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Catch and release is what drives this.... we either have open borders and NO country or we have a border with strict enforcement of legal immigration laws..... this is the stupidest argument ever. Why don’t all other countries have open borders? We owe it to our citizens to make laws and enforce them for their safety and the safety of those on the other side. Asylum seekers are fine, but there is a process to this as well. Those who want open borders should have the guts to make their case and stop with the propaganda and stop using innocent people as human and political shields
Those who desire iron-clad US borders should have the honesty to admit that a few hundred years worth of arbitrary borders, set up by newcomers who stole the land in the first place, are going to have the very effects we are now seeing.....

You guys want to act like America appeared out of a vacuum. Its convenient for you, but its not reality. If you are serious, you should also be confronting our own government, military and big biz for intentionally exacerbating the situation in those lands..... but they benefit from the misery they inflict in those nations. Then they benefit from the desperate work force which arrives here, then they benefit during elections and etc. when they need a group of scapegoats to throw to the wolves.

Yeah buddy, those would probably be the first moves you would make if you are serious instead of posting online while wearing a gas mask and commenting about something that your own nation is actually responsible for.
 
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what i find troubling about trump and his followers is, we have footage of him saying he liked to grab girls and women with out permission, we have footage saying he would have sex with his daughter if he could, we footage of him saying he never did something and then more footage showing that was a lie, yet his followers just make excuses.
if he does something bad his followers just make more and more excuses. im sure if it came out he did r*pe an underage girl she would be the one to be attacked, hounded and even go missing while they congratulate him.
i also find it troubling how he was a democrat for so long supporting the clintons then suddenly switches, hes dodgy, (yeah ok so are the clintons ect) but come on he doesnt even try and hide it, hes almost celebrated for it.
it makes me so uneasy especially with the amount of claims of r*pe and assault he has against him and everyone brushes it off, all most like hes the man, its encouraged, almost like the mass media is pretending to care but encouraging it combined with this increase of the battle of the sexes going on, now its funny to bunch a feminist or a suffergette on games or in social media, i find young men more and more hateful towards women (mgtow and incel) women hating men, to me its all tied together, (maybe im just some conspiracy nut i dont know) but could you imagine 10/20 years a go a video of clinton/bush sr/bush jr/regan saying grab them by the p&ssy and it being laughed off. then just looking at this site with all the pictures of adults acting ''sexy'' while dressed in infantile ways or children dressing like porn stars.
its all messed up and scary
Based on this.... I hope you post a lot more here.
 

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134325/jeffrey-epstein-miami-herald-alex-acosta-trump

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article222912360.html
Scarola, who joined the case this week, said Epstein will likely argue that it would be unfair to invalidate the deal since he complied with all of its terms.
“But,’’ Scarola said, “this was a deal he knew was illegal at the outset. The fact that you chose to rely on it doesn’t afford you any protections, especially since the aspect of the contract that was illegal you expressly argued for.’’
 

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Full disclosure, I posted this in a forum in "The Den", but unregistered users cannot access it there and it has Trump connections (again) so it belongs here as well...

A big question that is now banging on the Epstein-case door is regarding..... immunity.
So the guy gets immunity not only for himself, not only for the other KNOWN players in his child sex-trafficking ring but a blanket, mystery immunity for anyone who had any sort of even potential involvement w/the case? No matter the crime nor individual involved? Never heard of ANY sort of plea arraignment where child sex traffickers have been granted such a deal. If anyone can state another case where such extraordinary, extended immunity was given to child sex predators, Id be interested to learn of it.

So the question now becomes, what was so valuable that Epstein delivered to the Feds that they would enter into such uncharted immunity territory? Who or what did he tell on? When was that info provided and to whom? What concrete results that the Feds could point to did that info lead to? We do know that apparently Epstein basically wrote the terms of his plea-deal via Dershowitz & various other legal council under his retainer, and look who that noble warrior is defending now..... (https://mondoweiss.net/2018/12/dershowitz-criminal-billionaire/)

