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You know what, these situation reminds me a lot of Silicon Valley crazy sex parties. Most of the people involved there, especially women have said to have done nasty things to get where they are. Basically talent can't get you far in life.

There are some serious drug problems and out of control orgies. Real business and deals that open doors are made if the CEOs like the sex. Most of employers and CEOs are exes or hook ups with each other. So its not a new phenomenon. Its just Americans are pretty much straight forward about it and don't like to act like they are innocent, they consider it a "lifestyle choice". I read this great article some time before, if any one is interested :

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/brotopia-silicon-valley-secretive-orgiastic-inner-sanctum

Meanwhile what bothers me a lot is that Korea is taking innocence on another level, exploiting children for the sake of it. Not @ how YG is acting like a p***phile, but you need to check the 0:51 moment :
 






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You know what, these situation reminds me a lot of Silicon Valley crazy sex parties. Most of the people involved there, especially women have said to have done nasty things to get where they are. Basically talent can't get you far in life.

There are some serious drug problems and out of control orgies. Real business and deals that open doors are made if the CEOs like the sex. Most of employers and CEOs are exes or hook ups with each other. So its not a new phenomenon. Its just Americans are pretty much straight forward about it and don't like to act like they are innocent, they consider it a "lifestyle choice". I read this great article some time before, if any one is interested :

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/brotopia-silicon-valley-secretive-orgiastic-inner-sanctum

Meanwhile what bothers me a lot is that Korea is taking innocence on another level, exploiting children for the sake of it. Not @ how YG is acting like a p***phile, but you need to check the 0:51 moment :
Eww ... and I don't find it adorable when young kids are doing mature dances (no idea if the lyrics are mature, but I assume they are too). It reminds me of those child beauty pageants (like Honey Boo Boo and JonBenet Ramsey did). All of this type of thing is catering to pedos. Who (except their parents) really want to listen to little kids sing? Would anyone pay to go to a concert of little girls singing like this?
 






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Eww ... and I don't find it adorable when young kids are doing mature dances (no idea if the lyrics are mature, but I assume they are too). It reminds me of those child beauty pageants (like Honey Boo Boo and JonBenet Ramsey did). All of this type of thing is catering to pedos. Who (except their parents) really want to listen to little kids sing? Would anyone pay to go to a concert of little girls singing like this?
Parents of this generation are THAT brainwashed, that's why. They want to give children the freedom to experiment with things, cause ya know we live in "capitalism", but they forget they are taking their childhood from them. It's sad. One of the many reasons I think I'll stay childless for the rest of my days.
 






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Parents of this generation are THAT brainwashed, that's why. They want to give children the freedom to experiment with things, cause ya know we live in "capitalism", but they forget they are taking their childhood from them. It's sad. One of the many reasons I think I'll stay childless for the rest of my days.
I don't know if it is just a case of parents being permissive. It seems to me that a lot of this is based on the narcissism and/or greed of parents. Like the whole mindset of children being your "mini me". I never wanted my daughter to be a small version of myself because I wanted her to be her own person. Even if sometimes we butt heads because we are different. I don't like the idea of kids being basically trained monkeys put on display for entertainment purposes. And really, that is what kpop idols, Disney stars, and the like are -- they are pretty much like those trained dogs and cats performing at the circus. (Which makes me think of TXT's cat and dog song.) It is sad really. And for what? A few dollars now and a lifetime of drug problems/mental illness down the road once they've been used and discarded.
 






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There would always be parents that would use their kids as a source of income. It's not different from parents submitting their kids to the entertainment industry and turning blind eye to abuse. A parent would know when something is off. Like in the MJ documentary (doesn't matter if I think I did it) - which parent in his right mind would allow a 9 year old share a bed with a grown man. Oh but it's fine if you're taken to luxurious trips and showered with gifts. Those parents judgmental skills are corrupted or non existent or even worse- they knowingly allow it. But it doesnt mean all parents are bad. Most of parents are not bad , at least not intentionally. I wouldn't let my kids to pursue any kind of showbiz activity, as they can never be 100% supervised at all times.
 






