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There is an American boy band out now called Pretty Much, but I don't think they are popular.

How are acts like NCTee and Monst@x holding up? Are they gaining traction or is B+S really holding it down for being the top boy band internationally?
 

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Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg

So true! What if they're collecting info while receiving payment so they can drop everything at once if push comes to shove? We all know they're not clean.

Too I always heard Kfans be in the know about the rumors and gossip, but they keep ifans in the dark. I think they know things too.

The rumored girl was Suran for dating YG. She quickly had to deny it via her insta.

Sometimes I think dating scandals aren't real and are used to distract from something else; much like how we do here in America. (Like the dating scandal between Jennie from BP and Kai in 3XO.)
 

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Bighit pays them a lot of money but I just know one day they'll air everything.. once bts has to be getting rid of in a way that will tarnish them, orsomeone making a mistake.. just like yg
I don't think they will air everything out. Because this group have "made history" in the eyes of their people. With everything they did abroad. They were the first of a lot of things. So their company or whatever will make a place for this group where people/tourist can visit and relive those moments they have created. Thus still earning money. So they can't let that star be tarnished by anything.


He didnt say they were a couple.. but he said I think they are hanging out now.. (at 1:30 am) with a smirk straight to the cam .
I don't know if he is salty over them excluding him or being bold.. either way, here is a new addition to jk "I joined because of rm" - he thought rm was handsome. Ah this boy is whipped for all of them (or so it shall appear)

http://instagr.am/p/BynWOpto-Ol/
I bet he wanted to say I though he was this tough strong rapper but in reality he was a scared amateur young guy. This whole story about him accepting bshit offer because of him is weird isn't it? He was still a kid so to me it looks like nj fooled the poor kid with sweet talk.

That video was long but It had some genuine reactions. Specially when they talked about th and jamal "changes". Maybe the stuff they said was cut and scripted but their facial reaction showed they had to deal with a lot of stuff. You could clearly see that genie, jamal and th didn't like the hiphop style at all. And talked about after "fire" they started to shine since it switched to flower boy mode. But when they did the auditioning or were chosen they didn't know it was going to be a hiphop group?? I guess not. Why did their people do something like that I wonder? Maybe this was the plan since the begining.
 
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I don't think they will air everything out. Because this group have "made history" in the eyes of their people. With everything they did abroad. They were the first of a lot of things. So their company or whatever will make a place for this group where people/tourist can visit and relive those moments they have created. Thus still earning money. So they can't let that star be tarnished by anything.
Well the same could be said about Big Bang, GG etc, on different scales, but these groups were well known internationally and toured abroad. They did fill stadiums in Japan. Not to mention Psy who was the biggest viral phenomenon of 2012. There is not guanrantee for anything, especially when the next big thing comes along. Do you really think people will bother visiting their museum when their hype had died down? I think not. I highly doubt the general public in Korea thinks as highly of BTS as media makes it out to be. I mean no one can verify the ridiculous numbers related to their impact on the economy and anyone with a brain will come to that conclusion. Either way boy band popularity never lasts, they will be irrelevant in the west soon even if the cancel military service. I feel sorry for the nation if BTS is their ”national pride”. Calling an androgynous pop band singing westernized music is your national pride is kinda sad. It’s like saying Justin Bieber is Canadas national pride lol. I don’t think Canadians would appreciate that. I don’t think the next pop phenomenon will be a traditional boyband much less a Kpop band. These things come in cycles and new concepts need to be introduced.
 
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@Dove28 said that their chart looks a lot like that of bt5 especially about attracting public attention.
Ate's and B*S chart are only similar because of Lilith in the 10th. They have a strong public image that can make others obsessed. Overall, B*S chart is very different from Ates. But imo weaker as B*S strength according to their Midheaven is media based platforms (Gemini) and air midheavens are dependant on engaging with others for success and fame. And in the sign of Gemini, it can flucuate or go many directions. All it DOES takes is a scandal and BTS image is tainted. Dispatch may be protecting them but all it takes is someone being pissed for not getting what they want.

Ates midheaven is in Capricorn and ruled by Saturn so public success depends on what the business does via promotional activities and who KQ knows. It's pure business that require stragetic planning, hard work, investments, etc.

I'm currently studying Jyotish astrology which imo has it's stronger strengths than tropical/western astrology.