It has been floated in some vague references that he provided info on the Bear Sterns case, but he only worked there in the early 80s. Are we supposed to believe that he was still so well connected that his instrumental testimony saved the day for the prosecution over 3 decades later? After his short stint at BS he landed at Tower Capital International whos involvement in a massive ponzi scheme resulted in a lengthy prison stretch for its head shot caller Steven Hoffenberg..... (via wikipedia) "In 1995 Hoffenberg pleaded guilty to bilking investors out of $475 million. In 1997 Judge Robert W. Sweet sentenced him to 20 years in prison, plus a $1 million fine and $463 million in restitution. He settled a civil suit with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for $60 million. Hoffenberg is currently paying back all of the above investors debt". Upon his release, Hoffenberg (who personally hired Epstein at Tower Investments Inc) started the largest Trump presidential super-pac valued at over 50 million dollars and is currently suing Epstein himself, claiming the convicted child predator was actually the mastermind behind the fraud which led to Hoffenberg's conviction.

Apparently Epstein is a Mueller snitch as well so that counts for next to nothing in his favor while simultaneously compromising everything professionally & personally attached to Mueller himself. Mueller & the FBI.... the monsters that made the butler who outed Jiffy Jeff and his connections via the "lil black book" serve real prison time while Jiffy Jeff continued his cakewalk......
 

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Acosta gave Epstein that deal. Acosta holds a high position in trumps administration. I don’t really think mueller had much if anything to do with it tbh.. open to proof showing otherwise.

Epstein’s ring must have implicated tons of high ranking people - that’s the only way I can see this sort of deal being made, and no I’ve never heard of anything even remotely like it before.

Sexual predators in general get off light though. I had one case where a guy forced a five year old to suck how dick and got 8 months - he was poor, Hispanic and ms13. When he was released he was sent right home to his two daughters age 5 and 3. For whatever reason it’s worse to get caught stealing a purse in this country.
 

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Acosta gave Epstein that deal. Acosta holds a high position in trumps administration. I don’t really think mueller had much if anything to do with it tbh.. open to proof showing otherwise.

Epstein’s ring must have implicated tons of high ranking people - that’s the only way I can see this sort of deal being made, and no I’ve never heard of anything even remotely like it before.

Sexual predators in general get off light though. I had one case where a guy forced a five year old to suck how dick and got 8 months - he was poor, Hispanic and ms13. When he was released he was sent right home to his two daughters age 5 and 3. For whatever reason it’s worse to get caught stealing a purse in this country.
Yup. Acosta accepted an unprecedented plea arraignment for Slick Willy and Donny Tinyhands good buddy Jiffy Jeff. Donny Tinyhands then appointed him as the man in charge of federal sex-trafficking responsibilities. Tinyhands appointed him personally. Acosta has ducked and dodged, but there are quotes out there of him essentially saying he felt too threatened by Epstein & co. to do his job and make a stand for the victims. And for that, he gets his new position.......
Muellers just a fraud, desperately hoping something easy will fall into his lap that he can go against Trump w/in order to save some face. Because at present time hes moving as slow as he can and in directions far away from where Tinyhands is actually vulnerable. The Russia ish as well as campaign violations are areas where Bill/Hill/Shill/Killary are implicated up to their necks as well as Trump so I just dont see this as effective at all. Whats interesting, and perhaps telling, is that Tinyhands and Slick Willie are also connected through the Jiffy Jeff scandal, the weakest point for both men by far.... both legally and regarding public image. Yet, here we are still talking about Russia and Stormy Daniels, I see this as political theater, not a serious push by leo's.

Edit: "Sexual predators in general get off light though. I had one case where a guy forced a five year old to suck how dick and got 8 months - he was poor, Hispanic and ms13."
That must have been a small jail or he was in PC..... because regardless of gang affiliation, if someone goes behind bars with a chomo jacket, the rule for Chicano inmates (and this cuts across most gang/racial ties) is if the accusations are true (called "seeing the paperwork") then the target must be attacked on site, especially if they somehow end up as your celly. I and most others would consider it a civic duty to deal with predators like this, but if someone refuses to make the move against the chomo, they themselves will become the next target.
 
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Ehh... while it would appear to US that Epstein is the weak link and the easy target it most definately isn’t. Especially seeing as all unknown codefenfants hav already been pardoned as per the plea arrangement. That’s some serious strings to pull so my best bet is the shadow government was deeply implicated and gave him such a cushy deal in order to get that in. Which means Clinton and trump are already exonerated on that front so no point going after them..

