Cointelpro

[A Freeman]

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."

– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


The stated goals of COINTELPRO: to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" those persons or organizations that the FBI decided were "enemies of the State."

– FBI Directive to Field Offices SAC, Albany, August 25, 1967


The FBI used four main techniques to undermine, discredit, eliminate, and otherwise neutralize these [perceived] threats:

1. Infiltration;
2. Psychological warfare;
3. Harassment through the legal system; and
4. Extralegal force and violence

– from War at Home: Covert Action Against U.S Activists and What We Can Do About it, p.10, by Brian Glick


COINTELPRO constantly deploys personalities pretending to be activists.

– from The Signs And Techniques of Online COINTELPRO By Stephen DeVoy


“Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group) are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable…"

– from How Covert Agents infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations by Glenn Greenwald, February 2014

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The word "Satan" is Hebrew and means "the Opposer".

When someone contradicts what our Creator's Word, wittingly or otherwise, it should be self-evident that they are working for Satan.

ALL organized religions do this (contradict God with their teachings), which can be readily observed by comparing what they teach with what it actually says in the Holy Scriptures. Anyone who may be naive to the organized use of such tactics on the internet should carefully consider that openly establishing a satanic one-world religion is a central tenet of establishing a satanic one-world government.

This is as basic as the use of a fake pandemic to con people into allowing themselves to be lethally injected with a poison, and a manufactured third world war to serve both as cover for the ensuing die-off en masse from the kill shot and to continue the culling. That way, people are brought to their knees to beg for the satanic one-world government and its satanic one world religion that they otherwise would have fought against.

 

[A Freeman]

An example of openly satanic contradictions of the Bible is claiming that God created man on the third day, when the Holy Scriptures specifically tell us God created man on the 6th day.

Genesis 1:26-31
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image, and teach him to be like Us: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in His [Own] image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REplenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were THE SIXTH DAY.

The above passage from the end of the first chapter of Genesis leaves absolutely no doubt or wiggle-room for man to have been created before the rest of creation that man was given dominion over.

Continuing on into the second chapter of Genesis, we find where God placed a spiritual-Being (Soul) INSIDE the human bodies He created, to form human+Beings.

Genesis 2:1-7
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the Seventh Day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had made.
2:3 And God blessed the Seventh Day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.
2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the period that the "I AM" God made the earth and the heavens,
2:5 And every plant of the field before it WAS in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the "I AM" God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] NOT a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
2:7 And the "I AM" God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed INTO his nostrils the breath of life; and man became alive and was given a SOUL [spirit Being] (human+being).

John 6:63-64
6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.
6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

There is absolutely NOT a "second creation narrative" in Genesis 2 nor is there any contradiction between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, as some satanically claim.

Genesis 2 is the logical continuation of the history of creation that begins in Genesis 1, where God tells us how He placed the living Souls inside of the human bodies He created on THE SIXTH DAY, after everything else had been created and before He rested on the Seventh Day. The Seventh Day which God blessed and made the Sabbath Day (the Day of Rest).

Whether the satanic claims being made about man being created on some day other than the Sixth Day are the result of an organized, counter intelligence effort or whether they are simply the ravings of a disturbed and/or ill-informed individual, is a distinction left to others to decide.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

should be self-evident that they are working for Satan.

Well, he did admit he works in biotech...

 

[Orwell's mentor]

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."

– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


The stated goals of COINTELPRO: to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" those persons or organizations that the FBI decided were "enemies of the State."

– FBI Directive to Field Offices SAC, Albany, August 25, 1967


The FBI used four main techniques to undermine, discredit, eliminate, and otherwise neutralize these [perceived] threats:

1. Infiltration;
2. Psychological warfare;
3. Harassment through the legal system; and
4. Extralegal force and violence

– from War at Home: Covert Action Against U.S Activists and What We Can Do About it, p.10, by Brian Glick


COINTELPRO constantly deploys personalities pretending to be activists.

