Christians and presumed political position

Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
3,458
Likes
5,854
#1
I have started this thread discuss this article. https://reformationcharlotte.org/2019/02/01/if-youre-a-democrat-youre-probably-not-saved/

For years I have read the Guardian because its serious news stories are usually of high standard AND they're free.

The Guardian's most interesting sections are often the comments Below the Line. There its demographics are revealed. Extreme lefties of every stripe and colour, and nearly every religious comment is anti-Christian. The commenters' assumption consistently is that Christian = anti-Democrat/ anti-Labor, anti-disadvantaged e.g. poor.

I find that very sad. I have lived in many areas in Australia and I know full well that some people will never be able to contribute to society like rightwingers assume we are all able to do. Some jobs have been off-shored permanently. There needs to be a safety net.

It is equally frustrating that to vote for Labor here = vote for abortion, minority groups, political correctness of all varieties so I understand why the opinion writer has that viewpoint.

If I was an American, if the Democrats were pro-Christian and pro-life I would definitely vote Democrats. Republicans currently seem like they are the party of the Rich, just like the Liberal National Party here.

So if I was an American and I decided to hold my nose - because I know some women will choose to have abortions no matter who is in power and no matter if legal or illegal - does that make me a non-Christian in an American writer's eyes?

P.S. it is legal here whoever is in power and yes that is disgusting. It is one good thing that Trump is doing for the USA, making it much harder.
 





Last edited:
Joined
Sep 5, 2018
Messages
2,976
Likes
3,926
#2
Ok I finally see what you are saying. You want a party that is economically "left" but socially conservative?

If we're going off Jesus' words here, taking care of the poor would trump ( heh ) your disagreements on social issues imo

To me that would make you more "Christian"

I should say too that the Democratic party establishment is a party of the rich. America is an oligarchy.
 





Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
3,458
Likes
5,854
#3
Ok I finally see what you are saying. You want a party that is economically "left" but socially conservative?

If we're going off Jesus' words here, taking care of the poor would trump ( heh ) your disagreements on social issues imo

To me that would make you more "Christian"

I should say too that the Democratic party establishment is a party of the rich. America is an oligarchy.
Definitely. It is the one thing that my traditional Catholic school upbringing provided that has remained with me.
Look after the poor, reward the hard workers, make the rich pay their fair share, keep politicians working for the people not the powerful.

Post your USA election, in the Guardian's BTL comments the most frequent reaction from those who weren't abusing "stupid-Trump voters" was that the Democrats got what they deserved, by giving the candidate who loved the banks not the strugglin' average Joe.
 





Last edited:
Joined
Sep 5, 2018
Messages
2,976
Likes
3,926
#4
Definitely. It is the one thing that my traditional Catholic school upbringing provided that has remained with me.
Look after the poor, reward the hard workers, make the rich pay their fair share, keep politicians working for the people not the powerful.
Catholics are generally pretty good on those matters.

"What we give to the poor for Christ's sake is what we take with us when we die"
- Peter Maurin
 





Last edited:
Joined
Sep 5, 2018
Messages
2,976
Likes
3,926
#5
Post your USA election, in the Guardian's BTL comments the most frequent reaction from those who weren't abusing "stupid-Trump voters" was that the Democrats got what they deserved, by giving the candidate who loved the banks not the strugglin' average Joe.
Pretty much, the democrats took union voters in 3 states for granted, not recognizing that Trump's economic-populist rhetoric would appeal to enough of them swing the election. Sanders or Jim Webb would have one won in a landslide.
 





Last edited:
Joined
Jun 4, 2017
Messages
3,813
Likes
4,665
#6
I was Republican back when I made next to nothing... on principle. I have no political party now because I know its (pardon) bullshit. I quit voting. It's a farce.

In the eyes of Christian writers... I have no idea. There are Reps that are as Godless as any pagan Liberal. They're just old school, and some are still bigots, like the Libs. Assumptions are dangerous, but if I knew you were Christian, I would think you didnt know any better. But really... it's a pointless endeavor, aligning oneself with any political party, these days.
 





Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
3,458
Likes
5,854
#7
I was Republican back when I made next to nothing... on principle. I have no political party now because I know its (pardon) bullshit. I quit voting. It's a farce.