But ates has:
1.Exalted Mars in Capricorn in the 10th and Ketu (headless demon/dragon). This indicates that there is a aggressive passion to achieve top hierarchy within the entertainment business and they'll do unconventional ways that may piss off social hierarchies (i.e. Big 3)
They will be powerful because again, Mars is exalted in Capricorn. The CEO or whoever will come up with very brand new ideas to give Ates success (i.e. Hala Hala). Because of Ketu in the 10th, KQ Entertainment may actually not "know their place" in the public eye and don't care because they are detached. This will piss off higher ups for some reason.
2.They also have Rahu (also a demon) in the 4th which means there is a compulsive need to be on top (4th/10th house axis). They have a hunger to dig up treasures and posses them. (in Vedic astrology, the 4th house represents underground treasures from lands and properties) Kind of ironic as their whole brand is "pirates finding treasures".
3.Lord/Ruler of Ketu (Saturn) is friendly in the sign Sagittarius in the 9th of foreign travels. Global success is promising.

In 2021 they'll sell a lot of albums similar to EXO in 2013 and BTS in 2016 or 2017. I don't remember. Just think "millions". The solar return states this. Jupiter in the 2nd house is all I need to confirm it.
 
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There is an American boy band out now called Pretty Much, but I don't think they are popular.

How are acts like NCTee and Monst@x holding up? Are they gaining traction or is B+S really holding it down for being the top boy band internationally?
Pretty Much is not popular because sorry to say, a lot of buying American fans (mostly white teens) want an ALL white group. I mean look who struggled the most and received the most racism from 1D and 5th Harmony.
 

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Well the same could be said about Big Bang, GG etc, on different scales, but these groups were well known internationally and toured abroad. They did fill stadiums in Japan. Not to mention Psy who was the biggest viral phenomenon of 2012. There is not guanrantee for anything, especially when the next big thing comes along. Do you really think people will bother visiting their museum when their hype had died down? I think not. I highly doubt the general public in Korea thinks as highly of BTS as media makes it out to be. I mean no one can verify the ridiculous numbers related to their impact on the economy and anyone with a brain will come to that conclusion. Either way boy band popularity never lasts, they will be irrelevant in the west soon even if the cancel military service. I feel sorry for the nation if BTS is their ”national pride”. Calling an androgynous pop band singing westernized music is your national pride is kinda sad. It’s like saying Justin Bieber is Canadas national pride lol. I don’t think Canadians would appreciate that. I don’t think the next pop phenomenon will be a traditional boyband much less a Kpop band. These things come in cycles and new concepts need to be introduced.
There is a smt0wn. They might do a hall of fame later on for this company too. Or even their gov. doing a building like that. The next big thing that goes worldwide is sponsored by some people that they become the it group. Because for that you need money and a lot of connection. Psy had only one song that went viral on youtube. Nobody understood the lyrics but the funny mv and song combined sounded like a song for children at the time. B-b is something else. They had an impact domestically and bt5 had one abroad. Japan is a rich country but still they can't compare to the rest of the world at least population wise.


Well before bt5 this country was not well known.
 

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I have some knowledge in vedic astrology.
I have the same 4/10 r/k axis,albeit in different signs.I have been reading that it is bad,but,your analysis gives me hope.:)

I see that ates has aries ascendant and that explains their aggressive performances.
And I'm envious of that jupiter position.:D
May I know where the moon is?
If the Lord of rahu and ketu are in good diginity, it will produce significant results.

In ates 2021 solar return (using western astrology), jupiter will fall in the 2nd of finances and so far exoo and b*s had it.

In their western debut chart Jupiter is in the 7th house so lots of abundance in business endeavors. Lots of connections with business partners. They do have a strong team. Lots of contracts.

In their vedic chart moon is in the 1st in aries.
 

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Did anyone watch the BTS Festa attic talk or whatever it was called? There was one part that stood out for me. V was telling a story about how he was playing a mobile game and one of the other online players asked, "Does anyone like BTS?" He said he replied, "Me, me, me!". She had a user name that referenced Suga, so he asked her if she liked Suga. She said, "yes". He then said he wrote, "I really hate V. What do you think about that?" And this person replied "all of them are precious to me." He said he was really happy about that and it made him feel good that fans supported all of them.

Now, first of all, I think it is highly unlikely that this actually happened. But it did remind me of something.

In an African American literature course I took a few years back, we discussed how some people say that slavery wasn't all bad because there were slaves who said that their masters were really good to them. What people often don't realize is that slave holders would get people that the slaves didn't know to pass by and ask slaves about the treatment they got from their masters. Or they would get slaves from other plantations to do the asking. These people would report back who they talked to and what they said. If you answered incorrectly, there would be punishment. So slaves would generally praise their master to anyone they didn't know they could trust. Otherwise, they risked punishment.

So, V is putting this idea into Army's heads that whoever they are talking to online could actually be a member of BTS. And if they dare to say something honest that is critical, they might be saying it directly to BTS. That seems like a pretty sneaky way to encourage fans to self censor online.
 

