BTS discussion thread

[Maggieca]

just watched the trailer. Is it me or their music is becoming more generic each comeback? I didn't like their last album and this song is not really my style. I guess that's a good thing

about the video: I see nothing too sinister, just him watching himself going in and out of the house and that random scene of the rain. The flowers could be the most symbolic thing about it

and about the mesagge of the song, I agree it's important to love yourself but at the same time I don't think fans who are obsessed with BTS love themselves. A person who worships another human, in this case an idol, is usually a person who has low self esteem and needs to see perfection in others
the good thing is that this mesagge is finally related to the tittle of their series but this trailer gave no answer to anything

 

[sculmatee]

The starting lyrics to the intro for Epiphany: "It’s so odd, I loved you so much for sure
I adapted myself entirely to you, I wanted to live for you
But as I kept doing so, I became unable to bear the storm inside my heart
I got to fully reveal my true self under the smiling mask"

I have a feeling he's singing these lyrics to Satan, not to a girl or anyone else. 'I adapted myself entirely to you' Devotion to Satan in the music industry perhaps? 'I became unable to bear the storm inside my heart' maybe Jin is wanting to break out of this mind control and horrid way of living because he can't bear it anymore. Maybe this is the breaking point for him, he could be so tired of being flooded with Satan's false living water.

 

[Lightoftheworld]

The starting lyrics to the intro for Epiphany: "It’s so odd, I loved you so much for sure
I adapted myself entirely to you, I wanted to live for you
But as I kept doing so, I became unable to bear the storm inside my heart
I got to fully reveal my true self under the smiling mask"

I have a feeling he's singing these lyrics to Satan, not to a girl or anyone else. 'I adapted myself entirely to you' Devotion to Satan in the music industry perhaps? 'I became unable to bear the storm inside my heart' maybe Jin is wanting to break out of this mind control and horrid way of living because he can't bear it anymore. Maybe this is the breaking point for him, he could be so tired of being flooded with Satan's false living water.

But we aren't sure if he wrote the lyrics.. mostly it's RM or suga.

 

[sculmatee]

just watched the trailer. Is it me or their music is becoming more generic each comeback? I didn't like their last album and this song is not really my style. I guess that's a good thing

about the video: I see nothing too sinister, just him watching himself going in and out of the house and that random scene of the rain. The flowers could be the most symbolic thing about it

and about the mesagge of the song, I agree it's important to love yourself but at the same time I don't think fans who are obsessed with BTS love themselves. A person who worships another human, in this case an idol, is usually a person who has low self esteem and needs to see perfection in others
the good thing is that this mesagge is finally related to the tittle of their series but this trailer gave no answer to anything

I agree, I wasn't too thrilled with this song either. I wasn't even excited for the last album or this comeback. The only thing I'm looking for in BTS is just Satanic symbolism now, I don't even enjoy them much anymore. Not looking forward to this new album either, I get anxiety each time they release new music because now I always think to myself: "Okay, what symbolism and dark lyrics will they have this time? How much deeper are they into the occult and Satansim now?" Just thoughts like that. Always gotta be aware.

 

[sculmatee]

But we aren't sure if he wrote the lyrics.. mostly it's RM or suga.

That's true.. more than likely you're right, for the other songs they had before RM and Suga were the biggest contributors to it so I bet it was the case this time too.

 

[Lightoftheworld]

Also can someone notice any satanic or Illuminati symbolisms in the mv?? I'm sorry I'm not good at those.
I noticed that at the beginning and end of the video it becomes black and white while during the mv it is colourful. Is that something symbolic to the elite??

 

[Cocomj]

do you mean :
https://www.everplans.com/articles/the-meaning-behind-8-different-types-of-popular-funeral-flowers (the peace lilies and not just normal lilies ? ) (sorry watching too far XD )
(it doesn't seem that horrible (in symbo )for once (the clip) so at least that something)(guess we'll have to wait now)

 

[Cocomj]

Also can someone notice any satanic or Illuminati symbolisms in the mv?? I'm sorry I'm not good at those.
I noticed that at the beginning and end of the video it becomes black and white while during the mv it is colourful. Is that something symbolic to the elite??

yes duality
here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-and-white_dualism (if you want more info )

 

[Maggieca]

I agree, I wasn't too thrilled with this song either. I wasn't even excited for the last album or this comeback. The only thing I'm looking for in BTS is just Satanic symbolism now, I don't even enjoy them much anymore. Not looking forward to this new album either, I get anxiety each time they release new music because now I always think to myself: "Okay, what symbolism and dark lyrics will they have this time? How much deeper are they into the occult and Satansim now?" Just thoughts like that. Always gotta be aware.

yeah I'm the same
More interested in their connection with the occult and to see how far they can go with it. I'm convinced they have been chosen to push an agenda and change kpop. So I'm waiting for them to do something out of the ordinary like those "army from the future" suggested

but when it comes to their music I really have no interest in them anymore, listened to their last album just once and this new song was boring to me. But this is a good thing because I don't listen to their music so whatever mesagge they are puitting there is not affecting me
Maybe that's why I never had dreams about them

 

[Cocomj]

Wow the meaning of rain dreams are very alike with the meanings of the lyrics and the video. Good catch

Thanks lol XD (when you slow stuff down and look at every detail it get easier to not miss things i guess XD)

 

[deniiiiXD]

I agree, I wasn't too thrilled with this song either. I wasn't even excited for the last album or this comeback. The only thing I'm looking for in BTS is just Satanic symbolism now, I don't even enjoy them much anymore. Not looking forward to this new album either, I get anxiety each time they release new music because now I always think to myself: "Okay, what symbolism and dark lyrics will they have this time? How much deeper are they into the occult and Satansim now?" Just thoughts like that. Always gotta be aware.

