Categorization of men (alpha, beta, incel etc.)?

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Where do you put that in your religious and political perspective? Women's right to choose (old times and modern times)? Men's obligation to prove and market themselves? Incel's suffering? Is it just a matter of pride? Is this an example of a passive-aggressive personality? What should a man who needs and thinks he has no chance to do? Incel hate groups and violence?
 

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To be honest, some people underestimate the pain of being incel. If we did a pain scale, I would say that being incel is worse than being raped. To say "hold on bro" "this is a test from God bro" to someone who is lonely is to oversimplify this issue. Especially when the guys who say this are guys with girlfriends or wives, I curse them inside of me.
 
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What about prostitutes? Surely incels can start searching for the hookers with hearts of gold? Let's face it sex can be bought. And let's not forget all is fair in love and war? Perhaps incels can try and adopt dogs since they are man's best friend LOL. I hate to be heartless but with all the Evil crap going on in the world right now the last thing I care about is incels complaining about not getting laid? Maybe incels try and contribute something to the world besides hating women. There is more to life than sex. And for someone to compare not being able to have sex with getting raped? There are a lot worse things than being lonely such as starvation and mandatory vaccination to name just a couple. I categorize this incels bs under the same manufactured crises such as lqgbs, feminist tripe and BLACK LIES MATTER.
 
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And let's not forget about all the women that are victims of sex trafficking through out the world everyday that are forced to have sex everyday. How do incels problems compare to that? Perhaps incels can have a theme song they can rally under. I recommend "I Can't Get No Satisfaction " by the Rolling Stones LOL.
 

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To be honest, some people underestimate the pain of being incel. If we did a pain scale, I would say that being incel is worse than being raped. To say "hold on bro" "this is a test from God bro" to someone who is lonely is to oversimplify this issue. Especially when the guys who say this are guys with girlfriends or wives, I curse them inside of me.
youre going to have to explain this incel thing to me because i dont understand. what are incels doing to market and develop themselves to make them more attractive to the opposite sex?
looks/appearance can go so far, but dressing better, if thats their angle, can help a lot. beyond that, have they developed their minds and personality? their sense of humor?

i didnt have a girlfriend til i was 21. i was too shy, too weird, and too selective, and i put someone on a pedestal for years taking myself 'off the market'. but throughout those early years, i still felt i had an edge to reel in a girlfriend if i wanted to.

find your edge.
 
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I guess they don't want to follow the formalist model that modern times and women expect. They don't want to be with women who actually want an alpha male but "settle for less" (by being with them). They want to be discovered, not to content expectations and market themselves. A matter of pride. At least for those who are not ugly and whose problem is mental.
 

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I think a lot of men who are "incels" just have standards that are too high.

There aren't enough young, thin, pretty, young, outgoing, pleasant personality, ultra-feminine, did i say young? etc women for every man that wants one.
Maybe try introverted women? Or less physically high maintenance women? Women that are less social? Maybe even heavy women...if a man is not in shape why does he think he still gets a shot at the stuck up self-absorbed women?

It gets old hearing about not being able to find someone and then seeing their loooooong list of demands and criteria. Some people just have no self-awareness.

Its also annoying when a man is tall but has a total beta personality and still thinks he's alpha. No, i don't care how tall you are, if you appear submissive and unconfident thats unmanly. That short guy with confidence is more alpha. Personality matters! In both genders, no matter how much people try to deny it.

Sometimes i think men just like to complain because they always complain about the way the women theyre attracted to are, but if they meet one that doesnt behave in those ways they reject her for being too "unfeminine".

Complain about them taking an hour to get ready, but reject women that don't wear makeup. Complain about them not knowing anything about important topics, but then say that women knowing about these topics is "unfeminine". Complain about women being bad with money and shopping too much, but then rejecting women who are frugal and don't spend much on their appearance. And so on.

Make up your minds!
 
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A matter of pride LOL. What are they so proud of anyway? They want sex like women are obligated to have sex with them ? Let's not forget that every incel was given life by a woman and they should be grateful for that instead of whining about not getting sex whenever they want it. Some woman somewhere suffered for nine months so that they can live. And the best they can do is complain ? I can't think of a less sympathetic cast of characters than these so called incels. Where in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution does it say that women are obligated to have sex just because somebody wants it. I would suggest incels show some dignity or stoicism. You want sex women want something too. Like a house and car and your bank account. And why not you see them as sex providers so it's only fair that they see you as a way to gain financially.
 