In the eyes of Christian writers... I have no idea. There are Reps that are as Godless as any pagan Liberal. They're just old school, and some are still bigots, like the Libs. Assumptions are dangerous, but if I knew you were Christian, I would think you didnt know any better. But really... it's a pointless endeavor, aligning oneself with any political party, these days.
I know what you are saying. These days whoever you vote for are thinking of themselves no matter what they say on their ad campaigns.
 





Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
3,458
Likes
5,854
#8
First claim: democrats are radically opposed to standards of morality according to scripture....
Mentions abortion, sexual perversions, feminism, and redistributive theft.

I am aware that Democrat supporters are overwhelmingly against traditional Christian values. All American comedians it seems are Democrat voters.
What made Democrats take that path?
 





Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Messages
3,807
Likes
1,338
#10
I am aware that Democrat supporters are overwhelmingly against traditional Christian values. All American comedians it seems are Democrat voters.
What made Democrats take that path?
There are only two parties in the US and the world... and those two are for or against Jesus Christ.

Those are not politically parties but people parties.

At the threshold of the Apocalypse there are not many men and women left with political or corporate power who are for Jesus Christ.

And regardless of the political party in power... morality has been in steep decline since at least the sixties.


That is because those who are for Jesus Christ are no longer in positions of power.

Instead we got Masons Commies Nazies etc etc in political and corporate power in the US and most of the world. So no surprise the world is going to Hell in a handbasket. And also a fourth of the world are plagued by an ideological virus called Islam. And the religious rulers of Christianity Catholicism and Jews... are also all more or less against Jesus Christ.

And that's why it will be a bloody massacre when He returns in fierce fury and righteous rage to utterly destroy His enemies.
 





Last edited:

DavidSon

Established
Joined
Jan 10, 2019
Messages
340
Likes
463
#11
I have started this thread discuss this article. https://reformationcharlotte.org/2019/02/01/if-youre-a-democrat-youre-probably-not-saved/

...So if I was an American and I decided to hold my nose - because I know some women will choose to have abortions no matter who is in power and no matter if legal or illegal - does that make me a non-Christian in an American writer's eyes?
I personally put no weight to the comments of what sound like a deluded child pastor. Re-distributive theft? Does young dude understand that usury was made illegal to Moses and the children of Israel? Naming "feminism" un-Christian also makes the entire statement about democrats sound really dumb.

I was looking at data this morning and can't find the same link, but these stats are also interesting:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

So National Baptists aren't Christian? LOL. Basically the polls show that democrats are nearly as Christian as republicans. Maybe 20% lower but I was surprised by the numbers.

Again this goes back to reading for yourself, knowing yourself, "testing the spirits". I have no idea how someone who supports homosexuality could claim to affiliate themselves with the God of Moses and Jesus the Christ, but it's an insane world for sure. I find peace in the fact that in nature we reap what we sow. Judgement to me is less about the afterlife than the guilt and condemnation sinners face NOW, in this moment.

I can say It's is a touch sad not to have a political voice. I've never voted. None of the candidates or parties have ever moved me enough to put my trust and strength behind them. There's a large segment that feel this apathy; we just can't relate to the world in this way.
 





Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
3,458
Likes
5,854
#12
I personally put no weight to the comments of what sound like a deluded child pastor. Re-distributive theft? Does young dude understand that usury was made illegal to Moses and the children of Israel? Naming "feminism" un-Christian also makes the entire statement about democrats sound really dumb.
I know it is a relatively short opinion piece but I found the black-and-whiteness in thinking extreme.
Why is making the wealthy pay their share to make society function as well as possible "redistributive theft"?
Don't they want taxpayer funded police, firefighters, garbage collectors etc. like the rest of us? Don't they want good roads to drive their posh cars on safely?
What the rest of the 1st world nations call social security the USA (Republicans especially) seem to call communism or in this case "theft".
Feminism is not a four letter word either. There is a big difference between the traditional equal rights, equal pay feminism and extremist identity man-hating feminism.
I was looking at data this morning and can't find the same link, but these stats are also interesting:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

So National Baptists aren't Christian? LOL. Basically the polls show that democrats are nearly as Christian as republicans. Maybe 20% lower but I was surprised by the numbers.
I expect the writer would claim they are Christians in name only, the percentages are dodgy.
Again this goes back to reading for yourself, knowing yourself, "testing the spirits". I have no idea how someone who supports homosexuality could claim to affiliate themselves with the God of Moses and Jesus the Christ, but it's an insane world for sure. I find peace in the fact that in nature we reap what we sow. Judgement to me is less about the afterlife than the guilt and condemnation sinners face NOW, in this moment.

