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If I’m being entirely honest.. I don’t think the virus was even necessarily created by anyone. Historically we face a plague every 100 years give or take. I’m not sure why we would think that would have miraculously stopped in 1918.

But I think the planning for how to manipulate things once the next one hit has been going on for a very very long time. And we are seeing that now, the extent of which will not be clear for quite some time.
 






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I never said it wasn’t orchestrated. I just said I don’t think it was orchestrated by any specific official government.

NWO as traditionally envisioned calls for open borders, international trade and travel. You call them “globalists” right

Right now I am seeing very loud calls for the opposite. From people on all sides of the spectrum.

I’m concerned the election will be canceled as well.

its the right wing that claims the NWO is for "open borders"

I've always claimed this is a falsehood, I've dedicated much of my research to destroying right wing lies and propaganda.

I think the NWO actually wants to LIMIT FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT, not the opposite. This "crisis" would seem to be supporting my beliefs.

And no I dont call the NWO "globalists" again this is another right wing propaganda talking point.

It's not that the NWO aren't globalists, its the way the right wing frames this narrative.

Globalism is international capitalism. All of the elites "right wing" "left wing" "centrist" are globalists. The right wing uses that term to mean exclusively "Liberal elites"
 






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its the right wing that claims the NWO is for "open borders"

I've always claimed this is a falsehood, I've dedicated much of my research to destroying right wing lies and propaganda.

I think the NWO actually wants to LIMIT FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT, not the opposite. This "crisis" would seem to be supporting my beliefs.

And no I dont call the NWO "globalists" again this is another right wing propaganda talking point.

It's not that the NWO aren't globalists, its the way the right wing frames this narrative.

Globalism is international capitalism. All of the elites "right wing" "left wing" "centrist" are globalists. The right wing uses that term to mean exclusively "Liberal elites"
Ok. Fair enough.

But how do the loud incessant calls for rolling back international trade/globalism fit in with your theory? Because it looks like this is going to be a massive boon to nationalism - whether good or bad idk - and the elite as we typically define/view them rely on international trade and economics to survive. Build low, sell high.

Plus there is a massive worker backlash (against the bosses) brewing here just under the surface if any one is paying a lick of attention to that.. idk.
 






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If I’m being entirely honest.. I don’t think the virus was even necessarily created by anyone. Historically we face a plague every 100 years give or take. I’m not sure why we would think that would have miraculously stopped in 1918.

But I think the planning for how to manipulate things once the next one hit has been going on for a very very long time. And we are seeing that now, the extent of which will not be clear for quite some time.
British elites handed small pox infected blankets to the Native Indians back in the 1700's. This is a historical fact.

During the bubonic plague (black death) armies catapaulted infected bodies into oppositon cities.

So these elites have been using disease as a weapon for a very long time. Doesn't necessarily mean they created those diseases back then, but they used them as a weapon.

Today they have the ability to create and manipulate diseases. They have bio weapons programs. Look up Fort Detrick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick

Many experts are claiming that there is no way this Coronavirus Covid-19 can be natural. It is manmade.

Again if this caught them off guard, I would like you to explain the mass insider trading and CEO resignations.

This was all orchestrated, that much I know.
 






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There is one hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence building up which suggests that it was created by somebody.

So I don’t watch video for a couple reasons..

1) propaganda is easier to convey in video/sound then print
2) claims are not easy to source or check
3) I don’t like it - I learn better reading then watching

And again, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m not ruling anything out - including naturally occurring plague right on target with how often the planet typically experiences one.

To entertain the idea someone created it you need Who What Where When Why

China seems the most likely culprit but I strongly believe the end result of this won’t be good for China.. so why would they tank themselves?
 






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YES definately a shadow government, just like 911.

If this was not an orchestrated plan, you are going to have to explain all of the CEO's quitting their jobs right before this, and all of the insider trading.

It is laughable to believe this "Corona false flag" caught any of these elites off guard. They knew what was going on back in 2019, way before this came to light.