– from The Signs And Techniques of Online COINTELPRO By Stephen DeVoy


“Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group) are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable…"

– from How Covert Agents infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations by Glenn Greenwald, February 2014

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The word "Satan" is Hebrew and means "the Opposer".

When someone contradicts what our Creator's Word, wittingly or otherwise, it should be self-evident that they are working for Satan.

ALL organized religions do this (contradict God with their teachings), which can be readily observed by comparing what they teach with what it actually says in the Holy Scriptures. Anyone who may be naive to the organized use of such tactics on the internet should carefully consider that openly establishing a satanic one-world religion is a central tenet of establishing a satanic one-world government.

This is as basic as the use of a fake pandemic to con people into allowing themselves to be lethally injected with a poison, and a manufactured third world war to serve both as cover for the ensuing die-off en masse from the kill shot and to continue the culling. That way, people are brought to their knees to beg for the satanic one-world government and its satanic one world religion that they otherwise would have fought against.

I think you bring up an important point with regard to these boards too. There was a time when people were more aware of the tactics COINTELPRO uses to dissuade people from the truth. @DesertRose actually mentions some of COINTELPRO "news" outlets here:

Random Thoughts

Lisa's back, Trump's causing war, she who shall not be named is lurking... Brace yourselves... Ahhh...ok, I think I know who you are talking about.

vigilantcitizenforums.com

And again, mentions some of their tactics here:

Online censorship

This video has been censored because someone dares to talk about israel yet youtube allows nudity and violence without an age verification Their is no likes system or channel details on the video https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngtlLz7xTfiEAsDU-HrnBg

vigilantcitizenforums.com

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a level of discernment on here lately, as people are now quoting them and are still in the "matrix", IMHO. Critical thinking is no longer being used to have the truth disclosed, rather, it appears to be a lot of misinformation and/or topics to misdirect on here.

 

[A Freeman]

I think you bring up an important point with regard to these boards too. There was a time when people were more aware of the tactics COINTELPRO uses to dissuade people from the truth. @DesertRose actually mentions some of COINTELPRO "news" outlets here:

Random Thoughts

Lisa's back, Trump's causing war, she who shall not be named is lurking... Brace yourselves... Ahhh...ok, I think I know who you are talking about.

vigilantcitizenforums.com

And again, mentions some of their tactics here:

Online censorship

This video has been censored because someone dares to talk about israel yet youtube allows nudity and violence without an age verification Their is no likes system or channel details on the video https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngtlLz7xTfiEAsDU-HrnBg

vigilantcitizenforums.com

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a level of discernment on here lately, as people are now quoting them and are still in the "matrix", IMHO. Critical thinking is no longer being used to have the truth disclosed, rather, it appears to be a lot of misinformation and/or topics to misdirect on here.

The quotes provided in the OP were previously shared on this forum in a video about the "flat earth", which uses very recognizable mind-control techniques.

The basic premise behind all mind-control is to create a state of confusion by repeatedly toggling back and forth between polar opposites. This creates a condition referred to in psychobabble as "cognitive dissonance", and is a form of hypnosis, rendering the victim much more susceptible to suggestion.

It's interesting, because in the research that has been personally conducted over the years, the earliest example of this found was in the very early Roman Catholic religious text known as "the Athanasian Creed" (c. 4th century). It was overtly used in that document to promote the pagan trinity doctrine. The example will be shared in a subsequent post, because it's both relevant and instructive, illustrating the basic technique, and how it successfully promoted an otherwise irrational and totally unbelievable concept.

Of course this same approach has been copied by the so-called intelligence services, and very successfully used throughout mainstream media and elsewhere for the same nefarious purposes.

 

[A Freeman]

Note: Boldfaced emphasis has been added to the "Athanasian Creed" below, to call out the intentional toggling back and forth between polar opposites, where both cannot possibly be true. This technique is used to "sell" the idea as something mysterious and difficult to understand, when it is, in fact, easy to understand that one = one, and three = three and any claims to the contrary are intentional confusion being used as a form of mind-control.

