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so I googled the song and found this... chyper 3
here is Sugar verse

[Verse 3 : Suga]
From Daegu to Apgujeong my beat that have been laid
The lives of my music that breath and live here and there all over the world

I’m a baby shaman who dances on the jakdu called the beat, that’s me


this is the explanation from Genius lyrics

According to the Encyclopedia of Korean Folkore, “Jakdu, meaning straw cutter, refers to the shamanic device on which a shaman performs the blade dance to demonstrate her spiritual powers.”
In the context of the song, Suga is saying hes become a shaman; because his rap is so good hes dancing on the beat like a shaman dances on a jakdu

Did you know that half of it is a kagemusha?
You're all just big talk with your mouth, but that's rapping
The spirit of my heavy king rap that hits towards the lies of the solicit nompaengis


explanation very interesting:

The reference to “kagemusha” is one of several south asian cultural references in Suga’s verse.
By calling the version of himself shown through the TV a “kagemusha,” hes saying that people don’t really know him that well because the face he shows the world is mostly a mask.
The concept of hiding your true self, wearing a mask, being a doll, etc. actually becomes a recurring motif in BTS' music years after this song was written; most notably in Fake Love in 2018.
 






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so I googled the song and found this... chyper 3
here is Sugar verse

[Verse 3 : Suga]
From Daegu to Apgujeong my beat that have been laid
The lives of my music that breath and live here and there all over the world

I’m a baby shaman who dances on the jakdu called the beat, that’s me


this is the explanation from Genius lyrics

According to the Encyclopedia of Korean Folkore, “Jakdu, meaning straw cutter, refers to the shamanic device on which a shaman performs the blade dance to demonstrate her spiritual powers.”
In the context of the song, Suga is saying hes become a shaman; because his rap is so good hes dancing on the beat like a shaman dances on a jakdu

Did you know that half of it is a kagemusha?
You're all just big talk with your mouth, but that's rapping
The spirit of my heavy king rap that hits towards the lies of the solicit nompaengis


explanation very interesting:

The reference to “kagemusha” is one of several south asian cultural references in Suga’s verse.
By calling the version of himself shown through the TV a “kagemusha,” hes saying that people don’t really know him that well because the face he shows the world is mostly a mask.
The concept of hiding your true self, wearing a mask, being a doll, etc. actually becomes a recurring motif in BTS' music years after this song was written; most notably in Fake Love in 2018.
Wow good explanation. Just shows hiw many layers there are this stuff. Its absolutely crazy how they do this much things and get away with it.
 






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Tae always leaves references to movies he likes and asks people to watch it . ...
So remember when at colbert show.. He said I'm a good boy..

Pockets of the future just made a video on a movie names good boys .

And i just remembered the good boy of beetees.. Tae...
Watch the trailer.. It's disgusting... It is an age restricted movie having little boys who are not allowed to watch their own movie... Because they're under 17 but they playing the parts.. And i am so angry at the comments.. How can poeple find this hilarious.. It's disgusting..



Their good boy and asparagus went side by side during those days..

He's trying to call some dem0n or whatever.. He makes a phonecall sign mildly while throwing the horns.. It was a family concert? Well didn't look like one..


 






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sorry if this is unrelated and breaking the um how would I say flow of connected replies to a certain topic over bts but does anyone see any similarities between girlgroup Loona and bts? And also have loona been sold out? they seem like lovely girls :( they also don't seem to be altering their hair much so that means no mk ultra?
 






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Can you give some points about the aspects in natal chart for one to practice this stuff?
As for bt5 members' charts, @Dove28 did their readings individually and as a group.They even did one on bigshit's boss as well.:)

You talked about astral projection.I have few questions.How does the environment look like?Is it the same place as one has slept?Can one see the dead or any creatures?I'm thinking more on the lines of the portal scene in the movie 'poltergeist'.
And is it true that empaths have near death experiences and out of body experiences and an increase in their abilities after that?
Also,about magic ,there is this quote,
"Any technology far advanced beyond our understanding will be considered magic."
What will be your take on this?

I'm sorry if I'm bothering you but,you seem to know a lot about occult stuff and I would like to know your views.Again,I'm sorry if I'm bothering you.-_-'
i asked her to do a reading of jn and th in dms, i can copy and paste her readings if you want :)
sorry if this is unrelated and breaking the um how would I say flow of connected replies to a certain topic over bts but does anyone see any similarities between girlgroup Loona and bts? And also have loona been sold out? they seem like lovely girls :( they also don't seem to be altering their hair much so that means no mk ultra?
theyre definetly sellouts even if they dont seem like one, and i remember an image for their comeback that showed them wearing butterfly wings, butterfly = mk ultra
You guys,I just found this article about fake followers on social media like instagram on this thread.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/celebrities-with-most-fake-instagram-followers.6115/

