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taepeach

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Some 'fans' just really dont care about their idols. This was from their 5th muster in Japan, which had to be around late november, which is pretty recent and shows to this day theyre overworked and their success doesnt make them more favorable to the management. They just provide money for bighit, bang p.d. and thats it. Its the second clip of jungkook passing out and there obviously must be even more of this happening behind the cameras...


This kind of goes along with the female staff (if there is any, even male staff) discussion, if its true they arent aware of what is posted or not, then they dont know about their clothes and conversations and info stolen and discovered by them. Although it can really just be bt$ just following a script and are made to act and say certain things in each vid, but either way they are exposed to cameras 24/7, the deleted/not included scenes are probably sold and shared amongst the staff and others alligned to them. Its literally like a mini female mafia group lol
 






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Wow.
Some stuff are scripted and annoying. Such as they force themselves to look "exhausted" and faking heavy breathing after performing. They did that on every award show for the past two years since I've observed it. They go on the stage, doing playback, performing a simple choreography but are out of breath. The funny thing is they are all 'n sync with their "exhausted" breathing.
The Jungkook collapses that I've seen look real.

They know already that they are being filmed while undressing. Why don't they just use the bathroom or get everyone out? It's their decision to be filmed in their "hotness", eventhough Jungkook might be hot, Jin's body might also look good. But Taehyung's eternal belly fat it's not appealing. Not when you're a dancer.
Their lawyers should have stipulated that no private recordings are allowed.
Even if their lawyer didn't, their common sense should have made it clear that unless there is a written approval, it's invasion of privacy. Most of their recordings are invasion of privacy. What fans want to see the most are exactly those private recordings that their female staff members are sharing amongst them.

I am sorry to say, but his face looks very much like someone in a sexual state. I am following some instagram accounts and before I knew where the clips are from (at the beginning of my discovery), I thought those pictures are raunchy edits made by fans.
By releasing this material, Bang Si-Hyuk/BigHit catches two flies at once - activating the empathy in the brain of the girl fans while raising sexual fantasies.
I admit, that me myself unconsciously have related those images to sexual acts. When I've found out that he was actually sick, or whatever..faking that he is sick, I felt uncomfortable. But that's how the brain works. You see that image, it looks sexual.

The recordings showing Jungkook in that state (sick) are images with sensitive content. They shouldn't be allowed to publish those without parental consent. I don't see anywhere on their DVD's parental consent. Or the movie they've released in theaters.

On a side note - this is Taehyung, the one complaining about obsessive fans, posting again a selfie. A man, getting a perm and posting about it like a 8 y old girl. Two wrongs.

You raise some good points but in others you're just being hateful which is wrong. It's normal for people to get tired after exerting tremendous amounts of energy numerous times while filiming in the middle of the night. Of course Big Hit wants to use this as marketing to prevent weakness and make fans feel closer to and pity the artist but if it was completely fake why not just have a member pretend to faint during a performance?
They're constantly being monitored and it's not like theyre completely naked. Just like changing for any play, you sometimes need to undress in front of others while they help you get ready. It's pretty normal in any performances because it's a professional environment. The problem is them being filmed for other purposes and that trust being violated. Your comments about their bodies are completely unnecessary as well.

It seems youre so blinded by your hate for them you can't even make rational points anymore. What's wrong with someone getting a perm?? Have you never seen someone get tired after working out?

The problems being illustrated are with Big Hit yet you barely mention them and instead trash on the victims in the situation..
 






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Taehyung as well... pure human exploitation before our eyes... may bighit burn to ashes...

I can't stand it anymore. Modern slavery at its finest. I am so disgusted right now..
And Big Hit proudly release this as paid content to emotionally manipulate gullible fans into thinking "Wow they work so hard for us!" and "They trust fans so much!"

There is actually a ton of backlash against Big Hit right now but just as many people defending that trash of a company saying that we only see it because BTS wants to share their vulnerable sides with us. Maybe once or twice is normal but cameras being shoved in the faces of members who are crying or completely exhausted or on the verge of passing out happens all to often to the point that it's clearly another twisted marketing technique. Yet people overlook it and call the people angry at Big Hit crazy...
 






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I agree althou
Sometimes I faint from being stressed let alone overworked. They're stressed , overworked , sometimes in order to look fit they dont eat anything before a show and stay up late at night practicing...performance after another, jet lagged, and it was summer let's not forget Japan summers are burning hot.. of course they're gonna collapse backstage...
If their fans had little respect for them they'd sign a petition , let them FREAKING rest. We dont need lots of concerts one after another we dont need to see them at their most vulnerable we dont need their LIVES to become a freaking reality show keeping up with bts ! For our own entertainment!!! Stop treating HUMAN BEINGS AS PRODUCTS AS OBJECTS.

But no... most their fans keeps demanding more more and more... as if bts were their own personal drug and they keep paying extra money for extra content...