It's also noteworthy that when the perpetrators use this technique, they usually include statements claiming the exact opposite of what they're actually doing (e.g. they claim not to be causing confusion when they are intentionally causing confusion, or another party is accused of doing what the perpetrators themselves are actually doing) or the exact opposite of what is true. These attempts have been underlined.

The English translation of the "Athanasian Creed":-
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater*, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father*, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

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*This is exactly the opposite of what Christ (the Son OF God) plainly stated when He was here in the body of Jesus (the Son of Man).

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

Hopefully the false claim of a Son being equal to and not created by the Father will be readily recognized as well. Father (God) is NOT the author of confusion; Satan is (and has used his organized religions, his worldly governments, and his corporate fictions to promote his lies and confusion).

The battlefield is, and always has been, the mind.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

The quotes provided in the OP were previously shared on this forum in a video about the "flat earth", which uses very recognizable mind-control techniques.

The basic premise behind all mind-control is to create a state of confusion by repeatedly toggling back and forth between polar opposites. This creates a condition referred to in psychobabble as "cognitive dissonance", and is a form of hypnosis, rendering the victim much more susceptible to suggestion.

It's interesting, because in the research that has been personally conducted over the years, the earliest example of this found was in the very early Roman Catholic religious text known as "the Athanasian Creed" (c. 4th century). It was overtly used in that document to promote the pagan trinity doctrine. The example will be shared in a subsequent post, because it's both relevant and instructive, illustrating the basic technique, and how it successfully promoted an otherwise irrational and totally unbelievable concept.

Of course this same approach has been copied by the so-called intelligence services, and very successfully used throughout mainstream media and elsewhere for the same nefarious purposes.

Interesting you reference the "flat earth" theory. Years ago, this was clearly debunked, at least on these boards. I remember one member @Thy Unveiling made the statement what difference would it make if it was, anyway. Today, people are now believing the FE theory, making the claim that NASA is not to be trusted: therefore, the earth must be flat. Not sure how that non sequitur works, but I didn't know that Pythagoras or Christopher Columbus worked for that administration.

As you've stated, and I've also stated a few times, this has ALWAYS been psychological warfare. Perhaps there are some who are unable to recognize that?

 

[Doomsday Cult Mom]

Let's all face the fact that cointelpro as shady as it was doesn't even come close to what FBI is currently doing to conservative people right now.

 

[A Freeman]

Interesting you reference the "flat earth" theory. Years ago, this was clearly debunked, at least on these boards. I remember one member @Thy Unveiling made the statement what difference would it make if it was, anyway. Today, people are now believing the FE theory, making the claim that NASA is not to be trusted: therefore, the earth must be flat. Not sure how that non sequitur works, but I didn't know that Pythagoras or Christopher Columbus worked for that administration.

As you've stated, and I've also stated a few times, this has ALWAYS been psychological warfare. Perhaps there are some who are unable to recognize that?

Agreed. The "flat earth (FE) movement" was a psyop from the get-go. Anyone who has ever sailed across a large expanse of water (e.g. crossing the Atlantic of Pacific Ocean) knows the Earth cannot possibly be flat. It was possible for the intelligence services to promote that nonsense because most people don't travel that far, and don't know how to navigate or what spherical trigonometry is, or why it's needed to plot a course between two points on the surface of a sphere, etc., and thus can be fooled into believing the short distances they're familiar with seem relatively flat which, on a sphere of this size, seems true.

FE was designed specifically to retard the awakening, by focusing people's attention on something they cannot possibly change (the shape of the Earth) to keep them from focusing on the things we can change, e.g. the government, organized religions and the rest of the rule-makers, and their made-up rules which are what makes all of this evil possible.

If we returned to The Law that our Creator gave us -- from which ALL of our rights, liberties and responsibilities are derived -- NONE of the current evil we are experiencing would be possible. The shape of this prison reform school is, in many ways, completely irrelevant; it's doing what's necessary to get released from prison that should be forefront in our minds.