How is the end goal opposite to the NWO ? This is the perfect plan for the elites.

- world wide martial law
- collapse of the current economic system, which includes a further consolidation of wealth into the hands of the few
- rollout of digital currencies, likely mandatory vaccinations, high tech surveillance systems
- suppression of community organizing against this via "social distancing"
- release of killer viruses and race specific weapons
- targeting of enemies of the empire (China, Iran, Italy (who joined China's one belt initiative), EU (USA has always wanted to destroy the EU)
- likely war with China (main opposition to the Anglo-American world order)
Absolutely. As you said this is a 9/11 replay. The War on Terror petered out and a new age is being commenced..

Another thought is the results of this orchestrated crisis won't happen all at once. We all have opinions about WW3, FEMA death-camps, the NWO, global authoritarianism, medical martial law, etc. but these operations don't have to kick in immediately. The vampire elite will be collecting data and slowly implementing their agenda.
 






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British elites handed small pox infected blankets to the Native Indians back in the 1700's. This is a historical fact.

During the bubonic plague (black death) armies catapaulted infected bodies into oppositon cities.

So these elites have been using disease as a weapon for a very long time. Doesn't necessarily mean they created those diseases back then, but they used them as a weapon.

Today they have the ability to create and manipulate diseases. They have bio weapons programs. Look up Fort Detrick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick

Many experts are claiming that there is no way this Coronavirus Covid-19 can be natural. It is manmade.

Again if this caught them off guard, I would like you to explain the mass insider trading and CEO resignations.

This was all orchestrated, that much I know.
The insider trading I’ve read about happened after this broke out in China and after they had been briefed about its possible consequences in America. Not prior to the virus surfacing. If there’s something other then this please direct me.

I agree it’s being used as a weapon. But what way it is pointing.. idk yet.
 






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I'm unsure as to what you are trying to ascertain here. Do we have to constantly go through the square root of a chicken type workings that you immerse yourself in.

All I'm saying is you don't have to do mad maths to work out bad people are in charge.

No offense.
you rather stay blind...to what is going on....as you wish....dont say i did not try warn you...
 






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Here’s China’s playbook:


Silence dissenting voices: The outbreak in Wuhan was first noticed by doctors working on the front lines. They tried to raise the alarm by sharing messages with friends on WeChat, messages that were shared on social media and went viral. But the police detained the doctors — some of whom subsequently died of coronavirus— and told them to stay quiet.

Block information: Once Hubei province had been put into lockdown, the Chinese government didn’t want any negative information getting out. To do this, it employed a range of tactics. One was making citizen journalists disappear after they began publishing videos from inside Wuhan exposing the sheer scale of the crisis. It also ramped up its censorship of social mediaplatforms significantly, meaning even the slightest reference to coronavirus or the government’s response was erased.

Spin up state-run media: As stories of overwhelmed hospitals and mounting death tolls spread around the world, Beijing spun up its massive media operations into full battle mode, with both its Chinese-language and English-language outlets running positive stories about the heroic work being done to counter the outbreak. The campaign included posts on social media, news reports, and articles written by state media journalists but quietly published in other outlets. Beijing is also leveraging deep media ties across Africa to promote its own agenda.

Spread disinformation: Earlier this month, Hua Chunying a spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China, posted a video on Twitter that showed Italians on lockdown clapping in unison and shouting "Thank you, China" as appreciation for the aid Beijing sent to the country. The only problem is that the video was fake, and the applause was in fact for the heroic work being done by Italian medical workers.

Promote conspiracy theories:Earlier this month, Chinese foreign ministry deputy spokesperson Zhao Lijian suggested on Twitter that the coronavirus was manufactured in a U.S. military lab and brought to Wuhan by the U.S. Army who sent 300 service personnel to the World Military Games that took place in the city in October. The unfounded claim was then given more oxygen by official Chinese state media.

