Catching up to COVID-19

A.J.

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I felt compelled to pick it up on the present by starting a new thread. Here’s a few of my observations....


My wife works in a lab in PA and she reports that a majority of the recent tests are negative. It’s summer, the numbers should decrease.


More of my personal observations:
  • Rate of testing in any given period (the amount of testing) is important
  • + vs - result (how many of those tests are negative vs. how many are positive) is also important
  • # of hospitalization / # of death due to COVID-19 (and other preconditions). As well as age and living arrangement is also important info to have.
When I hear a report it’s usually presented as a spike with no further context. Whether it’s a state just opening up or one of these local states that have been ghost towns for months.

Our governor in my home state of nj talks about data but cannot point to any specific data when pressed, ignores his own health officials, and can’t explain what markers he uses to arbitrarily close, open or delay certain types of businesses.

  • Im warming up (or maybe just resigned) to wearing a mask. But if the masks are so effective (and obviously mandatory when entering stores in NJ and many other states) why are so many businesses remain CLOSED? We should be able to do reasonable social distance adjustments in addition to masks and open up just about everything. I have observed outdoor events, usually around drinking establishments where people are on top of each other without masks (there is probably a greater risk in that). Maybe just alcohol should be banned, due to impaired judgment.....?
  • On a personal note, I remain skeptical and always seek consistency in these matters especially when our governor has not been. Pics of him at events (mostly photo-ops) continue to surface showing a lack of social distancing and/or mask wearing, including the protests from a little while ago, but even just random events and publicity shots.
  • When I wear my mask, my little protest is I always wear it beneath my nose. Im conscious of my breathing which is very controlled and if I find myself closer to others I usually lift it back up by a slight touch to the very end of the mask. There is no way Im spreading anything. I also got tested twice from my job (negative on both counts) and the tests will be weekly unless we've recovered from the virus.
  • A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)

I dont see how this is not all going to be normalized, including temp checks, mandatory vax for work and schools, and some form of tracking. I find all of these precautions bordering on loony based on my skeptical review of various factors that simply dont add up.


Regarding schools, Rand Paul sites valid stats and dopey Fauci just chuckles and lies....


Interesting tidbits:

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population





 






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I felt compelled to pick it up on the present by starting a new thread. Here’s a few of my observations....


My wife works in a lab in PA and she reports that a majority of the recent tests are negative. It’s summer, the numbers should decrease.


More of my personal observations:
  • Rate of testing in any given period (the amount of testing) is important
  • + vs - result (how many of those tests are negative vs. how many are positive) is also important
  • # of hospitalization / # of death due to COVID-19 (and other preconditions). As well as age and living arrangement is also important info to have.
When I hear a report it’s usually presented as a spike with no further context. Whether it’s a state just opening up or one of these local states that have been ghost towns for months.

Our governor in my home state of nj talks about data but cannot point to any specific data when pressed, ignores his own health officials, and can’t explain what markers he uses to arbitrarily close, open or delay certain types of businesses.

  • Im warming up (or maybe just resigned) to wearing a mask. But if the masks are so effective (and obviously mandatory when entering stores in NJ and many other states) why are so many businesses remain CLOSED? We should be able to do reasonable social distance adjustments in addition to masks and open up just about everything. I have observed outdoor events, usually around drinking establishments where people are on top of each other without masks (there is probably a greater risk in that). Maybe just alcohol should be banned, due to impaired judgment.....?
  • On a personal note, I remain skeptical and always seek consistency in these matters especially when our governor has not been. Pics of him at events (mostly photo-ops) continue to surface showing a lack of social distancing and/or mask wearing, including the protests from a little while ago, but even just random events and publicity shots.
  • When I wear my mask, my little protest is I always wear it beneath my nose. Im conscious of my breathing which is very controlled and if I find myself closer to others I usually lift it back up by a slight touch to the very end of the mask. There is no way Im spreading anything. I also got tested twice from my job (negative on both counts) and the tests will be weekly unless we've recovered from the virus.
  • A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)

I dont see how this is not all going to be normalized, including temp checks, mandatory vax for work and schools, and some form of tracking. I find all of these precautions bordering on loony based on my skeptical review of various factors that simply dont add up.


Regarding schools, Rand Paul sites valid stats and dopey Fauci just chuckles and lies....