Anyway,it mentions that bt5 has the 2nd most fake followers with around 48%
"Celebrities such as Ellen DeGeneres, BTS and Kim Kardashian have had their Instagram and Twitter accounts examined by ICMP for fake followers.
The investigation shows that Ellen DeGeneres has the highest amount of fake followers in the showbiz celebrity category, with 58% of her Instagram followers being fake. BTS came second with 48% and Kourtney Kardashian came third with 46% — the percentage being respective to the number of fake followers they have to their total follow count....."

source
icmp fake followers chart

Comments are hilarious,saying that thanos snapped and that it is all an illusion.:p

Fam,we been knew.:D
in my country, lots of people thinks bt$ is a joke (except for annoying kpopers) we call them along with other korean idols "plastik" it means plastic, which refers to plastic surgery and how fake their faces are, and for me, not only their faces are fake but their entire purpose in life is to be a fake person, haha sometimes i love my country for this :D anyways, yeah i guess we could say their followers are also plastic haha, cold hard shiny fake plastic.
 






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Thank you both so much :( I admit I did follow them for a while and I was so in love with the members and thought they were so. Incapable of partaking in this occult nonsense but I guess I'll stop underestimating the capabilities of people to be evil regardless of how innocent and sweet they may be presented
 






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I love your country just by hearing from you.Seems like a fun place.And a place for truth.:D
Yes,do post those readings of members,if you can.:)



Yes,they got sold out.Their whole l00na world concept with those weird headpieces and moon worship screams of occult symbolism and rituals.
Just like @wow said,they do have that monarch symbolic butterfly photoshoot.
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And get this,on feb 25,2019,loona's leader haseul lost her grandmother on mother side.And that's around their new promotion activities and release of a repackaged album or something.This screams of a sacrifice,in my opinion.
And on may,10,2019,it was announced that haseul will be taking a hiatus from group activities due to personal reasons.This sounded like breakdown of programming from guilt of a sacrifice.
For female celebs,the concept of purity and virg1nity is held with utmost importance.And their purity is promoted with hair colours besides the programming to parade to sponsors.A female turns hair pink when she was offered for the first time or so.And once she's gone blonde,usually she'll be completely programmed and doesn't break much out of it.So,maybe they don't change hair colours that much.
But,in a big group,there will usually be a blonde one at any time.They will be the designated kitten for the group a la marilyn monroe.
Just an opinion.:)
There's a member named choerry that has pink hair and one named jinsoul with blonde hair....
http://instagr.am/p/ByvdFxtlLyc/ http://instagr.am/p/B1CsyD3FXnx/
 






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ok so i asked the user @LukeMaru to give me a reading about jn and th, although i dont trust astrology at all since it is forbidden in my religion, its kinda interesting to hear astrology's point of view towards a person and such, but do take this as a grain of salt since astrology is also linked to the occult and all its madness so these are obviously not facts and they could be totally wrong, but here you go :

jn :

Out of all the members he is (in my opinion) third in how different he is from what he shows, it was in my impression and his chart further supports this by showing that three of his personal planets are in more "serious" signs: Mercury (mind, comunication) is in Scorpio, Venus (love, femenine energy, harmony) in Capricorn and Mars (anger, sex, masculine energy) in Cancer (this is definitely an emotional placement).

I don't know how much you know about astrology but I assume you have an idea about characteristic traits of the signs, otherwise, these placements are very easy to read about with a quick search in Google so I'll try to keep it simple and if you desire, you can further research.

His Aries moon (emotions) while it may give him a childish air, shows too that his emotional support (family) was probably a battle ground. If my guesses about his birth hour are right, then his moon would be in his first house which would mean he is more sensible than he lets on, he easily gets affected even if he doesn't show it.

He'd also have Pluto in the 8th, if you remember about what I said in my last post, I mentioned that houses explain where is an energy expressed... This in particular is a powerful position which grands occult gifts, dark in nature... The 8th house itself is the house of life, death, sex adn dark matters... This placement indicates danger if this person is involved in the dark since he could lose everything. Mercury would be in the 8th too so his mind is definitely attracted towards the occult and he's good at keeping secrets, will easily lie to hide them and show a fake image.

But also both his Mercury and Pluto would square his Chiron. Then his mind (Mercury) cannot be at peace because of Chiron (pain, hurt, wounds) influence, probably anxiety, freaking out on the inside about everything said and done, feeling dumb and misunderstood. Pluto gives a tendecy to intensify and destroy so Pluto square Chiron is not an easy aspect, probably a lot of trauma and pain, not for the faint hearted.