But that's how mind-games work. People introduce what looks to be fancy, polished information to get people to believe all sorts of garbage, using proven mind-control techniques which have been refined and amplified over the centuries. This is literally a generation that has grown up trusting the box, doing what the box says, dressing the way the box says to dress, eating what the box says to eat, taking whatever poisons the box says are supposedly necessary, etc. (where the box = media: radio, TV, internet and film, etc. ).

Only when the world is viewed in its proper context, as is framed throughout the Holy Scriptures, can one make sense of all of it, i.e. learn to discern between good and evil according to our Creator's Perfect Standard, and not our own, individual standards (which are all really variations of Satan's standard). Controlled opposition began with Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, who controlled enough minds to organize a coup attempt to try to overthrow God (the height of insanity).

 

[A Freeman]

Let's all face the fact that cointelpro as shady as it was doesn't even come close to what FBI is currently doing to conservative people right now.

Who do you believe the primary/lead agency is for cointelpro if not the FBI? The FBI uses cointelpro as an excuse to do whatever they want, including conduct unlawful surveillance on the entire civilian population, conduct unlawful raids, searches and seizures, blackhole whomever they want, or choose not to investigate whomever they want. They only need to label their political enemies (and those that oppose the ruthless and monolithic (deep-state) conspiracy that JFK referred to in his speech to the US press in April 1961) as "spies" or "domestic ter...ror...ists" to begin using every means possible to gather "intel" on the "enemies of the state".

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From: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence --

The FBI’s Counterintelligence Program
The FBI is the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities in the U.S. Because much of today’s spying is accomplished by data theft from computer networks, espionage is quickly becoming cyber-based.

The goals of the FBI’s counterintelligence work are to:

• Protect the secrets of the U.S. Intelligence Community
• Protect the nation’s critical assets, like our advanced technologies and sensitive information in the defense, intelligence, economic, financial, public health, and science and technology sectors
• Counter the activities of foreign spies
• Keep weapons of mass destruction from falling into the wrong hands

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Think fb, google, fusion centers, cell-phones and the other 16 intelligence gathering agencies working together to collect data on every American's known associates, habits, travel plans, religious and political beliefs and -- from computer modeling -- the prediction of their future behavior and potential threat to the establishment, and the picture of the forces arrayed against us becomes a bit clearer.

We are all considered to be criminals before being proven innocent (probably cause be damned), and can only be proven innocent in their minds by using their made-up rules from their biased investigations.

 

[John.Kool]

'... Anyone who has ever sailed across a large expanse of water (e.g. crossing the Atlantic of Pacific Ocean) knows the Earth cannot possibly be flat..... '

How so?

Second question, Is Jesus Christ God then?

 

[A Freeman]

'... Anyone who has ever sailed across a large expanse of water (e.g. crossing the Atlantic of Pacific Ocean) knows the Earth cannot possibly be flat..... '

How so?

Please see: http://www.siranah.de/html/sail042e.htm to help understand why the shortest distance sailing (or flying or driving) between two points that are thousands of miles apart is NOT a straight line.

This is also why the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn are approximately the same distance, rather than the Tropic of Capricorn being tens of thousands of miles longer than the Tropic of Cancer.

And yes, when sailing, other ships do appear and disappear on/at the horizon because of the curvature. They don't magically appear or re-appear under higher magnification as some falsely claim (after being spoonfed that disinformation by the likes of CIA asset Eric Dubay).

Second question, Is Jesus Christ God then?

How could human+Being known as Jesus+Christ be God, when Both have told us that's impossible? Did God not create/make Christ first, before the rest of His Creation (Col. 1:12-16, Rev. 3:14)? Was Jesus not born in Bethelem to the virgin Mary (Matt. 2:1-6, Luke 2:4-7) ?

Numbers 23:19 GOD [IS] NOT A MAN, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

See also: 1 Samuel 15:28-29, Hosea 11:9

Jesus referring to Himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as “the Son of Man”

Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26. 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31

Did Christ not call Father His God (Matt. 27:46, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12)? Is the head of Christ somehow not God (1 Corinthians 11:3)?

