salvation for an ignorant misunderstanding of the Bible.
 

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If Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew what was Joshua's name in Hebrew ?

No one find it odd that the name given for Jesus is a translation of the name Joshua ?
 

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I really hope this is just a teaser, and not your big proof. Be a shame if you threw away your salvation because of ignorance.

Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek name Iésous, which is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Joshua, which is what Jesus' name was. I know that you probably have some argument that the name Jesus still means "hail Zeus", but none of that changes the original name of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. Unless you have something that says Yeshua also means "hail Zeus," you've really got nothing but a failing argument.

We believe it was God inspired the Bible. The individual scribes were never an issue to believers. It's only those who don't believe in the Bible who attack it this way, and I honestly don't know what difference it makes. Can you prove who wrote each book of the Old Testament? Does that affect your faith in them?

We know Jesus had a disciple called Matthew. We know that the book of Matthew was already considered scripture by the end of the first century, and that tradition even then held that it was written by Jesus' disciple Matthew. There is no reason to doubt that he could have written the book that bears his name.

Mark is the John Mark mentioned in Acts 12:12. His uncle was Barnabas, and they both traveled with Paul on his first missionary journey. Again, there is no reason to doubt he could very well be the author of the book that bears his name, and he would have been a first-hand witness to many or all of the events depicted in the gospels, and certainly would have known Jesus personally.

Luke is the "beloved physician" Paul wrote of in Colossians 4:14. He would have known many of Jesus' disciples and others who knew Jesus personally. No reason to doubt this any more than there is to doubt anyone else who interviewed eyewitnesses and wrote a historical account.

The author of the gospel of John (as well as John I, II, III and Revelation) is John Zebedee, the brother of James. He identifies himself in his gospel five times (13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 20) as "the disciple whom Jesus loved", and again, there is no reason to doubt he is the author of the books ascribed to him.

Also remember that Jesus had another disciple who wrote scripture, Peter, who vouched for the gospels, and Paul's writings, saying, For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

As for disciples names changing, you know that people often had two names they were called by, right? Judas was also called Thaddeus, Peter was also called Simon, Bartholomew was known as Nathanael. This is first day stuff, really, and something most people learn in Sunday School. I am surprised you fell for it.

Like I said, it would be a shame if you traded salvation for an ignorant misunderstanding of the Bible.
Jesus' name was always Jesus, because the New Testament was never written in Hebrew, but written in Greek. Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahoshua is all a lie. The proof is that the New Testament was never written in Hebrew - the Father's holy language. It was only written in Greek, a satanic language that is scientifically engineered to express the occult, not the Father's thoughts, guidance, or law.

PS: You probably saw, I started a new thread...

Shalom :)
 

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Here is a wonderful video where Chuck Missler shares and explains where our modern translations of the bible comes from, why there are contradictions in many of the translations, which ones are the safest translations. The "Golden thread" that runs throughout the Bible that proves it was divinely inspired (yes the new testament included). And also some profound insight into the genealogy of Jeshua (Jesus). This is one of those videos that grounded my faith a lot
I used to like Chuck, but he's a deceiver just like the rest. You have to let go of anyone on TV. Chuck commonly teaches wearing a black suit and a red tie. Any guess on who else loves that color combination?

Shalom :)
 

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Sorry Lady,

I don't intend to be rude but truth is important and sometimes I can't just discuss things of great importance in a dispassionate way. If you agree with 'King David' let me ask you this then, what will the Archangel Michael do when he arrives? What does he expect of you? How (if at all) can he atone for your sin?

Forgive my annoyance, but when someone says something apparently and perhaps literally soul destroying, they run the risk of being asked to clarify and explain their position...
:) :D :rolleyes: :) :D :rolleyes:
Whose words am I quoting in my previous post? Those are Christ's words! I am Jesus Christ's biggest fan because He literally turned my life around when I understood exactly WHO He was!

I hear this Michael theory every few years, so it will fade once again in due time. I am not going to spend time refuting it now.
Sorry - I thought you were on the 'Jesus is the Antichrist' team I could no more keep quiet if someone called my kids the spawn of satan than to quietly tolerate such an accusation.

