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They signed another contract with Bang...so they need to "abide" by the timeplan/workplan of the company... There's no choice but to enlist this year if they target to reconvene as a complete group by June, 2025... Yes, they prefer to work as a group again...coz that's their "brand..." and want to keep it that way... It's their "safe zone..."

Whereas, as individuals, the company wants to "project" that they are "successful" also...But truth is, with all the "manipulations" behind the scenes in terms of charts, sales, and awards...it's all just a "semblance" of it... Not sustainable...

With the coming "absence" of the group...what Bang worries about now, is the investors' sentiment and behavior...
i didnt know they signed a new contract....but yes that explains why they are rushing to enlist right now

if you think about it JK is still pretty young to enlist.....26 years old? you dont have many idols enlisting at that age
 

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They have tried to boost their individual careers, but I think the only one who has been more or less successful, it's Suga. The rest, not so much, maybe JHope could be next, but the rest...

Btw, Has someone heard about V's album? Well, they claim:

They didn't invest as much money and resources with RM. Does someone remember his latest album?

Is it me or JHope with each passing day, looks more like FtM?

i think Sugar might be succesful as a host for some variety shows, or music producer
but yeah....the others I really dont know what they can do outside of the group

veee and RM's album?? i dont remember much about them lol

JM only got attention for his bad live performance and JK got all the support from Hybe and still got bad reviews for the album
 

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They signed another contract with Bang...so they need to "abide" by the timeplan/workplan of the company... There's no choice but to enlist this year if they target to reconvene as a complete group by June, 2025... Yes, they prefer to work as a group again...coz that's their "brand..." and want to keep it that way... It's their "safe zone..."

Whereas, as individuals, the company wants to "project" that they are "successful" also...But truth is, with all the "manipulations" behind the scenes in terms of charts, sales, and awards...it's all just a "semblance" of it... Not sustainable...

With the coming "absence" of the group...what Bang worries about now, is the investors' sentiment and behavior...
Ok, so quick question about Yoongi. Public service is 21 months right? He entered service September 22, 2023 and 21 months from that date is June 22, 2025. Wouldn’t this technically push his completion date past their 12th Festa? While it would still be a June return, it would technically be past the 13th which is Festa Day. It would be more of a solstice festival. I wonder if they did this on purpose or if it will not be 21 months exactly in Yoongi’s case, lol. I know Jin enlisted December 13 2022, meaning he will be complete by Festa Day next year. I wonder too when exactly the rest of them are going to leave this year. Hmmm…

I notice if I “cheat” and consider 1 month to be 28 days/4 weeks, Yoongi could be complete in 84 weeks which would be May 2, 2025.
 
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i didnt know they signed a new contract....but yes that explains why they are rushing to enlist right now

if you think about it JK is still pretty young to enlist.....26 years old? you dont have many idols enlisting at that age
By SK law, JK still has until 2027 to enlist in the military... But he is already doing it this year, 2023...Precisely because of that "2nd contract" with Hybe/BigHit...

Something "happened" prior to the "forced & rushed" album-making process, etc...

Remember the wild & wide speculations about him and Vee... opting to leave the company...The months before when JK was "depressed" and making Weverse lives in the dark...telling his fans that the company hasn't been contacting him...And Vee busy with projects with other people...not Hybe-related...
Then all of a sudden...on 20 September 2023, BH announces a "new contract signed" by the BeteeS members...

And so the rush making of the album started...with Vee going abroad to film... as well as JK going to the US...The shock part was when Vee was announced to be produced by Ador (New Jeans label)...Why??? Isn't Vee under contract with BigHit?

Fast forward...JK flies to the US and photos of him with Bang and a Hybe producer are all over the internet...
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And the rest happened with JK's crappy "Seven" song...Vee's "substandard" standard genre album...and finally JK's album...

Forced...and rushed...the solo albums of the two youngest...

Because they have to already enlist in the military this year...