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Do you have to link for the attachments?
I never saw those specifically but there are a lot of "sasaeng leakings" flowing around twitter and Instagram with a lot of info, most fake. One thing that seem to be repetitive on the leaks is the boys having prostitutes coming over their hotels while traveling (which is quite believable and was brought here many times as well)
 






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I must agree with you, but some part of me still feel offended. I'm an asian and "cute" culture affected me a lot. I'm not saying all asian tend that way but, knowing they're from s.korea. i think, in their eyes it's pretty much "normal" behavior.

There might be a lot of culture gaps between us/europe and asian especially eastern part of asia or europe. Please bear that most of asian women prefer "beautiful" boy to be idolize, but manlier man to be married.
 






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Some of their fans, though, are pretty young. I don't think you can fault younger girls for having that fantasy. They aren't ready to think about stuff like that and they definitely aren't ready for pictures like those alleged to be Jimin. Older teens / adult fans should know better and, honestly, I doubt that many of them would be shocked to find out that they were sleeping around.

I don' think that fans assuming that they are chaste is any worse than the fans who are shipping them. People project their own fantasies on these idols. The innocent fans choose an innocent fantasy and the more mature fans choose sexual fantasies. None of it really has anything to do with the reality of the idols themselves. It is a one-sided fan fantasy. BTS just plays to all those fantasies. It is a marketing strategy.
Not really. I know plenty of women in their 20s who really belive korean men are different, more loyal, romantic, better. And the fact that so many women going in to sk for bf or husband from all over the world thinking they will get somebody close to idols in terms of characters us telling a lot. One of my friend is living there right now, majority of ADULT women come there with this fantasy bubble and it get it brust quickly. This is all korean media propaganda. Even those who have more realistic view on life still think they are more inncocent which is not true. The majority of their adult fans who are not interested in conspiracy still think they are purer and nicer in general than any anerican or other celebs. The kpop is not that good as a music, there a lot of attractive people in any country, their "innocence" is the main attraction factor for majority of people and it is false

Even people here admitted they fell for bts because they were attracted to their characters and wanted to belive it is real and as we found out previously in this thread most of users here are not 12 years olds
So it is fair to say this is working
 






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Hard to say how real it is, it might be all made up. A little of those obsessive fans info and screenshots
I personally belive in arrogant Jin and that kj is opposite of innocent. If it's true, maybe this will help you to not feel sad for the poor little boys
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yo those are some good freaking tea ! though i dont believe some of them, the jik00k one is maybe true, jin being arrogant could also be true cause tbh theyre all arrogant, the jm amd je0ngye0n could be true (?) th one made me crack up not gonna lie, its so unrealistic cause he was rich before so it couldnt be true, and for fuckbuddies, yes, definetly true.

though its weird that only maknae line is exposed, theres no exposure of hyung line (except jin but its not that big of a deal) and we thought that theyre gay but theyre also thirsty for girls? bruh so its best that we leave the assumptions and rumours aside, we dont know if its true.
 






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Saesang info leaked is never reliable, for one they would make anything up for money, remember it is a business. Another thing is liability issues: they could never release sensitive info that is true publicly- they could get sued. Bugshit even threatened online anonymous commenters in SK against malicious comments by tracking down IP info.

Some of them: JK and JM have a high security apartment (one would assume that means sound proof as well) but somehow neighbors can hear their moans? That is not Jimin in the pic. TH robbed a house? LOL. Some rumours are more believable because they are made based in what the idols present themselves or publicized scandals. For eg Suga is depressed and alcoholic. Idols procuring prostitutes, well so far several idols have been busted for it, although not by saesangs but by professional journalists. Jimin sleeps with a lot of girls because he is very flirtatious. The Jimin one is probably true but I would change girls to men, he does indeed hit on men 24/7. I feel sorry for the trainees and staff at their company. Imagine being slightly good looking, Jimin is not going to leave you alone. I also think he and Jk have done stuff together, their actions on cam are gross and overly sexual, but they seem to love the attention.

 






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Is it just that company? Now the members must be taking their percentage out of the total money too so everybody wants to earn more money. When you have to pay 7 members and the milk is not enough each time? It's not like they are doing this stuff out of good heart. They are in just for the money and fame. And also they must be feeling this is it. This is as much as we ever going to earn so go all the way in doing everything possible. Those cameramen during the tour were there for this reason, I knew from the begining they were going to do another tour movie.