Even more, his Chiron is in Leo, so his wound is in his ego, his self-expression, self-love... If you search for this position you'll easily find things like need for validation, attention and approval, presenting a false front, feeling that their talents have been overlooked, like they never got the chance to shine, or maybe they feel awkward or untalented. I think this is why he often mentions and really grabs on the "worldwide handsome" tittle so strongly, like it is the only thing that he's got left.

A bit more insight in his Chiron would be the house position it is in... Again, if we go by the supposed birth time I'm using then it would fall in his 6th house. With his adversed natal Chiron in this position, he's probably been forced to follow his parents' orders, after taking into account these past aspects it really shows that there may be some sort of contract his parents have to pay and him having an involment in it... I really believe he could be born in the occult because of this, him being a sacrifice from his parents.

Mercury and Pluto are in conjunction in the sign of Scorpio, if you search for this aspect, Mercury affliced by Pluto hints at possibilities of obsessive or manipulative behaviors... In extreme situations this aspect can create stalkers and abnormally obsessed minds.

Another bad placement is his Lilith, it would fall in the 12th... Just like Hoseok's (if my guesses of birth time are accurate once again), this gives a lot ot fears, phobias (he seems very skittish when someone moves suddenly), it indicates involvement with the dark... This could be a sign of r*pe/sexual abuse/power abuse...
th :

Starting now with Kim Taehyung... Grab your seat because I do have quite a lot to say hahaha Had to divide this in two parts, so I'll begin talking about placements that can be seen without a precise birth hour... That'd be the first part

Capricorn Sun, no secret, you can easily find descriptions on internet... But he not only has Sun (Ego) in Capricorn but also Mercury, Mars, Neptune and Uranus. In very general lines I already said what Mercury and Mars entails (with Seokjin), Neptune is all about Spirituality, the extrasensory, daydreaming and illusions, Uranus all about that genious streak, about flexibility, intellect on a higher level than Mercury and originality. So, he's got a big enfasis in Capricorn indeed...


Capricorn is ruled by the planet Saturn, and just like it, rules the 10th house, which is all about the public image and how others perceive it. People of this Sun sign are drawn towards establishing a good career path, through which they will be recognized and even admired. The 10th house rules one’s profession, and especially those types of occupations where a person is not a simple employee, Cap people are definitely not happy until they’re at the top of the social ladder, no matter what it takes.

Saturn also rules restrictions, order, control, authority, structure, conservatism, family. Makes sense as to why he's so attached to his family even when he was raised by his grandparents, he's still a filial son and he has quite conservative idealistic thoughts (5 children, marriage and all that stuff).

Earth people in general, as in, people with a lot of enfasis in that element so not only talking about Sun sign, usually are more materialistic than others and prefer logic rather than emotion. So, just with this you can tell that his playful persona is not exactly correct and he presents himself on a very different way that what goes inside... It makes sense, this sign is very private, they think it is easier to hide their emotions and thoughts by themselves because they are actually scared of others opinions of them. They dislike being misunderstood and not only hate feeling inadequate but it takes a huge toll on them, it pains them even if they try to play it off.

The worst part is that he's kind of stuck in this "dumb blonde" position because it sells and it goes with the image BigHit wants for them, each of them has a persona and Taehyung has to play the part but he is by no means naive. Sure he can act childish, he can be childish to some extent, his moon is in Aries after all but he's also a lot smarter and colder than what he shows. And maybe that's also why he's not as close to his groupmates as fans would like to think, they are always putting him down somehow, sometimes consciously and sometimes unconsciously, joking about him, laughing of him and it does hurt him but he's so insecure of his own voice (as in, how to express himself) that I can see the others just laughing it off and not really grasping how much it affects him.

But he got tired, he 'grew', and most definitely not in a healthy, positive way... I could see him being petty and jealous towards the others, I can see him shitting on BigHit and their ways but I also do think he was not always like this, he just got stuck in the wrong place and got contaminated in the way. The death of important people to him, he’s become more and more guarded and dare I say? Cynical? Resentful? Anyone with two eyes can tell he’s changed from when he was younger and as time goes by I see him more as a business man instead of an innocent young boy.

I'll also cite some bits from a web page:

"An adversely aspected Sun may indicate that the father is too controlling and serious, inducing fear to the ones below him. Also, he might be sentimentally cold to the child, not giving him enough tenderness and care. Another pattern that appears frequently with bad aspects, is the father being very strict and even punishing the child a lot, which is connected with the restrictive traits of Saturn."

With only planets, there are not bad aspects but planets are not all and some of the most painful aspects come from things like Lilith and Chiron just like I told you in Seokjin's reading, but I'll leave this for later with the supposed birth time to make a fuller description.