I just realized that you probably thought I was being sarcastic in my post when I said, "Nice attitude." It was a genuine compliment, not rude sarcasm.
 

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My studies have revealed that Daniel 2:43 is referring to the mark of the Beast. That's what iron mixed with clay means. We are the clay and the iron is the microchip that will be placed in the right hand or forehead. The mark of the Beast will be a computer app in the human body. It will be powered by a chip.
I agree with that... But I am careful not to trust the Book of Revelation 100%. This is because it is not written in Hebrew, nor does it have any guidance directly quoted from the Father (Yahuwah). However, I believe through astrology Satan has produced a document that has some truth.
Shalom :)
 

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You've given me a lot to chew on... :)
My experience through church was the same as many others -- unfulfilling, but that's not what led me to abandon Christianity. I had been to so many churches and left so many churches, because all they were concerned with was drinking coffee and feeling a caffeine or sugar buzz. They were exasperated with me when I simply started questioning their NIV translations...

But what finally led me to the truth was reading the New Testament again (after many previous reads) and not just focusing on the cherry picked verses that we always saw in church or read at various Bible studies. I started to match up what was quoted in the NT vs. what was written in the OT and found that they didn't match. I started to try and make sense of each chapter as a whole and found them to be contradictory and that they were even in a Monarch programming style format (Trauma Based Mind Control).

This is why it is so hard to talk people off of Jesus - it is deeply embedded programming that they feel safe with. Most won't even look at the scriptures themselves to challenge what I've written, because of fear that they might have it all wrong. The others won't look because of pride, thinking they have it all right.

Finding out myself that Saul's testimony doesn't match in Acts 9 and Acts 22 was huge too. That is a BIG deal. His writings are heavily influenced with Monarch (Trauma Based Mind Control techniques). Study that on your own if you haven't already.

After going through Saul's writings I then I took the gospels and matched them up against each other. I found that none of them agree. Then I researched their history and found that they were originally all anonymous. How can that be? Plus, Mark and Luke were friends with Saul! So it all started to line up.

I did all this after I was given my identity by My Father and I had completed my study of the Old Testament. So seeing a New Testament that had "Jesus" talking about changing the Father's Law became abominable to me, same with Saul. My Father had me go through this just like all of you so I could understand how difficult it is to separate from this brainwashing. This is why there will only be 10,000 that follow Michael to Israel (Deut 33:2). The rest will be destroyed. :(

Yeshua is not Jesus' real name, because "Jesus" does not translate to Hebrew. It is not Joshua in Hebrew. Joshua's name is Yehoshua. Jesus' name was alway Jesus, because the New Testament was a Roman document, written in Greek. Jesus was a Roman citizen.

I don't have the time to check into Chuck Missler's work right now, sorry :( Like I wrote in another comment, I used to like him, until I discovered the truth. He's a deceiver like the rest. I'm sorry to break that to you, but like I've written, we have to be willing to let go of big ministry names. They are all either controlled, or programmed with lies. The truth is with small numbers right now... VERY SMALL.

Shalom :)
 

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Can you please show the links which makes you conclude that the apostles/ disciples of apostles were originally anonymous? In a new thread would probably be better.
The Catholic Encyclopedia produced this evidence. They are the ones who own and control most of the documents in existence today. They are "safely" located in the Vatican...
 

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Thank you King David, I truly want to be gentle because when we attack one another none of us will get anywhere and we wont be able to have proper debates, or learn from one another... Ok I hear what you are saying but what I am asking you is, what is the situation that lead you to start to question the Christian Faith. What happened at church and with your fellow Christians that made you feel like something isn't right? The content of what you have learned is not what I am asking no, what I am asking is to share the context and journey of you ending up with this research, the conversations that you had with Jahwe (God).

See this is important as it colours the things we learn, and influences the path we end up on. I agree, it rarely happens that we ever change people's minds on a forum where we debate. But we cannot ever deny that the devil deceives many of us on a daily basis, and when we get hurt in relationships, in churches, in family - this is when we are weakest, most vulnerable and absolutely open to be deceived spiritually... I am NOT saying you are deceived, that is not for me to judge, only the WORD of God can judge us. I am trying to see if the root of your journey is pure... I want to understand why you are here.

