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How is that? Is it because they have all those traditions that aren’t Biblical but make a person feel that they are deeply religious?
For starters because Catholicism takes Christian doctrine seriously, and through rigorous contemplation, dialogue, debate, philosophy and science has remained unified and consistent for more than 1,500 years. Protestantism exists not even 500 years and already has both the Christian community and Christian theology completely fractured in 35,000 pieces.
 





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For starters because Catholicism takes Christian doctrine seriously, and through rigorous contemplation, dialogue, debate, philosophy and science has remained unified and consistent for more than 1,500 years. Protestantism exists not even 500 years and already has both the Christian community and Christian theology completely fractured in 35,000 pieces.
catholocism meaning universal...who went and swallowed up pagan religions into it as long as those people agreed to catholic traditions...I can’t say that’s Christian. Then there‘s the inquisition which definitely is not Christian. The eucharist...worshipping Mary..the vicar of Christ. Those aren’t Biblical at all. Which is why I say catholocism isn’t Christianity.

There are many denominations that only took a step away from catholocism but still retain many of their traditions that I don’t actually consider them to be Christian..anyone still ’celebrating’ the mass isn’t Christian in my opinion..makes me wonder why they split off in the first place?

I think Jesus describes it best really..
Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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catholocism meaning universal...who went and swallowed up pagan religions into it as long as those people agreed to catholic traditions...I can’t say that’s Christian. Then there‘s the inquisition which definitely is not Christian. The eucharist...worshipping Mary..the vicar of Christ. Those aren’t Biblical at all. Which is why I say catholocism isn’t Christianity.

There are many denominations that only took a step away from catholocism but still retain many of their traditions that I don’t actually consider them to be Christian..anyone still ’celebrating’ the mass isn’t Christian in my opinion..makes me wonder why they split off in the first place?

I think Jesus describes it best really..
Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭​

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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What pagan religions did the Catholic Church swallow up?
 





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For starters because Catholicism takes Christian doctrine seriously, and through rigorous contemplation, dialogue, debate, philosophy and science has remained unified and consistent for more than 1,500 years. Protestantism exists not even 500 years and already has both the Christian community and Christian theology completely fractured in 35,000 pieces.
And beside that, it's just massive in general:



The only place that attempted objectivity can be found is between Catholicism and Orthodoxy (which itself is still under the wing of Catholicism, as they are not opposed to each other despite differing of a few things).

Otherwise you have to go back to before any attempts at establishing a "Christianity" to where we had heaps of competing and heavily contradicting ideologies, versions of Jesus, scriptures and everything else.
Basically, even though most Protestants are too dumb to realize, they do in fact bite the hand that feeds them. I just wish that Martin Luther was a revivalist (of Proto-Christianity) rather than a reformer (of what I applicably term "DIY Christianity"), because he could've made an actual noble name for himself (if you catch my drift ;))


On some level, it could be perhaps even postulated that Protestantism itself serves the social function that folk religion does in Paganism. I have a few thoughts on this one..... the difference being though that Protestantism has a built-in political mode, it leans both towards alt-right (Evangelicals, Baptists etc) and Liberal (there is at the same time a massive Leftist stream pushing for LGBT and secularism etc as consequent of certain interpretations of Jesus in the NT), depending on the form but the political aspect cannot be ignored.
(The extreme antagonism from Protestants towards Catholics has really got my brain ticking on that topic over the past few weeks, I know that it's a topic that isn't given enough attention in a wider context)
 





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What pagan religions did the Catholic Church swallow up?
Whichever ones had Easter and Christmas as their pagan festivals...
I read once that that’s what catholocism does, it lets people practice their religion but has them add their traditions to them which is how catholocism expands..it infiltrates. Sounded right when it brought up the Aztecs and how the Mexicans are catholics and celebrate the day of the dead as well. And they like Santa Muerte as a saint.
 





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Whichever ones had Easter and Christmas as their pagan festivals...
I read once that that’s what catholocism does, it lets people practice their religion but has them add their traditions to them which is how catholocism expands..it infiltrates. Sounded right when it brought up the Aztecs and how the Mexicans are catholics and celebrate the day of the dead as well. And they like Santa Muerte as a saint.
Jesus' birth and resurrection are pagan holidays now?
 





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And beside that, it's just massive in general:



The only place that attempted objectivity can be found is between Catholicism and Orthodoxy (which itself is still under the wing of Catholicism, as they are not opposed to each other despite differing of a few things).

