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..Icke had 2 different forums, and I was banned from both of them, for complete bogus excuses.....its no surprise Icke is now pushing "hoax" narratives with Coronavirus.

I used to post in both Icke's forums but simply got bored with all that wacko "lizard" stuff and drifted away.
Incidentally me and Icke were born in the same hospital (him 4 years after me), and we both grew up in the Crown Hills area of Leicester (although we never met as far as I know).
Speaking of "crowns" he's certainly become King of the Conspiracy-Theorists.. :D
 
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"WHO, Lady Gaga and Global Citizen have announced a concert to air on Saturday, 18 April 2020 titled 'One World: Together at home'. This globally televised and streamed special will highlight unity among all people affected by COVID-19, celebrate the brave healthcare workers doing life-saving work, and raise funds for the response."

And so it begins...
 

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Some of us are perfectly capable of figuring things out on our own without the teacher schtick or parroting of MSM facts and figures.

I have not watched the Icke video, but to think censoring it is a good idea is much more frightening to me than anything he could say.
Indeed, sir.

Understanding this Fact, and not being afraid of it, is more important than any (false) Left / Right dichotomy Washington has to offer.
 

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"WHO, Lady Gaga and Global Citizen have announced a concert to air on Saturday, 18 April 2020 titled 'One World: Together at home'. This globally televised and streamed special will highlight unity among all people affected by COVID-19, celebrate the brave healthcare workers doing life-saving work, and raise funds for the response."

Naw. I’ll pass on the brain warshing
 

Maes17

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All this pulled up was reports of days where the cases were 33 more ... can you elaborate more what you think we should be looking for?
Possible elite reference.
33 free masonry type stuff.

Significant? Maybe. I’ll let you guys draw your conclusions and theories though. It’s a possibility but right now anything is

All I know is our politicians took advantage of this pandemic for their own personal interest. They left the people out to dry
 
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You said you got banned from the Icke forum for they had an ideology. What was that ideology? It would help me to understand some things.
David Icke doesn't so much have a core ideology, he does cover a wild variety of topics, many of which I agree. However it is my opinion that he is working along with the international Fascist network and their agenda for a number of reasons. There are a number of viewpoints that if you strongly oppose you will become persona non grata. A few of them

1. He is staunchly pro-Brexit and has never once to my knowledge brought up any of the plethora of elitist links to the Brexit movement, including a strong Zionist agenda behind Brexit. Icke is supposedly anti-Zionist, yet never once goes into the Zionist network behind Brexit. A little strange I find.

2. He flirts with white supremacists IMO, because he is very anti-immigration, anti- "political correctness" which IMO is just a front to want to push racist ideas, he also named Tucker Carlson, a "proper journalist" (that was when I had enough of Icke) There are plenty of white supremacists on his site, and though he never fully embraces their positions, he leads them on and never fully calls them out. You can tell a lot about a person, by the company that follows them IMO. You dont follow somebody unless you agree with them.

3. He does nothing but attack "liberals" and usually makes them out to be the problem. No different than Alex Jones, though not as bad, but still very biased. Never once has this great "researcher" ever delved into topics like the Council for National Policy. Why would he when he is pushing an asset of theirs Tucker Carlson as a "proper journalist" or if he is pushing many of their right wing talking points. He basically just pushes a lot of old school John Birch Society propaganda, same as Alex Jones. Of course the 2 are also friends and agree on many things, although Icke publicly is against Trump, but again pushes many of his talking points.

Basically Icke is on board with the far right wing agenda, obviously not as open about it as many other propagandists. When you point this out, or try to point out that there is far more to this conspiracy than "liberal globalists" pushing "political correctness" and "mass immigration" his followers and moderators cannot stand it, and find ways to silence you, or ultimately ban you. I was far from the only person this was done to.

So, you hate the US with a passion and lean left and likely want socialism. There is a large boat for you to share here with your take.
typical propagandist response. I point out the legitmate history of the US which you cannot refute, and that means I "hate the US"

Yes I do lean left, but I think aspects of socialism and capitalism would form the best type of economic system. I'm more left than Bernie Sanders. Sanders isn't a socialist as many claim. I like the mix on this forum, much closer to what the Icke forum was like when I first joined it, before it got overrun with fascists.

