Christian Zionism Discussed


Mar 13, 2017
Israelites abandoned God, refusing to accept Jesus so they casted THEMSELVES away from God Salvatio
Sure..but God isn’t done with them..which is the point of Romans 11

The CALLING of God is indeed irrevocable, and yet, human can fail to live up this calling (God anointed King Saul & Samson...) out of rebellion and disobedience. God does His "job", but by their disobedience & rebelliousness, humans in their wickedness can "dodged out" this calling. This is biblical.
Except that isn’t Biblical in that God has let His chosen people go..they are still His chosen people and He still has plans to bring them back to Him. And in the meantime their loss is our gain and we can now know God through faith in Jesus. After the fullness of the gentiles come in..God will again focus on His that’s Biblical.

Stop picking verses to build up a narrative that fits you. The Bible doesn't contradict itself - without accepting Jesus there's no repentance possible.
John 14:3
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Lord & Savior are NOT saved and do NOT belong to the kingdom of God.
Except that God isn’t done with His chosen people..they’ve only stumbled..they haven’t fallen and His plans include..
Romans‬ ‭11:28-32‬ ‭
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

I don‘t pick verses that coincide with what I think...I pick the verses that show what God thinks.

Also Romans 9:6-8 about God's sovereign choice :
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[a] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
You seem unable to grasp that Jews (by the flesh) can be saved as long as they accept Christ. Jews CAN repent. No one has said the olive tree base has been wiped away. We Christians are here BECAUSE of the Jews. We can claim belonging to Israel as much as they did.
Yet..its God’s will that they return to Him as a community...they will one day know Jesus...Hallelujah!!
Zechariah 12:10
I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.​

My point has been made. I won't repeat myself even further as you seem unwilling to listen. I looked up your post history in this thread and you're more concerned about shoving down your narrative & insulting people than actually listen.
I don't know if you claim being Christian, but the type of doctrine you seem to cater (defending the idea that people not recognizing Jesus as their Lord & savior (like Jews) can be Saved + dismissing the reality of the 2nd Covenant and that the Church is now God's chosen people) is NOT.

This is the last time I bother interacting with you. I am not interested in enabling such foolishness, so I will start ignoring you from now on.
Have a nice day!
Are you sure it was my post that was insulting? I don’t shove down my narrative..I just post my opinion and scripture that corresponds to it.

I am a Christian..for a long while now.
I always say anyone can be saved..even Jews..however its more likely that they will come to know Jesus in the tribulation period where God will be dealing with His people. that meant to be pleasant? Why come to a forum to talk about things when you are upset that someone disagrees with you? That seems a little extreme.