Christian viewpoints and "supporting israel"

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Ezekiel 36 16Again the word of YHWH came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman’s impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of YHWH yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore tell the house of Israel that this is what adonay YHWH says: It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am YHWH declares adonay YHWH, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes.

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For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land.





If zionism is a restoration of the state of israel...then God that is YHWH/Jesus is the first and foremost Zionist.
Remember the Bible has got to harmonise. I keep reminding you because you keep forgetting that Israel in the New covenant expanded to include Jews and Gentiles who have faith in Jesus and do His will.

All the unfulfilled promises made to Israel in the Old Covenant are now under the New Covenant Israel. Which is spiritual since these the Israelites are scattered around the world.

So yes Jesus believes in Israel being restored but its not the Israel of the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was made obsolete, "In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13).

Hebrews 8:6-7, "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second."

The Israel that is going to be restored is not an earthly one with political deliverance. Its the restoration of God's kingdom and its capital city is the holy city, New Jerusalem with Jesus as King. Christ preached more than two thousand years ago that the kingdom of God is at hand. This kingdom will encompass the entire earth. It will be the new earth.

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here” (John 18:36).

Do not forget that true Israel/spiritual Israel has both Jews and Gentiles in it in the New covenant. That our home is not of this world. Then you will stop believing the Zionist doctrine that focusses on an earthly state rather than a heavenly one as God's word teaches.
 

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Matthew 24 3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?
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32Now learn this parable from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that it is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.





Jesus had just cursed and withered a fig tree for not producing fruits... and when asked about signs of His coming at the end of the age He also told the parable of the budding fig tree. So the state of israel is a sign of the times at the end of the age.
 
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It's like ive already said 100 times...
the palestinians, are NOT 'arab' entirely.
they are literally the blood descendants of the original jewish christians with arab blood, culture and islam instilled into them.

the 'palestine' thing throws people off, but that literally came in the aftermath of jewish persecution of christians, which led to their punishment/destruction at the hands of Rome. Then rome renamed the land.

so if you want to have a love affair with the bible promises, understand that the bloodline/nation is bigger than just a few curly haired kikes.
 
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Do not forget that true Israel/spiritual Israel has both Jews and Gentiles in it in the New covenant. That our home is not of this world. Then you will stop believing the Zionist doctrine that focusses on an earthly state rather than a heavenly one as God's word teaches.
The state of israel is a sign of the times at the end of the age... and somewhat of a sanctuary for jews who were rounded up n burnt just because they were jews. Also it is God who is YHWH/Jesus making a stand against the god of the world who wants to destroy His people.
 

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Matthew 24 3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?
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32Now learn this parable from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you will know that it is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.





Jesus had just cursed and withered a fig tree for not producing fruits... and when asked about signs of His coming at the end of the age He also told the parable of the budding fig tree. So the state of israel is a sign of the times at the end of the age.
No its not. And what you're saying does not harmonise with biblical teaching.

Again remember @TokiEl, Israel of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are different. So the Israel Jesus is talking about is the New Covenant one. Its the Israel that matters and it comprises of God's people around the world.

The fig tree represented Israel then, and Jesus told them how how the fig tree was cursed for not producing fruit. Not long after Christ's death, the Jews rejected God for the last time and the gospel was taken around the world. Then Paul taught that all who accept Jesus as Saviour are of Abraham's seed. They are chosen.
 
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The state of israel is a sign of the times at the end of the age... and somewhat of a sanctuary for jews who were rounded up n burnt just because they were jews. Also it is God who is YHWH/Jesus making a stand against the god of the world who wants to destroy His people.
the promises made in the old testament for the future jewish, messianic people....is bigger than curly haired kikes.
the early christians of jewish blood, lost their identity as jews.
where did they go?

Luke 21, Jesus told em to flee
literally if you research the history, just before the 66AD roman invasion, the jews remained whilst the 'christian jews' fled east literally with luke 21 in mind.
after it was all destroyed, they returned and lived there, were absorbed into a new identity as palestinians.


if you can't even understand that then you're useless and a waste of air.
 

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The state of israel is a sign of the times at the end of the age... and somewhat of a sanctuary for jews who were rounded up n burnt just because they were jews. Also it is God who is YHWH/Jesus making a stand against the god of the world who wants to destroy His people.
The state of Israel is not even mentioned in the New Testament. The Israel of God at the end time will be the New Covenant Israel. These are the Jews that matter. And it won't be an earthly nation. It will be spiritual.