On another note, I'll cite

"Curiously enough, the sign of Capricorn is strongly connected to the occult, which definitely is a little bit beyond common logic. The first reason is that Saturn is the most karmic planet, connected to previous lives. Thus, the sign is bearing its occult energies, which can many times manifest in the native’s reality. The second reason is that Saturn rules the structure of material, and thus also its transformation. Alchemy and magic are at least partly ruled by Saturn and Capricorn – at least at their symbolic level. We should not forget that Capricorn is also strongly connected with the archetype of the goat, god Pan and eventually the Devil as described in Christianity. The reasons behind it are hidden deep in time and in our collective unconscious, but the echoes of these manifestations can be still observed in the folklore traditions of many nations. Keep in your mind that any negative traits attributed to the goat-like deities are probably connected with the negative characteristics of Capricorn and Saturn (excessive control, restriction, torture, punishment, and pain). The positive traits can mostly be observed in the archetype of Greek God Pan, a strongly positive power of fertility and nature, protector of the herds and shepherds, who was helping those who showed physical labor in their natural surrounding "

It's a bit funny because people don't usually expect this but Capricorn is associated with things like farming, gardening and other forms of physical labor, he did say he would've been a farmer and with so many personal planets in the sign it's no wonder his family has something with it. But going into more serious matters, just by reading these I wouldn't be weirded out if he was indeed born in the occult or sold into it since he himself said his original plan was to be a farmer not a famous idol… As far as I know, the company was so insistent that they called his parents so what was it really behind the scenes? If any of these are the case I pity him because he may have gotten himself deeper in it trying to please his family and because of his own dreams and ambitions who now might rot along with himself because of the dark.

I may not like who he’s becoming nowadays, his attitude and nature, there’s malice in him… But when I read his chart and compare with years prior I just dare to say he’s a product of his circumstances. It makes sense to paint him as a devil but also as one who wants to be rescued, he’s a lot more hurt than he lets on, a lot more intelligent and a lot more sacrificing.

Taehyung's Moon is in Aries just like Seokjin's, you can search more about this placement (and any other) in internet, you will find a lot of info but I'll go to the point about the bad and the dirty, in his moon it's the fact that is heavily and badly aspected: It squares his Mercury, Mars and Neptune. Not only that but it's also opposite his North Node and Chiron (these two are to be explained more latter).

I'll cite: "An adversely aspected Moon may indicate that the mother has problems with her temper, or even are very narrow-minded. In extreme cases, bad aspects give a mother with violent outbursts or even physically abusive, who exercises dominance and control using sharp words, verbal attacks or even physical ones."

So, not only that, his emotions (Moon), in conflict with his Mercury (communication), then would it be that weird that he really has difficulties talking about his feelings? Once again, you can search for more of these aspects and reach your own conclusions.

His Venus is in Aquarius, I really enjoy this placements because it really shows… His quirkiness and strong Aquarian vibes are all because of this. His Aquarian Venus is a singleton in his chart, a singleton happens when a planet is the only one in a certain element/mode in, in his case, the only fixed planet he has! So even if he has only one Aquarius position, it’s a very strong energy that helps him build his persona… It shows on him, how he’s so conservative in some things but so non-traditional in others. Also, this position highlights the topics of Venus in him, he’s definitely a Venusian man, meaning he has a strong inclination towards arts, music and photograpy (bingo!), this is all very important to him and he wants to be taken seriously in these areas.

Also, Aquarius, the sign of friendship! He loves being social, he’s flirty and loves foreign cultures, music, traveling… That’s a lot of what we as the public see!

Now going a bit into his mind, Mercury in Capricorn. This placement is one I like a lot. Capricorn is a very logical sign, coupled with Mercury it makes someone quite good at separating their emotions from their thoughts. He’s difficult to trick but at the same time he’s good at tricking people, if he wants to win a game, he’s pretty able to cheat his way through it. He’s alert even when he doesn’t seem like it, he really sees every detail and he can plan a lot, long-term wise. That’s why I say, he’s by no means naïve! He plays the part because he will do whatever is necessary to please the public! He may have problems expressing himself (will dwelve even more into that later), but his mind is very powerful. He’s ambitious.

For the rest of the placements you can find information quite easily so I won’t go on more with them because there’s quite a lot of other stuff I want to share in a second part.


On the second part!

Now, I'll dive into aspects that I see with a supposed birth time, for this one it was both following my guesses and because a while ago another astrologer received some rumored birth times, Taehyung's was one of them and it fit with my main option for his chart so I'll go through with it.

First of all, since as I said before we (as the public), get to see his MC. I inmediatly thought that it had to be something charming, playful, something that the public loves so my first thought was 'this boy has to have a Libra MC'. Libra, ruled by Venus, it involves beauty and arts.