Otherwise you have to go back to before any attempts at establishing a "Christianity" to where we had heaps of competing and heavily contradicting ideologies, versions of Jesus, scriptures and everything else.
Basically, even though most Protestants are too dumb to realize, they do in fact bite the hand that feeds them. I just wish that Martin Luther was a revivalist (of Proto-Christianity) rather than a reformer (of what I applicably term "DIY Christianity"), because he could've made an actual noble name for himself (if you catch my drift ;))


On some level, it could be perhaps even postulated that Protestantism itself serves the social function that folk religion does in Paganism. I have a few thoughts on this one..... the difference being though that Protestantism has a built-in political mode, it leans both towards alt-right (Evangelicals, Baptists etc) and Liberal (there is at the same time a massive Leftist stream pushing for LGBT and secularism etc as consequent of certain interpretations of Jesus in the NT), depending on the form but the political aspect cannot be ignored.
(The extreme antagonism from Protestants towards Catholics has really got my brain ticking on that topic over the past few weeks, I know that it's a topic that isn't given enough attention in a wider context)
It is ironic that I was watching a Catholic discuss the work of C.S. Lewis earlier. He seemed to understand the gospel pretty well...


It is not what Catholics believe from the Bible that presents the problem, but the additional things through superstition and Papal tradition that they embrace.

“Catholicism” did not start out the same thing that it became. It’s like a ship that has gathered barnacles underneath!

It may sound trite, but opening up the Bible and reading it as a whole is the way to grow and learn. If the act of doing so makes me a “Protestant”, so be it.
 





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It is ironic that I was watching a Catholic discuss the work of C.S. Lewis earlier. He seemed to understand the gospel pretty well...

I think I remember that guy, he looks familiar.

It is not what Catholics believe from the Bible that presents the problem, but the additional things through superstition and Papal tradition that they embrace.
All you are doing here is repeating the same memes the Protestants before regurgitated, afterall the opposition to ritual, disciple, law and tradition is very much the only justification of your sect even existing (afterall, Protestantism is antinomianism).

If anything, these reasons for rejecting Catholicism are the things Protestantism got wrong. Protestantism never fixed anything wrong with Catholicism, matter of fact you yourself repeat their own rhetoric for censorship (given all your anti-"gnostic" speech, among other things...).
The Problem with Protestantism is that it had two radical options and it rejected both for something that just repeats everything wrong with Catholicism on the micro-scale.
The two options Martin Luther had was:
1. Fix Catholicism, do something about the corruption and bring Catholicism back into it's golden years again.
2. Revive a form of pre-Christianity that the Catholic church violently censored, to bravely and confidently rebel against the RCC in full-force.​

In my alternate universe, Martin Luther nailed up a proclamation of his restoration of Sethian Christianity onto the door of the Wittenberg all Saints' Church.


“Catholicism” did not start out the same thing that it became. It’s like a ship that has gathered barnacles underneath!
Name a single, consistent form of Christianity, any.

It may sound trite, but opening up the Bible and reading it as a whole is the way to grow and learn.
Sure, if I want to find out about the stuff in the Judeo-Christian Bible canon, that's one place I go, both for personal and scholarly reading (whether it be your 66 book canon or the older, more authoritative 73 book canon).

If the act of doing so makes me a “Protestant”, so be it.
No, reading the Bible doesn't make you a "Christian", that's what Catholics have been trying to tell you for the past 500+ years! If just reading the Bible and putting forth your own interpretations is what classifies as a "true Christian" then, why are you not an apologist for all you deem "heretical"?
 





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Jesus' birth and resurrection are pagan holidays now?
Have you never researched that pagan holidays were taken over as catholic holidays? Some say it was the Christians that took over those holidays..but I don’t believe that true Christians would have done that.

What day is Jesus’ birthday? Does the Bible tell us? No...but there was a pagan festival on the day we are told Jesus was born....
And the resurrection..I’m sure Christians knew at one point the actual day..but with the pope needing it to be a certain Sunday and it getting switched up year after year...we have no idea which day it actually is do we? How can we be celebrating...and I use that term loosely Jesus death and resurrection on random Sundays every year and call it a yearly event. Who does that? What‘s with the Easter egg..the Easter bunny? All pagan ideas...

