Christian viewpoints and "supporting israel"

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People in Israel are not real Israelites. Not the ones in the Bible. Israel is now composed of grifters who got kicked out of Europe. There is a good chance that Israel will have to flee to Ukraine because of a war they can only lose. Their heyday is almost over. Perhaps they can use all the money they have grifted off western nations and rebuild Ukraine. And above all let's not forget who killed Jesus because he exposed the money changers and usery profiteers .And let's not forget who is stealing beachfront property in Gaza. The Synagogue of Satan.
 

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1 in 90 are raped in Israel.

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It's like it's part of the culture.

God's chosen they say.

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After God returned and restored just as promised a remnant back into His land... israel has not lost a war yet...
How can God have restored the land to a people who don't believe Jesus is the Messiah to this day? The only way rejected Jews can be acceptable to God again is by believing in Christ and they have to do this individually like all other people in this word. "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

You know the gospel of Jesus Christ recognizes no nationality or race. Peter with difficulty learned that "God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34-35). In Christ "there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon Him" (Romans 10:12). In Christ Jesus all men become sons of God through faith (Galatians 3:26).

So how can Jews with their state be the remnant when they don't believe in Jesus as Messiah? That would mean you reject the teaching of the Bible.

In the Bible the remnant believe in Jesus and submit to Him. "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 12:17).

Note that the remnant of God have the “testimony of Jesus." Jesus is key to everything.
 
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Emmizi

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People in Israel are not real Israelites. Not the ones in the Bible. Israel is now composed of grifters who got kicked out of Europe. There is a good chance that Israel will have to flee to Ukraine because of a war they can only lose. Their heyday is almost over. Perhaps they can use all the money they have grifted off western nations and rebuild Ukraine. And above all let's not forget who killed Jesus because he exposed the money changers and usery profiteers .And let's not forget who is stealing beachfront property in Gaza. The Synagogue of Satan.
I was literally coming in here to write which “Jews” are we talking about here…the *REAL* Israelites or the synagogue of Satan?
Israel today is not populated by the ones in the Bible…
 

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Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9
 

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Jews and their supporters think they're 'God's Chosen People' and that he's got their backs.
That may have been true in Old T times, but then they went and murdered his son, and will get payback..:)-

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So how can Jews with their state be the remnant when they don't believe in Jesus as Messiah?
Many believe in Jesus as the Messiah... and when the full number of the Gentiles has come in then all will believe.


Romans 11 25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come from Zion;

He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

27And this is My covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”




The full number of the Gentiles has come in means i suppose the christian martyrs mentioned in the fifth seal in Revelation.
 

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And above all let's not forget who killed Jesus because he exposed the money changers and usery profiteers .
Hebrews 9 22According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.



So the only reason we can be forgiven if we repent... is because God put our sins on His Son and slayed Him for our sake.
 

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Comments from people like Ayelet Shaked may, for now, pass for "cringe from the fringe" but the reality is that there is no 2-state solution in the NWO endgame. Deep down, we all know it.....Dispensationalist eschatology doesn't even recognize it. How many times have we been reminded by pastors and their followers that "God said 'do not divide My land' " and that those who attempt to do so will face severe punishment?
From a purely psychological standpoint, i want to see how (in the future) Christian Zionists are going to defend the expulsion of Palestinians from their territories. I just really want to see them defend their "biblical" position to the death, in face of all the pain and tragedy
2019

The State Department did not respond to questions about the intersection of Mr. Pompeo’s Christian beliefs and policy.

American evangelicals who supported Mr. Trump’s embassy move might also approve if Israel annexes part or all of the West Bank. After Mr. Trump formally recognized Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights in a meeting on Monday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, many conservative Israelis said they are hopeful that annexing part of the West Bank will be next.
Then there is the question of what an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, as drawn up by Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s adviser and son-in-law, will recommend for the disputed territories of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Martin Indyk, a former assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs, noted the evangelical influence on the Trump administration in saying he doubted that the peace plan would propose ceding any Israeli-occupied territory in the West Bank to Palestinians. Nor was it likely to provide a route to Palestinian sovereignty, Mr. Indyk said.

“In the view of evangelicals, that is the land that God gave to the Jews,” he said. “They’re strongly opposed to any territorial concession there. If there is any of that in the plan, I think there will be strong evangelical opposition to it.”

Mr. Trump’s decision in December 2017 to move the American Embassy was intended to please evangelical voters in the United States, as well as some Jews. Mr. Netanyahu has embraced evangelical support for his right-wing policies, and sees evangelicals as more reliable American allies of Israel than liberal American Jews.

Studies show that white evangelicals are much more likely than other Americans to believe that Israel fulfills a biblical prophecy. Known as Christian Zionists, they believe God promised the land to the Jews, and that the gathering of Jews in Israel is foretold in the prophecy of the rapture — the ascent of Christians into the kingdom of God.

Mr. Pompeo talks about the rapture. “We will continue to fight these battles,” he said at a “God and Country Rally” in 2015, because there is a “never-ending struggle” until “the rapture.”

“Be part of it,” he said at the meeting, at the Summit church in Wichita, Kan. “Be in the fight.”
 

