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I could already tell the grammy's are just using the boys and their fandom just for high ratings and getting people to tune in to watch the show. Just like what VC's already wrote in his articles, the grammy's is just "not about the music" but a platform to dictate what public should be kept distracted with.
yes, and the award they were nominated is not broadcasted so they made them presenters because they want them to appear on camera.
This is the biggest music event in the industry giving them camera time....not even one direction at their peak got that grammy "validation"...how deep they are into this? we still dont know
 





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pay attention



when @unbelievabletruth told me idols are like modern geishas they were correct....what other things the fans can get if they pay?
And the diehard fans will argue that all this is being done without the guys' knowledge........highly unlikely........the company and the guys seems to be making money in any way they can and @cadiz ,if they get caught,they'll act all innocent and feign ignorance while the company waits for few days and give a fake apology and that it will be taking action on those who are involved.......the script is getting outdated.
 





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Grammy isn't free. They have to pay for everything they receive. They will probably be more miserable as the year goes on, doesn't matter how talented someone is, it's about how much they're willing to give up.
They are not one of the "elite" they are just pawns in the NWO which is how they're the most famous celebs in the world right now and still climbing. People from all cultures, religions, etc are in their fanclub. The world is changing drastically and they're just a tiny part of it.
As soon as their looks start to fade and they get washed up the elite will drop them and people will start to forget.
Idk what to call them but these people are not anyone's friends/fans. All celebs are just property to them.
 





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Grammy isn't free. They have to pay for everything they receive. They will probably be more miserable as the year goes on, doesn't matter how talented someone is, it's about how much they're willing to give up.
They are not one of the "elite" they are just pawns in the NWO which is how they're the most famous celebs in the world right now and still climbing. People from all cultures, religions, etc are in their fanclub. The world is changing drastically and they're just a tiny part of it.
As soon as their looks start to fade and they get washed up the elite will drop them and people will start to forget.
Idk what to call them but these people are not anyone's friends/fans. All celebs are just property to them.
some people are even able to eat sh*t only to walk in a grammy room and appear on tv.. like lol it's kinda out of hand.. It's hard to not judge when you see people like this
 





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So... I saw an IG post that somebody just named their newborn child after one-eyed. I think he and JM are the most seductive members. View attachment 19192
Also, In my country they named a Koala after his character, Koya.
http://instagr.am/p/Bp0vVCilcr-/
That’s sad. They’re so obsessed with BTS that they’ll name their child after one of the members. I don’t see how people think that BTS are good people. Just look into their soulless eyes.
 





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About the bigheat making amazing profits over last year.......though it does look plausible that they might've profited with the albums and the tour,there is something people must understand........this company is a private company with the boss being the single largest stakeholder and his cousin the second largest holder through his gaming company......as it usually happens with the private companies especially those that started with modest beginnings and supposed to have reaped enormous profits,these companies show bloated profits by taking the path of moneylaundering .........now,not alleging any criminal wrongdoings,but it is plausible....... besides,the company's underhanded methods are very clearly known,so,this might be one of the reasons for the enormous profits........also,there have been a boom in cryptocurrency especially with the bitcoin blowing up in 2017.......most of the people who have been in the business of any kind did invest in cryptocurrency long back and once the prices exploded,they have been cashing out the cryptocurrency.......sk is one of the main exchanges in asia and with a cousin dubbed as the korean steve jobs, it is more likely that the boss invested in cryptocurrency and have been cashing out now and showing it as the profit.........to anyone who doubts the reason for this,you have to understand that despite all the profit,cryptocurrency is still not supported by any government in the world........so,even if you cash it out,you can't show it as the source,you have to make up another source to show to the authorities or keep it online and cash it out in really amounts or through shell companies.....anyway,by doing a little fraud.........this applies to a lot of people who have suddenly gained profits or made money exponentially around 2017............however,moneylaundering seems more likely especially with the history of corruption in sk politics and how the company and the group are always supported by the poiliticians and now the group's success can be used as a front to launder all the money..........
this article is from jan,2018.......
https://mnews.joins.com/article/22326139?IgnoreUserAgent=y#home ...........they keep saying that they are going public but they don't.

this also explains why a certain reporter found out irregularities in the company and that the company,despite showing the front of being successful,doesn't have much money.........if you can remember,it is after this leaked report,the news of the group renewing their contracts broke out along with a statement that the group's trust in their boss remains unshaken.......it is as if to assure all those involved that the business is still open.........it's not the intention to allege wrongdoing.......merely showing other possibilites of a company making enormous profits in a small time.........everyone is free to choose what to believe.......just my two cents.
 





