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I'm unsure as to what you are trying to ascertain here. Do we have to constantly go through the square root of a chicken type workings that you immerse yourself in.

All I'm saying is you don't have to do mad maths to work out bad people are in charge.

No offense.
seems like you never read the post......
 






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Hahaha good point. Yeah ever since i heard that the flu kills 600k per year and I've always carried on without a thought about it...People die this is a part of life. But you watch the news and it makes you feel like you are literally the one on the brink of death along with all those around you.

Yes I think inciting the generations against each other is a way to corrode natural order in which traditions, beliefs, wisdom of the ages is not passed down. It is another way to gain top down control, where the elites of different establishment have control over people's consciousness and not the people themselves. It destroys the bonds between people meaning they will never amalgamate as a collective against the elite which are alien to the people

I thought it was interesting, if you watch the Event 201 simulation from the Gates corporation, when the event broke out most of the talk, most of the discussion, was centered about how to control what people thought about the event. They discussed the internet, shutting down what they call fake news, and so forth for hours. That was the priority in this so called world health simulation
Ya, its easy to become paranoid if you read too much of the news and their spiel..but that’s what they do best.

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Put that cheque book down Bojo!!!!

Close those vault doors Mr Trumpa Lumpa!!!!

Stop building emergency hospitals right now!!!! (unless your going to need them for a future event obviously)

Stop selling us all out right now!!!!

Even your own propaganda is now starting to turn into evidence against you!!!!


So one of two things must have happened to put us in the position we are in today. With this virus having such a high transmission rate our communities are now being systematically shut down to avoid this virus "spreading out of control"

Scenario 1 is that all the auto immune compromised people got together in a big social gathering and transmitted the virus amongst themselves before heading g back to their local communities, going into hospital, then dying.

Scenario 2 is that the virus has been passed on to the auto immune compromised people by asymptomatic carriers who "have no symptoms" that were just carrying on with their normal lives before these restrictions came in. In this instance the majority of the population would be infected in a relatively short period of time as you couldn't differentiate between an infected person or uninfected person unless they had a test.

Which of these scenarios would you consider to be more likely?

Here in the UK we are now having daily announcements from politicians stood behind podiums with the words Save Our NHS Stay At Home.

According to Trump Bojo has been on the phone begging him for ventilators and Trump has got some extra to help us out. .... well fancy that!

I get a feeling our NHS will need saving by the USA soon. Just wait until our health workers start suing their employers for Health and Safety failings through inadequate provisions of PPE.

Then they can make it look like it was greedy employees who cost this country our free NHS.

Quite a neat little trick really.:rolleyes:
Hey and I don't even own a crystal ball. Can't believe I had to go back 18 pages to find this.

Anyway, it looks like the shake down is well and truly on.

 






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General recap of events.

JAN - FEB 6 ----------------------------
Democrats and MSM focus on their failed impeachment/coup.

JAN 31 ------------------------------
Trump administration declares CV a public health emergency and restricts/bans travel from China, and adds more countries as a precaution

"Today President Trump took decisive action to minimize the risk of novel coronavirus in the United States," said U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar at a White House press conference. The declaration of a public health emergency — which will become effective Sunday at 5 p.m. ET — enables the government to take temporary measures to contain the spread of the virus, which has been confirmed in seven people in the U.S." The action means that U.S. citizens who have been in China's Hubei Province in the past 14 days will be subject to 14 days of mandatory quarantine if they travel back to the United States.

Pelosi outraged over travel bans - says it's racist
Pelosi said Democrats would oppose the new policy in court and introduce the NO BAN Act to “prohibit religious discrimination in our immigration system and limit the President’s ability to impose such biased and bigoted restrictions.”


Joe Biden calls travel ban xenophobic
We should not "fall back on xenophobia. Labeling COVID-19 a 'foreign virus' does not display accountability for the misjudgments that have taken thus far by the Trump administration. Banning all travel from Europe or any other part of the world may slow it, but…it will not stop it,” Biden warned.

In January, Biden also criticized as xenophobic the administration’s travel ban to China as the outbreak began to worsen, although it was instrumental in preventing an outbreak in the United States much sooner.