I bet you if army decided to boycott those shows and merch bighit would go bankrupt. For one am glad they're resting now ( well they keep filming.. ) but at least it is less exhausting than concerts.

They're floaded with contents and because of extreme brainwashing bighit could never do wrong in their eyes when truth and evidence of human SLAVERY is before their eyes ! And for what ? Stupid videos , stupid merch , stupid shows...
It reminds me of the book A Brave New World... it has the same core as the hook 1984 by Orwell the difference is instead of making people submit by dictatorship and annihilating freedom of speech. You let them enslave themselves by pleasure. Their rational thinking is annihilated and you can make them accept anything as long as you keep serving them whatever pleasures and luxuries they indulge themselves with.View attachment 34909
I agree , partly the fans (consumers) can be blamed partly the boys ( the knew what this idol live was about) . But the company is the one framing bts in a way that they become a drugg to PROFIT of them . Wich is their job but this degree is very unhealthy for the fans and the boys. They decided to agree with this lifestyle for whatever reasons . I honestly feel more sorry for fans .
 






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Yeah i find that so insane...do people really think staff are just there to get paid and do their job?? They are easily able to take advantage of their status/position to hook up with the guys or steal information, or force the guys to do as they say, especially the female staff...bt$ has become so big no one is actually interested in helping with the company or passionate in producing music/fashion design for the idols, they all just want to simply be near bt$. Literally before they announced the audition dates for the new girl group, many girls just said they want to be with bt$, despite not being aware you have to take brutal criticism and diets and train til you pass out, and have TALENT.

The staff are with them 24/7 you can imagine every detailed thing bt$ speak about and do behind the cameras, and as secret sasaengs just sharing those info to their other cultist sasaeng allies. The staff are the REAL sasaengs compared to the 'fan' sasaengs who never personally been with the boys but why hasnt bighit fired them then? Talking bout consequences for malicious comments when the idols have to pretend to be happy and obey the staff and managers so they wont be verbally abused or even threatened....What a shame their faces are covered up and blurred in cameras so nobody can catch them and expose them :rolleyes:

Sasaengs always interested/intrigued me that i even started a research paper all about them for AP Research class but the work was just too overwhelming for me so i failed the class lol but im good! I thought it was only these young girls/women who are obsessed with them but its no surprise is the very people in the music industry expose and harrass the idols, and sadly its just not bt$.

Edit: Literally the members look perfectly fine from head to toe yet there are like 4 girls running up to them "touching them up" just to have an excuse to touch them and be 3 inches away from their face:rolleyes:
They should just tell these staff members to f off. Like, get away from me, I don't need your help right now.
 






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Here's something I noticed I think things will be 10x more worse behind the scenes if things are like this I wonder what they're like not being filmed. The day Kook got his leg injury it took about an hour to sort out the problem-so I felt there was some stage fright going on.

So I was looking behind the scenes and could see that the staff were walking up and down the stairs beforehand. I wonder why all the staff were walking a mile away from what was going on? There was about 4 of them together alone.

At least provide some assistance and support. It really felt like they were there just for the saesaeng information.. they really didn't look like true staff. :oops:
 






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I wonder why this is suddenly trending... they clearly chose to release the video clips and knew fans were going to question the member's treatment.

Well that is the scary part, they are blurred out, have private insta/twitter accounts and only follow the other dozens of people in their circle which they can easy just exchange and sell clothes and info from the members, they take advantage of that and armys themselves think that they can get away with it just cuz they are staff and a "biiig familyyy"..they must be signed to the same oath as the members and obviously keeo their mouth shut at all times..thats how sasaeng works they want to keep their rare treasures to themselves and live in this world where they are the only ones that know and seen bts personally, and since its obsession, they manipulate and take advantage of the idol. Like yeah thats what a staff does but bts being so big do people think some staff havent shown a bit of interest in them? But at the same time arent they getting what they want, all the personal attention from the female staff?

theres this account in instagram that has bighit in their bio and "'02", if that represents a year then that means she is most likely 16-18 years old, definitely younger when she first joined. Ive always wondered what age do they choose to be staff?
 






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my question is how the heck do they even get a job there, like bighit seems lenient on choosing their staff
the girl you mentioned that supposedly works there (an 02 liner), we're both nearly the same age, shes so lucky
Lucky lol?! Well maybe lucky to be near txt since they are a bit more innocent lol. I wonder if the staff witness or attend ritual ceremonies with the idols or are just used when the idols are in the company's building. The staff are most likely threatened or payed to be quiet, and with their obsession or interest on personally working for one of the most famous idols it makes them want to commit to their job even more. Make it all 3 of us are the same age lol.
 






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I just posted in the kpop mentality/ bts shipping if you want to talk more about the differences between ships. Plus im interested to know what analysis changed your opinion. Shipping to me is interesting because regardless if its all acting, no one person is that great an actor and there are always some tic to show when they are bluffing.