 

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i think Sugar might be succesful as a host for some variety shows, or music producer
but yeah....the others I really dont know what they can do outside of the group

veee and RM's album?? i dont remember much about them lol

JM only got attention for his bad live performance and JK got all the support from Hybe and still got bad reviews for the album
I didn't really pay attention to any solo work any of the others did, besides JH (and YG of course, already have shared my thoughts here about that album). I gave JH's album a couple listens, and at the time when it came out, I liked it. Now however, I'm bored of it. The album did get a lot of attention early on, and sustained that attention for a while, even though promotions weren't that plentiful and people eventually stopped talking about the album a few months later. But aside from YG and J!n, there isn't continuous talk about any of the solo work a few months after release. I'm sure that it will be the same for Tae and JK as time goes on.

And I really, really did think that if Tae released a solo album, that because he's the most popular member, the album would explode in popularity regardless of quality. But nope, that didn't happen. Pretty much everyone seems to have forgotten it. Even a friend of mine who likes Tae a lot, doesn't talk about his solo album anymore. And it's funny to me that his own fans aren't going bonkers for him, given that a couple years ago fans were begging to Tae and JK to release solo albums. There was a huge amount of speculation about what their albums would be about, when they'd be released, all over twitter and tumblr. And now it is radio silence.

In regard to YG as a host or music producer... Producer yes, absolutely. Host? No. I tried to watch the RM episode of his variety show and I was so bored a few minutes in and clicked off. Tried to watch a non-BTS interview he did and again, BORING. This variety show is an excuse for YG to drink and to get a chance to talk to his fave people, and basically boast about the special people he knows. That doesn't mean I don't think he respects the people he's interviewed, but I do think there's a level of ego-inflation in the variety show and concerts as well.

What I'll say is this: The variety show is meh, but, it plays to the Korean audience. Combined with his ability to collaborate with other musicians and produce songs for them, his own music which is consistent across all his mixtapes/albums, his charity work, doing commercials, producing music for brands, modeling for V@lentino, the NBA sponsorship, and overall well-rounded behavior, he is showing he's capable of having a K-pop oriented career. He is showing he can exist outside of BT5 and is marketable. He generally looks "good", not good as in behaving like an angel, but good in terms of what Koreans expect from an idol. He has never branched into acting, and I doubt he will, but he probably could get away with not acting beyond the occasional commercial. So yeah, as much as I think the variety show sucks, it is helping his career at least.
 

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Ok, so quick question about Yoongi. Public service is 21 months right? He entered service September 22, 2023 and 21 months from that date is June 22, 2025. Wouldn’t this technically push his completion date past their 12th Festa? While it would still be a June return, it would technically be past the 13th which is Festa Day. It would be more of a solstice festival. I wonder if they did this on purpose or if it will not be 21 months exactly in Yoongi’s case, lol. I know Jin enlisted December 13 2022, meaning he will be complete by Festa Day next year. I wonder too when exactly the rest of them are going to leave this year. Hmmm…

I notice if I “cheat” and consider 1 month to be 28 days/4 weeks, Yoongi could be complete in 84 weeks which would be May 2, 2025.
1. Sug's service might have been "negotiated" for 18 months as well...at least complying with the minimum length...Or even for 21 months, he could still "catch up" in time for their 12th anniv...a few days difference could be negotiated, too.

2. No exact date yet of enlistment this year.. But it should be within the first 13 days of December...
 

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well they are all enlisting at the end of the year

i guess they realised they only work as a group.....people in the commments are saying this is a "shame" for JK....but after the bad reviews his album got, I'm not really surprised

[theqoo] RM, JIMIN, V, JUNGKOOK, ENLIST IN DECEMBER.. BTS, RETURN AS A FULL GROUP IN 2025




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4. Jungkook is in his prime right now, what a shame

5. If you don't think it's a shame for Jungkook to enlist, you're not an all-fan. If you are, then of course you will feel like it's a waste of his career. I feel like if Jungkook was my bias, I'd be throwing up blood. Even so, since this is his decision, I'll have to accept this as an all-fan.

6. It's indeed a waste for Jungkook but it seems like he values his team promotion more. I'm not a fan but I support Bangtan. They're cool
They are leaving in December including Jkay.
 

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By SK law, JK still has until 2027 to enlist in the military... But he is already doing it this year, 2023...Precisely because of that "2nd contract" with Hybe/BigHit...

Something "happened" prior to the "forced & rushed" album-making process, etc...