Interesting tidbits:

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population





My understanding is that states that are reopening in the northeast are phasing in reopening starting with lower risk businesses and moving to higher risk business environments so that if there is a spike during the process they can halt or reverse course. NJ is the only state that hasn’t seen cases go up over the last couple weeks. That’s a good thing. From what I hear from friends and family your all pretty much wearing your masks etc.

Pennsylvania’s governor is under such pressure that the plan he had which was very similar to NJ’s has been entirely abandoned and Practically everything’s open while mask compliance (despite it being law) varies greatly by which town your in. My town - no ones wearing it, not even the employees in the store. Down by where I work? A half hour away - everyone is wearing them and the stores won’t let you in without one or atleast try to stop you or say something. Our cases are climbing back up. Lackawanna county (work) is mad at Susquehanna county (Home) and blaming us already for eventual re-closures.

I think the masks and the hepa filters which were just recommended are good ideas and if used could help us get back to normal a lot quicker personally. I’m also not wearing a mask by my house because I don’t want a target on my head if some sort of purge happens in the near future. It’s a no win situation no matter how you look at it.

as for schools I think it’s more complicated then “kids rarely die” - kids aren’t the only people in schools. Teachers and staff are there too. And as someone who works in a school most of the time - kids are germ vectors on a good day, most of us who work in schools get sick frequently during the school year because kids come to school sick and have horrendous hygiene habits. It’s very difficult if not impossible to implement the pandemic guidelines in a school environment. Especially with special needs kids. Teachers are in an uproar about reopening because they understand this and it’s their lives that are going to be at risk. On top of all that schools are underfunded and understaffed to begin with - if one kid or teacher gets sick that takes out a good percentage of the staff available. Who’s going to sign up to substitute under these conditions?

I don’t work for the school.. I’m an outside provider of ABA services and I follow my client. If he’s in school, I’m in school. If he’s home, I’m at his home. I’m a lot more comfortable with working with him at home even without a mask then I am working with him in school with one. There’s too many variables involved once school reopens that risk is not easily mitigated. And again, the risk isn’t so much to the kids as it is to the staff. There’s a lot more risk to the staff in a school then there is to someone working at a grocery or retail store or restaurant etc. These kids cough and sneeze on us, won’t keep masks on, wipe their snot on us, get sent to school sick regularly etc. I could see the higher grades having less issues with this then the lower ones. I’m in an elementary. I imagine it’s more easily mitigated in a high school tbh. But the kids that really need the hands on instruction and for whom schools being closed present childcare issues - we are talking about the younger grades And special needs students here. Not typically functioning high school students that could stay home alone (while parents work) and do distance learning without issue.
 






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So Betsy Devos today said "only" .02% of kids are likely to die when they go back to school.

That's 14,740 children.
No mention of how many teachers.
Cruella DeVoss

**** This quote is from a July 9 press conference. Here's a summary:
But before she gets away, Pence stops her, suggests she ‘talk about that other thing about the children’. She hesitates, then agrees.
She comes back up to the mic, says most children probably won’t die. Maybe 0.02%. And usually the ones who die were already sick, so you parents at home may want to keep an eye on them. Oh- and we have virtually no data on how transmissible the virus is in children because we’ve barely tested any of them, but let me get out of your hair.
Pence comes back and says, see, we’re good here.
I will say this.. my son was already doing cyber school but wanted to go back to regular school in September. He will not be returning. My daughter was supposed to start preschool. That is being delayed. I might be forced back into a school building but my children will certainly not be anywhere near one. Even if that means juggling childcare and struggling to figure it out when heating season gets really busy.
 






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This guy’s been consistently inconsistent (despite his arrogance and air of unquestioned authority).....

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I felt compelled to pick it up on the present by starting a new thread. Here’s a few of my observations....


My wife works in a lab in PA and she reports that a majority of the recent tests are negative. It’s summer, the numbers should decrease.


More of my personal observations:
  • Rate of testing in any given period (the amount of testing) is important
  • + vs - result (how many of those tests are negative vs. how many are positive) is also important
  • # of hospitalization / # of death due to COVID-19 (and other preconditions). As well as age and living arrangement is also important info to have.
When I hear a report it’s usually presented as a spike with no further context. Whether it’s a state just opening up or one of these local states that have been ghost towns for months.

