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I think this is an excellent theory, and a strong possibility that it has happened.

I did some reading earlier. Men who don't qualify for active duty, aka the social service agent, in some cases have the option to choose to serve in active duty anyway. Social service work is 21 months as opposed to the 18 months for active duty, and I find this super interesting. YG had a choice and chose to be there longer, though it does go with many of his old music where he criticizes the mandatory military service. Additionally, social service work is typically done in educational facilities with young children, or working with people who have dementia. Social service workers are bound by a confidentiality agreement, and can't share anything about their work at all, or face jail time. That kind of explains the lack of updates.

What strikes me as odd is, for J!n there were many updates about the quality of his training and behavior during training, without giving specific, but just saying he was a good example. There's no reason why those same type of updates could be made about YG, such as "he works hard" or whatever, without giving away info about the civilians he works with. Afterall, over the years random people have popped up to share stories about YG, saying predominantly favorable things, (probably paid to share these stories to fit a specific narrative), so it is weird for these social service stories to not have been shared yet. Unless there's a legal reason why nobody is saying a word.

Edit: I wanted to add that something like a shoulder surgery, or basically surgery like what YG had, is not something that would disqualify someone from active duty. Physical disabilities that would disqualify someone are being underweight or obese, a significant physical disability in which someone might use a wheelchair or have an amputated limb or deaf, blind, etc., cancer, other health problems that would make service impossible such as heart disease or something like that. For mental health, one of the things listed is obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). YG is known to have OCD, he even mentions it in the lyrics of The Last. Fans also speculate he has ADHD, and we do know for a fact that he is/was clinically depressed. Prior to the surgery he scored higher, but had less mobility back then, but after the surgery he was disqualified, so I don't think the shoulder is even a factor in how he was disqualified from active duty. Only other thing I can speculate is that he either wasn't diagnosed with OCD before testing for military qualification, OR he was diagnosed prior as his lyrics suggest and it just didn't have enough of an impact on him back then to disqualify him. I should note that disorders grow with a person and change as we get older, so it could be problematic enough today to disqualify him. But again, that's all speculation.
So you think it may be depression, OCD, and potentially ADHD that has Yoongi in public service rather than active duty? Maybe so. But he always acts so glib, nonchalant, chill, and focused for a person with OCD/ADHD. Or perhaps this is his way of self- managing or masking his troubles. Idk, I’m not a psychiatrist, lol. But what I do know a bit about is how this dirty industry works and how much connections matter. And judging by some patterns I’ve noticed with Yoongi, I think it is possible he might have some kind of special connections. It seems like he is the one in BTS who is shown wearing Skull and Bones on Skull and Bones days. More than once when the group or members of the group have gone live on a Skull and Bones day, Yoongi has been shown sporting those Skull and Bones. When he appears like this, it always makes me think about what this might mean about him.
 

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So, clones. Are these actually body doubles or what?
it depends on the individual situation. You just have to watch closely. Politics and royal family most likely body doubles/masks/ai (biological person or plain robot) for basic protections like if someone were to try and hurt them in public they don't want someone of an important bloodline being taken off the earth. Celebs usually clones/computer generated most of the time because clones are disposable and can be easily controlled for specific events or purposes. Ai movies and stuff are replacing actors and musicians totally. It's cheaper. Clones can tour and perform and whatnot. Also there's microchips, inside clones for a sort of remote control situation. The more you read/research and stuff it'll be easier to tell what is what, but it's hard to figure out 100 percent on anything unless they screw up really bad and make a mistake on camera. If there's a handler present it's most likely a clone because clones aren't that mentally developed. They can rapidly speed up the physical development but not the mental state.

Different people have different opinions on the topic tho.
 

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it depends on the individual situation. You just have to watch closely. Politics and royal family most likely body doubles/masks/ai (biological person or plain robot) for basic protections like if someone were to try and hurt them in public they don't want someone of an important bloodline being taken off the earth. Celebs usually clones/computer generated most of the time because clones are disposable and can be easily controlled for specific events or purposes. Ai movies and stuff are replacing actors and musicians totally. It's cheaper. Clones can tour and perform and whatnot. Also there's microchips, inside clones for a sort of remote control situation. The more you read/research and stuff it'll be easier to tell what is what, but it's hard to figure out 100 percent on anything unless they screw up really bad and make a mistake on camera. If there's a handler present it's most likely a clone because clones aren't that mentally developed. They can rapidly speed up the physical development but not the mental state.