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I'm not trying to defend anyone but...As a woman, if I had men dancing 30 cm in front me and in the impossibility to leave, I'll give them judgemental look...you don't do that in front of me...
Well......there is truth in what you say,but,these are performers,they do know the performances will be of different kinds.......this video is the first one that could be found,though there are other videos where they sneer and laugh creepily at the performances of particular performers in particular girl groups in some other award shows and even ignoring a girl from mamam00 when she tried to greet them,will post them if found......also,not everyone is giving judgmental looks there......some seem to be fine with it like tea,sweet boi and the guys from other groups sitting in the front........anyway, just my two cents......not to hurt anyone's sensitivites.
 





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Tea guy isn't even looking at them, of course he would seem fine
What about sweet boi and the guys sitting beside tea,they seem to be fine with the performance........And this is another angle of that video and people are talking in a joking way in the comments about how tea is shading the girls......don't know what's happening in his head but,the point is,he definitely noticed them and kept doing whatever he was doing and not being obviously judgmental like some of his group members were.
To those who might think that the girls are trying to catch attention by performing before bt3, you can see,the girls didn't go there because of the group,three girls were already in position a few feet away from there and the performance was already under way even before the group came and sat .....that's what I could find.
 





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Wow.......'boys will be boys' argument in a neat package........
.some user appeared after a long time and are defending their group dutifully with the claim of the innocent boys being ignorant of the world...........and their country is supposed to be a model state shown by us as an example of western development.........there are women in that country who speak their views out and that's why the news came out.........and there are other groups with clean image atleast in their lyrics and public interaction and if the patriarchal argument holds good,shouldn't the other groups be criticised about it too?.........so,
stop making a sweeping generalisation of the group and the fandom.......they have sisters and mothers....it's not like they don't know how to treat women.........being a dumb teenager is different from writing the lyrics in 2015,don't think one-eyed was a teenager in 2015
and hoppie wasn't a teenager when he gave his views of an ideal woman in 2016 ....thus said,
stop making excuses for them or the fandom..........and yes,playing the 'victim card' by blaming the boss for every wrongdoing........on one hand there are claims that they're given the most freedom with their content and when there's trouble,blame the boss.......this would've applied in the past but with the renewed contract,there's no way they can still play dumb..........all of them are in this together,alongwith their boss.
About being embarrassed of debut videos,being progressive or not,it is a natural reaction for anyone to feel embarrassed of their old videos or pictures sometimes,so,there's not much to it.
Them turning a new leaf regarding their outlook towards women.........this is the most recent video of them passing judgmental looks at a girl group.......
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179513
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179605
And this is what sweet boi wore recently........
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-867#post-176848
not so progressive now,are they?

To other users,this is a reminder of the posts by the user and the reactions of the other users

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-433#post-134455
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134470
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134475
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134522
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-432#post-134410
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-435#post-134540
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134323
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-439#post-134764
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134314