Some of their fans, though, are pretty young. I don't think you can fault younger girls for having that fantasy. They aren't ready to think about stuff like that and they definitely aren't ready for pictures like those alleged to be Jimin. Older teens / adult fans should know better and, honestly, I doubt that many of them would be shocked to find out that they were sleeping around.

I don' think that fans assuming that they are chaste is any worse than the fans who are shipping them. People project their own fantasies on these idols. The innocent fans choose an innocent fantasy and the more mature fans choose sexual fantasies. None of it really has anything to do with the reality of the idols themselves. It is a one-sided fan fantasy. BTS just plays to all those fantasies. It is a marketing strategy.
But also this situation causes a lot of girls to become crazy ocd fans who thinks they can be the gf of those guys just by following them like a creepy stalker. By following them in their countries and abroad. I've heard of girls going to sk because of bts And not just for touristic reasons.

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All the girls getting up are fans lol. Feels like they have filled half the airplane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfKGbRQTdIc&t=26s

And at the end maybe the young ones have just innocent thought like "oh they are my babies. my husband" etc. But they are shipping man with man? So isn't that weird? It used to be fans shipping the members with themselves.

You know what, these situation reminds me a lot of Silicon Valley crazy sex parties. Most of the people involved there, especially women have said to have done nasty things to get where they are. Basically talent can't get you far in life.

There are some serious drug problems and out of control orgies. Real business and deals that open doors are made if the CEOs like the sex. Most of employers and CEOs are exes or hook ups with each other. So its not a new phenomenon. Its just Americans are pretty much straight forward about it and don't like to act like they are innocent, they consider it a "lifestyle choice". I read this great article some time before, if any one is interested :

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/brotopia-silicon-valley-secretive-orgiastic-inner-sanctum

Meanwhile what bothers me a lot is that Korea is taking innocence on another level, exploiting children for the sake of it. Not @ how YG is acting like a p***phile, but you need to check the 0:51 moment :
This must be the new trend and its not a surpise since to get ahead in the kpop game parents are training their child to get in those companies. And now they must be trying to showcase them right away. A person in this forum talked about that the people want to add "P" to the rainbow and you know what it stands for.

Parents of this generation are THAT brainwashed, that's why. They want to give children the freedom to experiment with things, cause ya know we live in "capitalism", but they forget they are taking their childhood from them. It's sad. One of the many reasons I think I'll stay childless for the rest of my days.
More like they love money more than their kids. Doing everything for money equals the religion of many today, which is materialism.

Not really. I know plenty of women in their 20s who really belive korean men are different, more loyal, romantic, better. And the fact that so many women going in to sk for bf or husband from all over the world thinking they will get somebody close to idols in terms of characters us telling a lot. One of my friend is living there right now, majority of ADULT women come there with this fantasy bubble and it get it brust quickly. This is all korean media propaganda. Even those who have more realistic view on life still think they are more inncocent which is not true. The majority of their adult fans who are not interested in conspiracy still think they are purer and nicer in general than any anerican or other celebs. The kpop is not that good as a music, there a lot of attractive people in any country, their "innocence" is the main attraction factor for majority of people and it is false

Even people here admitted they fell for bts because they were attracted to their characters and wanted to belive it is real and as we found out previously in this thread most of users here are not 12 years olds
So it is fair to say this is working
We can all see this strategy or soft power is working very well for that country. I see countless girls marring korean men and even conservative girls which normally can't marry people outside their religion. So this makes me wonder are korean woman not willing to get married? Or like in china, india etc there isn't enough woman in that country? Also I heard since the air quality is so bad many koreans are moving to other countries. So those koreabos/wives and husbands are there to fill the gap and make more babies for that country?