But you do not have to get nasty and start with the Trump stuff and assume because I question your take on the coronavirus that I am the enemy.
you mean like how you got nasty and accused me of "hating the US" for doing nothing but knowing history ? I wasn't aware I got nasty with you, but if it came across like that my apologies.

Do you live in the US and have an Antifa outfit, maybe? Kidding, sort of.... but I never understand how people who hate their country stay here. It does not matter who is the president, you would feel the same. Unless you are one of those who thinks Bernie can save the world and forgive your debt.
Nope, I'm Canadian. I never knew if you made legitimate criticisms of something, that meant you "hated it" Thats kind of a silly conclusion don't you think ? Did you wonder why Trump voters "stayed in America" when Obama was President ?
Are you talking about modern-day or history? Look, if this forum turns 110% anti US and blames them for every issue in the world then there would be a hive mind and that would be boring. Some here want that hive mind and their hatred for the US keeps them so preoccupied that they are missing other happenings. My opi. I am not into the US being the world police and there has been much less war of late. The US is not perfect but it is not the sole reason for the world's problems. There were plenty of more countries trying to dominate the world before the US gained its power.
ancient, modern, and current history. The US has not changed much to be honest. I dont like hive minds and yes I'm not into a forum where everybody agrees, that's the beauty of a forum is to discuss and debate with people who disagree. There was a guy on the Icke forum who I disagreed with greatly, yet we had some good times debating. Anyways I think you need to get over the "hate the US" label for people who are simply calling out facts. Facts are not hatefull. Just because I think the US is the biggest problem (nationwise at least) it doesn't mean they are the only problem. Of course other countries are up to no good, but its just a fact that no other country has been as bad overall for mankind since at least WW2, that is just a fact. And this is not an attack on the people, but the government and elite structure.

So, maybe some who are having their say want to tell me the solution to the US? What do you think should be done and if the US is out of the way are you so naive as to think other powers will not take their place?
Well we already took a major turn away from "what should be done" in having Joe Biden as the nomination for the Democrats.

and no Bernie Sanders is no saviour, and I still think he serves the elites, but he is far better than anything the US has ever had, and that would be a small step in the right direction, but thats all over now. So the US is gonna keep doing what the US does, and you can call whoever has eyes to see a "hater"[/QUOTE]
 

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In case anyone missed the latest VC article:


"Burry is not saying that people should immediately go back to sketchy bars and lick each other’s faces. He’s calling for a measured approach, one that allows healthy people to live normally and go to work while protecting those who are at risk. In short, he believes that the current remedy might be worse than the disease.

In
many ways, Michael Burry is the anti-Bill Gates. While Gates recently called for a mind-boggling 10-week national lockdown (and for microchipping those who get the upcoming vaccine), Burry calls for a quick end to the lockdown and the introduction of a more targeted approach. Although both Burry and Gates are very rich, there’s a major difference between them: Burry is an actual licensed physician with an M.D. from Vanderbilt University School of Medicine while Bill Gates is a college dropout with zero qualification in medicine. However, it is Bill Gates who the “authoritative figure” right now."

Huh.. sounds familar.

So...is Burry a murderous spawn of satan, or does he have a point?
the more targeted approach would have included testing people for coronavirus in February at least, and starting to work on containing a fewer number of cases.

because we didn’t have a test by February, there is no way our hospital system could have absorbed the number of cases we could have had in addition to the number of people that were already in the hospital without doing something more severe. In short we really acted too late and that is what caused the shelter in place.

you might want to place some blame on mainstream media for this. They were saying there was nothing to worry about. This was no different than the flu.

you can’t brush off this reality. we needed a test. We didn’t have one. But in one month, our official positive cases of recovered patients exceeds the number of deaths already. Those darn msm people making the numbers look so negative to create panic. What really happened is people were so impatient they became self proclaimed prophets chasing the wind. A targeted approach at this point includes treatment, containment, and more recovered cases. Apparently, the plasma treatments from recovered patients is very effective.