That said,found the pattern.........looks like the thread is about to get derailed by the fans who check in when their group is not putting out content,so they have free time to make their rose-tinted view known to those who have already shed it.
Wow.......'boys will be boys' argument in a neat package........
.some user appeared after a long time and are defending their group dutifully with the claim of the innocent boys being ignorant of the world...........and their country is supposed to be a model state shown by us as an example of western development.........there are women in that country who speak their views out and that's why the news came out.........and there are other groups with clean image atleast in their lyrics and public interaction and if the patriarchal argument holds good,shouldn't the other groups be criticised about it too?.........so,
stop making a sweeping generalisation of the group and the fandom.......they have sisters and mothers....it's not like they don't know how to treat women.........being a dumb teenager is different from writing the lyrics in 2015,don't think one-eyed was a teenager in 2015
and hoppie wasn't a teenager when he gave his views of an ideal woman in 2016 ....thus said,
stop making excuses for them or the fandom..........and yes,playing the 'victim card' by blaming the boss for every wrongdoing........on one hand there are claims that they're given the most freedom with their content and when there's trouble,blame the boss.......this would've applied in the past but with the renewed contract,there's no way they can still play dumb..........all of them are in this together,alongwith their boss.
About being embarrassed of debut videos,being progressive or not,it is a natural reaction for anyone to feel embarrassed of their old videos or pictures sometimes,so,there's not much to it.
Them turning a new leaf regarding their outlook towards women.........this is the most recent video of them passing judgmental looks at a girl group.......
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179513
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179605
And this is what sweet boi wore recently........
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-867#post-176848
not so progressive now,are they?

To other users,this is a reminder of the posts by the user and the reactions of the other users

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-433#post-134455
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134470
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134475
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134522
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-432#post-134410
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-435#post-134540
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134323
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-439#post-134764
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134314

That said,found the pattern.........looks like the thread is about to get derailed by the fans who check in when their group is not putting out content,so they have free time to make their rose-tinted view known to those who have already shed it.
Nice to meet old friends here) 1. About other groups - yes, other groups were also critisized by SK feminists. And I'm very glad that feminism activists are fighting for their rights. I don't wanna mention other groups but I can hint that I'm an old kpop fan and joined kpop community during older generation idols rise. There were MANY controversies about lyrics etc. Even bt* generation. Now idols are more educated and I'm glad to see the progress. Why I don't mention other male groups - I just don't want fans to jump on this discusion. 2. Yes, I changed my perspective about CEO. Yes, B* is better company than another S*, Y* but after deep research I found out that B* ceo or producers seems to be too strongly biased. And Ban* P* is not the perfect boss in my eyes. Now boys have new conctract, I hope things will get better a little bit 3. Boys learned after their mistake and trying to grow to be more open minded. Of course they might do mistakes even now since they are just human. They changed lyrics to some their song and don't perform the most controversial anymore never. As Namj**n is my bias I can tell he tries to be better (he himself admitted he did mistakes and regrets debut mindset in US interview and vlive). 3. About girls dancing in front of them - they just tried to keep their face in front of many cameras. If some camera caught a moment where member would be cheering for girl group - you know tomorrow there might be a dating scandal or smth. 4. About S*ga clothes - LOOOL actually a*my clowned the clothes on twt and even created funny # as far as I remember. Why so serious guys? And bold of you to strictly assume that S*ga is only interested in women bo*bs (in context that we are talkig about women rights, feminism etc). Not only women have bo*bs lol) and it might (!) be something to do with a rap show "show me your m*n*y" (I assume not sure - but he talked about it in his mixtape the last)?
Actually I came here to read abot Gra*m* news theories but got distracted.
 





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View attachment 19213
Tea shared a pic on fancfe View attachment 19214 View attachment 19215

Giving a sneak peek of his juul cannot just b a mistake, now watch underages get juuls too because their idol vapes one.
A*my tried to cover for him saying it's a pastel holder LOL.
& When the most recent Run episode came out Tea was under water for more than a minute and delusion fans said there's no way he smokes bc he can hold his breath for that long.....
People forget these are GROWN men not middle schoolers.
 





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A*my tried to cover for him saying it's a pastel holder LOL.
& When the most recent Run episode came out Tea was under water for more than a minute and delusion fans said there's no way he smokes bc he can hold his breath for that long.....
People forget these are GROWN men not middle schoolers.
I sometimes enjoy theories here but about this issue - honestly I don't understand the problem. First of all it doesn't look like j**l. And even if it was - he is a grown man as you said. This is not smth illegal. The main point of that photo is his painting (not some little details around) - art is what he wanted to share with people who love him.
 