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yo those are some good freaking tea ! though i dont believe some of them, the jik00k one is maybe true, jin being arrogant could also be true cause tbh theyre all arrogant, the jm amd je0ngye0n could be true (?) th one made me crack up not gonna lie, its so unrealistic cause he was rich before so it couldnt be true, and for fuckbuddies, yes, definetly true.

though its weird that only maknae line is exposed, theres no exposure of hyung line (except jin but its not that big of a deal) and we thought that theyre gay but theyre also thirsty for girls? bruh so its best that we leave the assumptions and rumours aside, we dont know if its true.
This is exactly why they are acting like that. To mess with your mind into thinking about this stuff. And young girls/kids too are exposed to that behavior. Remember they act 99.99% of the time. The big bros are not that pretty anyways and since they are older they can opt out.

Saesang info leaked is never reliable, for one they would make anything up for money, remember it is a business. Another thing is liability issues: they could never release sensitive info that is true publicly- they could get sued. Bugshit even threatened online anonymous commenters in SK against malicious comments by tracking down IP info.

Some of them: JK and JM have a high security apartment (one would assume that means sound proof as well) but somehow neighbors can hear their moans? That is not Jimin in the pic. TH robbed a house? LOL. Some rumours are more believable because they are made based in what the idols present themselves or publicized scandals. For eg Suga is depressed and alcoholic. Idols procuring prostitutes, well so far several idols have been busted for it, although not by saesangs but by professional journalists. Jimin sleeps with a lot of girls because he is very flirtatious. The Jimin one is probably true but I would change girls to men, he does indeed hit on men 24/7. I feel sorry for the trainees and staff at their company. Imagine being slightly good looking, Jimin is not going to leave you alone. I also think he and Jk have done stuff together, their actions on cam are gross and overly sexual, but they seem to love the attention. What makes them incompatible is the fact the both prefer to be the woman in a relationship. Jimin also speaks with the stereotypical gay lisp.

Jamal has been hitting on kook since their debut days when that kook was only a kid. I also feel like he acted like a brother to him too behind the camera which is mess up. Because imagine someone you look up as a brother or even an older friend hitting on you. And maybe he doesn't mean any of it and this is just what the company expects them to show to the viewers out there, who knows. Back then kook used to keep pushing him out or hitting him hard I think that's how his interest in boxing started. And I remember the members being done with jamal because of his scandalous behavior even during concerts, fan meeting etc.

Right now I don't know anymore what their real relationship are since they are acting all the time. And also I heard there isn't really love between g@ys so they have a lot of different partners. And they end up getting diseases, also depression too because they will never be loved by the same gender it's only you know what they care for. They don't have that peace and happiness that comes when you get married with the opposite gender and have kids.
Maybe that's why they have started getting married and adopt kids or make kids via other people. But they end up divorcing.

This is an example:

"The average age of divorce for same-sex couples in 2016 stood at 40.4 years for men and 38.2 years for women. Unreasonable behavior—such as cheating—was the most common grounds for divorce among all same-sex couples (96%)."

https://qz.com/1105356/ons-same-sex-marriage-and-divorce-data-in-england-and-wales-2014-2016/





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Right now I don't know anymore what their real relationship are since they are acting all the time. And also I heard there isn't really love between g@ys so they have a lot of different partners. And they end up getting diseases, also depression too because they will never be loved by the same gender it's only you know what they care for. They don't have that peace and happiness that comes when you get married with the opposite gender and have kids.
Maybe that's why they have started getting married and adopt kids or make kids via other people. But they end up divorcing.

This is an example:

"The average age of divorce for same-sex couples in 2016 stood at 40.4 years for men and 38.2 years for women. Unreasonable behavior—such as cheating—was the most common grounds for divorce among all same-sex couples (96%)."

https://qz.com/1105356/ons-same-sex-marriage-and-divorce-data-in-england-and-wales-2014-2016/





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Sorry to interrupt in here, but that is a wrong perception of the gay community. Just because they can't have kids and are gay, doesnt make them automatically more promiscuous than straight people. There are perfectly straight couples who cheat on each other, eventhough they have children. A kid wont fix what is already broken, the only fault is on the individual.

I know gay couples with no kids irl, and they have been more loyal and moral to each other than most of my friends' boyfriends who treat them like shit. If the individuals are willing to invest emotionally on a romantic relationship, ANY relationship, gay or not, can be healthy.