Remember the wild & wide speculations about him and Vee... opting to leave the company...The months before when JK was "depressed" and making Weverse lives in the dark...telling his fans that the company hasn't been contacting him...And Vee busy with projects with other people...not Hybe-related...
Then all of a sudden...on 20 September 2023, BH announces a "new contract signed" by the BeteeS members...

And so the rush making of the album started...with Vee going abroad to film... as well as JK going to the US...The shock part was when Vee was announced to be produced by Ador (New Jeans label)...Why??? Isn't Vee under contract with BigHit?

Fast forward...JK flies to the US and photos of him with Bang and a Hybe producer are all over the internet...
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And the rest happened with JK's crappy "Seven" song...Vee's "substandard" standard genre album...and finally JK's album...

Forced...and rushed...the solo albums of the two youngest...

Because they have to already enlist in the military this year...

Hyb3's OT7 policy destroyed their solo careers. They should learn from $M and YG. All $M idols start to do individual activities after 5-6 years of debut and by the time they go to the military some of them at least have established solo careers. Look at Ex0 members. D.0 was an established actor, Ka1 and B@ekhyun got to release 3 mini albums each before they enlisted. Similarly, soloists from YG (GD, Taeyang, Mino,Bobby) got to do a lot of solo activities before enlisting. GD and T@emin in particular had a long and impactful solo career by the time they enlisted. If Hyb3 wanted to launch Jkay as the next big pop star they should have given him a solo debut earlier. I doubt if he was ready for one before though. Hyb3 and Scooter threw so much money on him but his song could not get a billboard No1. The hype surrounding his solo debut is already dying. I don't think he will have longevity as an artist. Hyb3 probably knows they are not talented enough to carry a solo career that's why they want them to reunite as a group so badly.
 

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1. Sug's service might have been "negotiated" for 18 months as well...at least complying with the minimum length...Or even for 21 months, he could still "catch up" in time for their 12th anniv...a few days difference could be negotiated, too.

2. No exact date yet of enlistment this year.. But it should be within the first 13 days of December...
Yea that sounds reasonable that days difference or even a few months difference could be negotiable. I was just fishing for thoughts from those of you who know more about this lol.

And if his public service has been negotiated to 18 months, this would put him at a 3/22/25 completion date. 3/22 like Order 322 Skull and Crossbones. For yet another Skull and Crossbones association with this man, lol.
 
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I didn't really pay attention to any solo work any of the others did, besides JH (and YG of course, already have shared my thoughts here about that album). I gave JH's album a couple listens, and at the time when it came out, I liked it. Now however, I'm bored of it. The album did get a lot of attention early on, and sustained that attention for a while, even though promotions weren't that plentiful and people eventually stopped talking about the album a few months later. But aside from YG and J!n, there isn't continuous talk about any of the solo work a few months after release. I'm sure that it will be the same for Tae and JK as time goes on.

And I really, really did think that if Tae released a solo album, that because he's the most popular member, the album would explode in popularity regardless of quality. But nope, that didn't happen. Pretty much everyone seems to have forgotten it. Even a friend of mine who likes Tae a lot, doesn't talk about his solo album anymore. And it's funny to me that his own fans aren't going bonkers for him, given that a couple years ago fans were begging to Tae and JK to release solo albums. There was a huge amount of speculation about what their albums would be about, when they'd be released, all over twitter and tumblr. And now it is radio silence.

In regard to YG as a host or music producer... Producer yes, absolutely. Host? No. I tried to watch the RM episode of his variety show and I was so bored a few minutes in and clicked off. Tried to watch a non-BTS interview he did and again, BORING. This variety show is an excuse for YG to drink and to get a chance to talk to his fave people, and basically boast about the special people he knows. That doesn't mean I don't think he respects the people he's interviewed, but I do think there's a level of ego-inflation in the variety show and concerts as well.