“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia,” Biden said during an Iowa campaign event.



MSM and Democrats spin travel ban as racist

FEB 24 -------------------------------------
Pelosi denies severity of CV, congregating is safe

As Pelosi walked to Dim Sum Corner for lunch, she hugged friends and waved to onlookers. While she understands that people are concerned about China, she said, “that shouldn’t be carried over to Chinatown in San Francisco … All I can say is I’m here. We feel safe and sound.”


MAR 16 --------------------------------
Trump calls for lock downs as needed, social distancing, remains flexible


Trump, speaking to reporters in the White House briefing room, also said his administration may look at lockdowns for “certain areas” or “hot spots” in the nation. But the president said he wasn’t considering a full national lockdown. “At this moment, no, we’re not,” Trump said.

Asked when the U.S. might expect to turn a corner in its efforts to rein in the virus, Trump said that “If we do a really good job, we’ll not only hold the death down to a level that is much lower than the other way, had we not done a good job, but people are talking about July, August, something like that.”


MAR 29 --------------------------------
After doing everything possible to oppose the Trump administration's positive early actions, Pelosi, democrats, and MSM NOW claim Trump was in denial about the severity:

“The president’s denial at the beginning was deadly,” the House speaker told CNN’s State of the Union. “His delay in getting equipment to where it’s needed is deadly … As the president fiddles, people are dying.”

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This is a worldwide major crisis in which EVERY COUNTRY is struggling with the unknown and they are learning from each other as they go. The Trump administration has evolved and adjusted with the worsening situation and taken positive actions to slow the spread. Were mistakes made? YES. Should we analyze government response to improve for the next time? YES. Overall, though, the actions taken were correct and other countries have followed suit.
 






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More on the anti-China propaganda

this is to document what appears to me to be the entire Right Wing Propaganda network intent on starting war with China

from Wikipedia conspiracy theories about Corona. I want to note that they are attacking both ideas that the virus is a "chinese bio weapon" and an "american bioweapon"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic

1. Jan 24, Washington Times: Coronavirus is part of a Chinese bio weapons program based in Wuhan Institute of Virology. Now I believe the WIV is what many have claimed was a "bioweapons lab" based in Wuhan, and claimed was the origin of the virus. Apparently the WIV is not a bioweapons lab but a research facility. Washington Times is a newspaper that was founded by Council for National Policy member and mega funder Reverand Sung Moon of the Mooney cult. Washington Times features many CNP operatives as journalists and pushes pro-Trump/ CNP narratives and propaganda.

2. Jan 29, Zero Hedge: a scientist at Wuhan Institute of Virology created Covid-19. Zero Hedge doxxed this scientist. ZH I have found to be a website that pushes plenty of pro-Trump disinformation, while at the same time also being critical of Trump at certain times in an attempt to appear objective. Overall they are there to support Trump narratives IMO.

3. Feb, Tom Cotton: Corona virus is a Chinese bio weapon. Cotton is a Republican senator, who has one of the most hawkish foreign policies. He is extremely anti Iran and anti China. Later in March said he would "Hold CHina accountable for what they had done"

4. Rush Limbaugh: Coronavirus is a "chi-com" bioweapon, used to bring down Donald Trump. Limbaugh is also supposedly a member of the Council for National Policy, but he is for sure a rabid Trump supporter and a part of the right wing propaganda network.

5. Josh Bernstein: Democratic party and "medical deep state" working with China to release Corona and take down Trump. Bernstein is a right wing talk show host, and contributor to Breitbart News and Newsmax (both run by CNP)

6. Jerry Falwell Jr: China and North Korea created corona virus, Democrats using situation to bring down Trump. Falwell of course the son of Falwell Sr. Council for National Policy member, and Trump sycophant.

7. Tim Pool: China is intentionally trying to kill people around the world with Coronavirus. Tim Pool is a youtube fraud who claims to be a "liberal" yet does nothing but push pro-Trump propaganda.

