Confederate Soldier Statues...

polymoog

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And obviously you're very more than likely a white person from what you're posting here and so you can just conveniently ignore the racism that exists in the world. Other people don't have that privilege. Especially minorities in the South.
so its my white privilege that makes me want to keep historical monuments that are racist. got it.
 






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Statues aren't for information or learning, they're for commemoration.
Hitler and his actions shouldn't be honored.
"monuments are RECORDS of events. how you feel about them is totally subjective." which part of this do you not understand?

statues are not for learning? better start erasing all of those engravings of dates and details of the event. we cant have someone learn something!!
 






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"monuments are RECORDS of events. how you feel about them is totally subjective." which part of this do you not understand?

statues are not for learning? better start erasing all of those engravings of dates and details of the event. we cant have someone learn something!!
History is preserved in books. The statues don't actually tell you the story. There's only so much you can say in a four-sentence inscription.
 






williejonesjr

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I knew an artist who made sculptures. He would typically be paid half a million dollars and they usually take a year.
 






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monuments are RECORDS of events
No, not really. And we are talking about statues not monuments. Statues are pieces of stone made in a person's image. The only reason for someone to make a huge statue of a person is to honor them. And hitler and the confederate leaders don't deserve it.
 






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No, not really. And we are talking about statues not monuments. Statues are pieces of stone made in a person's image. The only reason for someone to make a huge statue of a person is to honor them. And hitler and the confederate leaders don't deserve it.

confederate leaders dont deserve historical recognition or because they are "racist"?
we can keep the george washington and jefferson monuments up, right, or are they to be taken down for racism too? we can also ban the state song of florida since it mentions the word "plantation" in it and thats racist, we have already removed the dukes of hazzard from tv because they show a confederate flag.... and how about GWTW? ban it all, right? someone could get offended about the past.

 






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OK, fine. Memorial. Wouldn't that still need to be on public ground?
Idk... it doesn't matter to me, I don't see a problem with it. If the majority doesn't care then they could put it on public grounds, if people don't want it there then maybe they could put it somewhere else.
 






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Idk... it doesn't matter to me, I don't see a problem with it. If the majority doesn't care then they could put it on public grounds, if people don't want it there then maybe they could put it somewhere else.
I think it would be problematic for people to view it if it's not on public property.
 






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It would be extraordinarily naive to even consider the possibility that a family as ambitious, as cunning and as monopolistically minded as the Rothschilds could resist the temptation of becoming heavily involved on the American front.
Following their conquest of Europe early in the 1800s, the Rothschilds cast their covetous eyes on the most precious gem of them all -- the United States.
America was unique in modern history. It was only the second nation in history that had ever been formed with the Bible as its law book. Its uniquely magnificent Constitution was specifically designed to limit the power of government and to keep its citizens free and prosperous. Its citizens were basically industrious immigrants who 'yearned to breath free' and who asked nothing more than to be given the opportunity to live and work in such a wonderfully stimulating environment.
The results -- the 'fruit' -- of such a unique experiment were so indescribably brilliant that America became a legend around the globe. Many millions across the far flung continents of the world viewed America the Beautiful as the promised land.
The Big Bankers in Europe -- the Rothschilds and their cohorts -- viewed the wonderful results borne by this unique experiment from an entirely different perspective; they looked upon it as a major threat to their future plans.
The establishment Times of London stated: "If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."
The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent."
The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers. The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers). In 1836 the bank went out of business.
PLAN OF DESTRUCTION
In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome.
The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries.
Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date.
In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed.
CZAR ALEXANDER II
In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for assistance. When the envelope containing Lincoln's urgent appeal was given to Czar Alexander II, he weighed it unopened in his hand and stated: "Before we open this paper or know its contents, we grant any request it may contain."
Unannounced, a Russian fleet under Admiral Liviski, steamed into New York harbor on September 24, 1863, and anchored there, The Russian Pacific fleet, under Admiral Popov, arrived in San Francisco on October 12. Of this Russian act, Gideon Wells said: "They arrived at the high tide of the Confederacy and the low tide of the North, causing England and France to hesitate long enough to turn the tide for the North" (Empire of "The City," p. 90).
History reveals that the Rothschilds were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War.
Lincoln put a damper on their activities when, in 1862 and 1863, he refused to pay the exorbitant rates of interest demanded by the Rothschilds and issued constitutionally-authorized, interest free United States notes.
For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia.