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I sometimes enjoy theories here but about this issue - honestly I don't understand the problem. First of all it doesn't look like j**l. And even if it was - he is a grown man as you said. This is not smth illegal. The main point of that photo is his painting (not some little details around) - art is what he wanted to share with people who love him.
I've started to notice his fans are terribly toxic towards him. They're constantly criticizing him. He's a human being too. I think this is part of the reason he's starting to get over the "V" facade.
I understand why he was scared to show his art at first, people are just plain rude. It's HIS art. I didn't even notice the juul/pastel holder (whatever it was it doesn't matter).
 





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I've started to notice his fans are terribly toxic towards him. They're constantly criticizing him. He's a human being too. I think this is part of the reason he's starting to get over the "V" facade.
I understand why he was scared to show his art at first, people are just plain rude. It's HIS art. I didn't even notice the juul/pastel holder (whatever it was it doesn't matter).
Well said
It is HIS life I really don’t care if he smokes or anything other lifestyle choice he chooses to do
The reason I joined this thread was to help others that were affected by them
It becomes a problem when he affects others
I think there is a huge difference and we forget that
Also I was watching the latest run and V and Jimin were paired together
I saw many instances when Jimin initiated many times contact with V who accepted it but looked done
You can really see which ones are more obedient
I don’t think Bighit will let BTS go just now
They are still important to them for now and for the coming year I think they will promote them very hard
Also maybe presenting V in such a bad light Is actually a marketing strategy
To the illuminati star signs are important right and Jimin has the powerful numbers on his birthday making him the star
Also V and Jimin are both the same age so they will be promoting solo projects around the same time whilst the others are in the military
Well, I think Jimins career will shoot off and they want to excel this by putting the competition down from V so making him look bad will give a bitter impression of him
I’ve seen so many Tae biased army start liking Jimin and biasing him because Tae has “changed” and I think this is all a strategy
 





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Well said
It is HIS life I really don’t care if he smokes or anything other lifestyle choice he chooses to do
The reason I joined this thread was to help others that were affected by them
It becomes a problem when he affects others
I think there is a huge difference and we forget that
Also I was watching the latest run and V and Jimin were paired together
I saw many instances when Jimin initiated many times contact with V who accepted it but looked done
You can really see which ones are more obedient
I don’t think Bighit will let BTS go just now
They are still important to them for now and for the coming year I think they will promote them very hard
Also maybe presenting V in such a bad light Is actually a marketing strategy
To the illuminati star signs are important right and Jimin has the powerful numbers on his birthday making him the star
Also V and Jimin are both the same age so they will be promoting solo projects around the same time whilst the others are in the military
Well, I think Jimins career will shoot off and they want to excel this by putting the competition down from V so making him look bad will give a bitter impression of him
I’ve seen so many Tae biased army start liking Jm and biasing him because Tae has “changed” and I think this is all a strategy
I'm so glad you brought BH being biased towards Jimin! I watched their Mnet compilation from debut till idol performances on their stage and Jm was a mediocre singer at best yet they always had him center stage and lots of lines. BH favors JK and JM most of the camera time in their live stages goes to them. JM is willing to do anything to be center of attention even the hyungs (handlers) kiss his ass.
But I think that this mistreatment towards Tea might be a higher beings way of forcing him to get up and leave. Even from his solo song I can tell he doesn't care what's commercial and what will sell. He would be better off out of BH and as an independent artist. $ may not be good but he'd have his dignity. B"S will ruin him if he doesn't get out soon. The stress and depression has aged him and he looks TIRED.
I think his lethargy in run episodes and other content is bc it's used to pimp them out and he doesn't want it anymore.
 





