Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible [part 3]

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Mark 12:24-25

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24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.


That teaching is only found in Enoch, and nowhere else in the Bible, and Jesus said to them that they erred, not knowing the Scriptures.

The passage where that comes from, is in 1st Enoch 15. I gave the link to it there in that post, if anyone wanted to look.
For people who believe Genesis chapter 6 refers to Angels (sons of God) marrying daughters of men (therefore people) there is no confusion there.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


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Genesis 28:12 And he [Jacob] dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
 

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@thesojourner, what do you know - there actually IS a cross-referenced bible-quran app, at least in progress!!!!


However the motive is similar to AJH's:

Drs. Kaskas’ and Hungerford’s underlying motivation for the translation and inclusion of the extensive footnotes are not intended to promote a particular school of Islam or Christian apologetics. These exist in abundance.
Their goal is to build bridges of better understanding, undermine radicalism and enlighten ignorance.


Because of the dire situation in the world, with the objective of ending all conflict and establishing World Peace and God's Kingdom on Earth, The King of kings' Bible has been made available for free online reading, by The King of kings.

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This morning, I will try to find an actual bible-quran cross reference source whose motive is TRUTH (no matter what), not improved relationships between Muslims and Christians.
If I can't do that after two hours of searching I ask for interested surfers to pick up the job.

i.e. identical to JAHtruth's format. Not a search keyword variety.
I have now found a FANTASTIC Quran with Islam versus Christianity commentary. I will put it in my favourites list.

The Holy Quran by Ali, Muhammad

Publication date 1917


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There weren't any direct result search for "bible quran" in texts. I had to go to the waybackmachine instead https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/bible quran.

There is no successful result i.e. Old Testament + New Testament with Quran footnotes and crossreferences like the above link.
 
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@thesojourner, what do you know - there actually IS a cross-referenced bible-quran app, at least in progress!!!!


However the motive is similar to AJH's:

Drs. Kaskas’ and Hungerford’s underlying motivation for the translation and inclusion of the extensive footnotes are not intended to promote a particular school of Islam or Christian apologetics. These exist in abundance.
Their goal is to build bridges of better understanding, undermine radicalism and enlighten ignorance.


Because of the dire situation in the world, with the objective of ending all conflict and establishing World Peace and God's Kingdom on Earth, The King of kings' Bible has been made available for free online reading, by The King of kings.

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This morning, I will try to find an actual bible-quran cross reference source whose motive is TRUTH (no matter what), not improved relationships between Muslims and Christians.
If I can't do that after two hours of searching I ask for interested surfers to pick up the job.

i.e. identical to JAHtruth's format. Not a search keyword variety.
JAH is the first person in the world to have done it.

I've been to the Quranicwarners.org website before and I believe they also have inserted links in / or alongside the texts, that work as the cross-references but using a slightly different format. For the Bible section, they use the King James Version, and for the Quran, they have a translation into modern English.

They have also included more books too, including the Book of Enoch that they say was removed from modern Bibles, and some further additional ones. The site begins:

Submit to God in the Religion of Abraham, Inclining Toward Truth
God Sent Down the Torah and the Gospel Before as Guidance for the People, then He Sent Down the Qur'an, 3:3 - 4 Confirming the Scripture Before it and as a Criterion over it 5:48


Read the Torah and its Removed Scriptures with References to the Qur'an and the Torah:

Read the Gospel and its Removed Scriptures with References to the Qur'an and the Torah:

Read the Qur'an in Modern English in the Chronological Order of Revelation with References to the Torah and Gospel
 

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For people who believe Genesis chapter 6 refers to Angels (sons of God) marrying daughters of men (therefore people) there is no confusion there.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


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Genesis 28:12 And he [Jacob] dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
That is not the teaching Jesus quoted. Jesus said in heaven the angels do NOT marry. The passage in Genesis talks about angels coming to the earth and taking wives.