But to have a Libra MC then this usually would mean, having a Capricorn Ascendant since each house has a sign and it has a sequential order... I couldn't see this though... While he does seem very serious when he doesn't smile, he acts rather childish at first when meeting people and his groupmates have commented about his quirkiness even when they met him for the first time so I tried for a while with different times that would still give him a Libra MC hoping to find an intersection (basically when signs repeat altering the normal order) that would make him have a more fitting ASC and oh what a great surprise I found that it IS indeed possible, with two different 'times' and that he would actually end up with a Sagittarius Rising, which in my personal opinion does fit him a whole lot better. Even more shocking, one of the two times actually fits with the rumored birthtime.

Characteristic traits of people with Sag rising would be the optimism, light-hearted explorers, very large circle of friends, outspoken, strong willed, childlike, outgoing and that despite their playful nature they are often seen as intimidating! This people love to laugh, are very very curious and have a lot of faith in themselves and their decisions, flashback to his attitude about wearing glasses and a mullet because he likes it and no one's going to stop him.

There I had one of those 'Eureka' moments to feel joyful for about 5 seconds. As I said before in the post about Hoseok, Ascendants rule the physical appereance and for a Sag rising it does gift the person with some prominents things anyone can notice on Taehyung like elongated limbs, oval face, thick bushy eyebrows, broad forehead, a confident almost arrogant look, large bony beautiful hands and legs, a peculiar and large smile and a slow manner of speech.

Also, people with a Sag rising do tend to exaggerate, they have to learn to moderate themselves and I kind of can see this with his whole Gucci fashion, he likes expensive things and in excess, just as expected of the large and excessive Jupiter (ruler of Sagittarius). Love for foreign cultures, being friendly overall and talkative, insert another flashback to him, not even being able to talk english but still asked to be friends with that married woman in AHL.

Jupiter also rules fat. Yeah, you read me right... Or may I say expansion? Fancy word haha but it's both in a metaphorical and literal sense. So he may be prone to gain weight easily and that when he does it will inmediatly show in his face(because the ascendant focus is the face). And as a kind of fun fact... Just like any male with any other fire sign Ascendant, he may have problems with baldness concerning his hair, and I have a hunch of this because he often hides his forehead plus if you see him when he wears bandanas and stop for a second to actually seize the size of his forehead... Yeah.

And you can read and read more and more and things will just make more and more sense, so yeah, I got quite convinced of this placement. Now that I saw this, then it was a matter of deciding which of the times was more fitting since quite a lot things change. In both cases though he'd have an Stellium or also called Stellia, this is, when a lot of planets (at least 3) are in the same house making it a very important part of his life if not his main focus. With one hour he'd have a 2nd house Stellium and with the other one it'd be a 1st house Stellium... I ended up going for the 2nd house Stellium not only because of the rumored time (that actually fits with this) but because it makes sense to me.

2nd house, the house of possessions, money and material things, it shows how we support the identity we build in the 1st house (Ascendant) thus, planets in this house will tell how the person views their property and how he/she'll go about gaining or losing it. And so far you'll may be a bit dubius about why I'd believe the Stellium to be in this house and not in the 1st one, it's because 2nd house also rules our self worth and confidence. It makes sense though! How do people determine how sucessful they are? Because of clothes, electronics, money in a bank account, it's all about posessions, to some more than others but it's undeniable.

The 2nd house is quite a sensual place, ruled by Taurus and being granted with Venusian qualities it talks about the glamour, the senses and I think this fits quite a bit with Taehyung, again remembering Gucci, right? But not only that, notice that one of his priorities is financial security to the point that he himself said his ideal type is someone that's careful with money and/or will handle his money with care and everyone else was just like 'wut?'.

His Stellium would be formed by Mercury, Venus, Mars, Uranus and Neptune all squished in his 2nd house, this would definitely give him a good chance to 'find' fortune in his life. Not only that, as I said before while reading his planets, 4 out of these 5 are in the sign of Capricorn, his sun is also in Capricorn so it's very obvious his Capricorn dominance but all of this would once again help me support the fact that he is not as childish as he looks, he may have a happy-go-lucky persona, be a bit standoffish but still social and outgoing and playful all you want because that is his external appereance (ASC), his public persona (MC), what the public sees (even wants) and he may tap in his Aries moon to present himself and look natural while at it but he's not an innocent lost little boy.

Capricorn characteristics have quite a reputation, I said it before, Capricorn is cold, calculating, cunning, ambitious, ruled by Saturn himself who is every bit of a cold planet as you can think. This sign has also been associated quite a bit with the devil, it's a goat, the goat that climbs and climbs no matter what obstacles there are. Capricorns are successful, businessmen, leaders, authority, is no secret, they are the pupils of their ruler (Saturn) after all.

Having all these Capricorn planets in such a house just enhances the fact that he'll do whatever is necessary to have the glitz and the fame, this is also one of the reasons why I think he is involved in the occult, maybe he'd really sell his soul to the devil if it meant having the luxury and desires that come with it in this human life even if he later on regrets it.