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A matter of pride LOL. What are they so proud of anyway? They want sex like women are obligated to have sex with them ? Let's not forget that every incel was given life by a woman and they should be grateful for that instead of whining about not getting sex whenever they want it. Some woman somewhere suffered for nine months so that they can live. And the best they can do is complain ? I can't think of a less sympathetic cast of characters than these so called incels. Where in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution does it say that women are obligated to have sex just because somebody wants it. I would suggest incels show some dignity or stoicism. You want sex women want something too. Like a house and car and your bank account. And why not you see them as sex providers so it's only fair that they see you as a way to gain financially.
The problem is they don't want to compete with alpha males or an "alpha image". What they are angry about is "instagram image world", "career and success myth" etc. I'm here with my rich inner world and I don't want to make myself shine and market. Passive-aggressive stubbornness.
 
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Yes!! These comments on here are pure gold! It's about time people understand this! It's been frustrating me for who knows how long, now! I'm sick of the standards! I'm sick of men not being men and taking responsibility! I'm sick of women being used as their sexual objects! I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!
And yes, some men may argue that women have very high standards. They aren't totally wrong. I have actually gotten upset with a couple of women over this. They would make fun of a man's body for him having a pot belly, and they wouldn't be any prize winner themselves, but let's be true and honest, here. Men have had the standards for much longer, and far more of them still do it, hence the idea of incels.
I somewhat blame the p*rn industry and the advertisements and medias portraying women that look like complete sex objects so the men think that's what women have to do for them. Of course, this was one of the plans of the top satanists to gear more towards the depop agenda, so men and women don't get together, but what these men really need to do, is act on their natural roles of what God has given them. They need to be MEN. They need to step up, take responsibility, and love a woman for who she is instead of how she can perform in the bedroom. A manly dignified man who knows how to be a true leader is the most amazing thing to me. I'm not saying they have to be perfect, and the most handsome man out there, but they do need to step up their game and be true men.
Ok, I do have a friend that's also what people might call an incel. It infuriates me to no end, most of the time. He's decent when it comes to women not needing to wear much makeup, and they can have acne.. but his standards towards their ages and their bodies disgusts me. He expects the women to be in their late teens, early twenties most of the time, and of course, they have to be slender! He's literally torn women's bodies apart in front of me! Telling me that this girl's legs are too pointy, and oh, she has a pretty face but I'm not much into her body.. meanwhile she's still smaller than him! He's one of those guys that doesn't take much care of himself but expects the woman to.
That comes to my last point. I'm tired of these men having the highest standards out there! They always expect women to be perfect looking and have the best makeup/faces, and best bodies. And yet, they are usually average looking at best, and fat! If they so badly want to pursue these women, why don't they do something about it? Why go after someone out of their leagues if they are not going to offer the girl anything? This is why I don't believe in people going out of their leagues. There's this one man I wanted to be with so badly about four years ago, and he seemed like the right man for me..he was kind and he treated me well. I also felt that he was also a little bit out of my league so I tried to treat him a little with being more presentable, I wore some makeup on the eyes and would make sure my hair wasn't a rat's nest, you know? I also wasn't totally out of shape, either... I mean, if we are going to have any standards, we do need to also take care of ourselves. I also think that having SOME standards isn't a horrible thing, just as long as they don't get so high that it's impossible to achieve, and the person ends up looking like a massive hypocrite.
Ok, I'm done for now LOL
 

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Is the different between an incel and an omega male that an omega has self awareness instead of sense of entitlement?

Disclaimer: this does not represent my views. But its a peek into a different world, and a mind that may be just a bit warped by too much rejection

I dont recommend spending too much time browsing this site. Whether you are male or female, it WILL make you resent the opposite sex.

Visualizing Omega
11/25/2008 by CH
This post is also available in: German
In my “Defining the Alpha Male” post, I described the detritus of malehood:
Lesser Omega, [Can only get] 0s and 1s, Will never feel love; can’t keep a girl longer than 3 days, Dry spells > 5 years.
I’ve already taken you on journeys exploring the vast wastelands of the beta universe, but that was child’s play. It’s time to pull back the curtain on the shambling mounds and wretched creatures who walk among us; the monsters who inhabit the far FAR left tail of the human bell curve.
Behold, the OMEGA:


When this is the best you can do, you are a lesser omega. You aren’t at the lowest level of dreg because you haven’t dropped out of society entirely and are able, however nauseatingly, to propagate your genes. But really, why would you condemn your future ugly children to a lifetime of misery and self-loathing? The compassionate thing to do would be to refrain from reproducing.