Here is the passage from Enoch wherein the teaching Jesus gave is found:

Enoch (Book of Enoch link)
15:1 Then addressing me, He spoke and said: Hear, neither be afraid, O Enoch, O righteous man, and scribe of righteousness: approach here, and hear My voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to pray for them; You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.
15:2 Why have you forsaken your lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten giants? (Gen. 6:2,4)
15:3 You who are spirit-Beings, holy, and having a life that is eternal, have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.
15:4 These however die and perish.
15:5 Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them, and that this might be transacted upon Earth.
15:6 But you from the beginning were made spiritual, living a life that is eternal, and not subject to death in all the generations of the world.
15:7 Therefore I made not wives for you, because being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven (Matt. 22:30).
15:8 Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on Earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits (demons) shall they be upon Earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon Earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born in earth (1 Cor. 15:40).
15:9 The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon Earth.
15:10 They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and those spirits (demons) shall rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction (Luke 4:33, 36; Matt. 8:28-34).


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22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Enoch 15:7)
 

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JAH is the first person in the world to have done it.
THANK YOU for your honesty. :) It has not been done before JAHtruth did it!!!!

Books that are written FIRST don't quote books that are written AFTERWARDS.

Maybe science fiction authors have no problem with it though. They love time warps, parallel universes etc.

Anthony John Hill does like Star Wars and Jedi a lot.... that would explain it.

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You are quoting from AJH's Book of Enoch.
The real book of Enoch was written before the New Testament.


1. Then addressing me, He spoke and said, Hear, neither be afraid, O righteous Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness: approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.

2. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring?

3. You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.

4. These however die and perish.

5. Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth.

6. But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.

7. Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.

8. Now the giants, who lave been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

9. The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon earth.


10. They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not 1 rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.

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i will let people who are familiar with the real Book of Enoch comment on chapter 15 versus AJH's "translation".
 

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I have now found a FANTASTIC Quran with Islam versus Christianity commentary. I will put it in my favourites list.

The Holy Quran by Ali, Muhammad

Publication date 1917


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There weren't any direct result search for "bible quran" in texts. I had to go to the waybackmachine instead https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/bible quran.

There is no successful result i.e. Old Testament + New Testament with Quran footnotes and crossreferences like the above link.
Because you are not looking for it, or for harmony between the Quran and the Bible.
You WANT there to be disagreement between the Books, therefore that is what you look for.
If you don't want to see agreement, then you never will.

"There are none so blind (to the harmony that exists in ALL Scripture) as those who REFUSE to see (it because they do not want to see it)."

Quranicwarners.org has done it; as has JAH and the new App you found.
So that is already 3 groups, and JAH was the first to do it, with cross-references, in the King of kings' Bible:


Blessed are those, who have the eyes to see it
 
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Because you are not looking for it, or for harmony between the Quran and the Bible.
You WANT there to be disagreement between the Books, therefore that is what you look for.
If you don't want to see agreement, then you never will.

"There are none so blind (to the harmony that exists in ALL Scripture) as those who REFUSE to see (it because they do not want to see it)."

Quranicwarners.org has done it; as has JAH and the new App you found.
So that is already 3 groups, and JAH was the first to do it, with cross-references, in the King of kings' Bible:


Blesses are those, who have the eyes to see it
That tactic doesn't work on me.
It is an obvious contradiction which every impartial reader will see.
 

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THANK YOU for your honesty. :) It has not been done before JAHtruth did it!!!!
It is a mention of Honour, Him being the first, as it was prophesied that only Christ (The Lamb) could do, and He did.
Now, others are following in His footsteps, also combining the Bible and Quran into one Book, as God always intended it to be!
The original ad for the King of kings' Bible, on JAHtruth.net:


Anthony John Hill does like Star Wars and Jedi a lot...
This is one of may favorite articles on JAHTruth.net:

STAR WARS - Fact not fiction

Books that are written FIRST don't quote books that are written AFTERWARDS.
That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Enoch was written before Christ appeared in the flesh of Jesus here on Earth, approx 2000 years ago.
That is how Jesus and the disciples were able to QUOTE from it.
 
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THANK YOU for your honesty. :) It has not been done before JAHtruth did it!!!!

Books that are written FIRST don't quote books that are written AFTERWARDS.

Maybe science fiction authors have no problem with it though. They love time warps, parallel universes etc.