Is a son EVER not the creation of his father? Or are we supposed to accept a new definition of what a father-son relationship is in this one specific instance, as if God is the alleged author of that confusion?

Is 3 ever 1 or is 1 ever 3? Does not God say exactly what He means and mean exactly what He says?

IF Jesus Christ was/is God, wouldn't it specifically state that repeatedly throughout Scripture?

 

[A Freeman]

For those interested in the military origins of social media (an extremely efficient means of data-mining):-

The Military Origins of Facebook

Facebook’s growing role in the state surveillance demands new scrutiny of the company’s origins and its products as they relate to a former, controversial DARPA-run surveillance program that was essentially analogous to what is currently the world’s largest social network.

unlimitedhangout.com

This is how and why "the beast system" continues to grow and grow, and why it can and does devour men (anyone who stands in its way).

 

[John.Kool]

Please see: http://www.siranah.de/html/sail042e.htm to help understand why the shortest distance sailing (or flying or driving) between two points that are thousands of miles apart is NOT a straight line.

This is also why the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn are approximately the same distance, rather than the Tropic of Capricorn being tens of thousands of miles longer than the Tropic of Cancer.

And yes, when sailing, other ships do appear and disappear on/at the horizon because of the curvature. They don't magically appear or re-appear under higher magnification as some falsely claim (after being spoonfed that disinformation by the likes of CIA asset Eric Dubay).

How could human+Being known as Jesus+Christ be God, when Both have told us that's impossible? Did God not create/make Christ first, before the rest of His Creation (Col. 1:12-16, Rev. 3:14)? Was Jesus not born in Bethelem to the virgin Mary (Matt. 2:1-6, Luke 2:4-7) ?

Numbers 23:19 GOD [IS] NOT A MAN, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

See also: 1 Samuel 15:28-29, Hosea 11:9

Jesus referring to Himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as “the Son of Man”

Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26. 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31

Did Christ not call Father His God (Matt. 27:46, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12)? Is the head of Christ somehow not God (1 Corinthians 11:3)?

Is a son EVER not the creation of his father? Or are we supposed to accept a new definition of what a father-son relationship is in this one specific instance, as if God is the alleged author of that confusion?

Is 3 ever 1 or is 1 ever 3? Does not God say exactly what He means and mean exactly what He says?

IF Jesus Christ was/is God, wouldn't it specifically state that repeatedly throughout Scripture?

Have you read John 1 verser 1 - 18?

What was Jesus saying when he said '..before Abraham was, I am.'?

When Jesus was crucified and Pilate placed a sign aboce him on the Cross reading 'the King of the Jews' Do you understand why that is noteworthy?

The Link you posted is equations and theoreticals based on the starting point that the earth is a globe. There is nothing in that that actually proves anything.

In any case that link is also completely irrelevant to the question i asked. Once again you said anyone who has ever sailed across a large expanse of water knows the Earth cannot be flat. My question is How so? The link you posted and everything else you said does not answer the question or prove how simply sailing across a large expanse of water will give you irrefutable proof the world cannot be flat, Answer that question, if i was to sail today i would not have the link you posted.

The scientific community sells us alot of lies and it does it with tons of equations burying you in theoreticals and numbers and words all built on assumptions and the disregard of anything that could suggest otherwise.

 

[A Freeman]

Have you read John 1 verser 1 - 18?

Of course. Nowhere in that passage does it make the claim that Jesus is or was God if it's read correctly (without preconceived notions). The only reason people believe otherwise is because of the satanic programming they have received, e.g. the Athanasian Creed listed above. That was the entire reason for bringing this to everyone's attention.

Spoiler

IF John 1:1 is read properly, i.e. honestly and with an open-mind, the term "Jesus" isn't in it at all, either directly or by inference.

Only when one WRONGLY ASSUMES that they can substitute “Jesus” into BOTH John 1:14 AND John 1:1 (when “Jesus” doesn't appear in either verse) for the term “the Word”, can one misinterpret those two very simple and easy to understand verses.