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Here we can see fans give their honest opinions..
BTS fans censor themselves a lot on twitter because saying something negative means they will be bullied by other Armys...so its nice to see this


I dont watch their shows anymore and my only contact are the clips I see on this thread....but fans see the same thing as we do.....so we are not really overreacting when we say they look "done"
 

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wow ....he sounds like a drama queen.
pretending to be a V anti and asking the fan if she hates him too? ...now all the people who said he expossed Jikook to play the victim might be right :rolleyes:

And just saw this

Black Nut's misogynistic lyrics under controversy again

Another idol (rapper) going down....now I posted about RM and BTS misogynists lyrics here before....talking about women having sexual desease etc. but of course the goverment "darlings" will never be exposed like this
I did not watch the entire thing, just bits, but I think that the answers were scripted, not to say that there was no truth in some of the things they said. I think some things were real but others. were just...
That is a very odd answer to what Jin said about him. What makes me happy is when the 7 of us are happy, so I changed myself from annoying to considerate? Wtf!? Something like I have matured, or my perspectives have chnaged would have made more sense.


Side note: I don’t think anyone in BTS has what it takes for a good solo career, so it benefits them to stay together professionally and business-wise. No way they would be more sucessful or richer doing things alone, even if its something like acting for the likes of TH ( has the looks but dubious skills). They are much more appealing as a group. Its like you take 7 mediocres that complement one another and create something better, but for them its not only about that. Part of their appeal is the ”we are like family and super close narrative”. They have marketed themselves as such regardless of what goes on behind the scenes and these concepts are very popular nowadays. Just look at family channels on youtube like the ace family, they have 10 of millions of subscribers, people are hungry for belonging and affection even on the screen.
 
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That is a great explanation.I loved it.:D
You see I've been posting how fans have started questioning and discussing about the hype even outside conspiracy circles and how those websites are getting taken down,temporarily or permanently.
Bigshit must've known about this already,obviously.
They practise cult methods and what you explained,sounds like a decent trick to silence the fandom/followers of a cult.
Complete loyalty,they are demanding.
I wish that fans start to see these controlling tactics of the company and get away from this toxicity.

Also,something similar happened a long time ago with megh@n f0x.There were many trolls at the peak of transformers hype,going after her.Then,there were some articles reporting that she actually does a lot of online gaming with a male username.And that the players may never know if the one they were playing with was actually f0x.It kind of made the gamers a little conscious of the other players.
I guess,the company is following the same play.
Of course,it is to be expected when their publicity is now run by hollyweird agencies.
oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
 

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I did not watch the entire thing, just bits, but I think that the answers were scripted, not to say that there was no truth in some of the things they said. I think some things were real but others. were just...
That is a very odd answer to what Jin said about him. What makes me happy is when the 7 of us are happy, so I changed myself from annoying to considerate? Wtf!? Something like I have matured, or my perspectives have chnaged would have made more sense.


Side note: I don’t think anyone in BTS has what it takes for a good solo career, so it benefits them to stay together professionally and business-wise. No way they would be more sucessful or richer doing things alone, even if its something like acting for the likes of TH ( has the looks but dubious skills like most idol actors). They are much more appealing as a group. Its like you take 7 mediocres that complement one another and create something better, but for them its not only about that. Part of their appeal is the ”we are like family and super close narrative”. They have marketed themselves as such regardless of what goes on behind the scenes and these concepts are very popular nowadays. Just look at family chanels on youtube like the ace family, they have 10 of millions of subscribers, people are hungry for belonging and affection even on the screen.
I just deleted my comment because I saw a clip of Jimin saying he block any type of negative comment....so I think there is a narrative here...not only this V guy being a drama queen because the whole group is trying to push this "no negative comment" rule
 

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oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
Wow. I missed that part. Yeah, there definitely seems to be a theme there. Classic cult technique of isolation so that no one has space and opportunity to think for themselves or hear opposing viewpoints.
 

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oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
They extra, like what the hell? -_-

It seems these fans can't handle people who dislike bts, but let me tell you that this is life and this world isn't all buddy buddy rainbows and sunshine. They really don't need to block anyone or do the extras and end friendships just for an unpopular comment. I'd only understand if someone was harassing them on a daily basis. Otherwise, these people are fake.
 

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oh wait!! you might be right!!
Just saw this on allkpop bashing thread...... Look at Jimin here encouraging the cult mentality


Replies from the fans are saying they do the same....blocking everyone who says something negative about BTS and even ending friendship because of it o_O
@Scars512 that was a great observation, I watched it just a while back and thought the same thing.