Notice the telltale omega traits (besides his choice of mate): Lowered gaze, meek countenance, leaning into his beastly wife, feeble self-conscious smile, dumbo ears, weak chin and jawline, beady eyes. Yes, he’s in the military, but that is no guarantee of high(er) status. The bottom of the barrel often embrace the soldier’s life because it offers the only chance to raise their value. They risk death as cannon fodder for a shot at respectability. If they’re lucky, they might even return home to a hero’s welcome.


Look at the faces on the groomsmen… abject defeat. Public humiliation. Despair for their unlucky buddy. Disgust. Even the little boy knows what a bunch of losers have gathered here today. The ability to discern a human status hierarchy is ingrained from birth. And they are likely pissed that the bridesmaids are too grotesque to tap.

The brideshogs look a little less morose, probably because they understand that their less-human-than-human hogzilla sister has gotten the better end of the deal by the very fact that she managed to find a man, however pathetic, who would be willing to dump a f*** in her flabby porcine hole.


62% of American women are overweight, with no end in sight to the disfiguration of their most precious resource. They live in towns like Ninety-Six, South Carolina (yes, real name). They have no self-discipline, eating until they explode like Mr. Creosote. Is it any wonder American men with the means are choosing to meet women overseas? When more than half the women in your country have removed themselves as dating prospects, the f**kable ones in the minority raise their asking price through the roof. It’s a vicious predicament.

If you were forced at gunpoint to have sexual relations with one of these women, who would you choose, and how would you do it? The couch crease never looked so sexy.


Sloping brow lardo and inbred omega nerdo in love. Possibly they are both borderline retarded. Ugliness and stupidity correlate. No one wants to look at people like this in the office, so they will probably work at jobs in coal mines or sewage treatment plants where they don’t pollute anyone’s vista. It’s time to end all public support so the genetic lines of the omegas dies out. It’s nature’s way to cull the weak and ugly. Without the cull, the degenerate freaks reproduce, dragging the rest of humanity with them (or chasing them off into gated communities with armed guards). The modern welfare state is responsible for the coming Idiocracy. It was preordained.

You can see the rest of the pictures at this forum, and the hilarious comments in response. The groom even has a Myspace page, so it’s the real deal.

Could this lesser omega have done better with game? Yes. In fact, for a guy this ugly, dorky and meek-looking, game will be especially effective. He can go from getting crushed underneath a heap of garbage during rutting to banging non-hideous 3s and 4s. Nothing short of Steve Buscemi level fame or vast wealth will raise his sexual market value, so the only self-improvement technique at his disposal is game.

I have to think there is no way this guy can get it up for her, no matter how horny or lonely. Below some mininum female ugliness floor, every penis becomes operationally flaccid. Ugly men and good-looking men get turned on by the same hot women, just like fat men and slim men want the same slender chicks. The packaging may change, but the brain remains the same.

While there is room to settle, I think past some ugly threshold a man looks at a pseudo-woman and regardless how motivated he is by the bounty of pity in his heart and horniness in his groin, his junk isn’t going to respond. Turning the lights off doesn’t always help. If she’s fat enough, you’ll hear her blubbery hideousness bumping into furniture and pulling the sheets off the bed. You’ll sink into her cheesy folds. You’ll listen to her grunts and wheezes as she goes down on you. You’ll have to sandblast the dingleberries out of her crack before doing her from behind. Dumpster dive deep enough, and you may as well be doing a man.

If this guy leaves her and decides it makes more sense to drop a few bucks and satisfy himself with a skanky street hooker, he will actually bump himself up from lesser omega to omega. As a man, there is such a thing as ranking lower than a celibate virgin — boffing a monstrous seacow will push you below a man whose only sexual outlet is porn.
The guy running this site is a loser. Here is his "dating market value" test.

According to him what women want is a man 6'-6'4, with a prison record yet a "high status" job, who treats women like crap, picks fist fights, and is always partying. Sounds like a winner - NOT! Lol


His "dating market value" test for women is worse, but i think its already been said that men's standards are ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting that grown men are looking at 15yr old girls as potential s*x partners.
 

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Absolutely disgusting that grown men are looking at 15yr old girls as potential s*x partners.
And the crazy thing is, one of the main reasons I think these men like these young girls is cause it's so much easier for them to be thin. So disgusting. There's no reason why they should be into a girl who's not even legal! It's just no excuse.
And it's true when looking at the standards for what women want in men, yet it's usually the men who have the high standards in the first place saying this. Crazy crazy world.
 