Write a book: China has already produced a book on the coronavirus pandemic. “A Battle Against Epidemic: China Combating COVID-19 in 2020” is a compilation of articles from Chinese state media that recount the heroic leadership of President Xi Jinping and the vital role the Communist Party played in combating the virus outbreak. The book is being translated into English, French, Spanish, Russian, and Arabic, with more likely to follow.

Deploy a Twitter army: An investigation by ProPublica found a Twitter army directed by the Chinese government, consisting of fake and stolen accounts — that in the past was used to seed disinformation about the Hong Kong protests — have become “cheerleaders for the government, calling on citizens to unite in support of efforts to fight the epidemic and urging them to “dispel online rumors.”

Gin up more conspiracy theories:China’s state-run media last week suggested the virus may have originated in Italy, after Giuseppe Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan, told NPR that doctors there had noticed “very strange pneumonias” as early as November last year. Remuzzi clarified that all he meant was that it’s possible the virus had spread to Europe sooner than we thought, but the Chinese state media failed to mention those comments.

Start donating stuff: One of the key aspects of China’s efforts to change how the world views its role in the coronavirus outbreak is by sending donations of testing kits, masks and other essential supplies around the world. Leading this effort is Alibaba-founder Jack Ma, whose foundation has sent supplies to Iran, Europe, Africa, and even the U.S.

No conspiracy theory is too wild:China’s latest claims that a U.S. cyclist, who was part of the Military Games team, is coronavirus patient zero. It’s source for such a claim? A U.S. conspiracy theorist who is attempting to capitalize on the pandemic to boost his social media profile.
 






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Ok. Fair enough.

But how do the loud incessant calls for rolling back international trade/globalism fit in with your theory? Because it looks like this is going to be a massive boon to nationalism - whether good or bad idk - and the elite as we typically define/view them rely on international trade and economics to survive. Build low, sell high.

Plus there is a massive worker backlash (against the bosses) brewing here just under the surface if any one is paying a lick of attention to that.. idk.
I was basically kicked off the David Icke forums for opposing the standard orthodoxy that the "liberal elites" hated nationalism and wanted to push unlimited immigration. I was persona non grata for exposing the psuedo "nationalist" worldwide movement which claimed to be "anti-establishment"

The forum regulars claimed that this group I spoke about was not very influential and that we should all worry about "globalists"

I pointed out the "nationalism" was what lead to both World war 1 and 2 and that there was a major agenda to cause worldwide division ie psuedo "nationalism" and that this would lead to the "clash of civilizations" written about by elites like Samuel P Huntington (member of the AMerican Enterprise INstitute- Neocon outfit) and promoted by guys like Steve Bannon (CNP)

Well it is possible that all of this will lead to crackdowns on international trade and travel which is in line with these fake "nationalists", and this will lead to a global conflict over resources like Huntington wrote about in his "clash of civilizations" papers.

I always maintained that the NWO had 2 factions which can be described falsely as

1) Globalists
2) Nationalists

as I wrote earlier, I believe they are both really Globalists, but the so called Nationalists preferred a USA dominated globalism while the so called "globalists" preferred a multi polar globalism.

What we usually see is a battle between these 2 elite factions on the details of how to control the planet. They both agree on that agenda, they just disagree on how to get there.
 






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Yes, as I've stated earlier, it's deadly. However, as other doctors have stated, it depends on an individual's immune system. Therefore, it is those people who should be in quarantine. Self-isolating and keeping EVERYONE under house arrest is not a very effective solution.

Hope that clears things up.
well I do and I don’t because you and other keep saying that the msm is blowing this out of proportion. Personally, I think this opinion is somewhat imagined at this point. It seems to be the more of the expected approach of the msm and people are suggesting this almost as a preventative measure for when the msm starts ramping up the propaganda. Even if this hasn’t happened and might not ever happen.

however, the msm is not really exceeding anything that you are saying at this point. Of course, they have to support the social distancing thing, but I don’t see how supporting the social distancing thing is the same thing as blowing something deadly out of proportion.

and as far as only isolating people at risk when people are alternately saying this affects older people. That still means shutting businesses down and requires a severe degree of age discrimination to achieve considering the numbers that we have so far.