I can say It's is a touch sad not to have a political voice. I've never voted. None of the candidates or parties have ever moved me enough to put my trust and strength behind them. There's a large segment that feel this apathy; we just can't relate to the world in this way.
The sexual morality issues I am 100% in agreement with the writer. The financial position I am almost the opposite. Yes there are consequences for unnatural, unbiblical relationships in this life as well as the next.

I suppose you could get involved in social small groups or charity work at the ground level, in areas you have strong beliefs about? e.g. my sister did volunteering at a young women's home while doing her social work degree. That way you could actually see some positive change.
 





Joined
Apr 13, 2017
Messages
884
Likes
881
#13
In France they say "gauche du travail, droite des valeurs", which is roughly translated into "left in labour, right in values." I've also found myself on this line for over a decade and when one does it becomes painfully clear that the bipartisan way politics has been set up is to make people choose between one or the other, rarely both. We keep voting for product bundles while no doubt most of us would prefer to choose the products individually. That's the purpose of party politics: you vote for an ideology (ie. a set of ideas), not an idea.

The commenters' assumption consistently is that Christian = anti-Democrat/ anti-Labor, anti-disadvantaged e.g. poor.
That's a tremendously hard square to circle. The majority of Christians are conservative. Christians and conservatives on average spend more on charity than non-Christians and liberals. Conservatives on average pay more in taxes than liberals while liberals on average receive more tax-handouts than conservatives. There are many ways to describe these inbalances, but calling Christians anti-disadvantaged is probably the least accurate one.
 





Joined
Apr 25, 2017
Messages
1,066
Likes
2,100
#14
If I was an American, if the Democrats were pro-Christian and pro-life I would definitely vote Democrats. Republicans currently seem like they are the party of the Rich, just like the Liberal National Party here.
I have only voted 2 times in my life, once after the Bush Gore elections because of how close it was and I voted for Ron Paul and the next time was in the recent mid term elections because after witnessing how evil and insane the Left has become I wanted to do what little bit I could in trying to prevent them from attaining any more power or influence over this Nation.

There is nothing that they could change that would cause me support the Left in America, they are all Anti Christ, Socialist/Communists. The Conservatives definitely have their fair share of problems, but the facts are the base ideals of the Right are what I support.

The Right aligns with a Morality that is akin to Christian Morals and Values to begin with, whereas the Left is utterly Anti-Christ, from supporting Murder and destruction of the Family to basic ideals such as Gender. They have done nothing but tear down the Structure that God created by which a Society should function. There is nothing in their ideology of how Society should move forward towards that I could possibly agree with...

Not only that their Economic Ideologies I wholly disagree with as well. They want the State to literally run every aspect of our lives, and I am opposed to having the State have that much control over my life and freedoms. They believe more Government is the answer to every situation and I fundamentally believe that less Government is the answer to every situation save Defense basically.

I also believe the Left is the party of straight up Racism in all its form while trying to paint the Right as that party. The Left are the ones that prey on the weak with grandiose ideals and false Utopian dreams while forcing people into essentially slave conditions. There is a wonderful video where a man named Dinesh D'Souza explains beautifully just how Democrats have set up and trap people into the Slave Plantation. In the video he explains that the Slave Plantation consisted of 5 major points, which were outlined by Kenneth M. Stampp in The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South.

  1. Broken down and dilapidated and unsafe housing.
  2. Broken families.
  3. A high degree of violence required in order to hold the place together.
  4. Everybody gets a basic provision, but nobody gets ahead.
  5. Nihilism and despair. This is an intergenerational, ongoing, lasting way of life.
And if you look at every major city that has been dominated by Democratic Leadership for the past 50 years such as Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC ect, they all hit each and every single one of these points. They are full of projects, completely and totally broken down and dilapidated and unsafe housing, just as the slaves had during the Pre Civil War era. Housing provided by the Government which are totally unsafe and run down and destroyed.