( Just as a sidenote, I am putting Jesus's name in brackets because I have also recently seen that as we near the end times it is becoming apparent that we must be clear who we are talking about, Jesus's proper name is Jeshua as I understand it)

I also want to ask you to have a look at this article by Chuck Missler, he talks about Jeshua's (Jesus) genealogy as recited in the new testament and recorded in the old testament or Torah. He talks about the Heptadic structure of the texts both in the Torah as well as the New Testament. He also sheds lots of light on the contradictions that you guys mention and where they come from (they were not in the original texts).

I will also share a video that will explain what I mean by Heptadic structure using Jeshua (Jesus)'s genealogy as an example.

Here is the link:
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/

Some points on this page is:
How We Got Our Bible - The Origin of the Word of God
  • Where did our Bible come from? How good are the texts?
  • Why do we believe its origin is supernatural?
  • How do we know that it really is the Word of God?
  • How accurate are our translations?
  • Which version is the best?
Okay, I didn't want to be too rigid, so I took a look at the khouse page... There's so much data I could get lost for days! I love numerology and gematria, but there's too much there to process right now.

Please listen...try understanding the source. By that I mean you have to understand that Yahuwah does not change Malachi 3:6. He never prophesied of Jesus, nor sending His son to die on a cross. His Son Michael will die and be swept away after He reigns in Zion. (Daniel 11:22, Zechariah 13). There's no cross mentioned. Crosses are an abomination to Us (Deut 21:16). If you're really on a truth search, challenge what I've written by doing your own study. Don't just stop here at "agree to disagree" or you will never validate your faith. You can do it!

Shalom :)
 

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If Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew what was Joshua's name in Hebrew ?

No one find it odd that the name given for Jesus is a translation of the name Joshua ?
Yeshua and Joshua are two forms of the same name.

Jesus' name was always Jesus, because the New Testament was never written in Hebrew, but written in Greek. Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahoshua is all a lie. The proof is that the New Testament was never written in Hebrew - the Father's holy language. It was only written in Greek, a satanic language that is scientifically engineered to express the occult, not the Father's thoughts, guidance, or law.
Was the entire Old Testament written in Hebrew?

PS: You probably saw, I started a new thread...
I would like you to answer some of the questions on this thread, if you could.
 

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Yeshua and Joshua are two forms of the same name.



Was the entire Old Testament written in Hebrew?



I would like you to answer some of the questions on this thread, if you could.
Doing the best I can here. Is that a loaded question? The answer is yes, the entire VALID Old Testament was written in Hebrew. I have not researched the Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes as far as language of origin. That would be an easy search, I just haven't done it yet. Why do I mention these two books, because these two books are corrupt. It is therefore possible that they were written in Aramaic or even Greek and added later. If you've ever read the Odes and Psalms of Solomon, you will find that these books have many truths and notes of wisdom, but were also created around 100-200 AD and not originally written in Hebrew.

Shalom :)
 

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Yeshua and Joshua are two forms of the same name.



Was the entire Old Testament written in Hebrew?



I would like you to answer some of the questions on this thread, if you could.
Yeshua is a transliteration of Jesus. It's a made up name. Jesus' name was always Jesus. He was a Roman citizen.
Shalom :)
 

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King David, you've made so many claims with no factual evidence to support them.
Jesus was a Roman citizen? Really? Do you actually believe that?
Please provide some SERIOUS factual evidence from proven historical documents from 1st century AD. Thank you.
 

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Doing the best I can here. Is that a loaded question? The answer is yes, the entire VALID Old Testament was written in Hebrew.
Just out of idle curiosity, what books constitute the valid Old Testament, and how have you proven the authorship of each, and the original language each one was written in?
 

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Sorry. Can't receive that. I do have one question though because it's not my style to debate theologies.

Why would a Father who loves us allow a Holy book to become so corrupted that you need a PhD in Hebrew just to understand it?

It just doesn't fit the character of God and I am referring to the OT. The Father didn't just give us Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers he also gave us the book of Deuteronomy. If the first three books are the Father giving his children the Law, the final book of Deuteronomy is the Father lovingly placing his people Israel on his lap and reasoning with them "why" it is so critical to obey. Why obedience is necessary.