Of course that falls onto the theory that bts are more real than mk slaves.
I have written there :D hihihi
 






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I listened to their new album. It didn't give me the same "spell" like Love Yourself. I remember when I first listened to LY, I was literally enchanted. There is like some kind of magic in it.

The Map is more personal I think, the group songs still revolve pain, remedy and healing. Like they are suffering and asking anyone to help.

To think about it, almost all their songs are depressing.

My fav is Inner child, I feel like. Vee has been very intriguing personality. Evil or not. He always came out so authentic. For example, when he composed poems for each member, there are a hint of genuineness in it.

The inner child seems like he wanted to talk to his younger self. Maybe give him warning or whatever, like he knows he has gone too far.

I am tired of bashing them.

But somehow when I listened to this album, they kind of know beforehand that there will be no tour, because of the Corona.

So they did not make "global songs" that every radio would play except ON, Blackswan and BiL...
I thought the same, there is magic in their songs. I started to think pied piper :')
 






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idk if they despise each other but I'm sure they are not "best friends" like they say
it was discussed here that TH don't spend much free time with the other BT$ members off camera

and I remember when BT$ had that 2 month break last year, only JM and Hope went to JK birthday while the others can't be bothered....idk but for me that shows who is really close in the group

it's normal to be jealous of the most popular members too. there is always competition in big groups like that
Yass, I feel from tae's gesture that he can't or maybe is not close to them. Because he is so expressive. Then we can know that he can't get into circumstances(?) or this circle. Sometimes, I feel Tae is being alone. There is two reasons why Tae is being silent nowadays. First is he become an adult so he should keep his attitude or he can't enjoy himself anymore, with them. I don't know it's just my feeling. And, except namjoon who always stuck with his phone, there is Tae who more interactive with his phone. Just my analysis during BV4.

I also feel that BTS is SHINee for some reason. I little agree that they're not best friend. Same as SHINee, till now I remember a scene in HELLO BABY, a conversation between Onew and Jonghyun. It seems funny for me back then but I realised that Jonghyun is pure and innocent (for me) to express his feeling rather than Onew(my bias) is an actor. Onew asked member to grilled meat in outside that was winter because they're best friend so they must face it together (I laughed so hard when remember this) then Jonghyun said, "we're not best friend we're just work partner"

And, maybe it's dejavu to BTS now :')
 






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The worse they get at dancing, singing, stage presence, the lower the self-esteem, the higher the need of confirmation, attention, touching from female staffers as well as fans, which are 99% underage girls.
This is from 7 years ago. They all look confident, had spark and stage presence.
The 7 year old version of themselves would kill on stage the actual version of them nowadays.

This is from last year.

Out of sync (they are rarely 'n sync, might not be obvious for the untrained eye, but their dancing is individually low, together worse. On the stage it doesn't matter if you live together with the members, if you are friends or not. It doesn't work that way. Jimin and Hoseok have kept their dancing abilities, unfortunately have made no progress), out of spark, more consumed over how much screaming they get.

Kai solo "Confession"

This is SuperM Jopping and how real dancing looks like.
Yeah, they don't look like girls, cute babies.
Ummm ... WOW!!!!!! SuperM. I'm probably the only person who has never seen that so thanks for posting it. You just made my day. I love this incredible dancing and singing way too much. As for the bangtans, you're right, they don't have the level of synchronicity (if that's the correct word) they used to have. I think as they get older, they may lose even more of that amazing ability they had when they were so young. But at this point, they could sneeze directly on someone and be thanked. I think they could really just sing and rap now. It's always been about the music with them, or at least I thought so. Their music can easily stand on its own in my opinion. And yet they're still such incredible dancers ... hey, what am I doing! I forget myself in the space of two videos (thanks for posting those, too). I will stop now as so many of us are detoxing from a serious addiction to these deceptive shepherds of evil.
 






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I used to be obsessed with them and everything they were involved with just 1 month ago. Now i quit twitter and suddenly i can’t stand their faces and even hear about them. It’s like my obsessive bag filled up so much it finally broke. I don’t want to hate them bc i still listen to jk’s covers now and then but idk, i just cant stand them anymore.

(i still have a poster in my room but i aint taking it down cause i paid for it and it’s aesthetically pleasing)
 






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I used to be obsessed with them and everything they were involved with just 1 month ago. Now i quit twitter and suddenly i can’t stand their faces and even hear about them. It’s like my obsessive bag filled up so much it finally broke. I don’t want to hate them bc i still listen to jk’s covers now and then but idk, i just cant stand them anymore.

(i still have a poster in my room but i aint taking it down cause i paid for it and it’s aesthetically pleasing)
Thats a healthy way of detaching . I personally have never been obsessed with anything kpop related but when I was younger I was obsessed with other artists. And its very interesting to analyse different time periods. I feel like back then the so called ‘obsessive fans’ compared to these times were very normal . Like there wasn’t content overload , no tmi . Sadly some detach in a very unhealthy way where there ‘obsessive bag ‘ breaks due to them realising reality. Or when the idol shows them reality
 






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