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Hi guys, long time no see :) just a few days back my mum (she is something like walking wikipedia about spirituality, archonts, illuminaughti and things like that :D ) told me something and i thought that it might be something useful, bicouse there were few debates about B*s being possessed by demons when they are on stage or that they looked like if they were on drugs.
i dont know if you have heard about these entities (i dont know how are they called in english) but they are something like ghosts of people that died and they somehow live with you (something like parasytes). Mostly they are the ghosts of people from your family that died and didnt get away (to the heaven or whatever it is) in time and sometimes they are the souls of evil people that dont want to leave and live from the negative energy. If you have depressions and you dont even know why or if you are in stress without a reason, its probably bicouse of them.
And lot of these evil souls are at the places like bars and clubs etc., bicouse if you are really drunk (it happens only when you are a really big alcoholic and i mean really big) and you drink hard liquors like vodka and shits like that, they can take control of your body, but only for awhile (just a few second).
And with the drugs (not marihuana, but the really bad drugs like LSD and shits like that) its almost the same, but they can take the control for longer period of time.
Sorry for any mistakes guys, but my english isnt very good :D
 





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I'm so glad you brought BH being biased towards Jimin! I watched their Mnet compilation from debut till idol performances on their stage and Jm was a mediocre singer at best yet they always had him center stage and lots of lines. BH favors JK and JM most of the camera time in their live stages goes to them. JM is willing to do anything to be center of attention even the hyungs (handlers) kiss his ass.
But I think that this mistreatment towards Tea might be a higher beings way of forcing him to get up and leave. Even from his solo song I can tell he doesn't care what's commercial and what will sell. He would be better off out of BH and as an independent artist. $ may not be good but he'd have his dignity. B"S will ruin him if he doesn't get out soon. The stress and depression has aged him and he looks TIRED.
I think his lethargy in run episodes and other content is bc it's used to pimp them out and he doesn't want it anymore.
You are right
Bighit are really biased and it isn’t that they care for Jimin it’s because they believe in astrology and he can bring them money as he has the sexual charm around him
Yes they have always treated V horrible and he looks so done
He has had to face many hardships whilst in the group from his grandparents passing to being given less lines to being isolated to poor treatment on variety shows the list goes on
I think if anything he’s afraid to leave and if my hunch that he’s a moon child is correct it would be even harder for him to leave
Sometimes it’s truly difficult to leave I don’t like to compare individuals but Jimin is the taemin of the group and Tae is the Jonghyun
Yes it isn’t about the talent
Even Jk who I think is better in categories overall to be a solo doesn’t get as much screen time as Jimin Jimin is the one who has rhe famous celebrity friends and he’s invited to shows
He’s also branded as the generous but sexy one making him appealing to so many fans so that his solo career will boom and will leave V in the shadows
I jsur hope Tae does his own thing by then because he’s being bullied and after all the grief he’s been through isolation can really break someone he seems so lonely
 





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You are right
Bighit are really biased and it isn’t that they care for Jimin it’s because they believe in astrology and he can bring them money as he has the sexual charm around him
Yes they have always treated V horrible and he looks so done
He has had to face many hardships whilst in the group from his grandparents passing to being given less lines to being isolated to poor treatment on variety shows the list goes on
I think if anything he’s afraid to leave and if my hunch that he’s a moon child is correct it would be even harder for him to leave
Sometimes it’s truly difficult to leave I don’t like to compare individuals but Jimin is the taemin of the group and Tae is the Jonghyun
Yes it isn’t about the talent
Even Jk who I think is better in categories overall to be a solo doesn’t get as much screen time as Jimin Jimin is the one who has rhe famous celebrity friends and he’s invited to shows
He’s also branded as the generous but sexy one making him appealing to so many fans so that his solo career will boom and will leave V in the shadows
I jsur hope Tae does his own thing by then because he’s being bullied and after all the grief he’s been through isolation can really break someone he seems so lonely
You're so right, the astrology part completely went over my head. Maybe that's how they chose these individuals specifically for the group in the first place..... Everything is about numerology w/ these people and black magic.
I hope he finds courage or someway to get out before his story ends like jonghyun....
& I was wrong about JM/Tae friendship before. I think JM is following the "keep your friends close, and enemies closer" philosophy. His parents are the one who/ the Alice and Wonderland themed Cafe and in a recent bangtan bomb bday video he got flowers from his dad w/ a note in English but he doesn't know how to read English????
They've probably just made Tae think this is the best situation he's gonna get bc w/out BH and the group he'd still be a poor farmer.