Another very importan part of his chart is his Saturn, makes sense, being a Capricorn dominant and Saturn the ruler of the sign, makes it a very prevalent force in him so is only common to check this placement and it turns out Saturn is another singleton for him. In the sign of Pisces, it's his only planet in a water sign and just with this we have a lot of information.

Water means emotions in the birth chart, the sensivity too, how we express them, how we feel them, all that can be seen by reading the water houses and signs. Because Taehyung only has one planet in a water sign it shows (in a very concentrated way) how he expresses his emotions but for this planet to turn out to be Saturn is kind of bad news...

Saturn is all about restrictions and limits, I think I've iterated this quite a lot, but having him be his primary way to deal with emotions makes Taehyung have a lot of hardships to express his feelings, if you sum this fact with his highly afflicted moon then it enhances what I said in the first part. Now with a supposed birthtime, it turns out it'd lie in the 4th house, which is a very personal house ruled by Cancer, another very guarded sign. Like a crab, he'll hide himself under a shell because he's insecure of his emotions, terrified of being seen as weak and even his closest friends may not see his fears and insecurities because he's that guarded. He himself admitted that he doesn't reveal his secrets to others.

Saturn would fall in his 3rd house, this brings affliction in his way to communicate (3rd house), maybe he was made fun of by his aquaintances during his childhood or in school, he may have been called stupid because he may have performed academically lower than the rest of his peers... Maybe he was told that his opinions didn't matter and all this makes me think of the fact that he may have been bullied. When he talked about his childhood 'friend' that didn't invite him to his birthday party and all that, I just had the impression that maybe it was a common ocurrence... He made friends with Jang Moonbok while in high school if I'm not wrong and that boy faced a lot of bullying and ridicule himself.

Going back to the aspect, it could also manifest in something like a lisp or some speech difficulty, speaking in a kind of heavy? And slow way? a kind of muffled voice, maybe even a mental blockage too, one that comes from the fear of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time or saying something and end up embarrasing the person...

All of this is shown in Taehyung though, his voice is very unique, he sounds kind of muffled, words kind of slurred and he stumbles a lot over his own words... If he tries to talk faster then he ends up repeating the same word like 20 times in a minute, interrupt his own sentences and overall making it a bit hard to understand him. His 'famous' alien languageand another reason to call him 'dumb' even when he's not. It's something others, even his own groupmates make fun of, but his chart shows it's a real insecurity and hardship he deals with...

I've seen more than some gifs in which he limits himself from talking because 'I'm not good at speaking' in a kind of defeated way, how he gets quite in interviews... But Saturn in this house also helps him solve many problems because there's structure and logic, throughness over speed.

All of these still don't sound that bad, right? Not really, they're traits and explanaitions for them just like any one has their ups and downs but getting into darker matters there's his Pluto. For him, his Pluto would fall in the 12th house, the most karmic powerful house. This house is literally about the subconscius, the things we hide, trauma, suppressed emotions.

This guy has a lot of secrets, things he would't tell a soul not only because they overwhelm him but also because he suppresses such intense things. This may also be a telling sign that he prefers hiding himself, work behing the scenes and influence things secretly... It may give him physic powers and a natural interest in the occult. I've seen people talking about his aura being indigo and it makes sense with this position.

Scapism is a thing with this position, unhealthy coping habits, self-destructive, suicidal, paranoid, fear of death is a very hard aspect to live with and overcome in a positive way... Even more, his 12th house is in Scorpio, so Pluto in there can bring a lot of his violent nature into the sexual realm, may experience some kind og sexual assault, even r*pe, if he is involved in the occult then it wouldn't be weird. Also, with this placement, it facilitates re-programming his subconscious but since he has such strong emotions then he would need constant re-programming, just now they changed his hair color to blue, right? And he's been the one to change hair colors the most, not by coincidence.

He'll have or already has quite a few hidden enemies too, since this house rules them, they may turn to black magic against him...

His Chiron would fall in the 10th house so his unhealed wound is found in his career path, in the authority figure of his home, not only that, it is square to his Sun (Ego), in opposition to his Moon (emotions) and Square his Lilith (which to makes matters worse is in the 7th).

Just with Chiron in his 10th could indicate is rejection by the father or the parent which has more authority in the family, but with Chiron aspecting adversely his Sun (who also represents the father) then I have no doubt that his father made him constantly feel unworthy and insecure, no matter what Taehyung did to be accepted, he was diminished in front of the eyes of other people but even with this he still thinks his parent's opinion is correct and has convinced himself of his unworthiness compared to his father.