Anthony John Hill does like Star Wars and Jedi a lot.... that would explain it.

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You are quoting from AJH's Book of Enoch.
The real book of Enoch was written before the New Testament.


1. Then addressing me, He spoke and said, Hear, neither be afraid, O righteous Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness: approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.

2. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring?

3. You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.

4. These however die and perish.

5. Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth.

6. But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.

7. Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.

8. Now the giants, who lave been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

9. The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon earth.


10. They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not 1 rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.

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i will let people who are familiar with the real Book of Enoch comment on chapter 15 versus AJH's "translation".
It's not worth talking to you, if this is all you are going to do, which appears to be the case.
That's too bad.
 

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@The Sojourner on the first page gave https://quranicwarners.org/ as a source.

What I am about to show SHOULD be a warning to all readers why you don't judge a book by its cover, or these days a website by its name/ appearance.

The quranic warners website didn't say WHICH Gospels. People falsely assume there are only four, but in fact there are quite a few if you include GNOSTIC Gospels.

Reasons why those books were not included in the bible:

The infancy gospel of Thomas https://www.biblewise.com/bible_study/apocrypha/infancy-gospel-thomas.php

....The text itself is devoted to the life of Jesus as a child. The gospel portrays Jesus as already endowed with special powers, but still having the mind of a child – a child who didn't always use those powers wisely. This was often upsetting to the other people described in the gospel story. But also upsetting to church leaders who had a hard time believing Jesus could ever have been capricious or malicious. Though the gospel ends with Jesus' maturation and growth in wisdom, the earlier events were undoubtedly the reason the gospel was determined to be heretical.

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Gospel of Barnabas https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/stewart_don/faq/islam/10-why-do-muslims-accept-the-gospel-of-barnabas-over-the-four-gospels.cfm
The Gospel of Barnabas is a document that claims to have been written by the New Testament character Barnabas. Muslims claim that this is the only written gospel that gives us authentic information about the life of Jesus Christ......

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The view of scholarship is unanimous when it comes to the authenticity of the Gospel of Barnabas; it is a fraud. The evidence is that this so-called gospel of Barnabas was composed in the 15th or 16th century and not by the first century character of that name. There is no evidence that it existed before this time.

For one thing, no one in the ancient church cites the work. There is nothing found in the writings of Christians, or non-Christians, that give any testimony to such a work existing. The work is not referred to by anyone. We would expect someone to cite this work had it existed. Yet, we find nothing.....


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The epistle of Barnabas https://www.gotquestions.org/Epistle-of-Barnabas.html

Not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas, the Epistle of Barnabas, also known as the Letter of Barnabas, is an early writing of Christianity, frequently mentioned by other church fathers. Although it is named for Barnabas, an associate of Paul, the letter itself does not mention its author.....

This dates it somewhere in the late first to very early second century. The text gives insight into Old Testament Jewish laws and traditions, comparing and contrasting them with Christian practice under the New Covenant.

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The Shephard of Hermas https://www.gotquestions.org/Shepherd-of-Hermas.html

“The Shepherd of Hermas” was a religious literary work of the second and third centuries and was considered a valuable book by many early Christians....
 
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4:4 The will is the eye of the soul,

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Is that a word salad?
Will: the ability to control your thoughts and actions in order to achieve what you want to do; a strong and determined desire to do something that you want to do

This makes way more sense: https://www.inmsol.com/spanish-proverbs/eyes-are-the-window-of-the-soul/

In many traditions, the eye represents “the window of the soul”; this means that it immediately reflects our emotions, our fears, and our deepest emotive shades. “Look me in the eyes!”, it is said when we do not want to lose any of the messages a person’s gaze send us.

because the more will-power a soul has, to resist temptation, the nearer it is, to going home. The Lord measures a soul, by its power to resist temptation from Satan, and by the good it does for others.

Then all of us are condemned, including AJH. Romans 3:10-20

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.....
 

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First I am giving the verse/ passages for context:

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Enduring word bible commentary Revelation chapter 12

Matthew 10:34 [Jesus said]Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.