Our governor in my home state of nj talks about data but cannot point to any specific data when pressed, ignores his own health officials, and can’t explain what markers he uses to arbitrarily close, open or delay certain types of businesses.

  • Im warming up (or maybe just resigned) to wearing a mask. But if the masks are so effective (and obviously mandatory when entering stores in NJ and many other states) why are so many businesses remain CLOSED? We should be able to do reasonable social distance adjustments in addition to masks and open up just about everything. I have observed outdoor events, usually around drinking establishments where people are on top of each other without masks (there is probably a greater risk in that). Maybe just alcohol should be banned, due to impaired judgment.....?
  • On a personal note, I remain skeptical and always seek consistency in these matters especially when our governor has not been. Pics of him at events (mostly photo-ops) continue to surface showing a lack of social distancing and/or mask wearing, including the protests from a little while ago, but even just random events and publicity shots.
  • When I wear my mask, my little protest is I always wear it beneath my nose. Im conscious of my breathing which is very controlled and if I find myself closer to others I usually lift it back up by a slight touch to the very end of the mask. There is no way Im spreading anything. I also got tested twice from my job (negative on both counts) and the tests will be weekly unless we've recovered from the virus.
  • A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)

I dont see how this is not all going to be normalized, including temp checks, mandatory vax for work and schools, and some form of tracking. I find all of these precautions bordering on loony based on my skeptical review of various factors that simply dont add up.


Regarding schools, Rand Paul sites valid stats and dopey Fauci just chuckles and lies....


Interesting tidbits:

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

this guy has been consistently inconsistent....







 






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I will always keep pointing to this..

Because I think that is really the whole issue. Getting trump gone. They’ve tried to take him out with metoo/Stormy Daniels and his talk on tape with Billy Bush that got Bush fired which meant that trump should be too?

They tried to get him on a made up offense with Russian collision and couldn’t make that stick because it was made up and there was no evidence of it. Nailed him with political impeachment and no evidence at all of Ukrainian influence ignoring that Joe Biden has more influence with his son working for a Ukraine company..ahem. When that didn‘t work to smear him with his base they decided to put Maher’s plan into use because screeching about and lying about trump in the msm for the last four years hasn’t had any affect at all. Mostly because we all knew it was lies anyway and tuned them out.

So they come down to a fake virus started with another Joe Biden ally..China. China who trump had pressured into renegotiating a trade agreement that was more fair to the US then the deal at the time has cause to go along with this scamdemic idea. World leaders also don’t like trump as he exposes them for what they are on a daily basis.

So the dems who nominated a dementia candidate and can’t win with said candidate ..

Has decide that a scandemic and violent race wars are one way to wreck trump with an incompetence smear and not knowing about viruses he puts together a team that he thinks is on his side but regularly set him up and get him to sign on to guidelines that they know we don’t need becaus it’s a scam!


The virus overruled the flu..we heard nothing about the flu after they found the virus and more importantly after the race wars started we also didn’t here anything at all about covid while that was going on but afterward to cover that up..
Oopsy!

But funny how the virus is racist itself..and maybe that’s why it all melds together in their minds?

It’s also amazing how an essential business is abortions but not church..church is a bigger source for the virus then even rioters..who would have thought that? O wait maybe trumps political opponents since they believe that the evangelicals were responsible for his election in the first place?

Anyway..the virus and the masks and the states with the ‘most cases’ New York..California are still mostly closed because God forbid they reopen all the way and start the economy going again before the election. Which is why we are all told to wear masks and we keep getting new cases..yet the deaths so prevalent in the beginning to almost nothing...But don’t be fooled they don’t want you to think this is over..at lest until the election is done and they win!

Why don’t we hear about ventilators anymore? Don’t we need them to stop people from dying? Or was that just done to make trump look incompetent?

Some people don’t think this was the goal all along but I’ve known this from the beginning. With the msm squarely in the dem camp..that’s all it could have been.

Edit: I’ll also add this as evidence to wreck our economy..how could biden beat this record as he’s been in politics for the last 40 years? Trump was making America great again!
 






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This guy’s been consistently inconsistent (despite his arrogance and air of unquestioned authority).....