source:http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm
 






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It would be extraordinarily naive to even consider the possibility that a family as ambitious, as cunning and as monopolistically minded as the Rothschilds could resist the temptation of becoming heavily involved on the American front.
Following their conquest of Europe early in the 1800s, the Rothschilds cast their covetous eyes on the most precious gem of them all -- the United States.
America was unique in modern history. It was only the second nation in history that had ever been formed with the Bible as its law book. Its uniquely magnificent Constitution was specifically designed to limit the power of government and to keep its citizens free and prosperous. Its citizens were basically industrious immigrants who 'yearned to breath free' and who asked nothing more than to be given the opportunity to live and work in such a wonderfully stimulating environment.
The results -- the 'fruit' -- of such a unique experiment were so indescribably brilliant that America became a legend around the globe. Many millions across the far flung continents of the world viewed America the Beautiful as the promised land.
The Big Bankers in Europe -- the Rothschilds and their cohorts -- viewed the wonderful results borne by this unique experiment from an entirely different perspective; they looked upon it as a major threat to their future plans.
The establishment Times of London stated: "If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."
The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent."
The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers. The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers). In 1836 the bank went out of business.
PLAN OF DESTRUCTION
In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome.
The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries.
Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date.
In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed.
CZAR ALEXANDER II
In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for assistance. When the envelope containing Lincoln's urgent appeal was given to Czar Alexander II, he weighed it unopened in his hand and stated: "Before we open this paper or know its contents, we grant any request it may contain."
Unannounced, a Russian fleet under Admiral Liviski, steamed into New York harbor on September 24, 1863, and anchored there, The Russian Pacific fleet, under Admiral Popov, arrived in San Francisco on October 12. Of this Russian act, Gideon Wells said: "They arrived at the high tide of the Confederacy and the low tide of the North, causing England and France to hesitate long enough to turn the tide for the North" (Empire of "The City," p. 90).
History reveals that the Rothschilds were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War.
Lincoln put a damper on their activities when, in 1862 and 1863, he refused to pay the exorbitant rates of interest demanded by the Rothschilds and issued constitutionally-authorized, interest free United States notes.
For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia.

source:http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm
Thanks for this!
 






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how about removing george washingtons statues? wasnt he a slave owner? isnt that your logic?
No that isn't my logic at all. The Confederate states rebelled specifically to preserve the institution of slavery. This was an immoral decision that should be viewed with shame and disdain, there should be no veneration of those who fought to preserve such a repugnant institution. Putting up a monument is a form of veneration. And don't trout out the tired old "states rights: argument. The right that was being fought over was the right to own slaves.
 






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Of course logically speaking, TRAITORS shouldnt be memorialized. And thats exactly what the Confederate flags, states, generals etc... represent. Turncoats. Why should America memorialize traitors because its "part of their history"?

As far as the civil war, I think it was about banking more than slavery. Andrew Jackson killed what was the Federal reserve at the time and here was the quote/threat from the chairman of the bank at the time.

"Nothing but widespread suffering will produce any effect on Congress... Our only safety is in pursuing a steady course of firm restriction - and I have no doubt that such a course will ultimately lead to restoration of the currency and the re-charter of the bank." Nicholas Biddle

Of course this was decades before the actual civil war, but displays the leadup to the civil war. People have to understand that history as taught in the public is taught in NARRATIVES and not in truth of what actually happened. For instance why is the Morocco flag flew in America?


Then theres the moors sundry act of 1790

The Moors Sundry Act of 1790 is the name given in the 20th and 21st century to a 1790 advisory resolution passed by South Carolina House of Representatives, clarifying the status of free subjects of the Sultan of Morocco, Mohammed ben Abdallah. The resolution offered the opinion that free citizens of Morocco were not subject to laws governing blacksand slaves.
In fact Mohammed Abdullah and the country of Morocco was the first country to recognize America's independence. Not more than 2 years after America announced its independence. This is off topic but just to exemplify that what actually happened isnt always taught and is instead covered with narratives. They do this because controlling how people view the past has a direct effect on how they view themselves/others in the present. Slavery was a side issue (the North got rid of it because it was an advantage the South had over the north) and not the main issue the war was fought over...
 






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Many of the generals who directed the action on the
battlefields of the Civil War, on both sides, were Freemasons. Lending weight to the argument that it was all planned.



Confederate general Albert Pike





Union Generals: George McClellan and William Sherman

And everyone else in between...
 






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