Please see the following link for an example of the false logic being used by “Christians” to read something into John 1:1 which simply isn't there.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/111/Illicit_Substitution_of_Identicals

An illicit substitution is one of the many forms of non sequitur logical fallacies, i.e. faulty deductions that simply do not logically follow from the information at hand. Along with the examples at the link above, please consider the following illicit substitution, to realize how dangerous this type of irrational thinking really is.

Mr. Hatfield owns a .45 caliber pistol.
Mr. McCoy was shot by a man with a .45 caliber pistol.
Mr. Hatfield is therefore guilty of shooting Mr. McCoy.

Hopefully this illustrates how dangerous illicit substitutions can be, causing people to jump to erroneous conclusions using this false logic (i.e. illogic). Bearing this in mind, please consider there are at least 4 different ways that God's Word is referred to, or defined as, in the Bible.


a) The Word of the "I AM" came to the Prophets/God's Messengers by vision/dream. (telepathically).

b) The Word of the "I AM" was verbally spoken by the Prophets/God's Messengers.

c) The Word of the "I AM" was recorded in writing by the Prophets/God's Messengers (including the Disciples and Apostles), in what we refer to as the Bible (the written Word of God).

d) The Word of the "I AM" was also MADE into a flesh and blood example for us (The Way - John 14:6), in the form of the human+Being Jesus+Christ.


So why do “Christians” arbitrarily choose one of the four methods in which the Word of the "I AM" has been delivered to us, in preference to the other three, to use in their illicit substitution into John 1:1? Is it not because “Christians” want to read into those verses something that isn't actually there?

By substituting the four different forms in which the Word was delivered from God to us listed above, John 1:1 would read as follows:-


In [the] beginning was the vision/dream, and the vision/dream was with THE God, and the vision/dream was God.

In [the] beginning was the spoken Word, and the spoken Word was with THE God, and the spoken Word was God.

In [the] beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with THE God, and God was the Bible.

In [the] beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with THE God, and Jesus was God.


Hopefully the fundamental flaw in these types of illicit substitutions is self-evident, but just in case it isn't, please consider the following insurmountable difficulties in claiming Jesus is God:-


1) Clearly God was NOT a vision, even if that vision came from Him. It was the TRUTH of that vision that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

2) Clearly God was NOT a verbal message, even if that verbal message was His Word, being delivered by His Messengers. It was the TRUTH contained within that verbal message that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

3) Clearly God was NOT a book, even if that book was the Bible. It was the TRUTH contained within the Bible that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

4) It therefore LOGICALLY follows that God was NOT Jesus, even if Jesus was the flesh and blood example God gave us. It was the TRUTH that Jesus spoke and did that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

5) How could anyone be WITH someone at the same time they were that someone? No one claims some part of them was “with them” (my head was with me) nor would anyone claim to be with themselves (I was with me), except in jest.

6) There is also a tense problem with John 1:1 that is being ignored, which likewise proves the illicit substitution of “Jesus” for "the Word" in that verse simply does NOT work. The last phrase of the verse is as follows:

“...and the Word WAS God” (or “...Jesus WAS God” – past tense).

IF Jesus actually IS God, then ALL of the verb tenses in John 1:1 should be present tense, NOT past tense. But that is NOT what it says, is it? "Jesus WAS God", is clearly PAST TENSE.

It seems noteworthy that the "tense blindness" is not only misapplied in John 1:1, but in the other verse Christians routinely quote as evidence that Jesus allegedly claimed to be God: John 8:58 KJV (John 8:49 King of kings' Bible).

Where using the illicit substitution in John 1:1 ignores the past tense reference ("Jesus WAS God") that proves its error, John 8:58 KJV ignores the fact that the present tense form of "to be" is used because using the past tense form would indicate Christ (speaking through the mouth of Jesus - see John 8:14, John 17:5, John 18:36) no longer existed (it's "I am going to live forever", NOT "I was going to live forever", the latter of which would mean that is no longer going to happen).