8. Donald Trump: virus is the "china" virus, it originated in China. Despite many so called experts claiming the virus originated in China, the head of the CDC admitted that many Americans who died of the flu in late 2019 have tested positive for Corona, despite evidence the virus has been around longer than claimed, and despite different strains and different origins outside of China.

9. Alex Jones: virus is a Chinese bio weapon and along with the "deep state" they want to bring down Trump. AJ of course a long time CNP and Zionist shill, and pro-Trump propagandist.

10. Tucker Carlson: World Health Organization is sucking up to China. Coronavirus likely came from research facilities in Wuhan according to Chinese paper. TC of course another Trump propagandist and his website Daily Caller is funded by CNP member Foster Freiss.

11. Mike Adams: China released virus as bio weapon to target the US. Adams has been a long Trump propagandist and has always pushed far right wing narratives.

12. Mike Pompeo: virus originated in China. China, Iran, Russia engaged in disinfo campaign to blame us. MP is the hawkish secretary of state under Trump with a clear anti- China and anti-Iran agenda.

13. Gateway Pundit: MSM and Hillary Clinton pushing Chinese communist propaganda to attack Trump. Gateway Pundit is a pro-zionist, pro-Trump propaganda outfit.

14. Epoch Times: calls Coronavirus "the Communist Chinese Virus" whenever referring to Covid-19, on their entire site. Epoch times is an anti-China, pro-Trump media, which was started by Falun Gong Chinese who are anti-Chinese government.

15. Steve Bannon: China is responsible for virus. He also defended senator Cotton's claim that it was a Chinese bio weapon. Bannon a CNP member, and pro-Trump propagandist has pushed the anti-China agenda for a while, even defending the Uhguyr muslims against China, even though he has lead the "war on islam" (except when the muslims are against China of course) He started this website in response to the "china virus"

https://pandemic.warroom.org/

For those with eyes to see they are clearly trying to condition people for war with China. It is the same right wing network that has been targeting China aggressively since Trump was elected.
 






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It was refreshing listening to this scientist as he seemed to be echoing what doctors who aren’t on MSM have noted about the virus. I found his responses to the excellent questions very well-balanced and informed based on what he considered “unbiased data”. Dr. Ioannidis even gave the WHO the benefit of the doubt, which was somewhat of a surprise to me, although, I understood his rationale.

Dr. Ioannidis stated that there should be more unbiased data available within two to three weeks so we’ll see what happens then as this interview took place on March 26th. However, since there seems to be rumours of this “pandemic” lasting 18 weeks, it’s my assumption that there will be obvious fallout from the economic (and social) lockdown such as another recession, and perhaps (hopefully not) a depression in some corners of the world, and when people realize their livelihoods have been severely and adversely affected by it, governments will blame it on the “virus”.
im very confused by this comment and others about the msm saying this is deadly. If anything, the msm has been echoing what you are saying here.

this is from February, but it is a major news network saying that there is nothing more significant about coronavirus than the flu.

“This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.”

It is old but it includes the flu numbers for comparison as a way of justifying completely minimizing the coronavirus. I am still at a loss to find these msm articles that are blowing this out of proportion unnecessarily.

for comparison, you know that we have about 200,000 cases of coronavirus in the us and over 4000 deaths right?

im sorry, but I don’t need a doctor or a news report to understand what these numbers mean in comparison to the numbers given for the flu.

all I need are accurate numbers. These studies by non msm doctors that are forming conclusions are using China’s data. I think chinas data is minimizing something more serious.

we won’t have real numbers for coronavirus until the season ends. So I still don’t think people should panic over this. There could end up being more recovered patients by then. Although at the moment 10,000 deaths to 19 million cases of flu is a little less concerning that 200,000 cases to 4,000 deaths.

we already could have the same number of death before we would reach a million cases. That is something to be a little more concerned about.

As of right now, the msm seems to be reporting this the same way a cigarette company acknowledges that their product is bad for you. so I would be careful with these reports minimizing this thing. That was the way the msm was reporting this. This is the msm original message that really only seems to have changed by a degree.