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart” (Romans 2:28, 29).
 
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No its not. And what you're saying does not harmonise with biblical teaching.

Again remember @TokiEl, Israel of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are different. So the Israel Jesus is talking about is the New Covenant one. Its the Israel that matters and it comprises of God's people around the world.

The fig tree represented Israel then, and Jesus told them how how the fig tree was cursed for not producing fruit. No long after Christ's death, the Jews rejected God for the last time and the gospel was taken around the world. Then Paul taught that all who accept Jesus as Saviour are of Abraham's seed. They are chosen.

there was a seperation between the true jews/the remnant and trhe rest.
so in luke 21 we see how the true christian jews were going to be persecuted by the so called jews (ie the synagogue of satan).
then they would be punished.
this connects with Zechariah 13. The ones who were 'cut off' (killed or exiled) and the remnant.
the remnant's story is then further foretold in REvelation 12. The 'woman' is Mary. The true jewish christian stock, are her children.
who are they?
 

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The fig tree represented Israel then, and Jesus told them how how the fig tree was cursed for not producing fruit.
Yes that's what i said.

And as a sign of the end times... the fig tree that is israel would put forth leaves again.



Then Paul taught that all who accept Jesus as Saviour are of Abraham's seed. They are chosen.
Yes.

I didn't dispute that.
 
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The state of Israel is not even mentioned in the New Testament. The Israel of God at the end time will be the New Covenant Israel. These are the Jews that matter. And it won't be an earthly nation. It will be spiritual.

the 'jew' part is just identity politics.
the bloodline is bigger than that.

According to fourth-century church fathers Eusebius and Epiphanius of Salamis, Jerusalem's Christians fled to Pella before the beginning of the war


Luke 21
12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.

20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.


Jesus told his true jews, the real remnant, to flee...and that is what happened. they didnt flee completely, they fled the war and didnt take part in it, then they inherited the land, whilst the synagogue of satan camp were punished completely.

Zechariah 13
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!”
declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,
and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
8 In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;

I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’

and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

this literally was the jewish christian community who were persecuted for decades by the synagogue of satan.
then they fled the punishment/destruction and survived, then returned.


 

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@TokiEl
Yes that's what i said.

And as a sign of the end times... the fig tree that is israel would put forth leaves again.
No its not.

The Israel in Jesus' time was different because they had a few more years before they rejected Christ one last time. It was still Old covenant Israel. Sadly most Jews rejected Christ and so do their descendants.

The Israel in the last days will be the Israel the New Testament teaches especially Paul, and it is all true Christians from around the world who have faith in Jesus.

Yes.

I didn't dispute that.
You dispute Paul's teaching when you believe in an earthly state as being a chosen nation. That does not go hand in hand with biblical teaching.
 
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No its not.

The Israel in Jesus' time was different because they had a few more years before they rejected Christ one last time. It was still Old covenant Israel. Sadly most Jews rejected Christ and so do their descendants.

The Israel in the last days will be the Israel the New Testament teaches especially Paul and it is all people from around the world who have faith in Jesus.



You dispute Paul's teaching when you believe in earthly state as being a chosen nation. That does not go hand in hand with biblical teaching.

if you're waiting for a few khazar kikes to start bowing to Jesus, it's not going to happen.
Jesus said God can raise sons of Abraham out of stones.
the real remnant is in the palestinians.
they're the ones literally fulfilling the Revelation 12 prophecy.
 

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Yes it is the budding fig tree at the end of the age.
The budding tree is Spiritual Israel that comprises all true Christians from around the world. This harmonises with biblical teaching.

Romans 9:6-8, "But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed."

The conclusion of the matter is that faith and obedience from the heart, not one’s physical parentage, are essential to please God. Only those who share Abraham’s heart—whose hearts are spiritually circumcised (Deuteronomy 30:6)—are the heirs of the spiritual promises made to Abraham. For this reason, salvation is available to people of all nations who are willing to be circumcised in the heart. It is spiritual circumcision of the heart, not physical circumcision of the flesh, that identifies the spiritual children of God.

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Just a friendly reminder gods chosen are leaving bombs in cans that typically hold food for a starving population.



If you support Israel. You support Satan.
 

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Galatians 3:7, "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham."

Ephesians 2:11-13, "Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ."

Philippians 3:3. "For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."
 
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