As for mueller, he brought down the Teflon don so I wouldn’t underestimate him. Intricate investigations like that take a very long time and are more a game of chess than anything. Cohen just got three years in prison and his verdict prove trump committed felonies, that no one is pursuing that at this time must be for some significant reason imo. The only significant reason I can imagine is BIGGER FISH TO FRY. Like how the DEA will let low level offenses or dealers go to get the higher ups, or a parole agent will ignore a couple positive tox screens to rack up enough to guarantee your put away - it’s lulling someone to a false sense of security.

I don’t know if anything will come of it but if anything is ever going to come of it I think they picked the right guy. Do you have any idea how hard it was to nail gotti?
 

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Ehh... while it would appear to US that Epstein is the weak link and the easy target it most definately isn’t. Especially seeing as all unknown codefenfants hav already been pardoned as per the plea arrangement. That’s some serious strings to pull so my best bet is the shadow government was deeply implicated and gave him such a cushy deal in order to get that in. Which means Clinton and trump are already exonerated on that front so no point going after them..

As for mueller, he brought down the Teflon don so I wouldn’t underestimate him. Intricate investigations like that take a very long time and are more a game of chess than anything. Cohen just got three years in prison and his verdict prove trump committed felonies, that no one is pursuing that at this time must be for some significant reason imo. The only significant reason I can imagine is BIGGER FISH TO FRY. Like how the DEA will let low level offenses or dealers go to get the higher ups, or a parole agent will ignore a couple positive tox screens to rack up enough to guarantee your put away - it’s lulling someone to a false sense of security.

I don’t know if anything will come of it but if anything is ever going to come of it I think they picked the right guy. Do you have any idea how hard it was to nail gotti?
First paragraph..... I get what you are saying, but that is why I included this quote:
"Scarola, who joined the case this week, said Epstein will likely argue that it would be unfair to invalidate the deal since he complied with all of its terms.
“But,’’ Scarola said, “this was a deal he knew was illegal at the outset. The fact that you chose to rely on it doesn’t afford you any protections, especially since the aspect of the contract that was illegal you expressly argued for.’’
I agree w/what you are saying, thats the usual. These types of "powerful people get powerful breaks" situations aint new..... but if public pressure mounts, they WILL have to walk back this WHOLLY ILLEGAL FROM THE JUMP deal or else heads will roll. Not just politically, but you know if they dont start telling on each other to save themselves, they are likely to start offing each other.

Second paragraph - Mueller is a clown, if he was a real threat, he wouldn't be there. I have said all along that due to the fact the FBI isn't going after Trump wheres hes most vulnerable (other Russian and international situations & Epstein at the forefront) because the Clintons are in even deeper than he is.... that there will be no significant justice from these investigations. But they keep up this charade, throwing red meat to their pack the same way Trump does.... just placate the masses with rhetoric, but not results. In the end, Trump will likely "resign for the best of the country.... I did nothing wrong, but I will step down for the best of America so the witch hunts can stop".... He is unlikely to face any real repercussions for his actions and we the people will pay the price for it. Besides, that bigger fish thing is a joke..... low level crack dealers are STILL being sentenced to extended, hard time for minute amounts while major coke distributes (especially if the are the right color) have an entirely different standard applied to them. Its like the Trickle Down Economics theory in reverse.... neither is effective or even real.

Second/Third paragraph - Gotti was brought down because he turned on his own men. If it wasn't for that, even the tapes & etc. were not going to be enough.

I do want to say, perhaps it seems I have a negative outlook or am negative towards your perspective..... but I really respect your info and even if it seems like I am hardheaded on here, I value what you post and learn from it.
 
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It’s cool, people can disagree I don’t take it personally. I disagree with people all the time and it has nothing to do with whether or not I like them.

I am going to reserve some hope that trump sees Justice, muellers investigation so far highly resembles a Rico investigation and since I feel that’s most appropriate for the situation I will hope for the best, expect the worst (life motto to live by tbh).

Gotti went down because the bull flipped, quite a few of trumps “bulls” have also flipped so we will see..

