One can only go by Revelation where the 2 'taking out's happen: at the 6th Seal and after the 2nd Woe/ 6th Trumpet. And both are 'pre-wrath', right? Wrath announced at the 6th Seal, then the 7 bowls of wrath/ aka the 7th Trumpet. Right?@colson
Thanks for typing everything out. I followed pretty well but you would just need to tell the two times in the 7 year timeline where you believe the church is taken (whether the church, great multitude or 144,000).
You said,
So here are my questions. You said
Where do these dates coincide during the 7 year timeline? Who exactly is taken out and at what specific time?
I understand how you break down the seals and trumpets but without an easier timeline to follow I just can't tell you what I think.
For the record I believe the timing of the church being taken out is key. Tribulation is going to happen. But when God takes out his church is paramount.
Thanks.
so it is fair to say the 1st 'taking out' is 'pre-trib' by some 'pre-trib' standards (but people are never 'whisked away', unless God is sucking them up in a tornado or nuclear blast).
There is no '7 year timeline'. Why? Because the false christs are using the book of Revelation as part of its 'lying signs and wonders'. And God has already compensated for this/ the book of Revelation was always written in a way to incorporate Satan lying. Like a hall of mirrors that need to end at some point.
There is/ are 7 year covenant(s). But no '7 year tribulation'. Here is the basic framework: 1290 days + 1335 days as per Daniel 12
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and behold, two others stood, one on this bank of the stream and one on that bank of the stream. 6 And someone said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, “How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?” 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.”
8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.”
If you think it is all said and done at the 1335th day, I think you will be disappointed. Again, prophecy is vague so that if a false christ wants to use it, then it is incorporated. Basically, at that point on the 1335th day starts the real demonic entity. Because it is 1290 days + 1335 days, not 1335 days. That's part of the 'great deception'.
Here's the trick: 1290 + 1335 days = 42 lunar months + 5 lunar months + 42 lunar months
the beast from the sea starts, then 5 months later, the decoy false prophet will start
after 42 months, the beast from the sea is destroyed
5 months later, the real false prophet starts for 42 months
Day 1, sacrifices start (possibly already having a statue on the Western wall that is not enforced to be worshipped until 1290 days later)
During this timeframe, the decoy temple is trampled by Gentiles/ either Muslims or the UN
Day 1290, the abomination statue is enforced to be worshiped
45 days of evil sacrifices, then the 'regular burnt offering' is stopped (1st it was 'good', then for a bit it was devoted to an idol specifically)
1335th day, people are 'blessed' - the sacrifices have stopped altogether
Start the next 1290 days where the 'sacrifices have stopped until the abomination is set up" (notice the wording in Dan 12:11 - it doesn't say exactly, 'this then that', it more says, 'these 2 events, 1290 days'.)
Just like Christianity is a 'living temple', Satan will have his own 'living temple' with no overt animal sacrifices. the Gentiles will trample this 'temple' for 1260 days' (either Muslims or the UN or ?)
During this timeframe, the decoy temple is trampled by Gentiles/ either Muslims or the UN
Day 1290, the abomination statue is enforced to be worshiped
45 days of evil sacrifices, then the 'regular burnt offering' is stopped (1st it was 'good', then for a bit it was devoted to an idol specifically)
1335th day, people are 'blessed' - the sacrifices have stopped altogether
Start the next 1290 days where the 'sacrifices have stopped until the abomination is set up" (notice the wording in Dan 12:11 - it doesn't say exactly, 'this then that', it more says, 'these 2 events, 1290 days'.)
Just like Christianity is a 'living temple', Satan will have his own 'living temple' with no overt animal sacrifices. the Gentiles will trample this 'temple' for 1260 days' (either Muslims or the UN or ?)
If you start the sacrifices on Yom Kippur, then it works out that the 1290 + 1335 days end on 15 Kislev, the traditional date for the abomination set up, then there are '10 days of tribulation' that end with there being sacrifices to the idol on 25 Kislev (Christmas 2024).