With Chiron square the Sun we can say that his father was/is a great source of pain and that pain was likely buried, Taehyung may even blame himself because he could not make the relationship with his father turn out better. But also Chiron opposite his moon shows a wound with his mother, maybe she rejected him, there is something in the relationship that wounded him deeply and made him feel like he hasn't been fully supported emotionally... He may fear abandonment, rejection and intimacy. It's no wonder he was so close with his grandmother instead.

Some other things that I found interesting while reading about what other people point out of this aspect is: Wearing your heart on your sleeve. Getting hurt by the ones you love- especially family members. Reluctance to admit that you have feelings. Pretending to be stone cold while leaving a trail of blood behind you. Emotional reflexes. Individualistic behavior patterns. Deviating from family behavior patterns. Deviating from accepted emotional responses. Deviating from normal emotional expression and expectations. Nonconformist behavior. Empathy for the wounded and for people on the fringes of society. Freaky behavior. Oddball reactions. A natural radical. Emotional intelligence.

Now onto his Lilith in the 7th, the house of interpersonal relationships/marriage will be severly affected by this placement... It'll make him have a need to search for someone 'darker' than him, opening his life to people that may harm him since the 7th house also rules 'open' enemies. On more 'romantic' matters there's a big chance it'll bring him pain because his lilith is badly aspected (opposite his sun and square his chiron), divorce, fights, ex-lovers turning into enemies.

He's got a lot of aspects with his North Node too, mostly negative too... Squares and opositions, so there's so much karmic energy going on his chart that it tires me, to be honest... If you believe in other lifes, he may have lived quite a bit but his purpose in this life is heavly blocked, he'll have to overcome many many things that we'll probably never know.

All in all he's got a lot of placements that indicate pain, suffering and involvement with the occult, his luck is one of a kind, he may achieve a lot but may also loose as much whether in the same plane or another but he's kind of a masochist simply because he's still very much attracted to all that is bad to him. I personally don't think he'll be sacrificed since he is very powerful (in an spiritual sense) but he'll face a lot of hardships and bring pain to the people that surround him.

tell me what you think guys !
 






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It is said that that the offer of artists happens when they have purple for the first time.
When the artist has pink for the first time,it is to signal that they have lost their virg1nity.And the blonde is to signal the completion of their programming/transformation. From then on,whenever they have these colours it is used as a code for the alter.Pink=se* and child alter.
Blonde=complete kitten.
And complete purple hair is never done again(only small purple/light purple highlights or something,never full) unless they are participating in rituals and they are higher in the hierarchy,which takes quite a while for them to attain.So,after a few years,perhaps.I hope I'm explaining fine.:)
Since I've only just recently discovered this hair colour business, I'm a little bit confused. Does this hair colour coding apply to Korean artists only? Cause I'm aware that mk ultra programming is being done in the Western world for sure, but the victims never seem to change their hair colour this way, and def. not as frequently. Thanks.
 






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Since I've only just recently discovered this hair colour business, I'm a little bit confused. Does this hair colour coding apply to Korean artists only? Cause I'm aware that mk ultra programming is being done in the Western world for sure, but the victims never seem to change their hair colour this way, and def. not as frequently. Thanks.
nope, westerns also do hair coding too, theres a lot of western artists that goes blonde or pink, so this color coding does not apply only for kpop :)
 






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Hello..I've been following this thread for a while now. I even made an acc to discuss with you guys hehe

But this place is full of negativity and it does not come from BTS. What do you want to achive with this? I thought this is a thread to exchange some thoughts / opinions with each other but...do some people in here even like them? What exactly is the point of all this when some people here just hate them and are disrespectful towards them? It doesn't matter what they did - I mean at least it shouldn't affect how you talk and behave! If you don't like someone don't waste your time with them..

do some people in here even like them?

no, most of us want them to disband and dissapear so they can stop spreading their agenda

It doesn't matter what they did

yes, it matters. every action has consequences

If you don't like someone don't waste your time with them.


The point of the site and the forum is discussing the symbols and the agenda these people push.. this is not a forum exclusive to "fans"....you will find that most people here dislike the celebrities being discussed
 






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no that's not what I meant actually. I mean if you do not like someone wether they're in Illuminati or just a guy in neighbourhood, why do you waste so much of your energy thinking abou them and analyzing them? For example I don't like Beyoncé, yes she's one of the most evil ones out of the Illuminati but I still don't keep seeking evidence. Because if you would surround yourself with so much negativity, your just feeding the devil even more. It's also about the energy you set free with your actions
its never a bad thing to seek the truth, especially in times like these, everything is a lie and only a few people who knows the truth, and if youre not happy with that then get out... you came here saying "i want to discuss" yet you dont like what we are doing and your first post doesnt even make any sense to your statement "i made an acc to discuss and share with you guys heehee :D" , what are you doing here really? what do you gain from asking these questions? what do you want to hear from us? and tbh idc if they ever feed off our negative energy because i know those energies they had gathered are just for them to sin more and they will be punished for that anyways. stonks.
 