7) And finally, to further illustrate how absurd this substitution idea really is, please consider how substituting both the pagan Babylonian/Roman “trinity” and the Son Jesus into John 1:1 would render that verse:-

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with THE God, and the Word was God.

...would become...

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Son Jesus, and the Son Jesus was with THE Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and the Son Jesus was the Father, Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Which should leave no reasonable doubt in any rationally-minded human+Being that Jesus is NOT God.


Who Jesus really WAS, as explained in great detail in the Scriptures, is the mortal human Son born of the virgin body of Mary, Who WAS definitely OF this world (and descended from the line of David). Hence His designation as “the Son of Man”.

Christ, which means “the Anointed One” (same as Messiah does in Hebrew or Mahdi does in Arabic) IS the Firstborn Son of God (Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14), Who is an IMMORTAL Spirit-Being and definitely is NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:14, 17:5, 18:36).

2000 years ago, when Christ incarnated Jesus (John 1:14), They became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ. The human body of Jesus is now long-gone. Which is why Christ prophesied that during His Second Coming, He (Christ) will be here in a NEW BODY (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12).

We have the Word of THE ONE TRUE GOD (the "I AM) on that.

What was Jesus saying when he said '..before Abraham was, I am.'?

Christ, the immortal spirit-Being [WHO IS NOT OF THIS WORLD -- see John 8:14 (KJV 8:23) and John 17:5] inside of Jesus, was letting everyone know He did exist before Abraham (Heb. 1:1-4). He obviously could not have said "..before Abraham was, I was" because that would be past tense, implying that He no longer was, which is in error and ridiculous.

Of course Jesus was definitely of this world, as He was born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem. DId you not read the hundred or so verses that were shared with you already in the previous post?

If you feel that is somehow a claim to be God (which it most certainly isn't), then do you likewise feel that Paul was claiming to be God when he uttered the following?

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

When Jesus was crucified and Pilate placed a sign aboce him on the Cross reading 'the King of the Jews' Do you understand why that is noteworthy?

Of course. Do you (Heb. 1:1-4)?

The Link you posted is equations and theoreticals based on the starting point that the earth is a globe. There is nothing in that that actually proves anything.

It was provided to introduce you to the subject of spherical trigonometry, just as the video that was shared was done so to introduce you to the subject of mind-control, and to illustrate its numerous uses in all of the flat earth nonsense. If you feel you need proof of the actual shape of the earth, please visit the flat earth thread.

Flat Earth Info

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In any case that link is also completely irrelevant to the question i asked.

No, it isn't.

If you'll take the time to learn how to use it, then you will see that cities which are separated by greater distances (e.g. 3 cities that form a triangle with sides >1000 miles each) don't obey the rules of planar geometry, but instead have three angles that sum to >180 degrees. There is a field known as geodesy, which has been using spherical trigonometry for a long time to resolve greater distances so that surveys fit together and match observable distances/reality.

Once again you said anyone who has ever sailed across a large expanse of water knows the Earth cannot be flat. My question is How so?

Which was answered. It appears you wish to argue instead of actually read what was posted and reflect on it.

The link you posted and everything else you said does not answer the question or prove how simply sailing across a large expanse of water will give you irrefutable proof the world cannot be flat, Answer that question, if i was to sail today i would not have the link you posted.

Of course it does, you just are ignoring the obvious. Again, please visit the flat earth thread if you feel you need more proof.

The scientific community sells us alot of lies and it does it with tons of equations burying you in theoreticals and numbers and words all built on assumptions and the disregard of anything that could suggest otherwise.

Understood and agreed; however politicians and government agents lie too, as do priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc.

 

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Let's all face the fact that cointelpro as shady as it was doesn't even come close to what FBI is currently doing to conservative people right now.

Not sure about that. Cointelpro was full-on assassinating people. Not saying they dont have those designs or plans for Trumpers, just am unaware of them being implemented.