Over 600 laws, commandments and statutes can wear you out over time. The way of it all becomes just as important as the command. Where there is no vision the people perish. The why (book of Deuteronomy) became that vision.

I'm trying to reason with you the "why" has always mattered just as much as the command. This is the Fathers nature. And IMO that same Father wouldn't horribly confuse his children with a Holy book that is completely corrupted.

I would talk about salvation going to the gentiles as proof God said you shouldn't call anything unclean (greek language) but I'm afraid it would fall on deaf ears.
I loved your comments on Deuteronomy...

I know My Father pretty well now. Yahuwah does not change - Malachi 3:6.

I remember I used to debate my "fellow" Christians on the errors in translations from the NIV to the KJV for example. I heard the same thing from them. "God wouldn't do that!" They would say to me. Well, He didn't do it directly. He allowed Satan to do it. And why? Because the journey of finding truth is what keeps us alive.

What a tremendous world it would be if we were all indeed PhD's in Hebrew studies! There would be a lot less deception and confusion agreed? Instead, what do most focus their time on? Memorizing sports stats or the latest happenings of the Kardashians. Pretty sad isn't it?

The fact that the entire NT is only originally written in Greek is a sign to us not to trust it. You may not be able to receive it now, but that's the truth. Research it more and you will find that it is loaded with errors, contradictions, and does not support the Father's heart or His plan.

Without the law we are beasts. This is why My Father told Daniel to call the evil one a Beast and not an Antichrist. Yahuwah is Antichrist....

"My people die for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

Shalom :)
 

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I'm actually in my 40's and have been studying since 1995. You sound kind of like a Hebrew roots aficionado.
:) That's funny, another guy just called me a JW/Messianic Jew. The first thing you ought to know about me is that I don't fit into Anyone's little box...

The religions/denominations were all created to take a piece of the truth in order to own it and isolate it so it could be ridiculed. Take the JW's for example. They correctly do not celebrate pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter. They have therefore been bastardized and anyone who correctly turns away from these pagan traditions is ridiculed and put in the JW box.

Satan did the same with the Mormons and polygamy. Multiple wives and concubines were never taken away from man's rights under Yahuwah's Laws. Neither was divorce, nor Eye for an Eye. Sounds outrageous doesn't it?

It's all been corrupted and twisted, so much that righteousness sounds like wickedness and visa versa...

Shalom :)
 

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King David, so because you showed contradictions between the King James Version and the New International Version you decided that the New Testament itself is untrue?
That is like concluding 1+1= 11.
The books chosen for the Second Testament are dated at the very latest by the end of the first century AD. The King James Version was completed in 1611 AD.
 

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I understand what you are saying in regards to different denominations but I just can't align with your reasoning regarding the New Testament. The first time I read the Bible I started with Genesis and ended in Revelation. I see God in the entire book. And I'm not one of these guys who know the NT but not the OT.

To each their own but I would encourage you not to use such broad strokes when dismissing things on here. I fear a month from now not many will entertain your views if you are so dogmatic on here.

To clarify... it's fine to be dogmatic in your heart toward God and in your daily life but in every post of every thread it can get heavy.

Take care.
Did you know the word "dogmatic" was created to dissuade people from standing up for the truth? The truth is weighty and it hurts those with a prideful heart. That's one reason why this world is in the mess it's in; everyone has their own truth and those with the truth never stood up for it.

You'll thank me later...

Shalom :)
 

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I understand what you are saying in regards to different denominations but I just can't align with your reasoning regarding the New Testament. The first time I read the Bible I started with Genesis and ended in Revelation. I see God in the entire book. And I'm not one of these guys who know the NT but not the OT.

To each their own but I would encourage you not to use such broad strokes when dismissing things on here. I fear a month from now not many will entertain your views if you are so dogmatic on here.

To clarify... it's fine to be dogmatic in your heart toward God and in your daily life but in every post of every thread it can get heavy.

Take care.
Did you know the word "dogmatic" was created to dissuade people from standing up for the truth? Truth is weighty and it hurts those with a prideful heart. That's one reason why this world is in the mess it's in; everyone has their own truth and those with the truth never stood up for it.

You'll thank me later...

Shalom :)
 
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