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Hydroxychloroquine with azithromyacin. My guess is the azithromycin has more than a little bit to do with that based on personal anecdotes from people I know who’ve had Covid. Every agency and politician has been lying about everything since the very beginning. One story one day, another story the next.

I’m not basing anything I say or think on any of them. Mask shortages started in January.. so I figured if everyone’s buying them they probably have a good reason. My brother lived in japan for quite some time and swears by them. Countries that adopted them Or already used them have lower rates of infection and death.

the hepa filters... back in March a lot of calls started coming into hvac companies from rich people wanting them installed in their homes. Good enough indicator for me at the time.

schools... I work in them. I know how fast any and all contagious things spread in them and I know it always effects staff more then kids but is carried in by kids. I was sick with some respiratory thing that was going around for two months starting last November. Every time I got rid of it I seemed to catch it again. Schools are germ breeding grounds.
 






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I will always keep pointing to this..

Because I think that is really the whole issue. Getting trump gone. They’ve tried to take him out with metoo/Stormy Daniels and his talk on tape with Billy Bush that got Bush fired which meant that trump should be too?

They tried to get him on a made up offense with Russian collision and couldn’t make that stick because it was made up and there was no evidence of it. Nailed him with political impeachment and no evidence at all of Ukrainian influence ignoring that Joe Biden has more influence with his son working for a Ukraine company..ahem. When that didn‘t work to smear him with his base they decided to put Maher’s plan into use because screeching about and lying about trump in the msm for the last four years hasn’t had any affect at all. Mostly because we all knew it was lies anyway and tuned them out.

So they come down to a fake virus started with another Joe Biden ally..China. China who trump had pressured into renegotiating a trade agreement that was more fair to the US then the deal at the time has cause to go along with this scamdemic idea. World leaders also don’t like trump as he exposes them for what they are on a daily basis.

So the dems who nominated a dementia candidate and can’t win with said candidate ..

Has decide that a scandemic and violent race wars are one way to wreck trump with an incompetence smear and not knowing about viruses he puts together a team that he thinks is on his side but regularly set him up and get him to sign on to guidelines that they know we don’t need becaus it’s a scam!


The virus overruled the flu..we heard nothing about the flu after they found the virus and more importantly after the race wars started we also didn’t here anything at all about covid while that was going on but afterward to cover that up..
Oopsy!

But funny how the virus is racist itself..and maybe that’s why it all melds together in their minds?

It’s also amazing how an essential business is abortions but not church..church is a bigger source for the virus then even rioters..who would have thought that? O wait maybe trumps political opponents since they believe that the evangelicals were responsible for his election in the first place?

Anyway..the virus and the masks and the states with the ‘most cases’ New York..California are still mostly closed because God forbid they reopen all the way and start the economy going again before the election. Which is why we are all told to wear masks and we keep getting new cases..yet the deaths so prevalent in the beginning to almost nothing...But don’t be fooled they don’t want you to think this is over..at lest until the election is done and they win!

Why don’t we hear about ventilators anymore? Don’t we need them to stop people from dying? Or was that just done to make trump look incompetent?

Some people don’t think this was the goal all along but I’ve known this from the beginning. With the msm squarely in the dem camp..that’s all it could have been.

Edit: I’ll also add this as evidence to wreck our economy..how could biden beat this record as he’s been in politics for the last 40 years? Trump was making America great again!
lisa, the Democrats need Florida just as badly as trump does. Why would it make sense for Florida to be an epicenter when they need Florida to win? Florida is going to be a mess in November. i haven’t checked to see if the Democrats need Florida more than trump does, but that might be possible. So it makes no sense for Florida to be plagued.

This is not directed at you lisa, but about the hydroxychloroquine thing. It is interesting to notice how similar covid is to malaria.

with malaria, the red blood cell is infected. I personally think the red blood cell is the host with covid that Is accessed through the lungs. You could say that covid has these similarities because of a zoonotic origin, but it does seem to be very similar to an airborne form of malaria.

this will probably never be discussed openly and there will continue being articles slowly showing how this disease process works as though it were just being figured out, but the point is that if hydroxychloroquine works, it is because of its similarities to malaria. Make of that what you will.

if hydroxychloroquine works, this is serious and cannot be considered a hoax. There are boundaries that help establish reality. It is important to find these boundaries.