The dea unit by me has been picking up low level addicts and dealers and making them informants instead, having them do controlled buys with marked money etc.. it’s been a huge thing out here and they’ve ended up breaking a couple of larger drug rings in the area as a result. I’m sure it’s different everywhere but that’s what I’ve seen happen in my area.

What happens at sentencing is desperate and different then what happens on the law enforcement level but I agree in general that the whole system is fucked.
 

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It’s cool, people can disagree I don’t take it personally. I disagree with people all the time and it has nothing to do with whether or not I like them.

I am going to reserve some hope that trump sees Justice, muellers investigation so far highly resembles a Rico investigation and since I feel that’s most appropriate for the situation I will hope for the best, expect the worst (life motto to live by tbh).

Gotti went down because the bull flipped, quite a few of trumps “bulls” have also flipped so we will see..

The dea unit by me has been picking up low level addicts and dealers and making them informants instead, having them do controlled buys with marked money etc.. it’s been a huge thing out here and they’ve ended up breaking a couple of larger drug rings in the area as a result. I’m sure it’s different everywhere but that’s what I’ve seen happen in my area.

What happens at sentencing is desperate and different then what happens on the law enforcement level but I agree in general that the whole system is fucked.
Excellent points, thank you.
About Gotti, he basically turned parts of his operation against him, and when STB flipped it was a wrap. Trump didn't really turn against them the same way Imo. At least in his public rhetoric, hes signing these guys praises up until the moment they flip, then they are the scourge of all scoundrels according to Trumps histrionics lol But STB flipped directly because of his boss' selling him out. He would have likely done his time as a man, but Gotti messed up and was disloyal himself. None of the Trump cast (including Cheetohead) has that kind of loyalty or guts..... they are flipping because the prosecutors are on their case, and thats a big difference Imo. But we shall see!
 

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Just found some amazing predictive programming relating to the current Trump administration and its..."issues"

 

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Another question I am looking into is..... just how connected are Trump and the Epstein attorney who met with, and was instrumental in, securing the now infamous deal w/Acosta..... one Jay Lefkowitz?
 

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Trump is the Devil. He is the culprit of every problem in the world including reading comprehension issues. He is so corrupt that flowers wilt when he walks by. When in doubt, blame Trump. All of the mainstream media and posters in this thread are dead on the issues with Trump.o_O I love the rational, open-minded thinking here. You guys n' gals keep up the good work. One of these days we will burn that old devil Trump. BTW, if you are constantly talking about him, he's got you. And while you are distracted by the MSM which you all by chance agree with 100.... everything else slips right by you. Hell, I live just to come to VC everyday and trash Trump and use the grounded logic that anyone who does not trash him at every turn must love him. Yall, keep on thinkin' now.
 

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Hillary and Obama... now there are two true patriots. Let's face it, there were some threads but it was nothing like what we have with Trump. And Trump naysayers now are harping on what MSM says. This board, until recently, has never had so many roll with what MSM says. By all means, carry on thinking he is the culprit of all the problems and never give him credit for low gas, ISIS subdued, etc. Heck, we should all want more unemployment with a Dem next round, lol.
 
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Hillary and Obama... now there are two true patriots. Let's face it, there were some threads but it was nothing like what we have with Trump. And Trump naysayers now are harping on what MSM says. This board, until recently, has never had so many roll with what MSM says. By all means, carry on thinking he is the culprit of all the problems and never give him credit for low gas, ISIS subdued, etc. Heck, we should all want more unemployment with a Dem next round, lol.
Perhaps you just need to accept that being a fuckwit Trumptard just isn't fashionable any more.

Have you thought of joining a Trumptard forum where you can coo about what a fantastic job he's doing with like minded Trump-tards?
 
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Perhaps you just need to accept that being a fuckwit Trumptard just isn't fashionable any more.

Have you thought of joining a Trumptard forum where you can coo about what a fantastic job he's doing with like minded Trump-tards?
Are you 11? Do you get out of the basement from time to time? Do you suffer from past reading comprehension issues and slinging about really bad insults? Checking a lot of boxes? Anyhow, yalls bad mojo has brought about the wrath of Chass now.
 
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