They all produce completely and totally broken families. On the Plantation the men were pulled from the families on purpose, the women were given to be had by multiple men including the Slave Master to try and cause confusion as to whom the true parents are ect. In these cities it is close to 70% of them are single women families, basically the entire populace is coming from broken families where either the Father isnt around or the Father isnt known. This is much much much much higher than Pre Civil Rights dynamic of families especially in Minority and in these cities. This is purposefully foster by Democratic Policies such as the Welfare State and making it so that Single Mothers will receive more money than Families who happen to struggle with a man in the home.

In these cities there is an extraordinarily high degree of violence needed to maintain control of them, whether that is in the form of the State having to enforce violence to keep the citizens in check or more over from the citizens themselves who practice violence in much higher rate than other cities. Just as was found on the Plantation where the Slave Master would have to keep the Slaves in check by force while at the same time trying to foster an environment of violence between the Slaves themselves to keep them at odds and divided. This is exactly the environment that all of these major cities controlled by Democrats/The Left have fostered and again is on purpose.

In all of these cities as I mentioned already, the very basics are provided by the Slave Master aka the State, Public Housing, Basic Health Care, Basic Food, Water, Electric ect. The Government wants as many of them on these types of assistance because that allows them ultimate control of the citizens. Just as the Slave Master would provide his Slaves with basic assistance and foster a dependency on him as provider so they would be less like to rebel believing that they may lose these things that are essential for survival. The same mentality is fostered in all of these Democratic cities as they give the citizens the bare basics needed to survive and then brainwash them into thinking it is a good thing that the Slave Master/State is taking care of them. They also become dependent upon the Slave Master/State and believe they cant or shouldnt break from this as they might not be able to provide for themselves. That mentality is exactly what the Left wants of its followers, they want to foster environments and mentalities that make it seem as tho to break from the State is to cause them to lose the ability to Survive. They in no way want to foster an environment where the majority of people feel they have the ability to rise above the circumstances they are in, and that brings us to the last point.

These cities are filled to the brim with people who 100% believe that they have no ability to break free or rise up from the situations they are in and thus are given over to Nihilism and despair. They have been broken and reserved that this environment is all they can ever hope to see and know and therefore give up and maintain the status quo of the Plantation to keep their bread and water the Slave Master gives them and finds a way to lie to themselves to be happy with such a Slave Master. Many of the people in these cities dont believe they can overcome their circumstance, many of them believe that they have no hope or the outcome will only be tragedy. There is no inspiration to move up, no desire to get off the Plantation, instead they even become defenders of the Plantation and the Slave Master.

How often is it noticed that people who overcome and move out of these Plantations out of the Ghettos and such and become active parts of Society and create for themselves Wealth and Industry are then labeled terrible things? Uncle Toms, House Niggers ect. The Left has done well in fostering a mentality in the citizens of that those who succeed are somehow sell outs and are to be mocked and ridiculed and guess what that exact mentality was found on the Plantation. And I say that if the Left isnt the creator of such things they are the Propagandists of each of these points.

The Left 100% creates Policies and Ideals to create, foster and maintain each of these points and the Right is utterly opposed to each one which shows us that the real party of the Racists are from the Left, the ones that truly are trying to keep Minorities in poverty, living in Slave Conditions, who do what they can to keep people on the Plantation sucking off the Governments teat, giving them free basic things so that they the Racists, AntiChrist, Immoral, Politicians can remain in power sitting comfortably in Masters House.

The Left is awful and I wouldnt be able to agree with you that if they came to support Pro-Life or Pro-Christian that they would be worthy of my or imo anyone with sense vote. This isnt even touching their Economic Policies which are 100% Communistic and only try and move people into dependency upon the State.

The Left wants to tax people into oblivion, the idea that you can create wealth by taxation is lunacy, it is impossible to tax people into wealth. As I said before they want complete control of your life, and taxation is a perfect way to control your life. The Left fundamentally believes that Altruism can and should be forced, forced Altruism is no longer Altruism but is theft period. I can go on and on showing how the Left is horrible in every possible aspect, from Morality, AntiChristians, Racists, and Economically.

There is nothing the Left can do other than NOT be the Left that would ever get me to vote, or agree with anything that comes from their side.
 





Joined
Mar 15, 2017
Messages
7,177
Likes
10,917
#15
Joshua 5

13And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for the Republicans, or for the Democrats*? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

*RSV (Red Sky Version)