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And the crazy thing is, one of the main reasons I think these men like these young girls is cause it's so much easier for them to be thin. So disgusting. There's no reason why they should be into a girl who's not even legal! It's just no excuse.
I agree that grown men shouldn't be into underage girls. 30-40 or older year old men need to deal with the fact that they're not young anymore. When I was a teenager i was into other teenagers lol.

About staying thin at that age, I'd say it depends. An underage girl is dependent on what her family feeds her, so whether she is thin or not is not as much in her control as a woman who does her own grocery shopping and cooking. I know my mom would absolutely not let me diet. So for me it was harder lol.

The kind of men that are super picky about women also have this saying about looking at a girl's mother to know how her body will look in the future. Except if she doesn't eat the same as her mother she won't, but thats just too abstract for them.

And it's true when looking at the standards for what women want in men, yet it's usually the men who have the high standards in the first place saying this. Crazy crazy world.
Seriously!
I mean, the article i posted basically admits that even the most unattractive men want "hot" girls.

And then the questionnaire for the women is ridiculous. I get it that men dont want fat women, but then it nitpicks everything, like shape of face, eyes, lips, jaw, forehead, stomach, boobs, butt, legs, arms,etc. Then it seriously expects a woman willing to do an*l won't curse when she talks?!

I have to conclude this is either a really bad joke or propaganda meant to set men and women against each other.
 
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I agree that grown men shouldn't be into underage girls. 30-40 or older year old men need to deal with the fact that they're not young anymore. When I was a teenager i was into other teenagers lol.

About staying thin at that age, I'd say it depends. An underage girl is dependent on what her family feeds her, so whether she is thin or not is not as much in her control as a woman who does her own grocery shopping and cooking. I know my mom would absolutely not let me diet. So for me it was harder lol.

The kind of men that are super picky about women also have this saying about looking at a girl's mother to know how her body will look in the future. Except if she doesn't eat the same as her mother she won't, but thats just too abstract for them.


Seriously!
I mean, the article i posted basically admits that even the most unattractive men want "hot" girls.

And then the questionnaire for the women is ridiculous. I get it that men dont want fat women, but then it nitpicks everything, like shape of face, eyes, lips, jaw, forehead, stomach, boobs, butt, legs, arms,etc. Then it seriously expects a woman willing to do an*l won't curse when she talks?!

I have to conclude this is either a really bad joke or propaganda meant to set men and women against each other.
Just think of the poor women who gets abducted and forced into sex trafficking. The monsters they have to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these incels wouldn't take advantage of these women themselves considering their cold hearts and lack of willing participants.
 

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Just think of the poor women who gets abducted and forced into sex trafficking. The monsters they have to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these incels wouldn't take advantage of these women themselves considering their cold hearts and lack of willing participants.
Im sure they would!
They keep referring to all women as whores and think they are entitled to women just because they exist, so there really would be nothing stopping them. Wouldn't be surprised if they abducted someone themselves.
 

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I agree that grown men shouldn't be into underage girls. 30-40 or older year old men need to deal with the fact that they're not young anymore. When I was a teenager i was into other teenagers lol.

About staying thin at that age, I'd say it depends. An underage girl is dependent on what her family feeds her, so whether she is thin or not is not as much in her control as a woman who does her own grocery shopping and cooking.
I wish they would stop being into such younger women than themselves. There's a time where they need to grow up. Heck, I know a man who's almost 60, and he likes those early twenty year olds.. it sickens me.

Maybe I was thinking that younger girls have higher metabolisms and it's easier for them to stay thin but I guess it also depends on what the parents feed them, too.

The fact that they look at the mom's body to see what the girl would look like it just sick, but also true about how it can be complicated as well.


And then the questionnaire for the women is ridiculous. I get it that men dont want fat women, but then it nitpicks everything, like shape of face, eyes, lips, jaw, forehead, stomach, boobs, butt, legs, arms,etc. Then it seriously expects a woman willing to do an*l won't curse when she talks?!
I definitely would say it's propaganda to get men and women against each other.
It seems like the top satanists are mind controlling men to objectify women, and they are mind controlling women to be the sex slaves that are being objectified..it's so awful.
The fact that they have all these standards on EVERY female body part is horrendous! If they can't take care of themselves, they have no right to judge us on our appearances.
I actually have a huge dislike for these average men, and I'm not even a shallow person! It's all because of their hypocrisy that I'm turned off of them forever. I just can't deal with it.
 