The bible says: Matthew 10:34-37 meaning

4:5 The serpent, that tempted Eve, was Satan (Rev. 12:9)
Correct!

who; having tricked Eve, causing her to fail her test; then manipulated her and used her to attack Adam...
Correct!

(Matt. 10:36), using her sex-appeal.
The verse is out of context - Genesis is in Old Testament and Matthew is in New Testament.
AJH's personal opinion there (that Eve deliberately and knowingly did that to manipulate Adam).

Adam then also failed his first test, because he foolishly loved Eve more than God (Matt. 10:37), and doing good,
Probably half- correct. Maybe it was out of excessive love, maybe it was because he wanted to taste the forbidden fruit too even though he KNEW God had commanded him not to do so. Perhaps it was the first case of "Fear of missing out"?
There wasn't any conflict mentioned in the verse. AJH's quote-mining there.

and followed her advice (the Devil’s really), instead of God’s advice.
Look at the verse:
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Eve didn't give advice. It sounds like she enjoyed the forbidden fruit and wanted to share it with Adam only. [What kind of women has AJH had in his life?!!!]
 

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Here "The way home or face the fear" has some more creative writing.

Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


4:6 The simple story; of Adam (man) and Eve (woman), and the trees of the “Knowledge of Good” (God) and the “Knowledge of Evil” (d/evil); seems never to have been understood, by anyone on Earth, and yet it is very straight-forward, and easy to understand.

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Not even by (the real, not reincarnated) Jesus or the writers of the bible e.g. the apostle Paul?

Whole chapter 5.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.


4:7 God walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, and talked with them, teaching them to eat (digest) the “Knowledge of Good” (His truth), and warned them not to eat from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil” (Satan’s lies), or they would die.
The name Satan is NOT named anywhere in the Book of Genesis.
There are not any "quote" marks.

4:8 They already had access, to the fruit of the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good”, and were eating it, and, if they ate from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil”, they would then know that there was good, and evil, and become confused.

If people read chapters 2-3 it doesn't actually say that.
There aren't any "quotes" around the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


17 [God said to Adam (ONLY)] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The forbidden apple from isn't a metaphor. It is an actual commandment given to Adam.

In their confusion, they would never find their way home, and would die.

That is AJH's version of Gnostic mythology. Earth is Adam and Eve's home. Earth is not a prison according to the CHRISTIAN bible.

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AJH just paraphrases and expands upon his falsehoods in the following WHOFTF "verses".


4:9 If they obeyed God, there would be no confusion, or conflict, in their minds, and they would learn only good, from God - the Tree (or source) of the Knowledge of Good (TRUTH), quickly and easily, and live forever. As they learned from God’s teachings, they would become more and more like Him, until, once they became enough like Him (like Jesus’ example), they would be pardoned and then released from this planet (Earth), and allowed to go home, back to their real homes and families, out in the Universe, and LIVE forever.

4:10 God was telling them: “In the day that you listen to that liar again, instead of to Me - eat from the Tree (source) of the Knowledge of Evil (lies) - you will die (Gen. 2:17 & Deut. 30:15).”
 
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Genesis chapter 3.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too,...


Half correct, Eve didn't realise she had been tricked in Genesis 1:6.

repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war,
Exactly what war is AJH referring to there? No war was occurring when Eve spoke with the snake.

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


. and, from that day; EXACTLY as
God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them

AJH is calling Jesus God right there!!!! Read those above verses!!!!

; people have been dying ever since. So God told you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does today.

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It says the wages of SIN is death, not the wages of lies.

4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.

4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil, good”.


Apart from sounding slightly like Star Wars/ other religions by writing "war between good and evil", and making it appear that he believes good/ God and evil/ Devil are actual synonyms, IMO that statement is pretty accurate.
 

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First a few verses to see how it is sin, not only believing lies/ ignorance that makes us listen at times to Satan.

James 4:4 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


John chapter 8
John 8:44 [Jesus said to the Jewish leaders]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the ongoing insanity.

That was part of the result of SIN.

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4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.


TWHOFTF must be referring only to people who actually have sanity according to the modern definition of the word.
Sinners do sometimes make insane decisions because they have believed a lie!
We believe lies because we are sinners!