 






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More on the anti-China propaganda

this is to document what appears to me to be the entire Right Wing Propaganda network intent on starting war with China

from Wikipedia conspiracy theories about Corona. I want to note that they are attacking both ideas that the virus is a "chinese bio weapon" and an "american bioweapon"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic

1. Jan 24, Washington Times: Coronavirus is part of a Chinese bio weapons program based in Wuhan Institute of Virology. Now I believe the WIV is what many have claimed was a "bioweapons lab" based in Wuhan, and claimed was the origin of the virus. Apparently the WIV is not a bioweapons lab but a research facility. Washington Times is a newspaper that was founded by Council for National Policy member and mega funder Reverand Sung Moon of the Mooney cult. Washington Times features many CNP operatives as journalists and pushes pro-Trump/ CNP narratives and propaganda.

2. Jan 29, Zero Hedge: a scientist at Wuhan Institute of Virology created Covid-19. Zero Hedge doxxed this scientist. ZH I have found to be a website that pushes plenty of pro-Trump disinformation, while at the same time also being critical of Trump at certain times in an attempt to appear objective. Overall they are there to support Trump narratives IMO.

3. Feb, Tom Cotton: Corona virus is a Chinese bio weapon. Cotton is a Republican senator, who has one of the most hawkish foreign policies. He is extremely anti Iran and anti China. Later in March said he would "Hold CHina accountable for what they had done"

4. Rush Limbaugh: Coronavirus is a "chi-com" bioweapon, used to bring down Donald Trump. Limbaugh is also supposedly a member of the Council for National Policy, but he is for sure a rabid Trump supporter and a part of the right wing propaganda network.

5. Josh Bernstein: Democratic party and "medical deep state" working with China to release Corona and take down Trump. Bernstein is a right wing talk show host, and contributor to Breitbart News and Newsmax (both run by CNP)

6. Jerry Falwell Jr: China and North Korea created corona virus, Democrats using situation to bring down Trump. Falwell of course the son of Falwell Sr. Council for National Policy member, and Trump sycophant.

7. Tim Pool: China is intentionally trying to kill people around the world with Coronavirus. Tim Pool is a youtube fraud who claims to be a "liberal" yet does nothing but push pro-Trump propaganda.

8. Donald Trump: virus is the "china" virus, it originated in China. Despite many so called experts claiming the virus originated in China, the head of the CDC admitted that many Americans who died of the flu in late 2019 have tested positive for Corona, despite evidence the virus has been around longer than claimed, and despite different strains and different origins outside of China.

9. Alex Jones: virus is a Chinese bio weapon and along with the "deep state" they want to bring down Trump. AJ of course a long time CNP and Zionist shill, and pro-Trump propagandist.

10. Tucker Carlson: World Health Organization is sucking up to China. Coronavirus likely came from research facilities in Wuhan according to Chinese paper. TC of course another Trump propagandist and his website Daily Caller is funded by CNP member Foster Freiss.

11. Mike Adams: China released virus as bio weapon to target the US. Adams has been a long Trump propagandist and has always pushed far right wing narratives.

12. Mike Pompeo: virus originated in China. China, Iran, Russia engaged in disinfo campaign to blame us. MP is the hawkish secretary of state under Trump with a clear anti- China and anti-Iran agenda.

13. Gateway Pundit: MSM and Hillary Clinton pushing Chinese communist propaganda to attack Trump. Gateway Pundit is a pro-zionist, pro-Trump propaganda outfit.

14. Epoch Times: calls Coronavirus "the Communist Chinese Virus" whenever referring to Covid-19, on their entire site. Epoch times is an anti-China, pro-Trump media, which was started by Falun Gong Chinese who are anti-Chinese government.

For those with eyes to see they are clearly trying to condition people for war with China. It is the same right wing network that has been targeting China aggressively since Trump was elected.
holy shit, so all of this for a war with china? i knew america planted the bio weapon to china, i thought its because they wanted to depopulate because china is the most largest population of the world, but wtf, they did all this just to be in war with china? or am i missing the point here? english isnt my first language so i dont really understand.

and i respect the amount of effort you put into your research, wish i have your dedication :)
 






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holy shit, so all of this for a war with china? i knew america planted the bio weapon to china, i thought its because they wanted to depopulate because china is the most largest population of the world, but wtf, they did all this just to be in war with china? or am i missing the point here? english isnt my first language so i dont really understand.

and i respect the amount of effort you put into your research, wish i have your dedication :)
I believe there are many agendas at play here.