bill gates can say what he wants. He is not a doctor. He is not part of government. I don’t really know why anyone would take him seriously. In fact, I honestly think he would have had a better reception if this never escalated, but there are multiple treatments being developed simultaneously. Bill gates is a private sector non medical person with a lot of competition already.

so while many people here only seem to hear bill gates voice, cnn, or some random YouTube person, there are thousands of genuine people out there working very hard to look at this situation seriously in order to save lives and help get things back to normal as soon as possible. You have to listen very carefully because people like this don’t often come out bragging about this sort of thing. Everything is only as negative as you want it to be.
 
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Are you sure you are not from China? I see a lot of new members with a country in their crosshairs while overlooking the sins of other countries past and present. Some call that agenda posting. So the US is in on this 100% because it is your opinion? Do you think this is all about the US or do you buy into the PTB take and everyone in on a one-world government? Would you like a one-world government?
LOL I think its far more likely you are a Trump shill than me being from China. The Trump shills are in overdrive yelling CHINA, CHINA, CHINA, CHINA. ALL of them. Its got my spider senses tingling if you know what I mean.

I just call things as I see them objectively.

Yes the US is in on this 100% because they knew about this virus well before they let us know, and all their CEOs just happened to quit and many profited form insider trading, JUST LIKE 911, but lets not look into that. Lets just blame China like Trump and the Fox News clowns. Just checked Fox tonight and they are talking about making China pay the US. LOL the nerve of these criminal clowns. Trump was busy calling "hoax" and now they want to blame China. Is anybody so stupid to think that US intelligence was not aware of what was going on ? Oh it was China's fault.

You really think China would attack the US like that ? Like they even have the balls to go on the offensive like that. Again if they did somehow attack the US they did it along with the US, giving their elites the go ahead to dump the appropriate stocks and move their money around.

Most likely scenario is the US elites did this to further plenty of domestic and international agendas. Like I said earlier I'm considering many other governments, including China, are involved as well and they all working together.

But US being an innocent victim with no involvement, almost 0%.

Thats opinion based on facts, evidence and history.

Yours may be opinion based on feelings.
 
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General question for all: I think nobody can deny that the plan is, this will go on until there is a vaccine. That seems to be what media and government is saying, and what people themselves often say.

will you get the vaccine when it comes out?
What lengths are you willing to go to to avoid it if not?

of course they want mandatory vaccines, the elimination of cash, and the ability to control, track us and further spy on us, as well as limit travel and increase conflict and suspicion amongst people and nations.

But someone wants us to believe China did this and if you think the most likely culprit, with the most motive and capability to do it was the US, then you just "hate America"
 
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That is not how a normal country responds to a deadly infectious disease, no matter the source.

What’s more, it’s exactly how they responded less than 20 years ago (maybe before you were born?) when SARS hit them. They denied it until it became undeniable, by which time it was spreading to other countries. The only difference is that this time there will be many more dead.

China always covers these things up, because to act transparently would expose their limitations as a state, and it would set a dangerous precedent. So they cover up real numbers, silence anyone who tells the truth, and tell the world everything’s fine.

For me to even entertain the notion that anything you’re saying about China is true, I have to forget everything I already know to be true about them.

I know people who watched their friends get run over by tanks in Tiananmen Square by the same Chinese Communist Party you’re defending now. I know China is holding a million Muslims in concentration camps, and as I pointed out earlier, they are most likely taking full advantage of this crisis to slip some non-covid deaths into the incinerators.

It’s always been fashionable to bash the US, and it’s easy to find bad things to say about America, isn’t it? No one ever brings up the good things America has done in the world. Do you know what Deborah Birx did before she took on her current role? She ran the US effort to fight AIDS, which means the world’s effort to fight AIDS. The President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief was initiated by George W. Bush back around the time China was covering up their SARS outbreak, and since then, the US has contributed 80 BILLION dollars to the fight against AIDS. The US, through PEPFAR, is estimated to have saved almost 20 million lives, mostly in Africa. What the hell has China ever done for the world? Seriously.