The problem with some people is that they dont know what they want from life. They consider sex separated from love and would sleep with anyone as long as they get the D. Then complain why divorces happen.

Well, duh...? Who told you to try every man possible, you whore ? They are no different from any prostitute out there, but that's cause they can't live off a single person. They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance. But that is merely part of an individual's own principles and morals. Some people just have no standards, gay or not.

The fact that the gay divorces are on the rise is because most of them have spent their lives on the closet and can barely mature and make decisions about the right partners, but promiscuity and reckless behaviour is an entirely personal phenomenon.
 






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Sorry to interrupt in here, but that is a wrong perception of the gay community. Just because they can't have kids and are gay, doesnt make them automatically more promiscuous than straight people. There are perfectly straight couples who cheat on each other, eventhough they have children. A kid wont fix what is already broken, the only fault is on the individual.

I know gay couples with no kids irl, and they have been more loyal and moral to each other than most of my friends' boyfriends who treat them like shit. If the individuals are willing to invest emotionally on a romantic relationship, ANY relationship, gay or not, can be healthy.

The problem with some people is that they dont know what they want from life. They consider sex separated from love and would sleep with anyone as long as they get the D. Then complain why divorces happen.

Well, duh...? Who told you to try every man possible, you whore ? They are no different from any prostitute out there, but that's cause they can't live off a single person. They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance. But that is merely part of an individual's own principles and morals. Some people just have no standards, gay or not.

The fact that the gay divorces are on the rise is because most of them have spent their lives on the closet and can barely mature and make decisions about the right partners, but promiscuity and reckless behaviour is an entirely personal phenomenon.
But you said it yourself " They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance." In the other hand straight people are not wired like that. It's just society, peer pressure, movies/shows social media etc that lead people to go that direction. And also a lot of them aren't like that.

I don't have close friends that are like that. So yes maybe this doesn't include all of them but a majority is I feel like. The other day I watched this documentary about this 70 something year old korean guy. He explained it all very clearly.

 






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Right now I don't know anymore what their real relationship are since they are acting all the time. And also I heard there isn't really love between g@ys so they have a lot of different partners. And they end up getting diseases, also depression too because they will never be loved by the same gender it's only you know what they care for. They don't have that peace and happiness that comes when you get married with the opposite gender and have kids.
Maybe that's why they have started getting married and adopt kids or make kids via other people. But they end up divorcing.

This is an example:

"The average age of divorce for same-sex couples in 2016 stood at 40.4 years for men and 38.2 years for women. Unreasonable behavior—such as cheating—was the most common grounds for divorce among all same-sex couples (96%)."

https://qz.com/1105356/ons-same-sex-marriage-and-divorce-data-in-england-and-wales-2014-2016/


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I mean, I don't agree with this statement. But I respect your opinion and your experiences. Personally, I've known some gay couples who were amazing together and so much in love for many, many years. And I've known plenty of straight people on their second, third, fourth marriages ...

BUT let's not start debating whether being gay is okay or not, or acceptable via religious beliefs, because that starts to delve into religious topics. Which I think we try to avoid in this thread in general. Although we do talk about the occult as an exception. I 100% respect everyone's right to practice whatever religion they believe in, provided they aren't hurting others. Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc.
 






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Sorry to interrupt in here, but that is a wrong perception of the gay community. Just because they can't have kids and are gay, doesnt make them automatically more promiscuous than straight people. There are perfectly straight couples who cheat on each other, eventhough they have children. A kid wont fix what is already broken, the only fault is on the individual.

I know gay couples with no kids irl, and they have been more loyal and moral to each other than most of my friends' boyfriends who treat them like shit. If the individuals are willing to invest emotionally on a romantic relationship, ANY relationship, gay or not, can be healthy.

The problem with some people is that they dont know what they want from life. They consider sex separated from love and would sleep with anyone as long as they get the D. Then complain why divorces happen.

Well, duh...? Who told you to try every man possible, you whore ? They are no different from any prostitute out there, but that's cause they can't live off a single person. They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance. But that is merely part of an individual's own principles and morals. Some people just have no standards, gay or not.

The fact that the gay divorces are on the rise is because most of them have spent their lives on the closet and can barely mature and make decisions about the right partners, but promiscuity and reckless behaviour is an entirely personal phenomenon.


