"Concentration camps-like" migrant youth shelters in the US have taken over 10,000 children.

TempestOfTempo

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And one more thing, every single person who is incarcerated for crossing the border illegally is being held because they choose to subject themselves to that instead of returning to the country they came from. No one is being held against their will. You would think that would deflate the concentration camp narrative immediately, but I imagine we'll get at least another ten or twelve pages out of this.
"No one is being held against their will."
Yet another complete lie from you.
 

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Yes, if the Jews were illegals and the Nazis let them to go back to their home countries as an alternative to being locked up.

You're allowing yourself to be whipped into a frenzy by the media and the liberal elite. Think about that.
Again, you found a way to interject your favorite topic, Zionism and Jewish guilt-trips, into a place where it was completely irrelevant. Another pitiful attempt at distraction via hijacking a thread with your army of hollow strawmen........
 

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That quote was from a Lutheran pastor you simpering simpleton. I suppose you now have your excuse for your usual strawman distraction..... so what? Your arguments are those of a morally compromised numbskull. Make sure you respond to the rest of the posts calling you and your fallacies out as well you dimwitted dunderhead.
 
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According to the border patrol, more than 80 percent of the children being held are unaccompanied. That means they were separated from their parents a long time before they came into US custody. The image of thousands of screaming children being torn from the hands of their mothers by jackbooted border patrol Nazis isn't an accurate one.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, since May 1, over 2300 children have been separated from their parents at the southern border. That is way too many children being forcibly taken from their parents. I don't understand how you can defend this policy, even Trump has backed off of it.
 

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Here's a quote and the link to a statement and press conference by Kristjen Neilsen from the DHS. All should read this for understanding on this issue.

"The vast majority, vast, vast majority of children who are in the care of H.H.S. right now — 10,000 of the 12,000 — were sent here alone by their parents. That is when they were separated. So somehow we’ve conflated everything. But there is two separate issues. 10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers to undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone. We now care for them."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/us/politics/dhs-kirstjen-nielsen-families-separated-border-transcript.html
Because the public shill for this program gets up and spouts some gibberish, you feel that gives you the right to come here and use her unprovable and unsourced comments as FACTUAL PROOF OF YOUR POSITIONS? Your posts are a joke and this place would be much better off without your presence here.
 

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I did not defend the policy. I do believe the US has a right and responsibility to defend it's borders, and I was, as I said, trying to have a conversation about it.
If you consider spouting off a pack of outright lies (again) in defense of this (another) indefensible policy "a conversation" you should just pack it in right now as you have exposed yourself to be incapable of honest dialog.
 

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That quote was from a Lutheran pastor you simpering simpleton. I suppose you...morally compromised numbskull. Make sure you respond... you dimwitted dunderhead.
If you consider spouting off... you should just pack it in right now as you have exposed yourself to be incapable of honest dialog.
Stark evidence of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

@TempestOfTempo’s line above read within the context of the last few posts is a classic example of a characteristic of all social justice warriors: SJW’s Always Project.

Honest dialog involves moving beyond blathering rhetoric and intellectually dishonest, poorly constructed emotional appeals.
 

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Stark evidence of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

@TempestOfTempo’s line above read within the context of the last few posts is a classic example of a characteristic of all social justice warriors: SJW’s Always Project.

Honest dialog involves moving beyond blathering rhetoric and intellectually dishonest, poorly constructed emotional appeals.
Your defending someone who has been proven so wrong, so many times... including here and now. You offered no opinions or verifiable facts regarding the topic of discussion.... "a classic example of a characteristic of all social justice warriors: SJW’s Always Project." Congrats, by your own definition you are an official SJW genius.
 

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People got really emotional on both sides. I'm convinced most people don't even care about the real issues. Political hacks seem to be more interested in arguing with each other. And hack is not a label BTW. I don't believe in labels. But the word hack indicates an action that is typically understood. I don't know if it's universally understood yet, but maybe it is. I'm saying political hacks could be an archetype.

It's important to know the archetypes, and how they have power over our minds. I used to get into all the political rhetoric. But I realized I was just feeding some incessant need to be combative. And being responsible actually has nothing to do with blame. It's not our fault for being the way that we are, but we are responsible nonetheless.

All I'm saying is. Be the old wise man. Or woman. These "camps" are not who we are as Americans, or as human beings. And I think the same way about how everyone can be incarcerated. Government does not have Gods will to punish in an unjust manner. That is a huge fallacy and I'm obligated to call it out. It's like the heretics have taken everything. But they can't take God's justice away.
 

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I guess there's some who will think I am always the problem, and there's nothing that can change that. All I want is a good discussion. @Mr.Grieves, I thought you and I had a relatively pleasant exchange. Thanks.

Is everyone OK with this happening over and over again on this board?
 

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I guess there's some who will think I am always the problem, and there's nothing that can change that. All I want is a good discussion. @Mr.Grieves, I thought you and I had a relatively pleasant exchange. Thanks.

Is everyone OK with this happening over and over again on this board?
We don't agree on most things, but you keep it chill, which makes it easy to reciprocate.

The sad truth is where the internet is concerned, we're pretty much beaten. We defeat each-other with too much glee not to be defeated, before we can even begin to aim our outrage in the proper direction. You have your 'team', I have my 'team', they have their 'team', and everyone's so caught up in the battle, everyone so prefers it, that the internet acts like an upside-down ocean, driving all the shit to the surface, while the vital facts and truths all sink deeper into obscurity, dragged there often by algorithms specifically designed to distort and reshape reality. It's not just this forum. It's facebook, it's reddit, it's youtube and infowars and metabunk and google and vigilantcitizen.com.
 

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By the way, I am Canadian, and I live on land leased by treaty from the local first nations tribe.
Then why the actual flamingo are you sucking off Trump harder than his own wife does? Like calm down Timmy. Unless you are getting paid, in that case feel free to tell us the amount. Don't worry its just for educational purposes.
 

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To everyone celebrating Trump's move. They are NOT going to make the families already separated, get back together. Now instead of deporting the families all together, they will be jailed together. Also, since when is seeking asylum a crime?

P.s. One of the manager hired for the kids, was arrested for child pornography before.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/southwest-key-hired-child-case-manager-previously-arrested-child-pornography/

Apparently there is a lawsuit because immigrant children were being forcibly injected drugs for acting out like you know, any normal kid would.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-drugs-lawsuit-claims/
 
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