The choice is between going with what I know about China, or believing your obvious and unbelievable Chicom propaganda. What do you think I’m going to pick?
Chicom propaganda ?

YOur use of the word Chicom tells me all I need to know about you.

China isn't Communist by the way, I hope you are not under that silly delusion.

China always covers these things up, because to act transparently would expose their limitations as a state

Yeah you are just proving my point with what you wrote above, thats what I said. If there is a cover up its to make it look like they have the situation under control, it doesn't point to them being the perpetrator. Remember "Baghdad Bob" saying things were ok and they had the situation under control, when the US was advancing on the capital. Same thing. What country is going to straight up say "we are failing" Of course they will put up a strong image.

So you think China infected itself with SARS ?

The US has been anti-China for over a hundred years. They are anti-anybody who gets to big to oppose their hegemony, they are even anti-EU and the right wing hawks in the country are behind the anti-EU pro-Brexit movement, along with Russia and Israel of course.

Oh and stop with this "its fashionable to attack the US" nonsense. Its not "fashionable" its just a fricking fact. You guys act as if the US has done nothing to warrant such negative attention. "fasionable" LOL
 

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The Bill and Melinda Gate Foundation co-hosted a pandemic exercise in late 2019 that simulated a global coronavirus outbreak. What's especially interesting is the Foundation's ties to the Pirbright Institute that filed for a patent for the life coronavirus back in 2015 and was approved in 2018.
I think I do remember reading something about this in the thread before. There was some talk about a patent.

Throughout this discussion, I have been reading a lot on the research after sars was contained. There have been a lot of people studying coronaviruses since then besides bill gates. So it is not unusual that bill gates does things like this. He is like a rich version of a diy biohacker, but I really think he gets too much attention.

what do you find interesting about the pirbright institute. I only looked at their site briefly.
 
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* Americans do not want war, the military industrial complex does, however.
I think its a little more complicated than that.

I think a lot of Americans are indifferent so long as it doesn't effect them directly.

If Americans "do not want war" they wouldn't come out to vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

There was a record low turnout, so yeah I thank a lot of Americans dont want war, but I wouldn't give the entire population as a whole that much credit.
 

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I think its a little more complicated than that.

I think a lot of Americans are indifferent so long as it doesn't effect them directly.

If Americans "do not want war" they wouldn't come out to vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

There was a record low turnout, so yeah I thank a lot of Americans dont want war, but I wouldn't give the entire population as a whole that much credit.
When asked to give an estimate of the proportion I said 2-3 out of 10 are warmongers of some sort
 

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You really like to hear yourself talk @vancityeagle and speak in an authoritarian manner. Since you judge some of us on one sentence, may I say this is all we need to know about you? Now, how'd that feel? You said can read people in a sentence saying that is all you need to know. Okay, then.

You claimed to be objective in your retort...ummm, yeah, I can see that clearly.
 
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War weariness is a little known reason that Trump won. While I don’t think he is sincere and do believe he’ll start one if given a second term, he did position himself to Clinton’s left on wars/interventions.
yes and no

He was to the right of Clinton on Iran and China

He was to the right of Clinton on torture and the "war on terror"

He was to the right of Clinton on Israel (biggest warmonger in the middle east)

He also asked why nukes could not be used "if we had them"

He said he was going to make "our army much stronger than it is" What kind of anti-interventionist says that ?

Trump was and is a psychopath. I dont believe the vast majority of people voted for him because they thought he was anti-war. They did so for other reasons. Anybody who thought Trump would be anti-war was a fool.

Thing is he was open and honest about what a psycho he was. Some people just didn't want to listen.
 

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Weird. Your post #3245 said you were ignoring me -

You: "Or you can alternatively ignore me. As I will be you going forward. If you can support her provocations of me prior to me calling her a cunt yet call me out for responding how I did there is no point in conversing with you at all."

So... what's up with that? If you are replying to me but don't hit the reply button, I will keep asking who you are responding to, so enjoy that.
Must have changed her mind...people seem to be doing that a lot around here lately..haha!
 
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