I think another reason gay divorces are on the rise is simple because the total number of gay marriages has gone up exponentially in the last 10 years or so. Basically since it started being legalized in more areas of the world. So of course, mathematically speaking, that means there will be more divorces as well.
 






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Sorry to interrupt in here, but that is a wrong perception of the gay community. Just because they can't have kids and are gay, doesnt make them automatically more promiscuous than straight people. There are perfectly straight couples who cheat on each other, eventhough they have children. A kid wont fix what is already broken, the only fault is on the individual.

I know gay couples with no kids irl, and they have been more loyal and moral to each other than most of my friends' boyfriends who treat them like shit. If the individuals are willing to invest emotionally on a romantic relationship, ANY relationship, gay or not, can be healthy.

The problem with some people is that they dont know what they want from life. They consider sex separated from love and would sleep with anyone as long as they get the D. Then complain why divorces happen.

Well, duh...? Who told you to try every man possible, you whore ? They are no different from any prostitute out there, but that's cause they can't live off a single person. They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance. But that is merely part of an individual's own principles and morals. Some people just have no standards, gay or not.

The fact that the gay divorces are on the rise is because most of them have spent their lives on the closet and can barely mature and make decisions about the right partners, but promiscuity and reckless behaviour is an entirely personal phenomenon.
Monogamy in the strictest sense is not as common among gays as it is among heterosexual and lesbian couples. You will find that many of them still indulge in group or anonymous s** despite being in “committed” relationships. Their explanation: S** and romance are two separate things. So cheating is only when you get emotionally and physically involved with someone, not if you have a one night stand, eapecially if your partner is aware of it, even worse you do it together. I have heard too many accounts of gay couples indulging in group s** together as a couple with other men. HIV/STD statistics don’t lie, they are much more prevalent among men who have sex with men regardless pf labels. Receptive anal s** itself is a very risky, it can cause damage to your rectum and transfer a lot of deadly organisms. Just think about how painful it can be to be constipated, let alone have foreign objects inserted in a place meant for defecation. It is simply not anatomically developed for this purpose.

People think that gays don’t care about youth and beauty, but they do in fact and way more than married/coupled straight people. They are men after all and visually stimulated. That is why a lot of them suffer from body dysmorphia and and have an inherent fear of aging. 50% of gay men over 40 are single and have a hard time finding a life time partner because they get shunned by their own community. And many of them, not all tend to be quite bitchy and mean, not only to others but to each other. Depression, suicide and other mental problems are much more common among gay and bisexual men, even in places where gay marriage is legal and celebrated like where I live.
 






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gay men always have their eyes on hot guys, i dont know about you but i dont think gay guys are that loyal to their partners, gay girls are extremely loyal, i can see and feel that, but gay guys have a tendency to drool over other hot guys and always have sexual fantasies with them (but thats from my personal experience) so gay guys are definetly perverted, thats why i dont like gay guys sometimes, but bisexuals or other sexualities doesnt give off that "james charles" vibes (not the thing about him turning straight men to gay, but the thing that he always drool over straight or hot guys and always have sexual fantasies with them and tries to get their attention and flirt with them 24/7), though i know some bisexuals who sometimes gives off that vibes but not as much. gay guys are untrustworthy imo.
 






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But you said it yourself " They are wired to be promiscuous, therefore they cant indulge and enjoy romance." In the other hand straight people are not wired like that. It's just society, peer pressure, movies/shows social media etc that lead people to go that direction. And also a lot of them aren't like that.

I don't have close friends that are like that. So yes maybe this doesn't include all of them but a majority is I feel like. The other day I watched this documentary about this 70 something year old korean guy. He explained it all very clearly.

By "wired to be promiscuous" I meant specific individuals that are just born with that trait. Not the entire group they belong to, its a misunderstanding.

And stop saying straight people arent like that, for God's sake. Straight people are the reason gays and transgenders are alive on the first place. You talk like straight people are angels that haven't fucked all these centuries to give birth to this messed up world we are in today. Who gave birth to all of the prostitutes and studs ? Saint Jesus ?
 






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