Different people have different opinions on the topic tho.
Hmmm. This goes really deep huh. I hear a lot about all this cloning and multiplicity methods and tech behind these elites and famous people and it’s a lot to take in. I keep flexible in my thinking and observe things carefully and closely, but quite frankly I find the cloning stuff hard to believe on a conscious level. But at the same time there have been moments where I have seen footage of celebs (including BTS) at events and have immediately got the impression where it genuinely didn’t seem like it was really them (and maybe not even human). I was at a meet and greet many years ago with this group (before I’d heard of cloning or anything )and the same sensation struck me, only stronger; I got the feeling they weren’t human and they did not speak. One of the members also looked different than the way they appear on TV or the way I had previously seen them in concert. I call it a sensation b/c for me this is the best way I can describe it. It’s a visceral realization that just kind of hits all at once and I know something is off. It’s above anything analytical and is subconscious and very, very weird. I am sure I miss and have missed plenty of things, but the times where I clock things- it’s crazy. And makes me feel crazy as well and want to just write it off.
 

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So you think it may be depression, OCD, and potentially ADHD that has Yoongi in public service rather than active duty? Maybe so. But he always acts so glib, nonchalant, chill, and focused for a person with OCD/ADHD. Or perhaps this is his way of self- managing or masking his troubles. Idk, I’m not a psychiatrist, lol. But what I do know a bit about is how this dirty industry works and how much connections matter. And judging by some patterns I’ve noticed with Yoongi, I think it is possible he might have some kind of special connections. It seems like he is the one in BTS who is shown wearing Skull and Bones on Skull and Bones days. More than once when the group or members of the group have gone live on a Skull and Bones day, Yoongi has been shown sporting those Skull and Bones. When he appears like this, it always makes me think about what this might mean about him.
He probably went to PS because of his shoulder injury. Koreans don't take mental health seriously and they can't qualify for PS unless someone's depression is so severe that it prevents them from functioning normally, or they have a neurological disorder like epilepsy which could physically prevent them from serving in active duty.

There was a recent case in SK where celebrities and a few idols with the help of a doctor faked their medical records to avoid active duty service. The doctor would diagnose them with epilepsy because normal mental health disorders like depression and anxiety were not considered enough for avoiding active duty service. Furthermore, Taemin had been taking medication for depression and panic disorder before enlistment and they still sent him to active duty because he was considered physically fit to do the service. They only transferred him to social service after his mental health rapidly declined and his situation started to get out of control. G-dragon served in active duty even after he had a surgery to repair his broken ankle. It really isn't easy for Korean men to evade military service or get qualified for public service. Normal Korean men are forced to serve even if they have stage 1 cancer so YG getting qualified for PS just because of OCD or ADHD which are quite manageable seems unlikely. In most cases people who qualify for PS have a physical condition like severe injuries or broken bones.


SK doesn't care about mental health. A lot of Korean men get depression and C-PTSD from serving in military and there was an article released few years ago that said 3 Korean men commit suicide in the K-military every single day. Regular Korean men also have it much worse than idols. They are probably treating YG better than most ordinary Korean guys because he is a powerful celebrity. Fans don't want to admit but their oppas do get celebrity privilege. Idols and actors are more likely to get qualified for social service and the bar is usually lower for celebs than the average Korean man.
 
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He probably went to PS because of his shoulder injury. Koreans don't take mental health seriously and they can't qualify for PS unless someone's depression is so severe that it prevents them from functioning normally, or they have a neurological disorder like epilepsy which could physically prevent them from serving in active duty.