What I'll say is this: The variety show is meh, but, it plays to the Korean audience. Combined with his ability to collaborate with other musicians and produce songs for them, his own music which is consistent across all his mixtapes/albums, his charity work, doing commercials, producing music for brands, modeling for V@lentino, the NBA sponsorship, and overall well-rounded behavior, he is showing he's capable of having a K-pop oriented career. He is showing he can exist outside of BT5 and is marketable. He generally looks "good", not good as in behaving like an angel, but good in terms of what Koreans expect from an idol. He has never branched into acting, and I doubt he will, but he probably could get away with not acting beyond the occasional commercial. So yeah, as much as I think the variety show sucks, it is helping his career at least.
I agree about YG’s variety show- it bores me to death as well! The only time it’s been slightly interesting is when he has interviewed women. Those interviews were a small margin better lol. It seems like he interviews a lil better with women or something- a more interesting dynamic occurs. But yea, he’s pretty well-rounded in the industry with apparently lots of options.
 

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And if his public service has been negotiated to 18 months, this would put him at a 3/22/25 completion date. 3/22 like Order 322 Skull and Crossbones. For yet another Skull and Crossbones association with this man, lol.
Interesting! :)
 

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Hyb3's OT7 policy destroyed their solo careers. They should learn from $M and YG. All $M idols start to do individual activities after 5-6 years of debut and by the time they go to the military some of them at least have established solo careers. Look at Ex0 members. D.0 was an established actor, Ka1 and B@ekhyun got to release 3 mini albums each before they enlisted. Similarly, soloists from YG (GD, Taeyang, Mino,Bobby) got to do a lot of solo activities before enlisting. GD and T@emin in particular had a long and impactful solo career by the time they enlisted. If Hyb3 wanted to launch Jkay as the next big pop star they should have given him a solo debut earlier. I doubt if he was ready for one before though. Hyb3 and Scooter threw so much money on him but his song could not get a billboard No1. The hype surrounding his solo debut is already dying. I don't think he will have longevity as an artist. Hyb3 probably knows they are not talented enough to carry a solo career that's why they want them to reunite as a group so badly.
It appears that Bang operates on the "business technique" called "cheaper by the dozen..." There must be a higher capex (capital expenditure) for solos than groups in the entertainment industry... It's the BTS brand that gives him much revenue...so the BTS solos were just a "forced" situation because of the mandatory military enlistment of the members...He could've launched the solos earlier on if he really wanted it... The BTS solos could also be a "threat" to their company because the individual members could've more easily quit and become free agents...hence, keeping all 7 members could be harder...So, in the "middle of the military service time" of the members, Bang has to "corner" them to sign up for another contract...
 

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It appears that Bang operates on the "business technique" called "cheaper by the dozen..." There must be a higher capex (capital expenditure) for solos than groups in the entertainment industry... It's the BTS brand that gives him much revenue...so the BTS solos were just a "forced" situation because of the mandatory military enlistment of the members...He could've launched the solos earlier on if he really wanted it... The BTS solos could also be a "threat" to their company because the individual members could've more easily quit and become free agents...hence, keeping all 7 members could be harder...So, in the "middle of the military service time" of the members, Bang has to "corner" them to sign up for another contract...
Interesting
 

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I’ve also noticed over the years that Yoongi tends to wear skull and crossbones on other calendar days associated with this society in gematria as well. It has really led me to believe Yoongi probably understands English quite well. More than he shows.
I find Suga...the "most mysterious" among them...and the "boldest" when it comes to "patronizing" the dark/evil side of the industry...Halsey, his close friend, is a self-confessed satanist...their recent collab is a testament to the seeming "common allegiance" they have...
 

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I find Suga...the "most mysterious" among them...and the "boldest" when it comes to "patronizing" the dark/evil side of the industry...Halsey, his close friend, is a self-confessed satanist...their recent collab is a testament to the seeming "common allegiance" they have...
Ahhh. Interesting. This would explain Diablo more and some of their other common traits like both of them having stage names that are anagrams of their other names which relate to places that they have lived. Halsey’s birthday is 9/29 like “Brotherhood of Death” aka Skull and Bones in the reverse Satanic Cipher in Gematria. Both Yoongi and Halsey’s birthdays together also create a Biblical riddle: there are 39 books in the Old Testament and 929 chapters. Those 2 are truly two peas in a pod, birds of one feather.