First of all , all of this looks fake and scripted af. I will point out a few things that stood out for me:
1. Jimin says he cuts tie with any friend who talks shit about bts. Like in his real life any "friend " of his would do that. It is purely to make army even more militant and stick to other army friends only.
2. Taehyung.. he got a lot of lines and weird stories. The mobile game story stirred a lot if tweets when people wondering if every anti they ever talked to and blocked were a member in disguise . Also, why would he ask such a question, I hate v - what do you say about that. Like if the answer was oh yes he's trash, would if be any good to him? Also his answers were bizarre. He mentioned multiple times he was very happy but his expression was blank and bored. He called jimin his best friend but I think their friendship is long gone for the most part.
He was talking about how he feels bts was sent from GOD and everyone mocked him cuz he doesnt have religion. He tried to explain he is a spiritual person who believes someone guides him from above but they were clowning him. This part actually looked authentic to me.
3. They all talked about how they are softer and how their stage persona is so much different than their real one. This was quite unexpected as they suppose to always stay in character
4. Suga mentioned a "counselor " who guides them. I hope it's someone who is responsible for their mental health and not some handler
5. They all felt very grateful for the opportunity to sit and talk this way. Aren't you together all day every day? Why do you wait for filmed discussions to Express how you feel?
6. Talking about their childhood many of them expressed that they dont say I love you to their family and didnt hear it from their parents. I dont know but it looks like an Asian mentality. Many fans on twitter felt the same way and admitted saying I love you is weird to them and referred to it as emotional constipation.. like you can say that to a friend but not to your family. Just a point to note
7. They referred to tae again as weird. That they had issues understanding him and they are happy he toned down even though rm admitted his bubbly and outgoing personality drew a lot of fans to like bts. he looked so zen to me I couldn't help thinking he was on some drugs. Poor guy.
8. They all are much darker and grim outside of the filmed performances. Like jhope said he is really struggling to maintain his jolly persona at all times.

I didnt really watch full 55 minutes but skipped through and that's what I noticed.
 

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@Scars512 that was a great observation, I watched it just a while back and thought the same thing.
He called jimin his best friend but I think their friendship is long gone for the most part.
Interesting observation, I also feel like he has this reservation around Jimin, but at the same time, they have their moments. What is you reasoning?

A while back I wrote that V is depressed, but after seeing him happy and energetic during concerts, I thought he maybe was better. The depression is very much there, comes back as soon as he goes back from the high energy concerts to everyday life. Depressed people don’t have to be sad all the time and have real happy moments too that may last days. In his Vlive, most of the songs he played were literally about depression, not just sad songs. During one of the songs ”trying my best”, he got teary eyed and said he plays the song in the morning to feel better, which is quite typical of depression, they feel the worst early in the morning. There is no denying that he has depression and feels lonely at this point. His playlist (not by me)

Christian Akridge- Please Notice
Alessia Cara - Growing Pains
Gabriel Tajeu - That’s What I Want
Anson Seabra - Can You Hear Me
Demi Lovato - Sober
Beabadoobee - Dance With Me
Eli - Disappear
Herman Hepfeld - As Time Goes By (Casablanca OST)
Edith Piaf - La Vie en Rose
Anson Seabra - Trying My Best
Ruth B - Lost Boy
Natalie Taylor - Come to This
Alice Kristiansen - Moon and Back


At least he believes in God unlike atheist NJ and candyman. Don’t about the others but none of them seem religious or spiritual.
 
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Interesting observation, I also feel like he has this reservation around Jimin, but at the same time, they have their moments. What is you reasoning?

A while back I wrote that V is depressed, but after seeing him happy and energetic during concerts, I thought he maybe was better. The depression is very much there, comes back as soon as he goes back from the high energy concerts to everyday life. Depressed people don’t have to be sad all the time and have real happy moments too that may last days. In his Vlive, most of the songs he played were literally about depression, not just sad songs. During one of the songs ”trying my best”, he got teary eyed and said he plays the song in the morning to feel better, which is quite typical of depression, they feel the worst early in the morning. There is no denying that he has depression and feels lonely at this point. His playlist (not by me)

Christian Akridge- Please Notice
Alessia Cara - Growing Pains
Gabriel Tajeu - That’s What I Want
Anson Seabra - Can You Hear Me
Demi Lovato - Sober
Beabadoobee - Dance With Me
Eli - Disappear
Herman Hepfeld - As Time Goes By (Casablanca OST)
Edith Piaf - La Vie en Rose
Anson Seabra - Trying My Best
Ruth B - Lost Boy
Natalie Taylor - Come to This
Alice Kristiansen - Moon and Back

I said this. I don't watch all of their Vlives, but I tuned in to this one and by far it was the most depressing Vlive I've ever seen any of them do. Is it a cry for help? It almost made me depressed hearing all of those pitiful lyrics. Dream Glow was the only happy/upbeat song he played at the end.


Sidenote: Gabriel Tajeu is from my city. And now I'm wondering how he discovered him, lol.
 
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