Yes I believe this Covid-19 is a bio weapon created in the USA and targeting China, Iran, and then the EU, but it is also targeting the AMerican public, and the world public in order to set up MARTIAL LAW, and a world wide lockdown.

Yes one of the major agendas is war with China.

As 911 blamed "Islam" and started the "war on terror/islam"

this new 911 the CoronaVirus false flag will blame "China" and start a war on China.

both 911 and the Corona false flag also help implement more authoritarian measures of control and loss of freedoms.
 






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I do not think this was a government orchestrated plan from any government tbh.. maybe like the shadow government or a third party group.

But if you look at the calls going out - closing borders (even interstate), a revert to national manufacturing capabilities, focus on the role international travel and the wealthy and business interests played in spreading his..

The end goal seems the opposite of NWO to me.
 






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If China’s not to blame, why did they try to cover it up?

Trump and his minions are the ones claiming this. Now actually there may be truth to this, but this is not evidence that they are responsible. There are plenty of reasons to cover up the number of deaths.

1. Not to create fear and panic amongst their population.
2. Not to show weakness to their enemies.
3. To show to both domestic and international audiences that they are in CONTROL.
 






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When this was still kicking off in China and there was only a handful of isolated cases the actions of the Trump administration indicate that a pandemic was desired. Such as allowing known infected patients to fly back to the US with non-infected passengers. This whole thing is a power grab in disguise and a way to target political enemies by denying needed supplies and aid to blue states, it’s a de facto civil war being waged right now.
So I agree with you about the MONEY grabbing of corporations and certaingroups, as well as the way supplies are being distributed and what that could lead to.

However. The whole globe is going through this right now. The whole entire world. Looking at a global problem through a narrow lens like that (USA!!!) is not going to help figure this out, imo.
 






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im very confused by this comment and others about the msm saying this is deadly. If anything, the msm has been echoing what you are saying here.

this is from February, but it is a major news network saying that there is nothing more significant about coronavirus than the flu.

“This flu season alone has sickened at least 19 million across the U.S. and led to 10,000 deaths and 180,000 hospitalizations.”

It is old but it includes the flu numbers for comparison as a way of justifying completely minimizing the coronavirus. I am still at a loss to find these msm articles that are blowing this out of proportion unnecessarily.

for comparison, you know that we have about 200,000 cases of coronavirus in the us and over 4000 deaths right?

im sorry, but I don’t need a doctor or a news report to understand what these numbers mean in comparison to the numbers given for the flu.

all I need are accurate numbers. These studies by non msm doctors that are forming conclusions are using China’s data. I think chinas data is minimizing something more serious.

we won’t have real numbers for coronavirus until the season ends. So I still don’t think people should panic over this. There could end up being more recovered patients by then. Although at the moment 10,000 deaths to 19 million cases of flu is a little less concerning that 200,000 cases to 4,000 deaths.

we already could have the same number of death before we would reach a million cases. That is something to be a little more concerned about.

As of right now, the msm seems to be reporting this the same way a cigarette company acknowledges that their product is bad for you. so I would be careful with these reports minimizing this thing. That was the way the msm was reporting this. This is the msm original message that really only seems to have changed by a degree.


Yes, as I've stated earlier, it's deadly. However, as other doctors have stated, it depends on an individual's immune system. Therefore, it is those people who should be in quarantine. Self-isolating and keeping EVERYONE under house arrest is not a very effective solution.

Hope that clears things up.
 






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I do not think this was a government orchestrated plan from any government tbh.. maybe like the shadow government or a third party group.

But if you look at the calls going out - closing borders (even interstate), a revert to national manufacturing capabilities, focus on the role international travel and the wealthy and business interests played in spreading his..

The end goal seems the opposite of NWO to me.
YES definately a shadow government, just like 911.