And speaking of Diablo and Skull and Bones. You might remember when Yoongi posted that Diablo quote this past summer over his social media account: “I have returned to hell for you”. There was an article about it and everything. That quote equals 322 in gematria like Order 322. Even his instagram posts have been paused at 149 posts for nearly 3 months now. “The Brotherhood of Death” and “Skull and Bones” are both 149 in gematria. His last IG post is also an NBA Ambassador photo of his which is yet another big gematria riddle with him.

Not to mention, there was 1 month 12 days between his last birthday and the release of his DDay album like 112. The Brotherhood of Death is 112 in gematria. He released D2, his album prior to DDAY on 5/22, the day leaving 223 days in the year- 223 like Skull and Crossbones. And the show title “Suchwita” along with it’s theme song “Daechwita” both equal 223 (and other society-related numbers) in gematria as well. And I’m just getting started with him. I’m telling you it runs deep with this man. Deep! So much so in fact that it seems like for his entire public persona he’s playing a scripted character.
 

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The reason they are desperate to reuinite is because the music industry nowadays gets its money from touring and everyone knows it. Look at Taylor $wift, the whole music industry is jealous of her tour which will earn her more money than all of Hybe’s stock is worth. Nobody is buying albums anymore and streaming numbers and charts are easily faked and used more as marketing than revenue. Bt$ are already past their peak and they need to have another big tour before they become more irrelevant. None of the members can do a big tour alone, that is why they stick to the group.

I actually think that they tried really hard to make J K the breakout star and make him the next Justin Timberlake or Harry Styles. They spent spent a lot of money and the most time on him as evident by $cooter’s losses. They gave him more push, promo and payola than even big acts. Yet they failed. None of the songs became hits outside of Korea, his solo performances were lackluster and he didn’t even manage to become mainstream in the US and break out of the kpop niche like Bongo desperately wanted. The members are not stupid, they also want the most money and touring is where the cash is. The bt$ brand is the most lucrative thing they all have going on.
 
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I agree about YG’s variety show- it bores me to death as well! The only time it’s been slightly interesting is when he has interviewed women. Those interviews were a small margin better lol. It seems like he interviews a lil better with women or something- a more interesting dynamic occurs. But yea, he’s pretty well-rounded in the industry with apparently lots of options.
I haven't watched any interviews he's done with women on the variety show, so I can't offer insight to that. He has collaborated musically with more women than men, which I've always found interesting. I did watch the show IU did with YG, and he came off way too strong in that interview, he went a little too far with his usual teasing people that he does, though she handled that well. It's like YG forgot how to shutup, lol. Despite that one thing, I have seen enough interactions between him and women and he seems, I dunno, more confident around women than men? Like he's not trying that hard to impress them, and is just chilling like they're buddies. It's definitely a sign he's not straight, and could also be a sign that he's pansexual, since most people who are pansexual are chill with everybody until someone catches their interest (That could be why he's less restrained around IU).

He's definitely not intimidated by, threatened by or disgusted by women, which is a heavy contrast to his bandmates who don't know how to act around women.
 

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Okay these are odd things
1.jkay does live shirtless.. goes to shower and forgot to turn off live.. to keep those ff fans active
2. Bpe goes to royal house and betes is mentioned there especially their song dynamite...and my universe..i just thought they are connected but never thought they have contacts with elites. After this a rumour is going on that bpe renewed contract
3.maknea line is going at a time... this so odd bcs they took chances of maknea line. Those 3 have more fans compared to whole group it is their good chance to shine actually, it is as that hype never wanted them to shine..
 

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3.maknea line is going at a time... this so odd bcs they took chances of maknea line. Those 3 have more fans compared to whole group it is their good chance to shine actually, it is as that hype never wanted them to shine..
maknae line are the most popular
but do they have the talent or charisma to shine as solos ?

thats the thing.....Veee always had a lot of fans but his solo was irrelevant
his fans only care about his looks
remember he had an acting oportunity early on his career, but his acting was very bad

JM?¿ decent dancer but terrible singer,. Hybe gave up on him when they saw that live performance that was mocked everywhere

JK? welll Hybe did everything they could with this one....very expensive music videos, a solo album with lots of promo. now he is doing a remix with Justin Timberlake (who asked for this?)

 
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