However, even if there are similarities to malaria, this doesn’t mean this medication would be the best fit either. Just like it is not the best solution to malaria on its own either.

this is an article about how covid is potentially a blood vessel disease which is relevant to you lisa because it explains why genetic groups that are predisposed to hypertension are at risk. It is not a racist disease.


this is Wikipedia’s description of malaria symptoms.

“Malaria causes symptoms that typically include fever, tiredness, vomiting, and headaches. In severe cases it can cause yellow skin, seizures, coma, or death. Symptoms usually begin ten to fifteen days after being bitten by an infected mosquito. If not properly treated, people may have recurrences of the disease months later. In those who have recently survived an infection, reinfection usually causes milder symptoms. This partial resistance disappears over months to years if the person has no continuing exposure to malaria.”


does that sound familiar? I know a lot of people around here like natural remedies in place of allopathic medicine, but there is a lot of precision that has been gained in allopathic medicine using microscopes and other tools that the general public doesn’t have access to, which allow people to study disease processes. These people are not stupid people who are susceptible to hoaxes. This is a real condition, because you may be able to get healthcare professionals to play along with something, but only if that something demonstrates certain features that allow it to fit in with their existing reality like an actual medical condition is capable of.

People get sent home from the er with sniffles. People are diagnosed with allergies Without diagnostic testing. People don’t get admitted to a hospital unless you present to a doctor and staff that you are a sick person who needs help managing symptoms.

I still think it was engineered even though the mainstream sources will say that has been ruled out already.

and you stopped hearing about ventilators lisa, because most facilities aren’t using them. An article I read the other day was talking about using echo instead. It’s like an external lung or if you are familiar with dialysis, it is like dialysis only it is oxygenating the blood with a similar process.

they are using this in more critical situations instead of vents and high flow oxygen in other cases, but ventilators have been avoided for the most part.


the article points out that ecmo is usually used when a vent doesn’t work. That is usually true and I can’t find the article saying they were using them instead of ventilators, but it was in Houston That they were doing this and skipping ventilators altogether.
 






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I don’t think the virus is a hoax, I think the response is a hoax. I think you could make a case that similar precautions could have been mandated for certain strains of influenza. Do I think the risk is worth the mandate. No.
So we have to find a way to coexist. I think we should split up the country. I don’t want my fellow citizens to thank I’m a heartless s.o.b., but I also don’t want bureaucrats with special interests dictating how I need to live. I don’t want to see anyone used or manipulated on either side of the political divide.
 






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I need to correct myself, I confused the below portion (a test for past infection) with the viral test. I don’t know what to think at this point. I am uncomfortable with the response based on a general risk analysis. I also find it confusing that you can have antibodies from the same family but not the right kind. Seems like all the bases are covered to drag this thing along.

There are no more stages in NJ anymore it seems. Just mandated masks even for outdoors. And no end in sight for shutting down nonessentials in NJ based on the increase in testing and related spikes in various red states that tried to go back to normal (and 14 day quarantine if visiting those states). Murphy is making up the rules as he goes at this point. It seems he threw his previous plan out the window and we are locked in to the current stage indefinitely.

Im also tired of folks shouting thru their masks in an effort to understand each other......

I don’t care anymore. Bring on the end times....

On a side note, I went to Lancaster PA last weekend and it felt like things were more reasonable. Still plenty of precautions but not too over the top. Amish are business as usual.


“A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)”
I felt compelled to pick it up on the present by starting a new thread. Here’s a few of my observations....


My wife works in a lab in PA and she reports that a majority of the recent tests are negative. It’s summer, the numbers should decrease.


More of my personal observations:
  • Rate of testing in any given period (the amount of testing) is important
  • + vs - result (how many of those tests are negative vs. how many are positive) is also important
  • # of hospitalization / # of death due to COVID-19 (and other preconditions). As well as age and living arrangement is also important info to have.
When I hear a report it’s usually presented as a spike with no further context. Whether it’s a state just opening up or one of these local states that have been ghost towns for months.

Our governor in my home state of nj talks about data but cannot point to any specific data when pressed, ignores his own health officials, and can’t explain what markers he uses to arbitrarily close, open or delay certain types of businesses.