There was a recent case in SK where celebrities and a few idols with the help of a doctor faked their medical records to avoid active duty service. The doctor would diagnose them with epilepsy because normal mental health disorders like depression and anxiety were not considered enough for avoiding active duty service. Furthermore, Taemin had been taking medication for depression and panic disorder before enlistment and they still sent him to active duty because he was considered physically fit to do the service. They only transferred him to social service after his mental health rapidly declined and his situation started to get out of control. G-dragon served in active duty even after he had a surgery to repair his broken ankle. It really isn't easy for Korean men to evade military service or get qualified for public service. Normal Korean men are forced to serve even if they have stage 1 cancer so YG getting qualified for PS just because of OCD or ADHD which are quite manageable seems unlikely. In most cases people who qualify for PS have a physical condition like severe injuries or broken bones.


SK doesn't care about mental health. A lot of Korean men get depression and C-PTSD from serving in military and there was an article released few years ago that said 3 Korean men commit suicide in the K-military every single day. Regular Korean men also have it much worse than idols. They are probably treating YG better than most ordinary Korean guys because he is a powerful celebrity. Fans don't want to admit but their oppas do get celebrity privilege. Idols and actors are more likely to get qualified for social service and the bar is usually lower for celebs than the average Korean man.
Yea, I think most of us had heard he got public service b/c of his shoulder injury. But even with that, the man got his shoulder surgery over 3 years ago now, and has since resumed the overperformance style choreography with the rest of the group, and carried a world tour and everything. How unfit and injured is he really? During his tour how he injured his shoulder was part of the show, and was almost portrayed as some kind of weird ritual or something. It seems like there is so much more than we are being told about this shoulder…It never has felt quite right to me. And even really his first appearance back on stage post his surgery hiatus. Almost like they made a ritual out if it. It was definitely played up on and milked for sympathy as much as possible- quite dramatic. Even had some interesting gematria.
 
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Yea, I think most of us had heard he got public service b/c of his shoulder injury. But even with that, the man got his shoulder surgery over 3 years ago now, and has since resumed the overperformance style choreography with the rest of the group, and carried a world tour and everything. How unfit and injured is he really? During his tour how he injured his shoulder was part of the show, and was almost portrayed as some kind of weird ritual or something.
The surgery being three years ago is why I don't think it's got anything to do with him being in public service. That and the fact that he can do all that physical labor, too.

I think the shoulder injury was part of the concert VCRs because it was featured in the MV for Amygdala. And to provoke sympathy. I mean, getting run over by a car is something you don't really get over, had the car been a little more to the left his head and upper body would've been run over and he might have been killed. So yeah.

I really do think it's mental health related. That's the only logical reason why he could've have disqualified for active duty. Even with a diagnosis and whatever treatment he might be on. We don't really know how the SK gov't defines being incapacitated due to mental illness, so what might seem fine to us might not seem fine to them. Who knows. Also, a person can seem okay on the surface but have a bigger issue going on internally that we don't see. There's a moment during the documentary that went with the album, when he's explaining Amygdala to JM, and when he starts talking about how the song is looking at specific problems he has faced, he says "it's part of the treatment", and that is way too specific to be nothing.
 
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The surgery being three years ago is why I don't think it's got anything to do with him being in public service. That and the fact that he can do all that physical labor, too.

I think the shoulder injury was part of the concert VCRs because it was featured in the MV for Amygdala. And to provoke sympathy. I mean, getting run over by a car is something you don't really get over, had the car been a little more to the left his head and upper body would've been run over and he might have been killed. So yeah.

I really do think it's mental health related. That's the only logical reason why he could've have disqualified for active duty. Even with a diagnosis and whatever treatment he might be on. We don't really know how the SK gov't defines being incapacitated due to mental illness, so what might seem fine to us might not seem fine to them. Who knows. Also, a person can seem okay on the surface but have a bigger issue going on internally that we don't see. There's a moment during the documentary that went with the album, when he's explaining Amygdala to JM, and when he starts talking about how the song is looking at specific problems he has faced, he says "it's part of the treatment", and that is way too specific to be nothing.
Yea mental illness may be hidden. This is a well-known pattern and not really the argument or issue. My issue is more the secret society pattern around Yoongi combined with his story- especially the part about getting run over or nearly run over (and as I understand it) left for dead. How long did he just lie there? Noone noticed this boy in the road or tried to get help for him? How did he not end up getting run over completely as he laid there for an unspecified amount of time? Then when he came to, he just got himself up off the ground bum/ dislocated shoulder and all, and walked home with no medical attention? I’m assuming no ER visit b/c had he went, it seems as if Big Hit or others might have easily found out about his injury and part time job he wanted to keep under wraps. The story never really made any sense to me. Then add this story with the Skull and Bones, to the later theatrics. This is my problem. I don’t mean to be insensitive about someone getting hurt and nearly dying, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems like if anything, the part about Big Hit not initially being aware he got hurt delivering papers is not true and was added to embellish the story. Just my speculation though.
 