The lyrics are so generic and predictable as well. The video was nothing interesting and repetitve, like the lyrics. And also that fashion style is terrible; not to mention orange hair (they run out of ideas). Epiphany is far away of being 'exceptional' in the way other people say.

 

[deniiiiXD]

Narcissism related symbolism

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1027590971670724608

 

[Secret149]

https://aminoapps.com/c/btsarmy/page/blog/the-dark-side-of-bangtan/Rr4R_Wr3IwuWe5YbmXRKxoMw5GMrk3DjKZQ

Jamal's destructive part got me shooked ! it's not 100% true but..

 

[Cocomj]

https://aminoapps.com/c/btsarmy/page/blog/the-dark-side-of-bangtan/Rr4R_Wr3IwuWe5YbmXRKxoMw5GMrk3DjKZQ

Jamal's destructive part got me shooked ! it's not 100% true but..

wow (and also tae or one eyed more maybe )
it wouldn't be surprising tho XD
here :

 

[Cocomj]

sorry to interrupt lol
it was my fav movie :

nooooooooo ;_;
also i forgot about this but here :

this is the song iu friday
and in her song she says "mind control"
remember jamal did a short cover of that song in 2014 (here :

)
meaning they were already pointing at what was happening to them 4 years ago smh :/
(notice they can't even say the word mind control too so idk what to think
tell me what you guys think )
k bye after that for the 5000 time XD

 

[Alpha&Omega]

I think travelling would literally stop my train of bad thoughts but you know it's hard to travel (i will try tho :3 )
The part where your dreams are dead oh my i feel ya ;_;
But i agree praying is a good thing
(Abt the app i have an old phone with no more space uuuum do you know perhaps instead an audio book or a simple vers. to read online )(hope you don't mind me asking XD
Good luck to everyone indeed

I haven’t tried audios since I can’t pay attention to something I can’t read, but it might a good idea. The thing about the app was that it reminds you to read certain verses of the bible. It can inspire you, cheer you up and reminds that God never forgets about you even though you felt you’ve been abandoned. I have this small booklet I can’t remember where it is. It’s just like a small novel that you read everyday, there’s characters and lessons and refers to bible verses. Doesn’t take up too much of your time. I’ll have to look up our garage to find it though.

 

[WOKE_ARMY]

why? have you symbols?

I mean,look at those fonts, it’s obvious. And plus the first logo is purposely placed like that, scattered around, if you have no idea what LOONA is,you probably confuse , why they spell loona that way, right? So there must be something in that symbols.
If somone can decode these symbols that would be great!

 

[sadaf]

Not hate songs to be exactly .. Diss Tracks to be precise to people who offend them of some sort..
Like here is a lyric..
I love my self.. I know myself.. So hater you should love me too...

And such songs have a huge impact on today's people.. Because hatred is more common than love.. So these SELL more..

I thought it is "so you should love yourself BRRR"?

 

[DarkAndWild]

yall know what rainman means right

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009712805014982657

and 1:45-2:20 in the mv he is soaking up the rain. Does this mean he is the rainman/devil.. and not tae? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

well besides the satan!c perspective, this meaning seems to fit into the story-line and concept of epiphany

"RAIN is a universal symbol simply because it basically means the same to everybody... therefore, writers from all over the world will use rain to symbolize birth, rebirth, death, destruction as well as setting the tone for a particular scene or mood that is absolutely necessary for an enjoyable reading experience."

"To see and hear rain means forgiveness and grace. rain is also a symbol for tears, crying and sadness. it indicates cleaning from your troubles and problems and falling back in love with your life."
Lyrics: "i'm the one I should love in this world", "I finally realized so I love me"

Also pay attention to the hexagon symbolism on the mat, which represents the cult of Saturn, (black cube of Saturn) that goes back to ancient times, and afflicted with Satan worship



Interesting read
https://www.nicholson1968.com/nicholson1968s-post/saturn-worshipthe-black-cube

That’s why hexagons are used a lot in in kpop not because they look pretty

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009849175985573888

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/994638707188781061

Also did you notice the various amount of light sources present throughout the MV, which is odd because Jin could have used just the curtains as a light source. The chandelier is also made of up 6 bangtan bombs, which I think represents bangtan...there is some Symbolic stuff going on here I think the light sources are not coincidences

Also remember that Lucifer was seen as the light bearer...




Also what do you guys think of this date? The same as tae’s grandpa’s funeral,yet again there’s this weird correlation between tae and Jin...also it’s a bit insensitive don’t you think? Why choose this date

 

[Cocomj]

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I mean,look at those fonts, it’s obvious. And plus the first logo is purposely placed like that, scattered around, if you have no idea what LOONA is,you probably confuse , why they spell loona that way, right? So there must be something in that symbols.
If somone can decode these symbols that would be great!

Ps : luna means moon (if i remember correctly it's an italian word )(loona=luna ?)(maybe idk )