  • Im warming up (or maybe just resigned) to wearing a mask. But if the masks are so effective (and obviously mandatory when entering stores in NJ and many other states) why are so many businesses remain CLOSED? We should be able to do reasonable social distance adjustments in addition to masks and open up just about everything. I have observed outdoor events, usually around drinking establishments where people are on top of each other without masks (there is probably a greater risk in that). Maybe just alcohol should be banned, due to impaired judgment.....?
  • On a personal note, I remain skeptical and always seek consistency in these matters especially when our governor has not been. Pics of him at events (mostly photo-ops) continue to surface showing a lack of social distancing and/or mask wearing, including the protests from a little while ago, but even just random events and publicity shots.
  • When I wear my mask, my little protest is I always wear it beneath my nose. Im conscious of my breathing which is very controlled and if I find myself closer to others I usually lift it back up by a slight touch to the very end of the mask. There is no way Im spreading anything. I also got tested twice from my job (negative on both counts) and the tests will be weekly unless we've recovered from the virus.
  • A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)

I dont see how this is not all going to be normalized, including temp checks, mandatory vax for work and schools, and some form of tracking. I find all of these precautions bordering on loony based on my skeptical review of various factors that simply dont add up.


Regarding schools, Rand Paul sites valid stats and dopey Fauci just chuckles and lies....


Interesting tidbits:

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population





 






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I need to correct myself, I confused the below portion (a test for past infection) with the viral test. I don’t know what to think at this point. I am uncomfortable with the response based on a general risk analysis. I also find it confusing that you can have antibodies from the same family but not the right kind. Seems like all the bases are covered to drag this thing along.

There are no more stages in NJ anymore it seems. Just mandated masks even for outdoors. And no end in sight for shutting down nonessentials in NJ based on the increase in testing and related spikes in various red states that tried to go back to normal (and 14 day quarantine if visiting those states). Murphy is making up the rules as he goes at this point. It seems he threw his previous plan out the window and we are locked in to the current stage indefinitely.

Im also tired of folks shouting thru their masks in an effort to understand each other......

I don’t care anymore. Bring on the end times....

On a side note, I went to Lancaster PA last weekend and it felt like things were more reasonable. Still plenty of precautions but not too over the top. Amish are business as usual.


“A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last. (per the CDC)”
All my friends and family In NJ are back at work. My cousins hair salon reopened. My best friend went back to managing her salon. We just went to the safari at great adventure and a local park a couple weeks ago. Maybe I’m missing it.. what isn’t open in NJ?
 






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Ya..let’s just say it will last 2 years..why not? It is a presidential election year after all..
US warned coronavirus will last 2 more years and force 'American way of life to change'
The US has been hit hardest by coronavirus with more than 133,000 Americans falling victim to the horrific disease which continues to spread across the country – and could be around for two more years

States Starting to Crack Down on Coronavirus Rule Breakers

It’s Trump’s call on what the GOP convention will look like


Hmmm..Is that the state holding the gop convention?
As US grapples with virus, Florida hits record case increase
 






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Good question..I went to the post office the other day and they were telling people that they didn’t have much change..so either you give them a cc or don’t get exact change back! Idk, the person paid with cc.
Coin shortage hits nation: What happened to all the change?
 






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Why would it make sense for Florida to be an epicenter when they need Florida to win?
That’s why..
Jacksonville attorneys file lawsuit to block city from hosting Republican National Convention amid pandemic
 






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Good question..I went to the post office the other day and they were telling people that they didn’t have much change..so either you give them a cc or don’t get exact change back! Idk, the person paid with cc.
Coin shortage hits nation: What happened to all the change?
i would imagine that the governments mints shut down and didnt mint enough coins... at least that would be their official line. the real reason is they want to get rid of physical money and roll out the new "economic reset" to track your transactions. its the perfect time to do so, especially if they start to push the narrative that physical coins and bills carry the flu virus. frank badfingers got a thread on the economic reset topic.
 






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Lisa

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i would imagine that the governments mints shut down and didnt mint enough coins... at least that would be their official line. the real reason is they want to get rid of physical money and roll out the new "economic reset" to track your transactions. its the perfect time to do so, especially if they start to push the narrative that physical coins and bills carry the flu virus. frank badfingers got a thread on the economic reset topic.
I’m actually shocked they didn’t say the virus is transmitted through the handling of money..they could have done that easily and every person in the world would have given up their money right then..but they didn’t do that...
 






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