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Just think of the poor women who gets abducted and forced into sex trafficking. The monsters they have to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these incels wouldn't take advantage of these women themselves considering their cold hearts and lack of willing participants.
This would be just nasty. Sure, there may be a few men here and there that get trafficked and treated like a sex slave, but there are so many more women that deal with this and has been like this for so much longer. I can see them doing things like this. If they want to be a real man, they should step up and try to protect these women from this!
 

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Out of respect for OP of Leonardo thread i wanted to respond to the conversation here

It's not just studies. I have a brother, male cousins, friends, Co workers etc. I speak to men lol. I don't care for entitlement, all I did was point out that youth and beauty are typically primary things men look at when it comes to women. That's not a conspiracy. Leo Di Caprio is another topic altogether though.
Yes, most of my friends growing up have been male. Im not one of those "ultragirly" personality type of women, and i have spoken to many real life men, probably more than women.

They are not all into women younger than 22. They for the most part want women their age or a few years younger.

As for physical appearance, their tastes vary, but i do know that most don't want women who are overweight or with short hair. Other than that tastes vary.

And i know on the internet there is a large subculture of men who act like anything older than early 20's or higher than 18 bmi is beneath them, but then theyre whining that they can't find anyone. I wonder why lol

I also believe that if those men weren't enabling each other to think this way by hyping each other up, they would be more realistic about their expectations. Theyre not rich celebrities. If youre some random office worker or something in your 40s what would possibly make you think you are entitled to women half your age?

The conspiracy part comes in where the elites have openly talked about wanting depopulation and if they get people to voluntarily stop mating because of unrealistic standards from both sides you have a factor in depopulation.

Women in their 30s are not old, or infertile. Yet a bunch of these internet men believe women can only have children in their early 20s. That is not true.

I'm speaking for most women lol. You don't speak to everyone you meet and get to know them first, and the things you mentioned are rarely what most people notice first.
I didn't say anything about speaking to anyone or everyone. I said things like confidence, body language and mannerisms indicate personality and can increase or decrease attraction. None of these involve having to speak TO someone. They are visible, but also indicate the person's personality or temperament.

A low confidence person (bad hunched posture, lowered gaze, insecure body language) will appear more unattractive than a person with good posture, open and welcoming body language regardless of purely physical (genetic) characteristics. Especially when it comes to men. I have never heard of a woman respecting a low confidence man.

Your are free to disagree.
 

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But if the average Joe had the ressources to pull a younger model he damn sure would
Just taking this from the Leo thread. Wow this is crazy, seriously? You believe this? Would you think it's alright if the woman had these standards, were a fair amount older and the man had to be very good looking that it would be alright? And I know that Red Hook is a woman and feeding this! She's at it again! Don't understand this mentality, it makes my head hurt!


Women in their 30s are not old, or infertile. Yet a bunch of these internet men believe women can only have children in their early 20s.
Exactly, this is what I don't understand, either. If this were the truth like they believe it is, us women would reach menopause by our 30s, because if we are so infertile by then, what's the point of having our menstrual cycles until at least our late 40s? Just no logic!
 

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Lol if the "average" joe had those resources then the bar would be set even higher lol. He would have to stand out from the "average". It just makes no sense.

And the way she refuses to acknowledge that homosexual relationships are just as "transactional" is just too much. I guess she doesnt believe that young homosexual men are often groomed and taken advantage of by old homosexual men. Isnt that the leftist narrative? How these youth are so much more vulnerable than straight people? But i guess when it conveniences them the narrative changes.

As for normal relationships, if not having to go to work and deal with bosses and clients while my husband pays the bills makes it "transactional", what exactly is the problem? I DON'T WANT THE ADDED STRESS OF A JOB while having young kids, which i want. What is the problem with this exactly? Is it one of those "women should have choices unless theyre choices i disagree with so then i will constantly put them down" things?
Exactly, this is what I don't understand, either. If this were the truth like they believe it is, us women would reach menopause by our 30s, because if we are so infertile by then, what's the point of having our menstrual cycles until at least our late 40s? Just no logic!
Yeah exactly. Even back in the old pre-feminism days women had kids up into their 40s, it was just usually their 5th kid or so at least.

But they keep moving the goalposts and "infertile" then means not able to have 8 kids of something, of course them assuming that the woman wants that many also. But if she doesnt she must be a feminist because everybody KNOWS all women want enough kids to fill up a sports team!

Both sides are so illogical, thats all i have to say.
 
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