And yes, they are pagan holidays....do we really have to celebrate Jesus birthday? He has always been..He doesn’t have a birthday...and if that was so important than I’m sure God would have made sure that exact day was recorded in the Bible...but who actually was there at His birth? I think its wrong to celebrate His birth when that’s not why He came. And..cathololics only really know Jesus as a baby in His mother’s arms or...

Dead on a cross. Which is probably why we have those 2 holidays to Jesus....Is there a celebration to Jesus’ death? Or is it the means to which we are saved...without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Thinking of Jesus sacrifice should be what we Christians do..we don’t need a holiday for it.

Then take the word holiday...holy day...is there holy days for Christians in the Bible? Or take Christmas and break it down...Christ mass...no Christians shouldn’t be celebrating that. And Easter is a pagan goddess...proving my point that it wasn’t Christians that started these things...however Christians now do celebrate these things incorporating easter egg hunts into their worship...horrible! And celebrating Jesus‘ birthday like it means something to a God who always was.
 





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Have you never researched that pagan holidays were taken over as catholic holidays?
Yes. God, Christ, Christianity renders things good. Something evil or pagan will be taken and turned into something positive.

The best example would be Passover. First, a feast of Jews in celebration of the sacrifice, death and blood of their enemy's children, Christ came down and turned Passover into a celebration of God's own sacrifice to give His children eternal life. It's the workings of divine providence. It's what happens when light shines over darkness. That which was in the darkness is still there, it's just changed for the better.

Would you rather the Church leave pagan holidays alone? Or would you rather the Church have these pagans convert to Christ?
 





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Yes. God, Christ, Christianity renders things good. Something evil or pagan will be taken and turned into something positive.

The best example would be Passover. First, a feast of Jews in celebration of the sacrifice, death and blood of their enemy's children, Christ came down and turned Passover into a celebration of God's own sacrifice to give His children eternal life. It's the workings of divine providence. It's what happens when light shines over darkness. That which was in the darkness is still there, it's just changed for the better.

Would you rather the Church leave pagan holidays alone? Or would you rather the Church have these pagans convert to Christ?
Let’s let the pagans convert without muddying the waters of Christianity, but for the catholics that’s what they do, so long as you mostly follow their ways....pope, Mary and the church.

Christians would like to see people believe in Jesus and be saved..not follow a church or a creed of that church to be saved. Two different concepts here.
 





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Let’s let the pagans convert without muddying the waters of Christianity, but for the catholics that’s what they do, so long as you mostly follow their ways....pope, Mary and the church.

Christians would like to see people believe in Jesus and be saved..not follow a church or a creed of that church to be saved. Two different concepts here.
The Church (ecclesia) is both the community of believers as well as the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in matter, in the earth, which provides the community with shelter against the evils of the material world. You need a Church, a physical Church, as religous institution or the spirit of Christ shall melt like snow under the sun.

Just look at recent history during the downfall of the Church. Christians are spiritually completely scattered. Many of them believe in predestination. In sola scriptura. They've adopted usury. Many have come to see their spiritual enemies (the synagogue of satan) as their allies. The Christian community has gone astray because the Church is no longer at the center of society.
 





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The Church (ecclesia) is both the community of believers as well as the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in matter, in the earth, which provides the community with shelter against the evils of the material world. You need a Church, a physical Church, as religous institution or the spirit of Christ shall melt like snow under the sun.

Just look at recent history during the downfall of the Church. Christians are spiritually completely scattered. Many of them believe in predestination. In sola scriptura. They've adopted usury. Many have come to see their spiritual enemies (the synagogue of satan) as their allies. The Christian community has gone astray because the Church is no longer at the center of society.
The church is not a building but believers in Christ. I don’t think that anything can quench God..He will always have those that believe on His Son.

What’s wrong with Sola Scriptura?

Jesus and the apostles did always warn about the wolves in sheep’s clothing and deceivers coming into the church that why we are told to be on the alert, we don’t want to get taken in. However, I think we always knew that many would be deceived because broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on it. There is only that little path and few find it.

People have gone astray because they reject Jesus and salvation..this is the secret to the increase in lawlessness...the only One who was keeping people lawful has been rejected how couldn’t lawlessness increase?
 





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I wasn't talking about people who've rejected Jesus having gone astray. I was talking about Christians who have accepted Him. They've gone astray because of the subversion through the old law. The wolves in sheep's clothing are the Judaizers.