I work with many people who are older. Many people are still active and thriving in their 70’s and 80’s even if they have arthritis, high cholesterol and asthma since they were a child. The impression seems to be that old people are sickly and older people may be at risk, but these same people might not be sickly. And it would be unfortunate to target them or for them to rapidly fall ill to something like this.

considering the numbers that we have, the situation doesn’t become easier or even more ethical, if we merely suggest those we regularly consider high risk maintain social distance if no one else has to. That is a hard thing to achieve and enforce and if your numbers are low and never rise, the inconvenience right now is minimal really.
 






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So I don’t watch video for a couple reasons..

1) propaganda is easier to convey in video/sound then print
2) claims are not easy to source or check
3) I don’t like it - I learn better reading then watching

And again, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m not ruling anything out - including naturally occurring plague right on target with how often the planet typically experiences one.

To entertain the idea someone created it you need Who What Where When Why

China seems the most likely culprit but I strongly believe the end result of this won’t be good for China.. so why would they tank themselves?
The worldwide death figures which we are getting hit with daily would, if genuine, be considered collateral damage in a much much larger plot....a plot where human life has no value.

If the country that perpetrated this had no, or very few cases then they would kind of stick.out on a world map where this thing appears to be running rampant...if you believe the media that is.

I don't believe a word of it myself.
 






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Well.. I’m just going to sit here and hope the workers of the world learn how to be effective opportunists like everyone else and make the most of this crisis for themselves (don’t let it go to waste)
 






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All those medical supplies China is “donating” to countries like Italy? Most them are not donated, that’s Chinese propaganda. They are paid for, and they don’t work.



 






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well I do and I don’t because you and other keep saying that the msm is blowing this out of proportion. Personally, I think this opinion is somewhat imagined at this point. It seems to be the more of the expected approach of the msm and people are suggesting this almost as a preventative measure for when the msm starts ramping up the propaganda. Even if this hasn’t happened and might not ever happen.

however, the msm is not really exceeding anything that you are saying at this point. Of course, they have to support the social distancing thing, but I don’t see how supporting the social distancing thing is the same thing as blowing something deadly out of proportion.

and as far as only isolating people at risk when people are alternately saying this affects older people. That still means shutting businesses down and requires a severe degree of age discrimination to achieve considering the numbers that we have so far.

I work with many people who are older. Many people are still active and thriving in their 70’s and 80’s even if they have arthritis, high cholesterol and asthma since they were a child. The impression seems to be that old people are sickly and older people may be at risk, but these same people might not be sickly. And it would be unfortunate to target them or for them to rapidly fall ill to something like this.

considering the numbers that we have, the situation doesn’t become easier or even more ethical, if we merely suggest those we regularly consider high risk maintain social distance if no one else has to. That is a hard thing to achieve and enforce and if your numbers are low and never rise, the inconvenience right now is minimal really.
...provided that the "inconvenience" will be minimal. However, as it stands now and the current situation, that doesn't appear to be the case.

FWIW, my neighbourhood has MANY geriatrics and they seem to be doing just fine. Granted, I understand my situation isn't a take on the entire world, but they seem to be fine. I actually have to smile at one senior lady who I see regularly, using her grocery cart as a supportive device, walking the neighbourhood as I walk my dog. She waves and smiles at us and all of this doesn't seem to phase her one, single bit. Added to the fact, that I haven't seen or heard any fire trucks, ambulances, coroner's vans in my neighbourhood all while this has been transpiring. Unfortunately, it's somewhat of a natural occurrence, but lately, it's been rather slow. Also my dad is a senior (mid 80's) and he's also doing rather well and is waiting for the library in his neighbourhood to reopen so he can take one of their free computer classes. He and I discuss that we're fortunate that my mum passed away last year because we would've never been able to visit her if she was alive this year given what's happening now.

That said, again, the need for the GLOBAL ECONOMIC SHUTDOWN doesn't seem to make any sense with a virus that affects a particular group of people.
 






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