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First I think we all want the same thing. The Illuminati/ deep state needs to get exposed. And it will. I want to discuss yes but I get the feeling that most people here just hate them. I mean things like "they're all plastic" or "btshit" like.. what? How does this even have anything to do with anything said in here? This is what I don't like. It's just inmature and hateful.
Actually I wanted to hear that people still have some empathy, forgiveness and love 'cause in my opinion it's not BTS's fault why they have to do what they do and hating them won't change anything. I grew up spiritual and I learnt that no matter what someone did, you have to forgive and understand them at some point.
But most of you just want them to disband or "worse" I think..?
get out.
 






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First I think we all want the same thing. The Illuminati/ deep state needs to get exposed. And it will. I want to discuss yes but I get the feeling that most people here just hate them. I mean things like "they're all plastic" or "btshit" like.. what? How does this even have anything to do with anything said in here? This is what I don't like. It's just inmature and hateful.
Actually I wanted to hear that people still have some empathy, forgiveness and love 'cause in my opinion it's not BTS's fault why they have to do what they do and hating them won't change anything. I grew up spiritual and I learnt that no matter what someone did, you have to forgive and understand them at some point.
But most of you just want them to disband or "worse" I think..?
I believe you are confused, this is not a fan thread for those who are concerned about ”the boys”, it is a conspiracy theory website after all. Discussing things like their plastic surgery is not hate, it is just stating basic facts. Some people may be quite harsh in their comments about them and is their personal opinion. Others simply state facts and speculations or what I personally find to be absurd theories. I believe they openly spread an evil agenda to the youth with solid proof, so I don’t have a high opinion of them. What happens behind the scenes is purely speculative, but people still like to discuss. So if it bothers you, I recommend you don’t stay herre
 






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Tae always leaves references to movies he likes and asks people to watch it . ...
So remember when at colbert show.. He said I'm a good boy..

Pockets of the future just made a video on a movie names good boys .

And i just remembered the good boy of beetees.. Tae...
Watch the trailer.. It's disgusting... It is an age restricted movie having little boys who are not allowed to watch their own movie... Because they're under 17 but they playing the parts.. And i am so angry at the comments.. How can poeple find this hilarious.. It's disgusting..



Their good boy and asparagus went side by side during those days..

He's trying to call some dem0n or whatever.. He makes a phonecall sign mildly while throwing the horns.. It was a family concert? Well didn't look like one..


Ew, what in the absolute heck is that?? Well I know about the movies and it has demonic power inside it, then again it's not surprising. Ew though.
 






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noo I know it's not a fan thread and yes I also understand when people cannot show understanding for someone who would (did) sacrifice others for money and fame and yes I am confused...

I don't know how to differentiate people who want to sacrifice others for their own wealth/ fame and people who have to sacrifice others.
We cannot know if they want to spread the message but we know they have to or else they get killed. Sorry, they will have a "car accident". So what if they do not sacrifice other people because they want so but they have to cooperate and serve others? How can I know the difference?
I am so confused rn. Did you come here to discuss, or just tell us that what we're doing is wrong? You do know that as long as all of us are alive, we may continue to expose them right? The majority of everything they do, we will discuss and ofc share our opinions about it. We will DEFINITELY (as far as I know) talk about it in THESE times especially when 2020 comes, because there may be a certain event happening, we're not sure if it's completely true (Well I mean, I don't) but if that event happens, that's just gonna cause us to talk about them more. Now I'm sure after this event happens.. (If it will) more people will most likely come on this thread and we will have no problem telling them everything. That's the point of this thread, correct me if I'm wrong fellow members.

Now, regarding THEM, what would you like to know? So far, you've been saying you wanted to discuss, then you went against it, now you're asking questions that's all over the place, but I'll be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.
 






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I am so confused rn. Did you come here to discuss, or just tell us that what we're doing is wrong? You do know that as long as all of us are alive, we may continue to expose them right? The majority of everything they do, we will discuss and ofc share our opinions about it. We will DEFINITELY (as far as I know) talk about it in THESE times especially when 2020 comes, because there may be a certain event happening, we're not sure if it's completely true (Well I mean, I don't) but if that event happens, that's just gonna cause us to talk about them more. Now I'm sure after this event happens.. (If it will) more people will most likely come on this thread and we will have no problem telling them everything. That's the point of this thread, correct me if I'm wrong fellow members.

Now, regarding THEM, what would you like to know? So far, you've been saying you wanted to discuss, then you went against it, now you're asking questions that's all over the place, but I'll be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.
I seriously can't imagine what chaos it would cause if it were to happen (I'm almost certain it will, but I'm not sure it'll be 2020). If it eventually does, I just really hope people can find this thread and actually understand that the signs had been there all along.
 






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