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Yea mental illness may be hidden. This is a well-known pattern and not really the argument or issue. My issue is more the secret society pattern around Yoongi combined with his story- especially the part about getting run over or nearly run over (and as I understand it) left for dead. How long did he just lie there? Noone noticed this boy in the road or tried to get help for him? How did he not end up getting run over completely as he laid there for an unspecified amount of time? Then when he came to, he just got himself up off the ground bum/ dislocated shoulder and all, and walked home with no medical attention? I’m assuming no ER visit b/c had he went, it seems as if Big Hit or others might have easily found out about his injury and part time job he wanted to keep under wraps. The story never really made any sense to me. Then add this story with the Skull and Bones, to the later theatrics. This is my problem. I don’t mean to be insensitive about someone getting hurt and nearly dying, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems like if anything, the part about Big Hit not initially being aware he got hurt delivering papers is not true and was added to embellish the story. Just my speculation though.
Maybe the story was fabricated....its not rare for celebrities to make up stories. Maybe he got the injury from something else.
 

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Yea mental illness may be hidden. This is a well-known pattern and not really the argument or issue. My issue is more the secret society pattern around Yoongi combined with his story- especially the part about getting run over or nearly run over (and as I understand it) left for dead. How long did he just lie there? Noone noticed this boy in the road or tried to get help for him? How did he not end up getting run over completely as he laid there for an unspecified amount of time? Then when he came to, he just got himself up off the ground bum/ dislocated shoulder and all, and walked home with no medical attention? I’m assuming no ER visit b/c had he went, it seems as if Big Hit or others might have easily found out about his injury and part time job he wanted to keep under wraps. The story never really made any sense to me. Then add this story with the Skull and Bones, to the later theatrics. This is my problem. I don’t mean to be insensitive about someone getting hurt and nearly dying, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems like if anything, the part about Big Hit not initially being aware he got hurt delivering papers is not true and was added to embellish the story. Just my speculation though.
It's easy for me to believe he hid it. Mainly because I have seen people being absolutely sure they have a tumor, or some other serious medical issue, and not seeking help because they don't wanna hear the bad news. People are extremely irrational when it comes to going to the doctor.
 

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Yea mental illness may be hidden. This is a well-known pattern and not really the argument or issue. My issue is more the secret society pattern around Yoongi combined with his story- especially the part about getting run over or nearly run over (and as I understand it) left for dead. How long did he just lie there? Noone noticed this boy in the road or tried to get help for him? How did he not end up getting run over completely as he laid there for an unspecified amount of time? Then when he came to, he just got himself up off the ground bum/ dislocated shoulder and all, and walked home with no medical attention? I’m assuming no ER visit b/c had he went, it seems as if Big Hit or others might have easily found out about his injury and part time job he wanted to keep under wraps. The story never really made any sense to me. Then add this story with the Skull and Bones, to the later theatrics. This is my problem. I don’t mean to be insensitive about someone getting hurt and nearly dying, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems like if anything, the part about Big Hit not initially being aware he got hurt delivering papers is not true and was added to embellish the story. Just my speculation though.
You know, I always wondered the same thing. Like the whole story doesn’t add up to me. Like there are a lot of holes in the story. I always wondered if he was seriously injured, how’d he hide it and how does he dance on the floor while having such pain? Something is not right about it. I just can’t believe it because too many inconsistent parts. I don’t know because I don’t know him so it’s hard to tell for sure. It’s just a weird story and I just don’t believe it. I agree with what you said.
 