If this was not an orchestrated plan, you are going to have to explain all of the CEO's quitting their jobs right before this, and all of the insider trading.

It is laughable to believe this "Corona false flag" caught any of these elites off guard. They knew what was going on back in 2019, way before this came to light.

How is the end goal opposite to the NWO ? This is the perfect plan for the elites.

- world wide martial law
- collapse of the current economic system, which includes a further consolidation of wealth into the hands of the few
- rollout of digital currencies, likely mandatory vaccinations, high tech surveillance systems
- suppression of community organizing against this via "social distancing"
- release of killer viruses and race specific weapons
- targeting of enemies of the empire (China, Iran, Italy (who joined China's one belt initiative), EU (USA has always wanted to destroy the EU)
- likely war with China (main opposition to the Anglo-American world order)
 






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If China’s not to blame, why did they try to cover it up?
Yup.



 






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So I agree with you about the MONEY grabbing of corporations and certaingroups, as well as the way supplies are being distributed and what that could lead to.

However. The whole globe is going through this right now. The whole entire world. Looking at a global problem through a narrow lens like that (USA!!!) is not going to help figure this out, imo.
of course looking at this only from an American context is ignorant

but there is a worldwide agenda to turn the globe into a fascist, totalitarian nightmare.

I must confess that I am torn between the idea of all of these nations working together to achieve this, or if certain nations are still trying to be subdued by others. There seems to be evidence backing both ideas.

It is all very confusing to be honest.
 






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YES definately a shadow government, just like 911.

If this was not an orchestrated plan, you are going to have to explain all of the CEO's quitting their jobs right before this, and all of the insider trading.

It is laughable to believe this "Corona false flag" caught any of these elites off guard. They knew what was going on back in 2019, way before this came to light.

How is the end goal opposite to the NWO ? This is the perfect plan for the elites.

- world wide martial law
- collapse of the current economic system, which includes a further consolidation of wealth into the hands of the few
- rollout of digital currencies, likely mandatory vaccinations, high tech surveillance systems
- suppression of community organizing against this via "social distancing"
- release of killer viruses and race specific weapons
- targeting of enemies of the empire (China, Iran, Italy (who joined China's one belt initiative), EU (USA has always wanted to destroy the EU)
- likely war with China (main opposition to the Anglo-American world order)
I never said it wasn’t orchestrated. I just said I don’t think it was orchestrated by any specific official government.

NWO as traditionally envisioned calls for open borders, international trade and travel. You call them “globalists” right

Right now I am seeing very loud calls for the opposite. From people on all sides of the spectrum.

I’m concerned the election will be canceled as well.
 






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Well it definitely weakens the western powers and it likely signals the end of the US as the sole super power. We’re basically crippled and we’re going to get hit the worst which WILL lead to an attempt to cancel the elections and an authoritarian power grab by Trump and his Christian fundamentalist allies, likely leading to civil strife led by “patriot” militias.


You know which country is not very affected by this? Russia.
well Russia is just now starting to be effected. They are now beginning lockdown measures and supposedly the head doctor in Moscow has been infected.

I think we wont see how this fully plays out for a while, so now we are all speculating, but clearly a MAJOR agenda is in the works. I think this is actually much bigger than 911. The changes that will result from this false flag will make what happened post 911 look like a picnic.
 






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Trump and his minions are the ones claiming this. Now actually there may be truth to this, but this is not evidence that they are responsible. There are plenty of reasons to cover up the number of deaths.

1. Not to create fear and panic amongst their population.
2. Not to show weakness to their enemies.
3. To show to both domestic and international audiences that they are in CONTROL.
China insisted there was no virus, when there was. Even while doctors were getting sick, speaking out, and then being disappeared, China was saying there was nothing to worry about. People were dropping in the streets, the hospitals were overwhelmed, and China was all, “Nope. No problems here.”

And they continue to lie. They are claiming that they’re over the hump, but they closed theatres again after they opened them. They’ve expelled foreign journalists, closed the borders, and continued to pretend there’s nothing to worry about.

And if you think that they aren’t using the coronavirus as a cover to take care of their little Uighur problem, you don’t know China.
 






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