Anyone who has dealt with the clinically mentally ill is already aware that AJH's statement is at best incredibly oversimplified.
e.g. dementia patients can be deceived but that is due to their mental confusion and memory loss, not a conscious decision!


Insanity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity

Insanity, madness, lunacy, and craziness are behaviors performed by certain abnormal mental or behavioral patterns. Insanity can manifest as violations of societal norms, including a person or persons becoming a danger to themselves or to other people.....

In English, the word "sane" derives from the Latin adjective sanus meaning "healthy". Juvenal's phrase mens sana in corpore sano is often translated to mean a "healthy mind in a healthy body". From this perspective, insanity can be considered as poor health of the mind, not necessarily of the brain as an organ (although that can affect mental health), but rather refers to defective function of mental processes such as reasoning.


4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD

That is possible only through being born again via believing in Jesus Christ.

...as Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James 2:23)
Relevant quotes this time.

2 Chronicles chapter 20
7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

Isaiah chapter 41
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

James chapter 2
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
 

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John chapter 3 Jesus' talk with Nicodemus

4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self;

(KJV)
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


King of King's "bible"
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).


This is one of Anthony John Hill's most deliberate mistranslations.
Reincarnation inserted via born (later), separating mind/ soul (REAL self) and body like the Gnostics, calling God Himself a Spirit "being" and inserting human + being.

AJH's PERversion of the bible/ quran is absolutely disgraceful - and yet @A Freeman calls all of us who have confronted the deliberate falsehoods of the JAHtruth religion's books liars!! It seems to be a common trait of cultists - to accuse everyone who dares to show how their leader is clearly wrong/ deceiving others of lying.
Mind control is a difficult thing to overcome unfortunately. Understanding manipulative mind control... Psych central

keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will (learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5)....

KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


KoK "bible"
1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word was God.

---

is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.

The reversal of the curse - Ligioner Ministries:
...In Romans 8:18–25 God shows us how to think about our future. We who belong to Christ are “sons of God” (vv. 14–15, 19). The Spirit of Christ dwells within us, guaranteeing our final redemption (v. 23). We have eternal life even now (vv. 6, 10; John 5:24), but we also long for the full coming of life and peace in the future: “we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies” (Rom. 8:23).


We cannot reverse the Fall via doing good works. It is through believing in Jesus Christ and the Gospel that we are born again and accepted as a child of God.
 

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John chapter 3 Jesus' talk with Nicodemus

4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self;

(KJV)
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


King of King's "bible"
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).


This is one of Anthony John Hill's most deliberate mistranslations.
Reincarnation inserted via born (later), separating mind/ soul (REAL self) and body like the Gnostics, calling God Himself a Spirit "being" and inserting human + being.

AJH's PERversion of the bible/ quran is absolutely disgraceful - and yet @A Freeman calls all of us who have confronted the deliberate falsehoods of the JAHtruth religion's books liars!! It seems to be a common trait of cultists - to accuse everyone who dares to show how their leader is clearly wrong/ deceiving others of lying.
Mind control is a difficult thing to overcome unfortunately. Understanding manipulative mind control... Psych central

keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will (learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5)....

KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


KoK "bible"
1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth - in Hebrew is Nazir), and the Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil), and the Word was God.

---

is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.

The reversal of the curse - Ligioner Ministries:
...In Romans 8:18–25 God shows us how to think about our future. We who belong to Christ are “sons of God” (vv. 14–15, 19). The Spirit of Christ dwells within us, guaranteeing our final redemption (v. 23). We have eternal life even now (vv. 6, 10; John 5:24), but we also long for the full coming of life and peace in the future: “we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies” (Rom. 8:23).


We cannot reverse the Fall via doing good works. It is through believing in Jesus Christ and the Gospel that we are born again and accepted as a child of God.
I think you have hit on the central error that @A Freeman promotes.

Yesterday in our garden I had to move a millstone that was laying flat in one of our borders. It took every ounce of my strength to move it…

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Reading through your exposure of the deception at the heart of Mr Hill’s message, I remembered a verse about millstones:

Mark 9:42 King James Version (KJV)

“And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
 
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