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Many believe in Jesus as the Messiah... and when the full number of the Gentiles has come in then all will believe.
Yes there are many Jews who believe in Jesus but as you know most don't.

God is not waiting on them as a nation to believe in Jesus as Messiah. Remember God cut off a time for them as a nation, the 70 weeks/490 literal years. And you know they rejected Christ at the end of that period. They stopped being a chosen nation and the gospel was taken to the Gentiles.

So the Jews have to come to Christ individually like all other human beings in the world. No one is going to be saved or lost as part of a people group biblically. We are going to be saved or lost individually according to the choices we made and if they were based on God's will or not.

Romans 11 25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;

He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

27And this is My covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”


The full number of the Gentiles has come in means i suppose the christian martyrs mentioned in the fifth seal in Revelation.
These verses are misinterpreted by dispensationalists who teach the false doctrine of Zionism.

The fullness of the Gentiles means that the gospel will have been preached to all the world and Jesus will be returning soon.

And “all Israel shall be saved” doesn't mean that all Jews by blood will be saved by some divine decree. Its impossible that entire people groups will be saved.

Always remember that being a Jew in the New Covenant means all those that have faith in Jesus regardless of if they are Jews or Gentiles. "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham" (Galatians 3:7-9).

Romans 10:13 says "...whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Biblically all of Israel shall be saved as in all those who have faith in Jesus and submit to Him. That includes Jews and Gentiles. So Romans 11:27 carries the same meaning as the one in Romans 10:13.

Paul wants His fellow Jews to he saved hence why he says that some of the natural branches (the Jews) that were broken off the olive tree (Israel) will be grafted back on.

I believe many people both Jews and Gentiles will find and accept Christ just before Jesus' second return. But that will based on individual choices.
 
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And what doctrine is that ?
You know what the doctrine is. Its the doctrine you believe in.

Dispensationalism teaches that the Jews are still chosen. That Israel and the church are two different entities and God will deal with them differently too.

Daniel P. Fuller correctly concludes: "The basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity."

This is taken from my thread "Dispensationalism is not biblical":
Dispensationalists believe the Old Testament promises to Israel will be literally fulfilled at the end of time. They regard the establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 as the beginning of the fulfilment of Old Testament prophecies dealing with the return of the Jews to their own land. They believe that the Temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted and they base this on Old Testament prophetic statements such as Ezekiel 44, which prophesies in Old Testament terms, but which must be interpreted in the light of the New Testament. This is unbiblical and a very dangerous teaching.
In the New Covenant all those that have faith in Jesus are Israel. And Israel is the true Church of God. Jesus is head of this Church. Its this Israel/Church that has inherited God's covenant promises.

Galatians 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Romans 10:12, "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

Romans 2:28, 29, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter."


In the New Covenant the promised land is not the earthly state of Israel. The promised land will be first heaven, then the new earth. Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5).

Hebrews 11:16, "But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."

I say a lot more on my thread on Dispensationalism.
 
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Dispensationalists believe the Old Testament promises to Israel will be literally fulfilled at the end of time. They regard the establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948 as the beginning of the fulfilment of Old Testament prophecies dealing with the return of the Jews to their own land. They believe that the Temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted...
No i don't find a rebuilt temple with reinstituted animal sacrifices in God's book the Bible.

What i do find is that the Holy land is YHWH/Jesus personal property in perpetuity... where Jesus will bring the wayward world into Judgement.


World is following the god of the world in this age headlong into an immovable Rock which is Christ.

It's gonna hurt.
 

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No i don't find a rebuilt temple with reinstituted animal sacrifices in God's book the Bible.
You may not believe in all dispensationalist doctrine but you believe in some of it clearly. You believe genetic Jews and the state of Israel are still chosen. That's not found in the Bible either.

What i do find is that the Holy land is YHWH/Jesus personal property in perpetuity... where Jesus will bring the wayward world into Judgement.
There is no Holy land in this world. There was a promised land but that doesn't exist any more in this world. God planned for His chosen people the Israelites to live in the promised land while they believed and did His will. They didn't do that as you know. The gospel was then taken around the world and all those who had/have faith in Jesus and do His will are chosen, and are "Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." These people/Israel/the Church are scattered around the world. So there is no promised land or country that they can all live in, in this world. However they will all be able to live in the promised land of heaven and the new world with Jesus after He returns the second time.

New Jerusalem the city Jesus is building in heaven for His people is also called the Holy City in the Bible. "Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God" (Revelation 21:2-3).

The New Earth will be Holy Land with the Holy City, New Jerusalem as its capital. All this will happen after sin and the wicked have been destroyed forever.
 
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You may not believe in all dispensationalist doctrine but you believe in some of it clearly. You believe genetic Jews and the state of Israel are still chosen.
Ezekiel 36 16Again the word of YHWH came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman’s impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of YHWH yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore tell the house of Israel that this is what adonay YHWH says: It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am YHWH declares adonay YHWH, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes.

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For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land.





If zionism is a restoration of the state of israel...then God that is YHWH/Jesus is the first and foremost Zionist.
 
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