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Maybe the story was fabricated....its not rare for celebrities to make up stories. Maybe he got the injury from something else.
Yeah. I’m thinking it could be embellished so he can seem more relatable. People love to see those whole pull themselves up by hard work and sacrifice. The establishment could’ve created this story for him to seem more relatable. I really don’t know for sure.
 

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You know, I always wondered the same thing. Like the whole story doesn’t add up to me. Like there are a lot of holes in the story. I always wondered if he was seriously injured, how’d he hide it and how does he dance on the floor while having such pain? Something is not right about it. I just can’t believe it because too many inconsistent parts. I don’t know because I don’t know him so it’s hard to tell for sure. It’s just a weird story and I just don’t believe it. I agree with what you said.
And seeing the video of it Amygdala, and especially in concert. It’s just very unbelievable. And the DDAY concert it was like a ritual for real. And remember the 35th Golden Disc Awards when he made his return after surgery. The performance was very much like a ritual. They had him standing up in the middle of the stage between the giant wings… And oh my goodness, how could I forget about the Yoongi hologram moment that was made possible largely due to his shoulder surgery…BTS’ comeback with that song and performance would not have been as interesting had Yoongi not had his surgery around that time and been missing and all that.
 
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Yeah. I’m thinking it could be embellished so he can seem more relatable. People love to see those whole pull themselves up by hard work and sacrifice. The establishment could’ve created this story for him to seem more relatable. I really don’t know for sure.
And you know. I think this is the purpose of the whole Paper Boy story. To be relatable and garner sympathy. To make him look like he was just your average kid working (double time) to make money, since his family was poor. And then all of a sudden, when he’s just doing his job, some jerk nearly runs him over and flees the scene, leaving Yoongi alone to now work even harder to a acheive his dreams. But I’m not so sure his family was actually poor. I doubt they were actually.
 

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And you know. I think this is the purpose of the whole Paper Boy story. To be relatable and garner sympathy. To make him look like he was just your average kid working (double time) to make money, since his family was poor. And then all of a sudden, when he’s just doing his job, some jerk nearly runs him over and flees the scene, leaving Yoongi alone to now work even harder to a acheive his dreams. But I’m not so sure his family was actually poor. I doubt they were actually.
Yeah. I remember him saying that he has royalty in his bloodline. I don’t know how true it is but it seems so because it could explain the real reason for his success.

also, it’s extremely difficult to be successful in this industry if you are poor or come from humble beginnings. Majority of idols came from rich upbringing which gives them access to the best lessons to perform. They have a huge advantage over someone who is less affluent.

if the dynasty story is true, it could explain how he was able to be so successful and had the training to do so. Like I said before, I have no idea if his rags to riches story is true or not. I can’t really know.

All I can say is that this type of information serves two purposes.
One is to teach and groom people to believe that they can pull themselves into the rich elite class. Not saying anything is wrong with working hard or being a hard worker. I’m talking about they never really disclose that you have to join the secret groups to access those networks to make it really high.

Two is I think if they paint this picture of him, it can hide and overshadow his true nature that they don’t want us to see. Like he could be just playing a character. We really don’t know if these stories are true at all. The story helps drives sales and make him and the company more successful. Also, it can serve to make people. Believe they are supporting a good cause/person.
 

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And seeing the video of it Amygdala, and especially in concert. It’s just very unbelievable. And the DDAY concert it was like a ritual for real. And remember the 35th Golden Disc Awards when he made his return after surgery. The performance was very much like a ritual. They had him standing up in the middle of the stage between the giant wings…
Yeah. I remember I watch his concert online and it was very dark and creepy. It had a very clairvoyant, dark ethereal presence to it. I turned it off. His music is very dark and emotional. It’s not many uplifting songs. He seems like a dark person and I think he has many secrets.

If he came from humble beginnings, he definitely had to change once he started going up the ranks. The same thing seems to be happening with Jaykay
 

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he's a narcisist like the other members, all of them are ..
Do you think he is the most narcissistic member? I always thought how can these people even stay humble when they have all these people groveling at their feet 24/7? I don’t think their personalities are very authentic.
 
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